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You are here: Home / Science & Technology / Let’s Break It Down

Let’s Break It Down

by John Cole|  May 25, 20139:12 pm| 183 Comments

This post is in: Science & Technology, Blogospheric Navel-Gazing

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Truth:

Going off the grid is always going to fail for me, and there is a reason I have never spent a couple days off the grid. Mind you, I am clear on the concept, I just suck at the execution. Because I grew up in a college town, I’ve been around computers since 1979, when we had teletypes and a Pr!me mainframe with dummy terminals (hello SSTREK and NEWADVENTURE- tell me if you understand what plugh and xyzzy mean) and then robots we worked on as kids, and then we got a couple Apple computers and and spent all our days dealing with Captain Hack and the BBS boards we could access for Warez (Lode runner and Wolfenstein for the win), and I got college credit in COBOL and Fortran 77 at age 12 and of course basic and Pascal (which may make you wonder as I often do- why can’t this dickhead learn how to build his own website?). And then there were RISK on the original mac and the helicopter game I loved but whose name I can not remember, and later on God Wars muds and the circle muds and Myst and finally, at some point in the 90’s, netscape rescued us from fucking Gopher, and well, you probably remember the rest- blogger, tumblr, etc.

Point being, I can not detach. I’m a child of the internet age, and trying to not check my email or voice mail or my blog for four days is unpossible. So you pricks are stuck with me.

Sorry.

Suck it. I am going nowhere. I give up on this “off the grid” facade.

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  1. 1.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 25, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Suck what John? Your big 8″ floppy?

  2. 2.

    PsiFighter37

    May 25, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: I think you mean 5.25″. I don’t recall computers accepting the other size.

  3. 3.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    As usual, about 3 years after your commenters get it.

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    @PsiFighter37: You’re so young.

  5. 5.

    Redshirt

    May 25, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    LOL. Finally some self-awareness! Bravo, John.

  6. 6.

    peej

    May 25, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    @PsiFighter37: They did come in that size. I used to work on a mini-computer that used 8 inch floppies.

  7. 7.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 25, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    That Elastica song always calls for this.

  8. 8.

    Ahasuerus

    May 25, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    tell me if you understand what plugh and xyzzy mean

    Nothing happens here

  9. 9.

    nalbar

    May 25, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Myth Soulblighter for the win!

  10. 10.

    JPL

    May 25, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    haha.. and the point of this post is?????????/
    you love us.. just admit it…

  11. 11.

    PsiFighter37

    May 25, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    @Corner Stone: Well, let’s try to be a little topical. Otherwise we’d be making bad nerd jokes about multi foot-long floppies.

    And besides, isn’t it worth it to irk our gracious blog host with smaller numbers?

  12. 12.

    master c

    May 25, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    wheres the like button?

  13. 13.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    May 25, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    A couple of years ago I dragged my Cromemco out of the basement and sold it to a museum.
    So get off my lawn.
    (shakes cane)

  14. 14.

    Redshirt

    May 25, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    I come from the Internet, ma’am.

  15. 15.

    mai naem

    May 25, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    It’s funny the way you say it John. Like you don’t realize this is your blog and,like, we need to give you permission to not go off the grid.

  16. 16.

    Comradde PhysioProffe

    May 25, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    hahahahahah

  17. 17.

    JPL

    May 25, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Can we have pics of Tunch now, please.

  18. 18.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Cole, yer just a babe compared to me. Sure, you may have leaned how to program COBOL at age 12, but I learned COBOL before you were even born (much less before I learned how to drive) at 14. At Age 16 I severed my finger running a high-speed check sorter at my first job-thankfully, they were able to re-attach it.

    Time to face reality: If you want to really go off the grid, go to Cancun for 5 days and leave yer toys behind. Otherwise, quit yer bitchin’ and furminate Tunch.

  19. 19.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    May 25, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    I go off the grid during daylight hours when I spend all my day in the garden, once the sun goes down I hook up again.

  20. 20.

    Linkmeister

    May 25, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    @PsiFighter37: The IBM S/32, S/34, S/36 and S/38 minicomputer family begs to differ. I managed a S/34 shop for about 9 years starting in 1980.

  21. 21.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Don’t shake it too hard. You might drop it and then break a hip while trying to pick it back up.

  22. 22.

    lamh36

    May 25, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    I zoned out after 1979…how the hell old are u anyway :-D.

    BTW, am I the only one who whenever I read/hear someone say “I just can’t seem to quit you…” I think Bareback Mountain, darn near every time.

  23. 23.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    May 25, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    John, you’re Eastern Standard Tribe so you’re OK with me.

    I’ve gone offline for a month or two at a time. Mostly when my head was in such a bad place I couldn’t stand the negativity everywhere. And couldn’t trust myself to behave ‘around’ the people I like. Therapeutic isolation; sometimes it’s necessary.

  24. 24.

    The Dangerman

    May 25, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Whoever had Saturday at 9pm wins!

  25. 25.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: Cancun? They have internet cafes there. Too easy.

  26. 26.

    Ahasuerus

    May 25, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: A couple of years ago I tried to give my S-100 system to a museum; they refused to take it. So you get off my lawn! (snicker)

  27. 27.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    May 25, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    @Ahasuerus:

    My Cromemco was S100/Z80/CPM. Not all that old. I wish I hadn’t given away my KIM-1 from the mid ’70s. Those are rare and desirable today.

