Credit where credit is due: an an elected Oklahoma Republican is making sense:
All of the new Oklahoma laws aimed at limiting abortion and contraception are great for the Republican family that lives in a gingerbread house with a two-car garage, two planned kids and a dog. In the real world, they are less than perfect.
I see your problem here, but do go on:
As a practicing physician (who never has or will perform an abortion), I deal with the real world. In the real world, 15- and 16-year-olds get pregnant (sadly, 12-, 13- and 14-year-olds do also). In the real world, 62 percent of women ages 20 to 24 who give birth are unmarried. And in the world I work and live in, an unplanned pregnancy can throw up a real roadblock on a woman’s path to escaping the shackles of poverty.
But what about those who don’t live where you do?
Yet I cannot convince my Republican colleagues that one of the best ways to eliminate abortions is to ensure access to contraception. [via]
Kudos to OK Rep. Doug Cox. He is — as his op-ed makes clear — no fan of abortion. But he’s pretty damn blunt on both the what actually happens in the world and he’s on the right side of the argument on the basic right of individuals to make their own damn decisions. So good on him; he’s the kind of opposition we need if a two party system is ever to function again, and he’s absolutely right on the practical and moral value that comes from treating women and girls as actual autonomous…you know…people.
One more thing — I was going to call Cox a bit of a naif for this:
What happened to the Republican Party that I joined? The party where conservative presidential candidate Barry Goldwater felt women should have the right to control their own destiny? The party where President Ronald Reagan said a poor person showing up in the emergency room deserved needed treatment regardless of ability to pay? What happened to the Republican Party that felt government should not overregulate people until (as we say in Oklahoma) “you have walked a mile in their moccasins”?
But, follow the jump, and you’ll see that Cox has no problem handling the concept of a rhetorical question:
Is my thinking too clouded by my experiences in the real world? Experiences like having a preacher, in the privacy of an exam room say, “Doc, you have heard me preach against abortion but now my 15-year-old daughter is pregnant, where can I send her?” Or maybe it was that 17-year-old foreign exchange student who said, “I really made a mistake last night. Can you prescribe a morning-after pill for me? If I return to my home country pregnant, life as I know it will be over.”
Yup, Representative Cox. You got it right.
Too much reality doth not a good Republican make.
Image: Gustav Klimpt, Sketch outline pregnant woman with man, 1903/4
cathyx
That man needs to be kicked out of the republican party right now. There is no place for those sentiments.
Alison
Nice to know there are still some Republicans who know how to brain.
Tom_B
I disagree with the guy on abortion, but it is refreshing to hear a Republican 1) show signs of ability to think logically 2) do so in a party where they try to punish the slightest deviation from the script 3) show some actual EMPATHY.
Comrade Dread
You realize, of course, that he’ll get primaried out in the next election cycle to a Teahadist.
Scott S.
The poor guy is probably already getting tons of hate mail. Oklahoma is no place for a Republican with a conscience. :/
jl
@Comrade Dread:
Will he last long enough in the GOP to be primaried?
NickT
CORRECTION! CORRECTION! CORRECTION!
Not to get all verklimpt about this, but the artist who created your sketch was Klimt.
karen
He just signed his primary papers.
srv
If you’re only objective is punishment, you did not fucking get the message of the New Testament.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
FTFY because he actually sounds sane.
Redshift
Rarely has the essence of what drives people out of the Republican Party been captured so succinctly.
KG
There use to be a lot of Republicans like this guy. Now most of us are either Independents or Democrats. Granted, they’ve been talking about the GOP collapsing since the mid-90s (“how will the party survive if the Soviet threat is gone?”) and it hasn’t happened yet. But it really does feel like it’s closer now than it has been before. Of course, a couple of Republican wins in some big states and/or the presidency, and this’ll all get swept back under the rug
jrg
Primaried? Hell, he’ll be lucky if he doesn’t get shot.
Cassidy
He must have a book to sell.
Why are we talking about a Republican making intelligent mouth noises about women being treated as people who can make choices when the real issues are how Julian Assange hasn’t been treated as the god-king he deserves and jack-booted thugs in Boston and DRONEZ!
