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Mein Herze schwimmt im Blut

by @heymistermix.com|  June 5, 20131:50 pm| 169 Comments

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Bring on the dancing beat sweetener. Unlike Chuck Grassley, we don’t have a Hill to tell where it hurts, so here’s an open thread.

Thanks to reader J for the link.

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  1. 1.

    ? Martin

    June 5, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Considering how hard Grassley worked to fuck over health care reform after being an advocate for it, is he really surprised?

  2. 2.

    Scott S.

    June 5, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    He hasn’t called me either! DAMN YOU, OBAMA!

  3. 3.

    Ben Cisco

    June 5, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    So, he’s pining for him?

    I can’t even come up with an accurate adjective for this…hmmm…

    Whiny, bleating, pompous, self-absorbed, privileged, condescending, squidcloud-of-butthurt expelling asshole.

  4. 4.

    Jerzy Russian

    June 5, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    And if Mr. Obama called up Mr. Grassley from time to time, I bet Mr. Grassley would find some way to bitch about the excessive “interference” or “intimidation” from the Executive Branch.

  5. 5.

    c u n d gulag

    June 5, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    This is another example of politics, as either JHS, or HS.

    “Gee, after that new guy at our school invited me over to his house 4 years ago to see if I could help him with his homework – since I’d been at the school for a while and knew what the teachers wanted – and as soon as I got there, I spit at him, called him, “stupid,” and told him I’d do everything I possibly could to ruin his reputation at the school – now I’m hurt.
    I wonder why he hasn’t call me in the last few years?”

  6. 6.

    kc

    June 5, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    @Jerzy Russian:

    You know it.

  7. 7.

    TenguPhule

    June 5, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Grassely must be one hell of a lousy lay. Just saying.

  8. 8.

    dedc79

    June 5, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    “I mean, sure i told my constituents that his health care plan would create death panels that would systematically euthanize old people, but, come on, water under the bridge…”

  9. 9.

    Violet

    June 5, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Aww…Chuck Grassley as spurned wannabe girlfriend. Gotta be a reality show in there somewhere. “Real Whiners of D.C.”

  10. 10.

    sb

    June 5, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: Exactly.

  11. 11.

    MikeJ

    June 5, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    He’s just not that into you.

  12. 12.

    Forum Transmitted Disease

    June 5, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    “We had a meeting down at the White House about Aug. 5, 2009 — the six of us — and he asked me this question: ‘Would you be willing to be one or two or three Republicans voting with the Democrats to get a bipartisan bill?’ and I said, ‘No,’ ” Grassley recalled.

    “I never had a phone call from him since,” Grassley added.

    As part of his charm offensive, Obama has twice dined with groups of Senate Republicans. Grassley wasn’t invited.

    I don’t make it a habit of calling people who refuse to back me up when I need their support most, why should Obama?

    Swear to God, any random high school has more mature and responsible people in it than Congress does.

  13. 13.

    FourTen

    June 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Shorter Masser Grassley

    That boy hasn’t steppen’d or fetched it in four years.

  14. 14.

    tom

    June 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Just a heads up: no e at the end of “Herz”.

  15. 15.

    SatanicPanic

    June 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    If I were part of an American institution less popular than herpes I wouldn’t make this sort of comment.

  16. 16.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 5, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    MY heart pumps buttermilk for the vile Rethug tool Grassley.

    Go pound sand, asswipe.

  17. 17.

    eemom

    June 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    This Michelle Obama-LGBT heckler foofaraw is sort of interesting. (And I get to say foofaraw.)

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/lgbt-activist-michelle-obama-got-in-my-face-after-heckling-at-fundraiser/

  18. 18.

    Punchy

    June 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Grassley’s just pissed b/c he’s had to pick all his own cotton these past 4 years. Just where was Obama when Chuck really needed him?

  19. 19.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 5, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    So, he’s pining for him?

    He’s pining for the fjords. Beautiful plumage, don’t you think?

  20. 20.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    June 5, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Ach, Die Leiden des jungen Werthers.

  21. 21.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 5, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    @tom:

    Perhaps mistermix has more than one heart? Would that explain the “e”?

  22. 22.

    MGB

    June 5, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Not to be the grammar police, but technically, it is “Mein Herz schwimmt im Blut.”

    Heh…German grammar police.

  23. 23.

    TR

    June 5, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    All I did was work in complete bad faith with the president, completely flip-flop on my position on the individual mandate that was the centerpiece of his health care proposal, publicly call him “stupid” and spread total lies about “death panels” and other assorted bullshit, and he hasn’t reached out to me ever since!

  24. 24.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 5, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    @MGB:

    Heh…German grammar police.

    “Ve haff vays in Berlin of making you conjugate that are most unpleasant, I assure you!”

  25. 25.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 5, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    I’ll admit I thought Chuck Grassley was killed in the Obamacare Death Panels. Maybe Obama thought he got him.