  28. 28.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Good God! What happens when it isn’t floppy? It becomes a 256K hard drive?

  29. 29.

    Yatsuno

    May 25, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    @The Dangerman: Except he posted last night. I don’t think he made it one day.

  30. 30.

    TrishB

    May 25, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    How sad is it that this post is the one thing that has made me literally laugh out loud for the first time in many months. I scared the dogs, too. It was perfect. Oh, and anyone here like Zork?

  31. 31.

    The Dangerman

    May 25, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    Except he posted last night.

    And he posted about Lacrosse and hockey tonight; shit, if you had Saturday at 9pm, um, my bad (kinda like the Dodgers bullpen).

    ETA: And as a residual of my NW “adventure”, I also root for the Mariners. Clearly, I’m a lost case.

  32. 32.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    May 25, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I’m old enough to remember 8″ floppies. I don’t think it was ever actually used on PCs.

  33. 33.

    nancydarling

    May 25, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    @Redshirt: I think Cole is one of the most self-aware people around. He does plenty of navel gazing and shares it with us.

    I just can’t understand why every eligible woman in WVA isn’t beating a path to his door. I’m too old for him or I might consider pulling up stakes and heading for West Virginny.

  34. 34.

    dmsilev

    May 25, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    helicopter game I loved but whose name I can not remember

    Choplifter?

    I remember playing that on my Dad’s Apple II. I think I killed more hostages than I saved. Usually by accidentally landing on them and squashing them. Oops.

  35. 35.

    PsiFighter37

    May 25, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Maybe you all are really as old and ancient as you say.

    @nancydarling: Can’t make assumptions like that. Gotta put the question in person, to the man.

  36. 36.

    Yatsuno

    May 25, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    @The Dangerman: Rooting for the Mariners means assuming the season will suck from the outset until they prove otherwise. My expectations are simple. They just have to beat the motherfucking Yankees. Otherwise I just go with they bite as the default position.

  37. 37.

    Origuy

    May 25, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    A maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

  38. 38.

    abject funk

    May 25, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Choplifter. So amazing for its time.

  39. 39.

    davebo

    May 25, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    That’s because you’re a kid.

    My Galaxy S3 has more computing power than the room full of Honeywell’s and PDP’s that ran the full motion flight simulators had in the early 80’s.

    Hell the solid state drive on the laptop I’m posting this from has a paltry 256GB of storage yet the first “PC” I worked with had an incredible 20 megabytes of storage on a hard drive that only cost $6,000.0 (not including the controller card).

  40. 40.

    PsiFighter37

    May 25, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    @Yatsuno: I’m a Yankees fan, so you’re going to have to get used to tolerating their existence if you want to have a drank with me.

    Just kidding

    Kind of

  41. 41.

    davebo

    May 25, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    A sense of depression overwhelms you.

    Marvin enters the room….

  42. 42.

    PsiFighter37

    May 25, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    @davebo: Dude, I am closer to 30 then 20, and I used computers when I was a kid. I may not be as ancient as you, but I remember when 16mb of RAM was the greatest invention since bread.

  43. 43.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 25, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    @Origuy: Or a twisty maze of little passages, all alike, or a little twisty maze of passages, all alike.

  44. 44.

    Ahasuerus

    May 25, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: If you want an SD Systems S-100 system with a Z80B, 128KB of RAM, dual 8-inch floppy drives, and a SASI 5 inch Winchester drive to replace your beloved Cromemco, give me a jingle. I’m sure we can work out an equitable arrangement. And I think I even have a box of virgin 8-inch floppy disks to sweeten the offer…

  45. 45.

    The Dangerman

    May 25, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    They just have to beat the motherfucking Yankees.

    Sigh. 2001, a helluva year, but they couldn’t get past the fucking Yankees.

    I wonder what Figgins is doing these days (I assume it ain’t baseball).

    ETA: He was a good, not great, player for the Angels; went to Seattle and sucked from the start. Another head case (see Bradley, Milton).

  46. 46.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    @davebo:

    yet the first “PC” I worked with had an incredible 20 megabytes of storage on a hard drive that only cost $6,000.0 (not including the controller card).

    Goodness. Is your dad Bill Gates?
    I remember the things I had to do to get the cash for a memory upgrade.
    *shudders*

  47. 47.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 25, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Dude, Usenet is closer to 30 than 20, too. Some of us may have posts there older than you.

  48. 48.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 25, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Dude, Usenet is closer to 30 than 20, too. Some of us may have posts there older than you.

  49. 49.

    davebo

    May 25, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    My trusty AB Dick Magna SL (yes that really was it’s name) used 2 8″ floppy drives.

    I’ve seen glaciers move faster. I seem to recall a Xerox 860 as well.

  50. 50.

    davebo

    May 25, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    No, it was the US Navy. No slack in light attack!

  51. 51.

    Irish Steel

    May 25, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    My inlaws, who include some younger fellas 18 and 23, have shitty, slow, rural internet that they get charged extra for once they go over a certain amount of data.

    I give up on this “off the grid” facade.

    And I was just telling my wife how little I would like that.

  52. 52.

    tybee

    May 25, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    you could get an 8″ floppy drive for your ibm-pc back in 1982.

    i still have an 8″ floppy disk around here somewhere.