The Moar You Know
He won’t be a Republican long, and that decision is going to be made for him, not by him.
Yatsuno
Actions haz consequences. HOOCODANODE???
Mark S.
One time Democrats did something to Bob Casey so both sides do it.
Mnemosyne
@Redshift:
It’s the saddest question I’ve ever seen, really. His fellow Republicans are angry because he tells them the truth.
the Conster
Why on earth would any doctor who took the oath be able to be a Republican? Unless you’re treating only rich white men with ED, and golf all the rest of the time, none of the rest of the real world will allow you to align reality with that ideology.
The Moar You Know
This quote is going to be the end of his career:
Going public with that dirty laundry – and we all know it happens on a daily basis in this country – was a bridge too far. He’ll have to retract or be drummed out of the Hate Club.
The Moar You Know
@the Conster: Most are. Most even manage to be pretty good doctors.
You’re talking about the oath to be a blood slave to Mammon, right?
Nicole
So… what did he do about the 15-year-old preacher’s daughter? Seeing as how he does not and never will perform an abortion.
It’s good to hear someone on the GOP side talking about the importance of access to contraception, and lauds to him for that, but he’s trying to convince his fellow legislators that access to contraception will “eliminate” abortion? No, no, and no. Reduce, sure. Eliminate, never.
Which is why it needs to stay legal.
Anna in PDX
Wow, what a genuinely heartfelt article. Wonders never cease.
the Conster
@The Moar You Know:
Stupid me. I forgot that the poor and the misfortunate are merely to be regarded as one’s path to the beach house.
liberal
I don’t quite understand this. I would assume someone who delivers babies also performs abortions. To wit, a person who routinely delivers babies and has the expertise to do so would also face exigencies where a D and C has to be performed and furthermore have the requisite skills. (E.g. woman in late first trimester, slowly bleeding to death, fetus nonviable.) Or a different abortion procedure for baby at 35 weeks, no fetal heartbeat.
Shakezula
Cox stands up for reproductive choice.
Sorry.
This makes a refreshing contrast to the post-election faux hand wringing you usually get from the GOP. It’s the difference between a sociopath type trying to say what he thinks you want to hear, and a fully functional human being saying what he thinks you need to hear. The unabashed display of empathy alone is rather startling. (Also, he is a cheeky bastard. Totes awesome.)
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@jrg: Sadly, that’s less hyperbolic than in should be.
Citizen_X
I expect Pat Robertson to now blame the Oklahoma tornado on this guy.
liberal
@Nicole:
Nah. Who cares if a woman bleeds to death because of a pregnancy gone wrong? It’s just a woman, amirite?
Trollhattan
@Nicole:
Sent her to Kalifornee, of course. We gots abortion robots.
liberal
@the Conster:
They’re in the I-don’t-give-a-shit-if-global-warming-destroys-the-earth-and-my-daughter-dies-in-pregnancy-after-being-raped-as-long-as-my-taxes-are-cut contingent.
Comrade Dread
@liberal: I would think, depending upon the area in which he practices, it would be easy enough to refer the woman to another provider for the procedure.
Or in the case where the fetus is clearly dead or the woman’s life is in danger, maybe he wouldn’t consider it an abortion. I’m generally pro-life and I wouldn’t. I’d call it an act of self-defense.
Frankensteinbeck
Poor bastard. See, you actually oppose abortion itself. You are in a tiny, tiny minority, sir. I am hoping you will take the next step and realize that your colleagues do not give a damn about abortion. Yelling about abortion is just a useful cover for… well, lots of motivations. Enforcing Xtianism, fighting for their tribe, punishing sex, keeping women down, a self-righteous hate thrill, all kinds of stuff – but actually reducing abortion? No, it’s not a priority and never has been.
catclub
“Is my thinking too clouded by my experiences in the real world?”
yes, SATSQ
liberal
@Comrade Dread:
Frankly, in that case, he shouldn’t be practicing OB. I could see refusing to treat if the abortion is elective, but across the board? No. (Again, I’m not an MD, but I don’t see this as std practice.)
Well, he’s a liar, then. The first hit I found for the definition of abortion was the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus.
shortstop
@liberal: He’s family practice, not OB/GYN.