  26. 26.

    scav

    June 5, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Polyglot pedantry!

  27. 27.

    Face

    June 5, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    German grammar police.

    You know who else had German police?

  28. 28.

    MikeJ

    June 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    @MGB: Grammatik wird euch frei machen.

  29. 29.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    June 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    @MGB: Well, either that or mistermix has very unusual anatomy and meant to say, “Meine Herzen schwimmen im Blut.”

  30. 30.

    shortstop

    June 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    This thread is a tall cool drink of yum.

  31. 31.

    mistermix

    June 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    @tom:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Herze_schwimmt_im_Blut,_BWV_199

    Could Wikipedia be wrong?

  32. 32.

    Amir Khalid

    June 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    @MGB:
    No. “My hearts are swimming in blood” would be Meine Herzen schwimmen im Blut.

    ETA:
    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
    Dang you.

  33. 33.

    Tractarian

    June 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    @TR:

    Wonder why the article doesn’t mention any of those important facts. It’s almost as if they are just acting as stenographers for Grassley.

    Maybe they though Grassley’s comments were so comical that they stand on their own?

  34. 34.

    piratedan

    June 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    I’m sure that Grassley has been called, he just doesn’t know to answer to “Stupid-Ass Motherfucker” is all.

  35. 35.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Is it possible Obama has indeed called but Grassley doesn’t know how to operate his Jitterbug mobile phone and can’t retrieve his voice mails?

  36. 36.

    danimal

    June 5, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    When I first read this, my first thought was “Grassley is a big dick.”

    Nothing has changed my mind.

  37. 37.

    Mandalay

    June 5, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Grassely must be one hell of a lousy lay.

    Maybe, but he’s certainly good at fucking people in the ass, and stabbing them in the back.

    I wonder if that might be why Obama never calls him?

  38. 38.

    JPL

    June 5, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @eemom: Why are some portraying a heckler as a victim?

  39. 39.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 5, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    @Tractarian:

    It’s almost as if they are just acting as stenographers for Grassley.

    /Claude Rains voice

    I’m shocked, shocked!

  40. 40.

    MGB

    June 5, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    @mistermix: D’oh! Dumbness felt. Oh well, I tried, and thank myself for playing.

  41. 41.

    MGB

    June 5, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    @mistermix: D’oh! Dumbness felt. Oh well, I tried, and thank myself for playing.

  42. 42.

    scav

    June 5, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Maybe he was aiming to explain how he rented a car in a very dodgy part of town? Up to the hubcaps in gore, they were.

  43. 43.

    mistermix

    June 5, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Also, too: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002K0X0QO

  44. 44.

    Amir Khalid

    June 5, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    @mistermix:
    Maybe it’s Johnny Bach’s 18th century spelling.

  45. 45.

    The Dangerman

    June 5, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Quick, everyone call Chuck’s phone and identify yourself as being from the White House.

    “Hey, Chuck, do you have Prince Albert in a can?”

  46. 46.

    The Other Chuck

    June 5, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):

    Well, either that or mistermix has very unusual anatomy and meant to say, “Meine Herzen schwimmen im Blut.”

    Perhaps mistermix is The Doctor?

  47. 47.

    jibeaux

    June 5, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    You want a booty call, you’re gonna have to live up to the name GrASSley….

  48. 48.

    jibeaux

    June 5, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Seriously, unless Obama has a road he wants blocked, I don’t know why he’d call a Republican senator.

  49. 49.

    scav

    June 5, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    @mistermix: ooooo Emma Kirkby. Huzzah for old-style German spellings and the detours they lead us into!

  50. 50.

    FlipYrWhig

    June 5, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    I still think not mobilizing to knock out this dipshit when he was up for re-election in 2010 was one of the liberal/left/”netroots”/Democratic Party’s most regrettable lost opportunities. At least give it Lincoln/Halter levels of engagement. You ought to be able to get solid liberalism out of Iowa and Iowans, certainly compared to Arkies (for better or worse, my ancestral people).

  51. 51.

    JCJ

    June 5, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    @MGB:

    You and Tom beat me to it. I was just on vacation in Germany last week so my brain is still half thinking in German. I am glad to have other members of the German grammar police force.

    @Amir Khalid, MGB and @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    You are all way to fast for me. Die deutsche Grammatikpolizisten herrschen über alles!

  52. 52.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 5, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    @mistermix: Can that locution fade into obscurity along with the bitch who coined it, please?

  53. 53.

    Gravenstone

    June 5, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: So he’s secretly Galifreyan?

  54. 54.

    NotMax

    June 5, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Remembrance of RFK’s shooting 45 years ago today.

  55. 55.

    mistermix

    June 5, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Bingo! Some people keep forgetting the first rule of Balloon Juice — it’s almost always a song reference.

  56. 56.

    jake the snake

    June 5, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    An old acquaintance of mine used to say, “My heart pumps piss for you” to indicate his lack of sympathy.
    Now I know where it originated.