  53. 53.

    Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

    May 25, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Cole, the price of admission is pet pictures. Surely Lily must have done something adorable by now.

  54. 54.

    davebo

    May 25, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    It was Bill Gates himself that said no computer would ever need more than 64 kilobytes of memory.

    Then he got to work making sure that would never be true.

  55. 55.

    donnah

    May 25, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    I’m glad you came back. I like you!

  56. 56.

    scav

    May 25, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Not IBMs that I remember. But Dad built a few desktops that used the 8″ flying pizzas.

    Drop Bird.

  57. 57.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    Dude, I am closer to 30 then 20

    This should be memorialized as the most humorous thing written on this blog in 2013.

  58. 58.

    davebo

    May 25, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    @tybee:
    Get rid of the crap!

    I’m just as bad. Huge boxes of cables even I don’t know what they are for but I can’t seem to let them go.

    I mean seriously, Firewire cables???

  59. 59.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    You are young. My first computer (Altos ACS-8000-2) had 8" floppy drives. With that and my Hazeltine terminal I was master of my domain.

  60. 60.

    Yatsuno

    May 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    @PsiFighter37: We’ll just declare detene on that point. So no baseball discussions. I do have a friend who grew up in the shadow of Yankee Stadium, so I can hold my tongue on that point. A bit. :P

  61. 61.

    gnomedad

    May 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Lost a cat today; hit by a car. This made me smile a bit. Cole is so reliable.

  62. 62.

    Poopyman

    May 25, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Point of order: Mosaic rescued you from Gopher, so you can thank the NCSA.

  63. 63.

    Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

    May 25, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    @gnomedad: Sorry to hear about your kitty!

  64. 64.

    Keith

    May 25, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    It’s interesting to read another generation’s computer history. I started with a VIC-20 and moved to a C-64, then got an 8088 and a 286 before going back to the C-64 when I was in my mid-teens. By then, the C-64 was essentially dead (this is the mid-90s), but there was a thriving BBS warez scene, with several of my friends running multiple phone lines to their house and PBX phreaking/blue-boxing (with a modem, not an actual bluebox) to Germany to pick up cracked warez. The Germans were damn good crackers due to their low-level ML knowledge that they got converting NTSC to PAL. And then there was the demo scene (which was my major programming interest at the time), which was basically just seeing how much graphics/sound you could still squeeze out of the 6501 CPU on the Commie.
    That was the golden age for me, especially since I was able to start playing so many games that were out of my reach during my first period of C-64 game playing. To this day, I still get a kick out of retrogaming on the C64. Got a nice library of emulated games that I will still play for a bit (I’d LOVE to remake Project: Space Station on the PC, but just don’t have the time.)

  65. 65.

    Linkmeister

    May 25, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    @Corner Stone: Oh, me too, me too. I had to fight for a year to get the company to upgrade from a 13.2Mb hard drive to two of them. Of course, that second 13.2 platter cost $6,000.

  66. 66.

    Bruuuuce

    May 25, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    @Cole: Face it, John. You’re stuck in a maze of twisty little blog entries, all different.

  67. 67.

    scav

    May 25, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Ascii art and all those cow e-mails.

  68. 68.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    @Cole:

    Charade, not façade. (Cedilla for extra pedantiness.)

  69. 69.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    @Bruuuuce: Does he have a match? Can he light the pile of hay on fire to find the key buried within?
    Dammit. I’m going to get some BBQ.

  70. 70.

    Corner Stone

    May 25, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    @Linkmeister:

    13.2Mb hard drive

    *faints*

  71. 71.

    NickT

    May 25, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    I gotta admit, the vision of Cole coding up his own website in COBOL or Fortran gave me a chuckle. And yes, damnit, I remember that version of Risk on the Apple computer. Mind you, I also remember Elite and Doomdark’s Revenge on the ZX Spectrum, so there!

  72. 72.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 25, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    @PsiFighter37: @davebo: Dude, I am closer to 30 then 20,

    I gotta bald spot older than you.

  73. 73.

    MikeInSewickley

    May 25, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Ah… What memories…

    Working on a Radio Shack Trash-80 for a doctor who wanted his receptionist to know what account balance a patient had when they called in so he could prefer the paid up clients – used a cassette tape player for mass storage.

    COBOL on a Univac 9400 with 128K of memory for a whole steel company of 2300 people
    IBM 1401 where we had to occasional tap the tubes down with a broom handle as they would occasionally expand out of their socket. Same machine had drum storage (not disc) – 2 huge cylinders spinning at 1500 RPM – size of 3 refrigerators – and held 50 meg of storage.

    And all this when I was 18 y.o.

    40 years later – all magic and still my students complain it’s too much work to program in Python or create a web page.

    Just shoot me.

  74. 74.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    @davebo:

    I believe he said 640 KB (the limit either in vanilla MS-DOS or the hybrid 8/16-bit chip architecture at the time), but otherwise I agree with you about his subsequent strategy. Also, there’s some disagreement whether Gates really said that. But whatever.

  75. 75.

    SatanicPanic

    May 25, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Time to drink beer! +2

  76. 76.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    @Corner Stone: True: but if you bring anything more powerful than a dumbphone on vacation, yer doing the whole ‘off the grid’ thing wrong.

  77. 77.