ETA: Also emergency med.
Lee
@cathyx:
That man needs to be kicked out of the republican party right now. There is no place for
those sentimentssentients.Fixed for you :)
Comrade Dread
@liberal: Whatever terminology is used, my point was that there is a difference to some folks between elective abortion and abortion as a medical necessity.
jim filyaw
first ferking republican i’ve heard of that i could vote for in 50 years.
liberal
@shortstop:
So? Would you send your wife or daughter to a physician who’s only capable of delivering if things are working out great? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
MikeJ
@jim filyaw: This is just one issue. I’m guessing he’s just as evil as the rest on other things.
schrodinger's cat
A Republican Congressman who makes sense, wow will wonders never cease?
ETA: How will the Republican Ginger Bread people be able to limit the size of their families without contraception?
Jay C
@shortstop:
Then Rep/Dr Cox must be pretty good at multi-tasking his practice, because the NewsOK article linked to closes with:
liberal
@Comrade Dread:
I’m not disputing that there’s a difference (and acknowledged as much). But it’s nonstandard usage as far as I can tell, as far as definitions.
liberal
@shortstop:
That makes it worse, IMHO.
shortstop
@liberal: No, I wouldn’t, but then I wouldn’t expect a family medicine practitioner to deliver my baby in any scenario. Who does? Where you live, do family physicians deliver babies under circumstances other than, say, women going into rapid labor in movie theaters?
shortstop
@liberal: Yep, emergency med is the place where you have a point. Family med, not so much.
liberal
@Jay C:
I think you’re getting at the same thing I was pointing out: it seems pretty incredible that someone could deliver 800 babies and never, ever conduct an abortion, as medically defined. Again, I’m not a doctor, but it just doesn’t sound right.
liberal
@shortstop:
I’m pretty sure they do; I’ve seen them listed. I live in a fairly densely populated suburb of DC, not in some rural area with a shortage of doctors, and not 50 years ago where there were lots of non-OBs delivering babies in the US.
Cassidy
@shortstop: Most births are conducted by Family medicine physicians. It’s one of the foundations of the paractice “Moms and Babies”. OB’s can be seen obviously, but it’s still a specialty, from conception to birth. FM Practitioners are trained to treat during prgnancy, birth, and then continuing seeing the patient as the family doctor. Hell, I’d venture to guess that more babies are birthed by a Nurse/ Midwife than an OB.
? Martin
@Jay C:
Dude is in Grove, which is the middle of fucking nowhere. They don’t usually have large enough populations to support running full L&D wings in the hospital. GPs are still involved in delivering babies across most of the country.
shortstop
@Jay C: Weird. No one delivers that many bambini in the ordinary schedule of preparation for practice. Nevertheless, the dude’s not an OB/GYN and as far as I can tell has never been one. Is he from a wildly rural and medically underserved area? The abysmal quality of his toupee suggests that shopping options, at least, are strictly limited where he lives, though one would think he’d have additional rug-buying opportunities in the capital.
Higgs Boson's Mate
The only people who want to make abortion illegal are the ones who weren’t around when it was. When I was going to High School Good Girls went on sudden vacations, Bad Girls got knocked up.
Cassidy
@Cassidy: I’d even go further and say that Family Medicine Interns and Residents deliver more babies than OB’s.
gelfling545
@liberal: I assume he is speaking of elective abortions. Here in my largely Catholic area many, maybe most, ob/gyns to not perform elective abortions, they refer the patient elsewhere. They may not even have hospital privileges at a hospital where one might be performed & have to refer even medically necessary terminations.
Shakezula
@shortstop: Why not? If he’s the one who has seen her through the entire pregnancy why would she want a stranger to step in at the last minute?
shortstop
@liberal: @? Martin: Apparently I’ve been wearing urban-colored glasses again. I retract my disbelief that he could have birthed so many babies, and agree that it’s wildly improbable that he’s never come up against the abortion issue — if there’s no L&D, surely there’s no one on whom to pawn off abortion decisions. I still wonder about the rug.