  57. 57.

    Todd

    June 5, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    This is how it has always worked when somebody friendzones somebody else rudely.

    Chuck, 2008: “I am just not into you that way, Barack, but we can still be friends. Just don’t let any of my friends know we’re friends.”
    Barack, 2009-2013: (snub)
    Chuck, 2013: “Why don’t you want to be my friend, Barack? What did I do to make you hate me?”

  58. 58.

    JCJ

    June 5, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    @mistermix:

    Ah. Ich muß mich entschuldigen. Ich habe nicht an Musik gedacht.

  59. 59.

    Amir Khalid

    June 5, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    @Todd:
    I knows this great song about being friend-zoned.

  60. 60.

    JCJ

    June 5, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I did not realize friends referred to him as “Johnny.”

  61. 61.

    Tonal (visible) Crow

    June 5, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Then there’s this classic video, in which Grassley reacts to Obama’s win last November.

  62. 62.

    Brendan in NC

    June 5, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    i hate to tell Chuck, but his other friends, Reason and Sanity, stopped calling him earlier than Barack did.

  63. 63.

    Amir Khalid

    June 5, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    @JCJ:
    His buddy PDQ Bach calls him that.

  64. 64.

    eemom

    June 5, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    @JPL:

    Same reason they were portraying Medea Benjamin as a hero at the last Hecklergate, I guess.

  65. 65.

    Comrade Mary

    June 5, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Mein Herzog is fucking awesome. Really.

  66. 66.

    MikeJ

    June 5, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    @eemom: Vegetables and sleeveless dresses are all that’s stopping marriage equality. Michelle Obama is history’s greatest monster.

  67. 67.

    Roger Moore

    June 5, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    @JPL:

    Why are some portraying a heckler as a victim?

    Because they hate the hecklee. My enemy’s enemy, etc.

  68. 68.

    Ben Cisco

    June 5, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Nononono, no, no! ‘E’s resting!

  69. 69.

    Mnemosyne

    June 5, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    @eemom:

    We were talking about it yesterday. The whining is pretty fascinating:

    “Basically, I was asked by the first lady to be quiet, and I can’t be quiet any longer,” Sturtz told the Huffington Post. “I was surprised by how negative the crowd seemed to be. It was actually a little unsettling and disturbing.”

    It sounds like Sturtz expected to be able to interrupt an event that other people had paid good money to attend and win the crowd over to her side, and was upset because other people there told her to STFU. How delusional do you have to be to expect that?

  70. 70.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Do we have any evidence, any whatsoever, that Sen. Grassley knows how to operate a telephonic communications device? I’m not willing to extend that stipulation on blind faith.

  71. 71.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 5, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    @eemom: Did Mrs. O beat her down too? You know how violent Black girls can be.

  72. 72.

    Mnemosyne

    June 5, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    @JPL:

    Why are some portraying a heckler as a victim?

    Because she’s a white woman who was asked to be quiet by a black woman.

    No, seriously. Kurtz herself says she was “asked to be quiet,” which is apparently the worst crime ever committed against free speech. I’m not sure which interpretation of “free speech” says that the person being interrupted isn’t allowed to respond or ask the interrupter to be quiet, but it seems to be prevalent among some firebaggers.

  73. 73.

    burnspbesq

    June 5, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    @MGB:

    Die Grammatikpolizei sagen, Sie sind verhafet.

  74. 74.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 5, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Maybe someone cleaned “For a good time, call Chuck Grassley” off the downstairs men’s bathroom stall in the White House?

  75. 75.

    burnspbesq

    June 5, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Maybe someone cleaned “For a good time, call Chuck Grassley” off the downstairs men’s bathroom stall in the White House?

    You knew when you wrote it that that was likely to happen.

  76. 76.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 5, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: FTW!

    I thought Grassley had retired myself so you’re not too far off.

  77. 77.

    Amir Khalid

    June 5, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Well, she paid her $500 to get in too. And that entitled her to do whatever she pleased, including heckle the speaker everyone else paid to hear.

  78. 78.

    balconesfault

    June 5, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    From the article:

    Grassley blasted the president for failing to keep his promise, made at the start of his first term, to run the most transparent administration in history.
    …
    Grassley said the president has fallen far short of that pledge.

    “Historically in my time in the Senate, I’ve had problems with both Republican and Democratic presidents, but this president is the worst from this standpoint — his own benchmark,” Grassley said. “By his own benchmark this is the most stonewalling president this country has ever had.”

    Grassley doesn’t actually SAY which was the most transparent administration. Carter, maybe?

    That aside, it doesn’t matter that say Bush or Reagan may have stonewalled more in an absolute send … because Obama promised to be better. And therefore there’s a different metric to judge him by. Or something.

  79. 79.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 5, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    @balconesfault:

    Grassley doesn’t actually SAY which was the most transparent administration. Carter, maybe?

    Nixon. It was all over the television for a year and a half.