    Scott Alloway

    May 25, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    My first experience was DigiComp. Look it up. Fortran cards in 1968 and then Mac in 1986, That MacPlus still works, but we’ve been a computer household since then. Hell, She-who-must-be-obeyed took my computer away when her typewriter died in 1988 and said, “How can I write my reports?”, while sitting next to my Mac. Moments later, my world changed as she sat before the MacPlus. Took it as hers and I had to upgrade. She is and always has been the dearest person in my world (although a PITA with regards to the computers). But don’t get between her and the monitor.

  78. 78.

    davebo

    May 25, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Hell I’ve got underwear that’s older. But you know, the really nice silk boxer types….

    Hope all have a great weekend. I’m doing three dancing chickens (or beer can chickens) 4 racks of baby backs, three huge sirloin steaks, 5 jalapeno sausages and all the fixens for the family tomorrow for a pool party.

    Have a great Memorial Day and remember what the holiday is all about!!

  79. 79.

    PsiFighter37

    May 25, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That reassures me somewhat.

    On the other hand, everyone else is shaming me, which is kind of embarrassing. Remind me never to post when I’ve been drinking

  80. 80.

    NickT

    May 25, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    @MikeInSewickley:

    Well, you know, that HTML is the rough, tough, mean streets of coding.

  81. 81.

    Keith

    May 25, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    @MikeInSewickley: For as popular as the TRS-80 was, I have never actually seen one in person. And this is coming from someone who has a boxed Timex Sinclair 2068 sitting about 4 feet from him.

  82. 82.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Also, I played blackjack with Bill Gates and Adam Osborne at COMDEX in ’81 or ’82. Put that in your “six degrees of separation” file.

  83. 83.

    MikeInSewickley

    May 25, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    @NickT: Yeah, I’m looking forward to explaining CSS and Javascript to a new set of students who haven’t seen a command line since forever.

  84. 84.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    [Safe version of moderated comment]

    Also, I played blackjack with Bill Gates and Adam Osborne at COMDEX in ’81 or ’82. Put that in your “six degrees of separation” file.

  85. 85.

    davebo

    May 25, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    @NickT:

    When it comes to Cobal, Fortran, etc. I’m reminded of an old oilfield saying slightly modified.

    “God, give me another Y2K panic and I promise I won’t piss this one away”

  86. 86.

    scav

    May 25, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    @NickT: that’s one of the benefits of remembering back to Wordstar pre wysiwyg. HTML rolls by and large chunks are, well, du-uh.

  87. 87.

    MikeJ

    May 25, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    You used a Prime? Cool. That’s what we used as the backbone of AOL.

  88. 88.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    @MikeInSewickley: I fondly remember some idiot in the computer trade press that boldly predicted the last mainframe would be unplugged in the mid-1990s. I’d love to see that twit wrap his head around the latest iteration of IBM’s z/Architecture Principles of Operation manual-damn thing has grown in size by two orders of magnitude since then, and the latest zEC12 has shrunk to the size to two side-by-side refrigerators. Death of the mainframe? a zEC12 can run thousands of Linux instances under z/VM, each one isolated from the others. Who needs thousands of servers when I can replace them all with a few zEC12’s?

    And yes, I do most of my work in assembler. Wrap yer heads around that, you Python pikers. At least the latest gcc compilers are smart enough to understand the pipelining that occurs on various hardware platforms, which is a 180 degree shift from things like Java/CLR/Python-hell, even IBM woke up and implemented mainframe microcode/millicode that makes Java scream like a banshee.

  89. 89.

    MikeInSewickley

    May 25, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    @Keith: It was the only time I worked on the machine. It was the doctor’s own machine. He bought it and had no idea how to use it.

    But what idea popped up? Early managed care… and dollars came first. Some damn things never change.

  90. 90.

    MikeInSewickley

    May 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: The trade mag talking heads… “Paperless Office” “Death of the Mainframe” “Automated Programming”

    Yeah… I remember walking through an IBM 370 mainframe – I mean actually walking through and between cabinets where one side of the aisle was the CPU, another aisle was the communications cabinet, another and another. 5 years later, I’m putting in racks of HP servers running Unix and seeing all this empty floor space at a huge data center by the Pittsburgh Airport start to fill up with racks and racks of servers.

    And the facilities management company we used actually thought they would be reducing floor space with the loss of the mainframes. They had to start adding space by 1998. So these futurists predictions I take with a bucket of rock salt.

  91. 91.

    kdaug

    May 25, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    @Origuy: What”s a grue?

  92. 92.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    @davebo: Get it right: it’s called COBOL (COmmon Business Oriented Language).

    I actually met the mother of COBOL, RADM Grace Hopper at an ACM Conference in 1979 when I was in University.

  93. 93.

    NickT

    May 25, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    Did she give you a nanostick?

  94. 94.

    NickT

    May 25, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    @kdaug:
    Part “ocular bat”, part “unusual hoon” and part man.

  95. 95.

    kdaug

    May 25, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    @davebo: I still have a copy of this. “LGoF”, too.

  96. 96.

    Comrade Mary

    May 25, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Thank you. But I still have a little crush on Justine, thievery or no thievery.