Trollhattan
@Jay C:
Thomas Friedman’s cabbie has delivered more than that. Just sayin’.
chopper
@shortstop:
according to the article, he’s delivered over 800 babies.
Nicole
@shortstop:
So the reason he will never perform abortions could just as easily be chalked up to, “Because I don’t know how to.” I imagine he also has not, nor will he ever, perform a heart transplant.
I know in days of yore, when it was pretty much illegal, many family doctors knew how to perform abortions because it was part of standard training, but I don’t think that’s the case now?
Shakezula
@? Martin: Since he doesn’t give a time period I assume he’s talking about his entire medical career. He finished his residence in 81 so someone else can do the math, but we’re not talking a lot of babies. (What I would expect given comments on his location.)
shortstop
@Shakezula: From my obviously limited perspective as a resident of a city chock-full of healthcare options, that “stranger” — the OB/GYN — would be the one she’s seeing throughout her entire pregnancy. (This is true even in Chicago safety-net hospitals serving almost exclusively low-income patients, so it’s not just a privilege thing.) As noted above, I accept liberal’s and Martin’s explanations that tons of Americans still see general practitioners, not OB/GYNs, for pregnancy care and delivery.
schrodinger's cat
OT: Republican Congresscritter makes sense but MoU doesn’t. I have a post up, about his latest idiocy.
Bonus: It has a kitteh with a caption.
Barry
@Nicole: “So… what did he do about the 15-year-old preacher’s daughter? Seeing as how he does not and never will perform an abortion.”
Possibly recommended a good ‘rest and rehabilitation’ place somewhere far away, where she could go for 6 months or so, which respects patient privacy.
If you know what I mean.
Persia
@shortstop: My understanding is that a lot more family practice docs used to deliver babies 20-30 years ago, when insurance was more inclined to cover the practice. He’s been practicing since the 70s so it’s entirely likely he’s both delivered a lot of babies and referred women to OB-GYNs for abortions and/or D & C.
shortstop
@Barry: Or he simply sent her to a colleague who “does and will” perform abortions.
@Persia: Makes sense.
? Martin
@shortstop: It’s an important part of the healthcare puzzle – how do you get rural health care up to urban standards without dumping enormous amounts of money per patient in. A state like North Dakota can only support a handful of hospitals that will be separated by hundreds of miles. Working out what kinds of services can remain local – in the hands of a GP – and what services you have time to transport people by ambulance, and what services you need to call in a helicopter to get them to treatment before they die – is a really challenging puzzle. And we’re trying to do it all without unnecessary redundancy (competition is redundancy), gaps in service, and at the lowest possible cost. Where cities improve care through specialization, rural areas need to do the opposite, maintain levels of care through generalization and refer the specialized cases to the cities.
Rafer Janders
Experiences like having a preacher, in the privacy of an exam room say, “Doc, you have heard me preach against abortion but now my 15-year-old daughter is pregnant, where can I send her?”
This kind of hypocrisy drives. Me. Insane.
? Martin
More responsible gun owners:
Disney World is the first place I’d think to break out the hollow points.
Fucking cowards.
shortstop
@? Martin: And it gets even trickier when those widely separated rural hospitals are merging with Catholic hospitals, making access to many services even more geographically challenging. Kay has done yeoman’s work in writing about this.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@liberal: Suggestion: Until someone can ask him, we should probably keep our speculation on his experience to a minimum.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
? Martin
@shortstop: Indeed.
Violet
Good for him. The wingnut jihad against contraceptives is just crazy. It’s the best way to prevent abortions, which they say they want to do. That’s not what they really want, though. They want to control women. Same as it ever was.
shortstop
@Rafer Janders: She wasn’t a slut contravening the word of God. She just made a mistake. Could happen to anyone who’s just like us.
schrodinger's cat
@Violet: So true. Fundamentalists of all stripes tend to do this, keep the women in control. That is what traditional religion boils down to, isn’t it. Why do so many women go along with it, I wonder.
Anya
Good for him. nothing else to say…
MikeJ
@? Martin:
The place is crawling with giant rats. So much so visitors have felt the need to try to disguise themselves. They’re the real cowards. We’re gonna take Disneyland back from the RoUS!
joes527
@? Martin: Dude was lucky. The most likely outcome was loaded gun + bumpy ride == hilarity.