  80. 80.

    Todd

    June 5, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Did Mrs. O beat her down too? You know how violent Black girls can be.

    That sounds like it would have been fun viewing.

  81. 81.

    Citizen_X

    June 5, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    “That Barack HUSSEIN Obama, he’s not even American! He’s not even a Christian! He’s a dictator, an incompetent, he’s with our enemies, and he…he…sob!…he never calls! Booo hoohoooo!” [Runs away.]

  82. 82.

    ericblair

    June 5, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    Do we have any evidence, any whatsoever, that Sen. Grassley knows how to operate a telephonic communications device?

    Isn’t he the guy who tweets things like “przdnt Obummer dsnt want to talk to meeee y idunno very dscraging #worstpreznitEVAR &*^$*#(NO CARRIER”? Or is that some ten year old kid he keeps chained up in the storage room?

  83. 83.

    Shortstop

    June 5, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Mister, you’re en fuego today.

  84. 84.

    patroclus

    June 5, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Grassley made himself irrelevant in August 2009 – talk to him, don’t talk to him, his votes not going to change (on any issue, let alone his “signature” issue of an individual mandate to provide health insurance to the uninsured), so why bother?

    ENDA has no chance so long as the Republicans remain so relentlessly anti-gay, but Obama should sign the EO applicable to the federal government. I think the heckler would have been less rude and more convincing by merely asking a question during the Q and A period or by staying after the formal presentation to ask a question privately.

  85. 85.

    Bob In Portland

    June 5, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Has Grassley called Obama?

  86. 86.

    Maude

    June 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    @Trollhattan:
    I don’t think he knows how to do much of anything. His fee fees are hurt.
    I was fluent in German and I can’t understand what people here have written in it.

  87. 87.

    sb

    June 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    @Ben Cisco: Please to let me know in advance if I am ever on your bad side.

  88. 88.

    Paul in KY

    June 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    @MGB: I bet they have the coolest uniforms…

  89. 89.

    ranchandsyrup

    June 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    What would conservatoids do if they had no courtier press to help them turn lemons into lemon-wet-good-ade?

  90. 90.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    @mistermix:

    Must give a shout-out to the Lorraine Hunt Lieberson recording of this, in her collection of Bach cantatas. A stunning performance on its own merit that becomes heart-wrenching when you learn she would succumb to breast cancer three short years after recording it, having already endured the death of her sister from the same affliction. She sings “Ich habe genug” with the conviction of somebody facing her own mortality with savage certainty.

  91. 91.

    liberal

    June 5, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Douchbaggery endless—WashPost “afternoon buzz” is telling me: “Cuccinelli says he might be latest IRS target: AG says agency is withholding $125 million owed to Va., possibly in retaliation for his lawsuits.”

  92. 92.

    catclub

    June 5, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    @mistermix: SMP. Not my favorite aria, but he did love the altos.

  93. 93.

    RSA

    June 5, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    @MGB:

    Heh…German grammar police.

    No one expects the German grammar police!

    (Well, actually, we do…)

  94. 94.

    mike

    June 5, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    You didn’t try to call me. Sad face.

  95. 95.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Totally OT, any thoughts about the Colorado River ruling? Didn’t get much press here.

  96. 96.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    @RSA:

    I don’t live in a Low Country but I do have friends in low places, so I expect grammar Panzers next.

  97. 97.

    Paul in KY

    June 5, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: You are in fine form today!

  98. 98.

    balconesfault

    June 5, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    @patroclus:

    Grassley made himself irrelevant in August 2009 – talk to him, don’t talk to him, his votes not going to change (on any issue, let alone his “signature” issue of an individual mandate to provide health insurance to the uninsured), so why bother?

    That’s pretty much the entire GOP Senate caucus, isn’t it? I have a hard time believing that any non-wingnut reporters can carry off an interview with any of these drama queens without rupturing a spleen from repressing laughter.

  99. 99.

    Amir Khalid

    June 5, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    @Maude:
    We were just exchanging banter about the post headline. And doing a roll call of die Balloon Juicer deutsche Grammatikpolizei — the BJ German grammar police.

  100. 100.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 5, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    @Trollhattan: Trollhattan neutrality is a scrap of paper?

  101. 101.

    Maude

    June 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Ah, no wonder.
    I had a very hard time speaking it when I was first in a German speaking country. You should have seen people’s faces.
    I’m not fluent now.
    Thought I was slipping a few brain cells.

  102. 102.

    Maude

    June 5, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    OT

    Yahoo News headline

    Koman cancels races in 7 cities due to low turnout.
    Woot!

  103. 103.

    Raven

    June 5, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    @<a href="#comment-4473641@Trollhattan: I’m gazing out over the LowCountry as we speak.

  104. 104.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    On this point we cannot, nay, must not waffle.

  105. 105.