  97. 97.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    @MikeInSewickley: No kidding. We probably have more floor space dedicated to thousands of 1U/2U racks of servers than the zEC12 uses. At least with Infiniband, HyperSockets and the zBX cabinetry we can cut floor-space and power consumption by quite a bit. DASD, of course, is whole separate issue-especially if you’re running split worklaods between complexes or a warm-standby in the case if you need to invoke a BCP/DR plan.

  98. 98.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 25, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    @Comrade Mary: So do I.

  99. 99.

    Comrade Mary

    May 25, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Anyway, guys, size doesn’t matter. Except when it does.

  100. 100.

    Comrade Mary

    May 25, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I. Will. CUT. You.

  101. 101.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    @NickT: Sadly, no-I wasn’t at any session where she was a presenter. I met her in between sessions.

  102. 102.

    NickT

    May 25, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    Omnes Varys does have a certain ring to it.

  103. 103.

    Keith

    May 25, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    I’m still trying to get my hands on a Coleco Adam, but damn if they aren’t EXPENSIVE on eBay! When I was a kid, there were all these TV shows about people doing magical things with computers (like Automan, where a guy made a holographic superhero…like Tron crossed with Weird Science, and Whiz Kids….and of course the movies that got me into programming, like Tron and the aforementioned WS). At the time, the C-64 was just a game machine for me (and I also had a Magnavox Odyssey2), but I saw the commercial for the Adam.
    It was pitched like an actual PC instead of game machine, so I envisioned myself getting one and making all the same magical things. Watching someone else talk to the screen as their fingers screamed away on a mechanical keyboard was like a drug for my brain. The nostalgia kick I get when trying to attain these old PCs I could never get as a kid is like trying to chase that high. I’m a way better programmer than I figured I could ever be, but even the super-ambitious stuff I work on now is much less magical than what I envisioned back then, so the high I get from this stuff just doesn’t compare.

  104. 104.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    @MikeJ: PrimeOS was a descendant of Mutlics. And in today’s world, the lessons Multics taught have been forced to be re-learned.

  105. 105.

    RSA

    May 25, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    The first computer programming course I took in college, in 1981, used Fortran. Punch cards were fortunately gone by then–I typed programs on 300 baud terminal. I took a Pascal course next, and became an undergrad teaching assistant for that course the next semester. Then I learned C and Franz Lisp…

    I was never a real gamer, though. The closest I came was a mild addiction to rogue, an ASCII-graphics dungeon exploration game (on Unix, using the curses library). The game runs on my Mac today, looking pretty much the same, which is pretty cool.

  106. 106.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    @RSA: GAAAH! (bangs head against desk)…

    LISP wasn’t named after the composer-it was an acronym of LISt Processing language. Nowadays it’s a historical icon, but many vendors used its power to implement optimized disk processing algorithms-most notably, DP2 in the Tandem Guardian B-series of releases in the mid 1980s.

  107. 107.

    gogol's wife

    May 25, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    This thread is hilarious.

    I certainly can’t keep up with any of this, but I remember an IBM 360 that filled a whole room and had these big tape reels on it that you had to thread.

  108. 108.

    Thor Heyerdahl

    May 25, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    I had an Apple //c when I was a kid. 128 KB.

    Had a Commodore 64 & 128 in my school from grade 4-6. “Load Program_Name ,8 ,1”

    And I remember getting a tour of a VAX server room as a teenager.

  109. 109.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    @gogol’s wife: That IBM 360 of the the past now exists in your microwave.

    Now war your head around this: The Apollo 11 mission was controlled by 3 IBM mainframes: 2 IBM 360/91’s custom built for NASA, and and 360/67 as a hot backup.

    In 1969.

    Now that same power is in every fscking smartphone on the planet using a Snapdragon SOC.

  110. 110.

    Comrade Mary

    May 25, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    @NickT: Please don’t put threats in my mouth!

    Ahem. Anyway.

  111. 111.

    NickT

    May 25, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    Threats, madam? I merely speculated that Omnes Varys would be a fine name. What could be more congenial than a pruning of the hairy, overflowing prolixity of Omnibus down to a mild, tranquil Varys?

  112. 112.

    feral1

    May 25, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    The helicopter game you’re think of is Armor Alley and it is awesome. You can find it still online and download it. Maybe still the best execution of strategy and action I’ve ever found in a computer game.

  113. 113.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    @Keith: I attended CES back in 1984 when the Coleco ADAM was introduced. It had promise, but Coleco could’t deliver on the hardware side, and that year saw the defection of Jack Tramiel from Commodore and take control of Atari, which got spun off from Time-Warner as a money-sink, and a year later the AMiga got introduced, which really made a hash of things when IBM announced the IBM PC and IBM’s second mistake, the PCjr-their biggest mistake was teaming up with Microsoft for PC-DOS, which when combined with Gary Kildall’s blow-off of IBM, has led us to the place we are today.

  114. 114.

    NickT

    May 25, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnOWikgTG2Q

  115. 115.

    RSA

    May 25, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    LISP wasn’t named after the composer-it was an acronym of LISt Processing language.

    Sure. It’s a pun. From Wikipedia: “Franz Lisp was probably the most widely distributed and used Lisp system of the 1970s and 1980s.”

    After the Lisp machine era, Franz and Harlequin were the two main players for commercial cross-platform Common Lisp implementations (Allegro Common Lisp and Lispworks, respectively). Things have evolved quite a bit since then, though.