Violet
@schrodinger’s cat: I don’t know. Culture? Family pressure?
NonyNony
@joes527:
Actually the formula is loaded gun + bumpy ride FULL OF KIDS == as a parent I’m reconsidering whether we’re going to go to Disney World.
I mean holy crap – who brings a piece loaded with hollow points into a kids amusement park? Aren’t most amusement parks firearm free zones? Even here in Ohio I’m pretty sure that our amusement parks are places where they post that you’re supposed to leave your piece at home and they’ll eject you from the park if you don’t.
What kind of a stupid coward can’t even leave his gun at home to go to DISNEYLAND?
NickT
@NonyNony:
Hey, you never know what alQaeda operatives could be lurking inside Mickey Mouse’s infidel costume. I mean, that’s not a normal, white mouse such as you find in your honest, salt-of-the-earth hardworking American heartland state.
Frankensteinbeck
@schrodinger’s cat: and @Violet:
Taboos are self-perpetuating. Humans aggressively support cultural standards that hurt themselves all the time.
Violet
@NonyNony: Apparently he didn’t think it was a problem to bring his gun. From the article:
What happened to ignorance of the law is no excuse?
Villago Delenda Est
It was never about “saving babies”
It was always about punishing the sluts.
Violet
@Villago Delenda Est: Indeed. Especially those non-white sluts. Nice, white 15-year old pastors’ daughters just need a place to go to get their problem taken care of.
MikeJ
@Violet:
Not all Disney policies are officially laws yet. It may be Disney policy to not allow guns, and they may kick you out if they discover it, but it may not be against the law to carry at Disney World.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@NonyNony:
I think it depends on how many times you’ve heard “It’s a Small World After All.”
SatanicPanic
@NonyNony: I’m not going there until they have metal detectors like the airport. Disneyworld is only slightly higher on my list than North Korea already. Now I gotta worry about some jerk who cuts in line packing? No thanks.
Anton Sirius
I just sent him the following email to his House Rep account:
“Dr. Cox, thank you for this. The Republican Party needs people like you to pull it back from the extremism that has been consuming it in recent years.
The country needs two parties committed to moving us forward, not just one. Keep up the good work.”
He probably needs some positive reinforcement right about now
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet:
Amazing how that works out, isn’t it? Pastor’s daughter gets knocked up, and suddenly, the perspective on abortion changes…in this case.
If it were really about preventing abortions, these people would be fanatical condom fans.
Shakezula
@NonyNony:
Chicken shits.
So now you’re wondering – Who carries a piece in a manner that it can fall out of where it is being carried?
Dumb shit chicken shits.
Villago Delenda Est
@Shakezula:
“A responsible gun owner”
Sometimes I just crack myself up…
Amir Khalid
@Violet:
Well, It’s a rule made by the operator of a privately-owned park, not a law as such. But if Disney World doesn’t allow guns on the premises, they should post the rules on forbidden items on a sign at the entrance, and on any website where they sell entrance passes.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Amir Khalid:
It’s Florida, Jake.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Villago Delenda Est: There’s a website somewhere that has stories from abortion providers. A number of them are of the category “One of the people who protested the place either came in or brought a daughter in for an abortion.” One of the stories talked about a protester who came in for an abortion, and during the entire time she was in there, she kept calling the other women sinners and told the doctors and nurses they were going to hell. I believe they refused to perform the abortion on her.
I would look the site up, but I’m at work.
Shortstop
Illinois’ new conceal carry law (ugh, we held out as long as we could) prohibits carrying in amusement parks. Does Florida’s?
Villago Delenda Est
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
The doublethink…the stupid…it burns!
Villago Delenda Est
OT, but the ongoing “Ford has a better idea” thing going on up in Canukistan has taken a “Pat Buchanan advises Dick Nixon” turn:
Comrade Dread
@? Martin: When roving packs of crazed, homicidal Itchy and Scratchy robots start swarming you, you’ll wish you had an AR-15.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Higgs Boson’s Mate:
I think that’s WHY they strictly enforce a no guns policy. Otherwise that ride could turn into a bloodbath.
dr. luba
@the Conster: It depends on the specialty. OB/GYNs tend to be more liberal, as we have had to deal with politics and politicians interfering in medicine for decades: abortion, contraception and infertility matters.