    Mnemosyne

    June 5, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    @Maude:

    I almost feel sorry for them. The story I read about it yesterday said that they didn’t realize that their major fundraisers were involved with multiple areas of women’s health, including Planned Parenthood, so they had no clue that dissing PP would piss off the people who were raising most of the money for Komen. Ooopsie!

  106. 106.

    Maude

    June 5, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    @Maude:
    Got it wrong. Cuts it’s 3 day races, not cancel.

  107. 107.

    tom

    June 5, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Nope. “Herz” is the only German neuter that takes an -en ending. Plural: Meine zwei Herzen.

  108. 108.

    Amir Khalid

    June 5, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    @Maude:
    Haven’t been anywhere near Germany since I was a toddler. I taught myself German a few years ago from an Oxford University Press self-instruction kit and a grammar textbook.
    ETA: I don’t get much opportunity to practice conversation, though; as you might guess, KL is not exactly full of German speakers.

  109. 109.

    patroclus

    June 5, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    @balconesfault: Pretty much the entire caucus but not all of them. McCain responds to flattery on some issues; Kirk and Collins are talk-to-able; Murkowski on some issues; Isakson somewhat; Hatch on occasion; Alexander somewhat. But not Grassley – he was Mr. Individual Mandate for over a decade; pretending that he cared about uninsured Americans with no health care and he completely tanked and parroted right wing talking points and lies. And has basically kept it up for nearly 4 years. The reason Obama hasn’t called Grassley is that it would be a complete waste of time.

  110. 110.

    Original Lee

    June 5, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    I wonder why I now have this song as an earworm as I read this thread.

  111. 111.

    Cassidy

    June 5, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Nope. Not a single bit. Hopefully it folds. They decided to inject their personal jeebus into what was supposed to be a scular entity and thye did it at a time when PP was a highly polarizing topic. They picked a side and they lost. Apparently her sister’s death isn’t as important as preaching to everyone. Fuck’em.

  112. 112.

    gelfling545

    June 5, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Soehow, I doubt many people would pay $500 to hear Ms. Kurtz. She made her point. She should be satisfied with that and stop whining about it.

  113. 113.

    JPL

    June 5, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    @Amir Khalid: The forum was a speech. It was not a town hall meeting where back and forth is allowed. She was rude and lacks common decency if she can’t recognize the difference. Rudeness has nothing to do with how much she paid.

  114. 114.

    pat

    June 5, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    @mistermix:
    I believe the modern German is correct with “Mein Herz.”

    I just did a quick search and it seems a LOT of CDs and articles use “Herze” and a LOT use “Herz.” Maybe it was different in Bach’s day……

    Any German / Bach scholars out there?

  115. 115.

    Davis X. Machina

    June 5, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    @patroclus: This is a grudge match. Grassley and Obama go waaaay back, to Iowa and 2007, and the Iraq war.

  116. 116.

    ranchandsyrup

    June 5, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    @Trollhattan: I was pretty sure it would be upheld. Easiest thing for Connelly to do. I need to go through the opinion some more. Salton Sea and Imperial County get the short end of the stick while San Diego benefits. I was hoping that some of the enviro issues would survive but they’ll have to start anew.

    The 2003 accord was an improvement but didn’t go far enough. Eventually we’re going to have to change pricing to reflect scarcity.

    What did you think?

  117. 117.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    @Cassidy:

    Her pulling down well over $600k/year comes across as a lot less “doing good in my sister’s memory” and a lot more “this is an awesome gig I have here.”

    FWIW the recent local Run for the Cure drew half as many runners as in ’12.

  118. 118.

    pat

    June 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    verhafTet

  119. 119.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 5, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    ChuckGrassley ✔ @ ChuckGrassley
    Constituents askd why i am not outraged at PresO attack on supreme court independence. Bcause Am ppl r not stupid as this x prof of con law

  120. 120.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Confess it’s pretty far off my radar, although there’s an indirect impact given SWP deliveries to SD County via…MWD? Crap, I can’t keep track.

  121. 121.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Yup, the heckler should neither be portrayed as a victim or as a hooligan. MO was speaking at a political event. That was her choice. In that arena, heckling is a reality (as is cell phone recording).

    If you can’t take the heat,….

  122. 122.

    Davis X. Machina

    June 5, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Eventually we’re going to have to change pricing to reflect scarcity.

    The temerity! To suggest a market-based solution!

  123. 123.

    Amir Khalid

    June 5, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    @JPL:
    Per the Washington Post:

    Sturtz said she paid $500 to attend the fundraiser, part of a protest cooked up by the gay rights group GetEqual, which gained notice in Obama’s first term for hectoring him during speeches and demanding more action on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues.

    Ellen Sturz made a point of mentioning how much she paid to get in, although like you I don’t see its relevance. And she and her group have heckled Barack Obama’s speeches before, apparently in the belief that it’s the right way to go about … well, “protesting” doesn’t seem the right word for demanding that the President do what he wants to do, and is planning to do in any case.