    (I became more familiar with Lisp when I started working for Texas Instruments during the heyday of expert systems, using their TI Explorer Lisp Machines. It’s still my favorite language.)

  116. 116.

    Walker

    May 25, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    I remember the helicopter game. We used to have LAN battles in the computing lab at Dartmouth. I thought it was called Air Assault, but a look at Mac Gaarden reveals that was a different game.

  117. 117.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    @RSA: Ahh-OK-now that you’ve cited your cred, please accept my apology.

    (and for those of you who aren’t in the IT/Tech trade-“Move along, nothing to see here….”)

  118. 118.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    So why can’t my smartphone take me to the moon, huh? Tell me that.

  119. 119.

    RSA

    May 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: No need for an apology–how often do I have the chance to pontificate like that? :-)

  120. 120.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    As soon as you can acquire a Saturn V and Apollo capsule, and the code for RTOS that ran on the 360/91s, we can make it happen. Problem is that I don’ t think there’s a port of Hercules for Android/iOS-but they’re is one for the late Nokia N900!

  121. 121.

    Keith

    May 25, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: I can only imagine what the world would be like if Commodore hadn’t imploded. The Amiga was the ultimate for me back then, but by the time it was in my grasp, the PC had already taken over. Once I got Populous on a 286, Amiga was just an afterthought for me (even though DOS absolutely SUCKED compared to AmigaOS.)

  122. 122.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 25, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    @NickT: @Comrade Mary: Step the fuck back. Also, I always liked Louise Wener from Sleeper as well, so there really is no need to fight.

  123. 123.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    @Keith: Indeed: The Amiga was in many ways well ahead of its time by using REXX as its command language and the video chipsets it used-problem was it was too expensive at the time, and eventually lost when the PC and clones started to take off and became more afforable to the masses-but it found a resurrection when it morphed into the Emmy-Winning Video Toaster.

  124. 124.

    Simon Taverner

    May 25, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    The helicopter game *might* have been Armor Alley, as someone else has already mentioned, but then again, he might also have been referring to Apache Strike, which ran on the original Mac and was a wireframe 3D job with an amazing frame rate for the time.

  125. 125.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    Mere implementation details!

  126. 126.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    @RSA: Hell, I used to write articles on the TI 99/4A for the Computer Shopper 20 years ago-long before the internet, The Computer Shopper was a 1,000+ page monthly periodical in the mail just chock-full of ads when the late Stan Veit was the editor.

  127. 127.

    Keith

    May 25, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: Ah, yes, the Video Toaster. My mother picked up an Amiga/Toaster combo for something-or-other when I was in high school. But it had no games on it, and she also brought a Silicon Graphics Iris home from work, so I was more interested in playing the SGI flight sim than playing with the Amiga. Ironic, since I coveted an Amiga so much just a few years earlier.

  128. 128.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Talented hottie is talented. And hot.

  129. 129.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    @Steeplejack: Details are a bitch, aren’t they? Especially when they run smack-dab into the wall of reality.

  130. 130.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    @Steeplejack: Sleeper did the cover of Blondie’s Atomic for Trainspotting. I remember thinking it odd when that movie came out that my musical taste was remarkably similar to that of Scottish heroin addicts. W’evs.

  131. 131.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    @Steeplejack: Eeehh-to each his own, I guess.

  132. 132.

    Steeplejack

    May 25, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    Jill St. John and Ann-Margret are on Aisle 3, old man.

  133. 133.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    @Keith: Sometimes paying attention pays off-but given the state of networked communications at that point in time, I really can’t fault you if you weren’t able to make the connection.

  134. 134.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 25, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    @Steeplejack: The best tunes are played on old instruments.

    Old age and treachery will always beat youth and skill.

  135. 135.

    2liberal

    May 25, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    then I am going off the grid until Tuesday. Now; I am posting once per hour.

  136. 136.

    Walker

    May 25, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Yep, Armor Alley. That is the one.

  137. 137.

    Comrade Mary

    May 25, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: We’re fine, sweetie. I was binging on Bowie a little earlier tonight and am only now calming the fuck down.

    Thanks for reminding me of this, which led me to this. Hot 90s girls!

    I miss Miki …

  138. 138.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 25, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    @Steeplejack: @Howard Beale IV: Perhaps this will help.

  139. 139.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 12:01 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I went back to Lola Albright.

    ETA: Another Web site that I failed to bookmark and now can’t find had a marvelous collection of French music videos from the ’60s, when apparently there was a short-lived fad for video jukeboxes in Europe. Mlle. Hardy would have fit right in.

  140. 140.

    Ruckus

    May 26, 2013 at 12:03 am

    @gogol’s wife:
    Quite a few years ago built a mold to make the front cover for those large tape drives so that they would auto thread. And no we didn’t use any computers to make it.

  141. 141.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 26, 2013 at 12:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Not enough chanson for me.

  142. 142.

    Keith

    May 26, 2013 at 12:08 am

    @Howard Beale IV: Not sure what connection you are referring to, but I can definitively say that in the mid-90s when I had access to the SGI and Amiga/VT, the only networking I was doing was C-64 BBSs. Houston was one of the hubs of Commie warez BBSs at the time. I wish I could name drop them, but the only one I really remember was run by a guy named Grego…even went to the guy’s house a couple of times for BBQs whenever German warez’ers would come into town. He’d gotten busted (by the feds, IIRC) for handing out PBX codes and had just gotten all his C-64s back. Good times…

  143. 143.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 12:09 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Sleeper girl meets Françoise Hardy.