Of course, more women entering medicine has liberalized it a bit, too.
Villago Delenda Est
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
Duff beer for me, Duff bear for you, I’ll have a Duff, you’ll have one too!
Comrade Dread
@NonyNony: Come to DisneyLand out here in California. We have gun laws.
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: I’ve long been a proponent that they should put targets on the figurines and install arcade light guns on the boats.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@Villago Delenda Est: It’s really damned nice to see something like this happening on the other side of the border for once. Ford just might last long enough to tide us over until the next Silvio Berlusconi dust up.
PurpleGirl
@liberal: Some medical schools no longer teach how to do a D&C. There are hospitals where a D&C can’t be done. The crazies expect a woman to keep a non-viable fetus until it is expelled naturally. We have become a very stupid country.
MikeJ
@Comrade Dread:
I seem to recall the wingnuts being upset about the lack of hippo shooting on the jungle cruise.
schrodinger's cat
@Villago Delenda Est: Pastor is not that different from Friedman, who sends his progeny to Yale but questions the value of college for everyone else. He also pimps MOOCS. Hypocrisy, its what’s for lunch.
scav
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: Probably a lot of Skittles carriers at that park too. Gotta be careful in FL.
scav
@PurpleGirl: Not stupid.
Cruel.
and casual with it.
well, that and stupid. But this observed behavior goes beyond mere stupid.
Anoniminous
Hold on a second.
According to the gun crazies packin’ is an absolute Right. Are they going to let a private corporation (Disney) take away their Constitutional Rights?
Or are they going to allow the Federal Government to interfere in Teh Markets?
Got a bit of a conundrum here.
NickT
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/security-guard-at-ny-high-school-arrested-for?ref=fpb
Doubtless the NRA solution is to have security guards watching the security guards watching the security guards watching the….
SatanicPanic
@Anoniminous: That’s easy for any wingnut whose last name is not Disney
Chris
@Anoniminous:
Well, not necessarily. It depends on the circumstances. If, for example, the corporation belongs to George Soros or Warren Buffet, then it follows naturally that gun rights trump property rights. If the gun owner is black or Hispanic or liberal or poor or Muslim, it follows naturally that property rights trump gun rights. Only if the corporation’s owner and the gun owner are both True Red Blooded All American Rugged Individualist Red State Patriots do we have a conundrum.
MikeJ
@Anoniminous:
Ron Paul thinks a business owner should be able to refuse service to a person based on race, but should not be able to refuse service to a person for carrying a gun.
Shakezula
@PurpleGirl: Gen. 3:16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Just making sure the will of their psychopathic sky commander is carried out.
jonas
Wow. A Republican. In Oklahoma. Writing this.
Well, he’s toast. Plus — bless his heart — he actually thinks the pro-life movement cares about innocent babies, when in reality they actually care about punishing women for having sex. It’s an anti-feminist movement, not a pro-life one. Why does he think they’re also so dead-set against making contraception or rational sex-ed available? That never seems to have occurred to him.
PurpleGirl
Read the website of Medical Students for Choice. It’s eye-opening.
http://www.ms4c.org/
PurpleGirl
@MikeJ: A Floridian brought a gun into California… California which has gun laws even stricter than NYS/NYC? Forget about Disney park policies. He should worry about state cops.
MikeJ
@PurpleGirl: It was Disney World, not Land. Orlando, not Anaheim.
Tone In DC
@? Martin:
What the fuck???
Did Goofy piss him off, so he’s gotta open up on a high school senior/slacker/Jim Hoft in a costume?
Anoniminous
@SatanicPanic:
@Chris:
@MikeJ:
Well granted blacks, browns, yellows, Jews, anyone to the Left of Attila the Hun, and them with icky girl parts don’t have any Constitutional Rights.
BUT WHAT ABOUT REAL AMERICANS!1?!!!?111!!?