  124. 124.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    @JPL: It was a political event. Protest might be a bit boorish, but not exceptional. It is a right all of us enjoy and more of us might want to use.

  125. 125.

    IowaOldLady

    June 5, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Cripes. This guy is one of my senators, and yet it’s the other one who’s retiring.

    Why would anyone call Chuck Grassley?

  126. 126.

    ranchandsyrup

    June 5, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: Heh. It took me some time to come around to this position and I’m still wary. But we have to work on both the supply side and the usage side. Behavior won’t change with artificially low pricing in the southwest.

  127. 127.

    Central Planning

    June 5, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Perhaps mistermix has more than one heart?

    He must be a time lord.

  128. 128.

    ranchandsyrup

    June 5, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    @Trollhattan: There is an impact for you in that SD firmed up their source from CO River so we won’t come looking for more water from y’all. We get about 30% from the delta right now and 50% from CO river.

  129. 129.

    LAC

    June 5, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    World: OMG, Grassley! Like, send like, a text, to, like, Amanda in math. She’ll know what is going on. OMG, I would die!

  130. 130.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    June 5, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    From someone both aged and cynical, this thread is chock full of win. I doff my hat to y’all.

  131. 131.

    JPL

    June 5, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    @Keith G: @Amir Khalid:
    Michelle Obama is not an elected official. I have no problem questioning the actions of elected officials and expressing opinions but the only reason you heckle is to get on the news.

  132. 132.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    @JPL: She chose to speak a a political event, an event raising money so that a political organization might be more successful in its quest to be a more powerful force in this country’s government.

    Sounds like an excellent place to protest.

    If that were First Lady Ann Romney speaking at a GOP fundraiser (and someone bought me a ticket) I would be so there asking her why she was happy with her hubby’s war on Planned Parenthood.

  133. 133.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    @JPL:

    This. Speaking truth to power doesn’t de facto extend to speaking truth to somebody frequently adjacent to power. And frankly, FLOTUS has been scrupulous about staying clear of policy and governance, knowing the shitstorm it would create. (Recalling the heartfelt Republican welcome for FLOTUS Hillary.)

  134. 134.

    Trollhattan

    June 5, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Westlands would still like it all, regardless. Okay, Westlands and the frackers.

  135. 135.

    eemom

    June 5, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    @Keith G:

    What do you think Michelle Obama should have said/done?

  136. 136.

    JCJ

    June 5, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    @Original Lee:

    OMG! That album came out around the time I went to school in Hamburg. The Spider Murphy Gang played a concert in the Stadtpark that I went to see. The big hit was “Skandal im Sperrbezirk.”

  137. 137.

    Todd

    June 5, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    @Keith G:

    She chose to speak a a political event, an event raising money so that a political organization might be more successful in its quest to be a more powerful force in this country’s government.

    Cry havoc, and let slip the firebaggers of tears. Free Mumia, man. Toss some glitter, fire up the incense, and populate the drum circle.

    LOL

    Once more, I’m greatly saddened that there wasn’t a burly cop with a 10 D cell maglite present, and that said nonexistent maglite was not used to split the heckler’s skull open like an overripe cantaloupe.

  138. 138.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    @Trollhattan: I imagine that Ellen Sturtz not trying to speak truth to power as much as she was trying to raise awareness of an important civil rights issue. ‘Mission accomplished’ in that all the reports I read today mentioned her stated concerns.

    Michelle is in good company, though…..

    Grieving Mom Heckles Laura Bush

  139. 139.

    ranchandsyrup

    June 5, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    @Trollhattan: Westlands. Your favorite.

    But but fracking will make us energy independent. Who needs potable water when we have freedom juice?

  140. 140.

    Todd

    June 5, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    @eemom:

    What do you think Michelle Obama should have said/done?

    Whimperingly accept the scolding of one of her lily white emoprogs betters, of course. Followed by begging her husband to abdicate his powers to a hackeysack soaked in patchouli.

  141. 141.

    Todd

    June 5, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    @Keith G:

    ‘Mission accomplished’ in that all the reports I read today mentioned her stated concerns.

    Actually, “don’t give a shit” gives way to “mild antipathy” every time one of these fucking hecklers opine.

    When President Santorum starts rounding up folks for ex-gaying camps, I’m just gonna laugh.

  142. 142.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    @Todd: So if this were a person of color concerned about racism in our federal penal system heckling a GOP fundraiser (again, let’s say Ann Romney), you would support a burly cop with a 10 D cell maglite used to split the heckler’s skull open like an overripe cantaloupe.?

    Good. To. Know.

  143. 143.

    Comrade Mary

    June 5, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    @tom:

    Meine zwei Herzen.

    Is that a stripey scarf I see?

  144. 144.

    metricpenny

    June 5, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Not necessary to get physical.

    Women from the Southside of Chicago just need a tone and a look.

  145. 145.