  144. 144.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 26, 2013 at 12:10 am

    @gogol’s wife: Depending on the tape drive, some you had to manually thread, others would use various vacuum systems to thread the reels of tape. When IBM introduced the 3480, all of that went out the window, and every tape drive technology since then uses what what the 3480 laid down, with the exception of DAT/SuperDAT.

  145. 145.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 26, 2013 at 12:11 am

    @Steeplejack: Golly.

  146. 146.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 12:16 am

    @Comrade Mary:

    Really like that Lush song.

  147. 147.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 26, 2013 at 12:16 am

    @Keith: I was referring to the rise of the Internet and the eventual downfall of BBS/CompuServe/Source/Prodigy as a means of communication.

    Even back in the 1980s, the FBI was well aware of what was happening in the darker side of BBS’s, and had paid informants who provided key information.

  148. 148.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 12:20 am

    @Comrade Mary:

    Really like that Lush song.

  149. 149.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 26, 2013 at 12:22 am

    @Keith: The FBI, following the 414 incident, has had insiders/paid informants and other resources available to investigate and prosecute any IP crimes.

  150. 150.

    Origuy

    May 26, 2013 at 12:23 am

    I was working at the U of I in 1975 as an undergrad. The lab had a PDP-11/10; I remember when we got 8K of core memory which maxed it out at 16K. The card was about 16 inches long and half an inch thick. I programmed it it assembler and FORTRAN to monitor the heart beat and respiration of rats and Psych 100 students. A few semesters later we got an LSI-11, with greater capacity and 8 inch floppies.
    Later, I worked on the FORTRAN compiler at Control Data. Left there to work on the FORTRAN compiler at Tandem, then the COBOL compiler. For a while I was on the ANSI COBOL committee.

  151. 151.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Is this thread borked? Suddenly the comment-mo-tron for me no work.

  152. 152.

    Keith

    May 26, 2013 at 12:35 am

    @Howard Beale IV: I think in the case of Grego, he was done in by a feud with another BBS admin named RedBlazer. They had a nasty squabble over something that resulted in the former running an app called PagerHell (autodialed pager prefixes with the target’s phone number) on the latter, causing his phone to ring off the hook for weeks. The suspicion after that was that RB went to the cops with info on the PBX hacking.

  153. 153.

    Sasha

    May 26, 2013 at 12:36 am

    I’m guessing it was Chopper Rescue.

  154. 154.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 26, 2013 at 12:44 am

    @Steeplejack: Test reply.

    ETA: Seems to work.

  155. 155.

    Comrade Mary

    May 26, 2013 at 12:51 am

    @Steeplejack: I THINK YOU REALLY LIKE THAT LUSH SONG.

    Came through twice :-)

  156. 156.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 12:54 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yeah, it’s working for me again. I had a comment where after I mashed “Submit Comment” the site just churned and churned interminably. And I didn’t see anyone else commenting, so I was wondering.

    And then later FYWP posted my comment twice. Go figure. Maybe there was a hamster shift change below decks.

    Anyway, Sleeper girl and Pauline Croze and their short haircuts led me to Swing Out Sister. Too ashamed to post a link (and I couldn’t find the really good video of “Twilight World” anyway).

  157. 157.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 12:57 am

    @Comrade Mary:

    Screw you! I haven’t double-posted in like forever. @FYWP hosed me again.

    I take it back. I hate that song! Hate it!

  158. 158.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 26, 2013 at 1:05 am

    @Steeplejack: Swing Out Sister brings me to Everything But The Girl.

  159. 159.

    Comrade Mary

    May 26, 2013 at 1:07 am

    @Steeplejack: Aww. Here’s a peace offering.

  160. 160.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 1:24 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I like them too and make that same mental connection. “Native Land” led me to the Cure’s “Boys Don’t Cry.” They must have been together on some mix tape I had.

    And, goddamn it, YouTube, why can I not find videos that were right there three months ago?! There was a really good “live” video of the acoustic version of this song.

  161. 161.

    Debbie(aussie)

    May 26, 2013 at 1:33 am

    I feel like such a newb! Most of the peeps here, even more aged than I(51),are knowledgable with regard to computers etc. Me, nah! My. brother had a Commodore 64 early 80’s & we got our first computer in 1995 (whole package cost $3500). But I remain pretty ignorant. Oh well, we can’t all be whizz kidz.
    And sometimes it feels like you are all talking in some foreign language :)

  162. 162.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 1:33 am

    @Comrade Mary:

    LOL. Sorry, I have LBT syndrome (“low Bowie threshold”), and I still think Klaus Nomi is a Mike Meyers character that didn’t work out.

    I will rinse off with some Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

  163. 163.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 26, 2013 at 1:33 am

    @Steeplejack: This is simply brilliant.

  164. 164.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 1:36 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Nice. Don’t think I’ve heard that before.

  165. 165.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 26, 2013 at 1:40 am

    @Steeplejack: Upstairs at Eric’s (the first Yaz/Yazoo album) is definitely worth finding.

  166. 166.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 1:44 am

    @Comrade Mary:

    Are the Dum Dum Girls cool or just, er, dumb? Gotta say I’m a sucker for the sound of guitars reverberating in a long tunnel.