How can they enjoy that E-Ticket ride without their Bushmaster?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@PurpleGirl: OT, but there are less expensive (I think) options for diabetes supplies here and here.
Guns in Disney World – poorly secured. What could possibly go wrong?
SatanicPanic
Next up, rich Manhattan moms hiring poors to carry their guns around Disneyworld for them
A non mouse
@Cassidy:
You would be oh so very wrong. ACGME looks at stats for residents in procedures. FP residents need 30 over 3 years to graduate. I would get 30 in a month. I ended residency with around 350 deliveries (remember, some months are GYN only, no OB).
Last year, I delivered over 300 babies. Cox has delivered 800 in how many years? Please, OBs by far deliver the majority of babies. My last call weekend, I had 8 deliveries.
And FP docs are trending away from delivering babies. I grant you, there are large swaths of rural America where FPs still do everything. But they are little populated and don’t contribute a great deal to the sheer numbers.
gvg
Just a little background info; apparently state malpractice laws determine which docs deliver babies because in some states where it’s easy to sucessfully sue a doc for a birth defect, the insurance means very few docs deliver babies. Florida has high doctor insurance costs and now very few docs actually deliver. This means fewer family docs do it them selves compared to other states. My sister delivered more babies in residency than she has in the years since. It’s a shame too because she loved the deliveries. Other states have more general and family practitioners delivering.
Reread the definition of abortion above. A dead fetus removal is not considered abortion. Also certain birth defects such as not forming a brain develop in the fetus mean it doesn’t get counted as an abortion and doesn’t show in National statistics. That doesn’t mean other people don’t have different opinions and most people seem to assume that most people agree with them.
Trollhattan
@? Martin:
Did he mistake Disneyworld for the New Hampshire legislature? Also, too, hollow-points? That’s so ’80s–it’s jacketed armor-piercers today, if you please.
And my family wonders why I avoid crowded public spaces.
Trollhattan
@Amir Khalid:
The following are not allowed to be brought into the Disney Theme Parks:
•Items with wheels, such as wagons, skateboards, scooters, inline skates, shoes with built-in wheels, two-wheeled or three-wheeled conveyances, strollers larger than 36″ x 52″, suitcases, coolers, or backpacks with or without wheels larger than 24″ long x 15″ wide x 18″ high (coolers required for medication may be stored in a locker or at Guest Relations), and any trailer-like object that is pushed or towed by an ECV wheelchair or stroller
•Alcoholic beverages
•Weapons of any kind
•Folding chairs
•Glass containers (excluding baby food jars and perfume bottles)
•Pets (unless they are service animals)
•In Disney’s Animal Kingdom Theme Park (for the safety of the wildlife), balloons, straws and drink lids are not permitted. Note: they now have biodegradable paper straws.
More amusingly
Examples of unacceptable attire includes:
•Clothing displaying offensive messages/language
•Adult costumes or clothing that can be viewed as a costume (children under age 10 are excluded)
•Clothing made with offensive material, (ie transparent)
•Clothing that is excessively torn
•Clothing which exposes inappropriate portions of the body such as string bikini tops, G-strings, bikini bottoms, etc.
•Guests wearing wedding attire are discouraged from entering the Theme Parks.
Southern Beale
God I’m so fucking sick of this shit. So, yet ANOTHER Republican wakes up and ponders what crazy juice his fellow Republicans have been drinking? Jesus. What the fuck took you so long? And Oklahoma, too! There’s SO much crazy there, I swear there’s some kind of crazy vortex over the middle of the country sucking all the nuts in.
Seriously, if I hear another Republican ponder what happened to his/her party I’m gonna hurl. Quit your whining and either fix your party or leave it.
When did Christine Todd Whitman write “It’s My Party Too!” 2004? 2005? Republicans are well into their second — maybe even THIRD — decade of being modern-day Know-Nothings. Anyone who’s just now waking up to that fact is a fool who is not worth the time of day.
Tonal (visible) Crow
And then there’re the pious odes to how much better things were under Reagan, when the fact of the matter is that Reagan opened the chicken-coop door and let in the crazies, Foxes, and crazy foxes that have been fucking the chickens ever since, to mix a few metaphors. Does “Religious Right” ring a bHell?