    FlipYrWhig

    June 5, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    @Keith G: Has any disinterested observer ever come away from an encounter with a heckler thinking that the heckler had a good point and should be heard more? The point is to disrupt and be unpleasant to make a point. OK, then. Is the point ever made? Seems like it’s doomed to be even less popular than a march or a strike, which don’t usually go over that well themselves in this country, but at least have the advantage of showing mass support. One person yelling seems like a very bad way to garner positive attention for anything.

  146. 146.

    Shortstop

    June 5, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I have no problem with someone paying to get into a political fundraiser and then trying,
    however ineptly, to heckle the speaker, however much the speaker is actually peripheral to the object of policy change. If Sturtz thinks this is an effective way to make her point, she can knock herself out.

    The problem is with her simultaneously naive, arrogant and self-deluded belief that once she heckled, the hecklee and audience didn’t have a perfect right to tell her to pipe the fuck down. In the fantasies of so many hecklers, their audiences, once struck by the force of the finally unvarnished, blinding truth, will either 1) fall back amazed and gratified at having been shown the way or 2) will curl up furious and speechless at having been so expertly dissed in a few words. The hecklers never fail to be stunned when neither happens.

  147. 147.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    @eemom: I am less concerned about her than I am about people who seem to want to have protest stifled as long as they like the object of the protest. Stop being precious. We liked playing tough when the other guys were in power.

    I wasn’t really fond of her threatening to take her speech and go home, but she gets to make her own choices. I do wonder about her staff work. I hope someone like her “playing politics” at this level (the highest we have), has been given pointers and practice about handling hecklers. Her husband had the right idea – a method any political speaker should consider.

    To be clear, if she was addressing a group of school kids (non politicians) about her diet and exercise initiative (non political), a heckler would have been totally unacceptable.

  148. 148.

    MattR

    June 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    @Shortstop: This is pretty much how I feel. If she wants to interrupt and heckle to try and make her point, that is her perogative. But don’t assume that you will be “treated like liberators”, to borrow a phrase from the previous administration. The people in attendence may support your goals but that does not mean that they will also support your disruption of an event that they paid to attend.

  149. 149.

    Mnemosyne

    June 5, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    @Keith G:

    I wasn’t really fond of her threatening to take her speech and go home, but she gets to make her own choices.

    So the heckler has freedom of speech, but Michelle Obama doesn’t?

    As I said above, that’s always what gets me about free speech advocates — they don’t seem to realize that, yes, they have a right to say their piece, but then their opponent has an equal right to respond. I don’t see what the problem was with Mrs. Obama saying that if Ms. Kurtz wanted the microphone that badly, she would leave and let Ms. Kurtz have it.

    You’re not being “silenced” if you say your piece and the other person responds to it.

  150. 150.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: Sometimes getting a headline is an accomplishment. though, it it rarely is enough. What matters now is what comes next. I recall how pissed off many New Yorkers were during the early days of ACT UP. Those folks did not play nice. And yes, eventually more conventional discourse was required.

    A woman, who is married to the world’s most famous community activist/organizer, just got a big hello from another activist. It’s a funny world.

  151. 151.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Bullshit

    I will not play along as you play your fucking deranged game of putting words on the keyboards of others. You try this every day, you get called out, and yet here you come at it again.

  152. 152.

    TR

    June 5, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    @Keith G:

    Heckling is a reality at $500-a-person private fundraisers?

    Put down the bong, dude.

  153. 153.

    Mnemosyne

    June 5, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    @Keith G:

    I think I asked this question before, but the thread had died before you were able to answer:

    IIRC (and I plead to having been in junior high and only getting my information through the national media), most of ACT-UP’s actions were against people they felt were blocking treatment for AIDS patients, like staging protests during Masses that were presided over by the obstructionist Catholic cardinal in New York. Was there also a lot of internecine protesting between different factions that supported the same general actions that didn’t get as much publicity?

  154. 154.

    Mnemosyne

    June 5, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    @Keith G:

    I will not play along as you play your fucking deranged game of putting words on the keyboards of others. You try this every day, you get called out, and yet here you come at it again.

    Then what did you mean when you said Mrs. Obama “gets to make her own choices”? It sounded like you were criticizing Mrs. Obama’s actions. Was that not what you meant?

  155. 155.

    TR

    June 5, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    @IowaOldLady:

    Why would anyone call Chuck Grassley?

    Insomnia?

  156. 156.

    WereBear

    June 5, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    I was somewhat more tolerant of Bush being heckled, since he pointedly shut down protest anywhere near him. Anyone who got through regardless deserves at least a “well played, sir or madam!”

    But on the whole, it’s rude and wrong and thoughtless and pointless. I’m always up for defending liberal ideas, but I’m not going to get into a shouting match with someone when I’m invited for dinner.

    Heckling is the cheapest form of narcissism.

  157. 157.

    TR

    June 5, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    You’re not being “silenced” if you say your piece and the other person responds to it.