  167. 167.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 26, 2013 at 1:46 am

    @Steeplejack: They are a college radio staple here in Madison.

    ETA: They seem to catch the vibe of some of the softer Pretenders things from I and II – Stop your Sobbing, Kid, etc.

  168. 168.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 2:13 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Good to know. One of the problems of being an elderly white shut-in (h/t JSF) is I don’t get peer-group validation of my musical choices.

  169. 169.

    NCSteve

    May 26, 2013 at 2:15 am

    Oh man, the time I wasted in high school sneaking into the local college’s computer lab to wander Colossal Cave on their amazing superdeluxe Pr!me computer. It was major league because it had almost a megabyte of something not unlike random access memory. And it ran the entire college.

    Then I got a driver’s license and discovered alcohol and girls.

    But I always wondered why they called them “computer labs.” Made me suspect the psych majors were running an experiment on those who used it.

  170. 170.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 26, 2013 at 2:17 am

    @Steeplejack: One of the reasons I listen to the college radio station here is so that I don’t lock myself completely into a 1977-1999 musical prison.

  171. 171.

    Steeplejack

    May 26, 2013 at 2:39 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Good idea. I don’t have a connection to any college radio station right now (bad radio reception at home and haven’t gotten into the habit of streaming one on the computer), so about all I do is listen to one or another of the “weird” Sirius channels a few days a week.

    I do still stream Clark Atlanta University’s WCLK, which is one of the best jazz stations in the country. Veers toward urban contemporary and smooth jazz during the day, but from sundown to sunrise it’s the best.

  172. 172.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 26, 2013 at 2:41 am

    @Keith: Sounds reasonable to me. The Bureau has long been aware of computer/telephone crime even as far back as the 1970s; the ironic things is that with the way the internet was designed, combined with the lack of sophistication of perps being able to covert their own tracks, these kinds of stunts are going to be quickly identified and prosecuted, .

  173. 173.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 26, 2013 at 2:55 am

    @Origuy: Sweet: Which flavor of COBOL did you influence?

  174. 174.

    John Weiss

    May 26, 2013 at 2:55 am

    @dmsilev: Striker?

  175. 175.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 26, 2013 at 3:08 am

    @Comrade Mary: Ah, yes: Bowie and the late Klaus Nomi, enshrined in the Venture Brothers episode “Showdown at Cremation Creek (Part I)”

  176. 176.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 26, 2013 at 3:56 am

    @Debbie(aussie): Some of us have spent our ‘careers’ dealing with computers, Information Technnology, and those who control it to the point that we have to wonder:

    “Do you control the technology, or does the technology control you?”

  177. 177.

    Debbie(aussie)

    May 26, 2013 at 4:07 am

    @Howard Beale IV:
    I would bet a bit each way, I think.

  178. 178.

    Hunter

    May 26, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Yeah. I’ve just had the worst week ever with the computer (in the shop three times in five days, then instant malware), and I’m fed up. And here I am, back online. I do have an excuse — all of my writing and editing is for the Internet at this point — I don’t know if I’d know what to do with an actual manuscript or proofs — but still. . . .

    And I’m learning more about software than I ever wanted to know.

  179. 179.

    Maude

    May 26, 2013 at 9:08 am

    @Steeplejack:
    If the comment doesn’t go through right away, go off the site and come back. It will post once.
    Your friendly dial up helper. My time is slower and so I know these things.
    And, I was online with ???? in ????. So there.

  180. 180.

    phoebesmother

    May 26, 2013 at 9:33 am

    @nancydarling: Me too. Gee Cole, 2 near proposals in one thread! And I’m a WV native now residing in a neighboring state.

    But I’m so old I remember programming 4K applications in machine language and entering it by flipping switches!

  181. 181.

    Tony the Wonderhorse

    May 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    We love you John, do whatever the fuck you want and so will we. Happy day before MemDay

  182. 182.

    JR in WV

    May 26, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    The first computer I worked with ran i/o using 6-level paper tape. It took raw text and justified it into column widths to drive mechanically automated linotypes casting lead type at a newspaper.

    Then they migrated away from molten lead to photo-type-setting with PDP 11/780 mini-computers that bootloaded using 8-level mylar tape. No such thing as a floppy disk!

    In college I used a remote IBM-compatible computer to write and run programs written in PL/1 (programming language one) which was intended to replace Cobol and Fortran (and all the others) with a massively complex single multi-purpose programming environment.

    I doubt if it still executes outside of (perhaps) a computing history museum.

    By the end of my IT career we were using Oracle RDBMS and windows GUI, along with web tools like jason, javascript, etc. Now I’m a user!

  183. 183.

    Bob Munck

    May 26, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    I wrote some of that Primos software that John cut his teeth on, when I was in the OS group at Prime Computer. We called it “MULTICS in a Matchbox.”

    My first computer was an IBM 7070, the big mainframe with 5,000 10-digit words of core memory (yes, all in decimal). A guy named Doug Englebart let me try the first prototype of a thing he invented, a little wooden box with wheels on the bottom that would tell the computer when you moved it.

    I sent email to my girlfriend in 1970 when she was in grad school in Toronto — I was teaching CS in Providence, and we were both using a mainframe in Stamford CT. I first logged onto the net 40 years ago last November.

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