Villago Delenda Est
@Anoniminous:
One has to be fairly old to understand what an “E-Ticket ride” was, before Disney changed the system.
Tonal (visible) Crow
@MikeJ:
If there are demons, Republicans are whoring for them.
Trollhattan
@Tonal (visible) Crow:
To be fair, before he let the crazies in as president he let the crazies out as governor, so it’s twit-for-tat.
dr. luba
@PurpleGirl:
Surgical procedures like a D&C are not generally taught in medical school. That is the sort of thing a doctor learns in residency. OB residents all learn basic suction curettage, to remove products of conception in a failed pregnancy if necessary. Other specialties, not so much.
Not all doctors learn to do voluntary terminations of pregnancy, aka “abortions.” And few know how to do late term abortions, or have privileges in hospitals where they are allowed.
Abortion, as a medical term, means any pregnancy which ends before 20 weeks of gestation, whether spontaneously or electively. Thus many people’s confusion when reading the medical literature or medical discussions.
Women with non-viable fetuses in the first trimester are given the option of waiting for it to be expelled naturally; this is less traumatic to the cervix that mechanical dilation (the D of D&C), and avoids anesthesia. Some prefer this, others opt for surgery.
The congressman in this case is a Family Medicine doctor, not an OB/GYN. He may or may not have privileges for D&C; if not he would refer patients who need them to the local surgeon or OB/GYN. (Like the pastor’s daughter, or even someone miscarrying.)
And many OBs refer out their patients who want or need VTPs. It is usually easier and cheaper for the patient to have them done at a good abortion clinic; also, many hospitals do not allow docs to perform VTPs in their facilities. When it comes to late term abortions, almost everyone refers to a specialist; it’s best to have a procedure done by someone who does them frequently.
Most hospitals will allow procedures to remove an expired fetus, whatever the gestational age. When it comes to fetuses with anomalies, even anencephaly, it is more problematic. Some do, some don’t. It’s usually better to have the procedure done at a specialty center where it is a commonplace procedure, and the nursing staff is used to dealing with it. (“Pro-life” nurses can be a huge problem, especially when they interfere with care and try to proselytize to patients, but even by their attitudes to patients, but that’s another story.)
Villago Delenda Est
@Trollhattan:
Because, you know, all they can think about is what happens in the honeymoon suite after they take off their wedding attire.
Trollhattan
@Villago Delenda Est:
Also, too, makes all the princesses jealous.
'Niques
@Villago Delenda Est: Ha ha … I remember!
Kay
@NickT:
The more guns in schools campaign really caught on in Ohio. I thought it was reckless and nuts, they’re actually arming employees in some districts, and I also thought there was going to be a tragedy, so it was politically risky.
But most Republicans went along, until about 2 weeks ago when the public safety director and the AG made sure to tell media they thought it was a bad idea.
Just disgusting ass-covering cowardice. They didn’t buck the NRA when it mattered, and now they’re on record as “bad idea” once the guns are IN the schools , if it goes bad, which it will.
RSA
@? Martin:
My extensive knowledge of firearms and ammunition — based on reading a lot of detective novels — leads me to suspect that the gun owner was worried that ordinary bullets might pass completely through a bad guy and hurt an innocent kid. Safety first!
On Doug Cox: His issues Web page includes views on education, medical care, and the environment that I think in a lot of other states would make him a blue dog Democrat.
SiubhanDuinne
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: Heh.
@Anton Sirius:
Nice note, and nice idea.
Jay in Oregon
@Rafer Janders:
I have a hard time believing that this happened, because everyone knows that anti-abortion people are completely consistent in their principles.
Also, how many preachers with teenaged daughters do you think this guy had as patients? If this actually happened, it won’t take people very long to figure out who it is.
Mnemosyne
@Higgs Boson’s Mate:
Congratulations! You are today’s winner of the internets.
soonergrunt (mobile)
I know him. My dad introduced me to him. He’s a good man. Just as any state where one party rules, that party has wings that have (more or less) opposing points of view.
Doug Cox is as close to a liberal with any power as you’re going to get in OK.