    You’re especially not being silenced if you rudely interrupt the person everyone else was there to hear and then she offers you the fucking microphone.

    This woman is no different from Joe Wilson. No, she’s worse. At least Wilson didn’t act like the victim.

  158. 158.

    eemom

    June 5, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    @Keith G:

    I think you have the better of the argument as to points (1) it was a political event, and (2) most people here would be falling all over themselves to cheer for your hypothetical Ann Romney heckler.

    For myself, I certainly don’t see the heckler as a victim and I don’t think heckling is a good tactic to call attention to an issue when the issue has nothing to do with the event. As for MO’s reaction, I have a sort of instinctive appreciation for anyone who tells someone acting like an asshole to STFU…..OTOH, MO does enjoy a certain “she can do no wrong” idolatry, in general, that I don’t subscribe to.

  159. 159.

    eemom

    June 5, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    You’re not being “silenced” if you say your piece and the other person responds to it.

    Handing her the microphone and saying “it’s me or her” is not a response. As I said above, I’m fine with it as a reaction — but a “response”, it is not.

  160. 160.

    eemom

    June 5, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    feh, blockquote fail.

  161. 161.

    Eric U.

    June 5, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    I don’t see anything wrong with the heckler, but the implication that something wrong was done in response is ridiculous. You heckle, you get shown out of the room. If Michelle Obama wants to make that person look bad for being rude, I see nothing wrong with that either. It’s not like there are going to be any sort of lasting repercussions for her actions. Just because she’s making herself look like a deluded buffoon doesn’t reflect on the administration at all.

  162. 162.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 5, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    OK, the Hochdeutsche Grammatikpolizisten have spoken.

    The obvious out is to just BS your way through and say it’s idiomatic dialect…blame Schwäbisch, that’s always a likely sell.

  163. 163.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    @TR: $500 fundraising political events are great ways to keep noise from troubling the powerful. I am glad that it doesn’t always work.

    @Mnemosyne: I will try this once

    Me:
    “I wasn’t really fond of her threatening to take her speech and go home, but she gets to make her own choices”.

    You:
    “So the heckler has freedom of speech, but Michelle Obama doesn’t?”

    Let me try:
    To my simple mind, the style to not be fond is a way to say, “To me it could have been done in a better way”. But notice that I did not say MO had no right to respond and regain the focus of her comments.

    Her speech, she gets to make that call. I get to wonder if it could have been handled differently.

    So for you to slyly present that I was implying that ‘ the heckler has freedom of speech but Michelle Obama doesn’t’ is a construct so wild that it’s origins confuse me.

    But yes folks it was a stunt. Just like when the grieving mother of a KIA soldier interrupted Laura Bush, it was a stunt.

    In this context, stunts are rude. It’s why they are called a stunt and why it is used as an attention getting activity by those who can’t get their calls put through to the powerful. And it is very American.

  164. 164.

    Mnemosyne

    June 5, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    @eemom:

    Handing her the microphone and saying “it’s me or her” is not a response. As I said above, I’m fine with it as a reaction — but a “response”, it is not.

    Meh, fair enough, I guess. I guess I’m still gobsmacked from the sense of entitlement that made Ms. Kurtz whine later about how it was so unfair that she was asked to be quiet and how shocked she was that the other guests seemed to agree with Mrs. Obama and not with her. I still think she had a whole “speaking truth to power” fantasy in her head of turning the crowd against Mrs. Obama that just didn’t play out the way she wanted.

  165. 165.

    Mnemosyne

    June 5, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    @Keith G:

    To my simple mind, the style to not be fond is a way to say, “To me it could have been done in a better way”. But notice that I did not say MO had no right to respond and regain the focus of her comments.

    Okay, fair enough. Thank you for clarifying.

    I am genuinely curious about the ACT-UP question, because I was too young to really get most of the details at the time. I think there was some discussion of different factions starting to fight each other as time went on in And the Band Played On, but I’d be interested to hear from someone who was actually there.

  166. 166.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    @eemom:

    For myself, I certainly don’t see the heckler as a victim

    And while I am sure that you noticed it, let me point out for others that in my first comment, I noted that I felt that the notion of a victim was not warranted.

  167. 167.

    Keith G

    June 5, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    @Mnemosyne: To keep it short. The original ACT UP crowd were in a sense revolutionaries, but revolutionaries are only good at doing a limited and specific list of things.

    At some point there is a need and (thanks to the revolutionaries) a space for dialogue and bridge-building – to paraphrase Ecclesiastes 3:1 “There is a time for everything” and sometimes the necessary noise makers cannot integrate into the efforts of cooperation and governance.

    Edited

  168. 168.

    Original Lee

    June 5, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    @JCJ: I have that album on cassette tape. I guess I’m older than dirt.

  169. 169.

    shortstop

    June 5, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    @Keith G: But Sturtz apparently does see herself that way, based on her comments after the fact. Many of us are addressing that, not simply responding to you.

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