Unofficial Manning case trail transcripts are available here. Military courts-martial do not release daily transcripts. They only release documents on FOIA requests. The fine people at the linked site are paying a qualified court reporter to sit in the gallery and take transcription, and the Military Judge is allowing this. If you value this service, you might want to toss them some coin.
Yahoo’s coverage is here.
The Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) is going on in Las Vegas Los Angeles.
Girl who sparked debate gets lung transplant
After scouts lift gay ban, Baptist group calls for firings
French Teacher screens the movie “Saw” for his 6th grade class, gets suspended.
Oh, yeah, there’s this, too:
Cassidy
I like the one going around FB about sharing your posts with everyone, just friends and CIA, just CIA…it made me giggle.
Todd
I keep another version of that jpg here at work, but it says “my husband does everything I ask, but not the way I’d do it.”
MikeJ
It’s sickening that judges are making decisions about transplants instead of doctors. I hope the kid does ok but we’ll never know if somebody else got bumped due to lack of a PR team and a lawyer.
muddy
I know this is a typo, but I wish it were true.
Cassidy
@MikeJ: IIRC, it wasn’t the doctors making the decision. It was her treatment team that said it could be done with an adult organ, but the policies for the transplant list kept it from happenning. The response from the gov’t was that the policies would be reviewed, but that could take a while.
I get it. I’d do anything to keep my kids from dying too.
Suffern ACE
I wonder if autocorrect is the NSA trying to correct my ideas while they are forming.
For Sooner, the question is why the Baptists are upset by a life gay ban. I thought that’s what they wanted? Or is that just the NSA fucking with our little blog? Is that true, or is it the Booz talking?
Cassidy
@muddy: I would happily provide a firing squad for them.
Violet
Showing “Saw” to twelve year olds in class? Ugh. Lots of kids don’t like scary movies or violent movies. If it’s shown in class they’re kind of stuck there. I’d be ticked off if I were a parent of one of those kids.
Cassidy
@Violet: At least it was the first one. The rest were horrible.
MikeJ
@Cassidy: Doctors wrote the policy for the transplant list, and they do it based on science. The reason why policy for the transplant list doesn’t give adult organs to children is that they don’t work as well.
Sure, if I were the parents I’d do anything I could to save my kid. So would everybody on the waiting list. That’s why there’s a procedure that doesn’t include judges.
muddy
@Cassidy: I was just commenting on the difference between life and lift. However I have many horror stories about interacting with Southern Baptists, and I am sympathetic to your statement there. ;)
Violet
@Cassidy: I don’t watch movies like that. Wouldn’t know.
From the Boy Scout article:
Yes, because now all the Scouts will be like OMG! Does he like me? I mean, like like me?
max
Oh, yeah, there’s this, too:
Stolen.
Muddy: I have many horror stories about interacting with
Southernthe fucking Baptists, and I am sympathetic to your statement there.Fixed and seconded.
max
[‘When will Congress demand the NSA enact a profanity ban? I mean, the hall monitors that populate Congress have to do something.’]
Cassidy
@MikeJ: Okay. I’m not gonna argue about it. Doctors said it could be done. If that’s the case, based on science, then the policy needed to be reviewed. It’s no more immoral to bump someone down the list than it is to let patients die because a policy review takes approximately three years. Is what it is.
Either way, it wasn’t judges that said to do it over the howls and protestations of doctors and FUCK YEAH! SCIENCE!.
Scott S.
@Violet: They could have at least shown them a better movie…
Mnemosyne
@Cassidy:
What, he didn’t show them a French horror film Haute tension or Martyrs? I’m sure the Academie Francaise will be howling for him to be disciplined just for that.
(Seriously, though French horror films are extremely hard-core, far beyond Saw and its imitators.)
Cassidy
@muddy: I grew up and now live in the South.
@Violet: The first one was rough, but not nearly as bad as the others. The first one at least told a coherent story and was a decent movie instead of being straight torture porn. That aside, I don’t watch movies like that either. I finished out the Saw series because I started it. I saw the first Hostel and thought it was stupid. I love horror movies, but violence and depravity for the sake of violence and depravity makes a dumb movie.
scav
So maybe the Southern Babtists can flee to Russia for asylum along with Free-Speach Snowden and Tax-Avoider Depardieu?
Russia passes law banning gay ‘propaganda’
Cassidy
@Mnemosyne: Love Haute Tension. I haven’t seen the other one. I’m the only one in my house who appreciates movies with subtitles, so I don’t get to watch them very often. I agree about French horror movies; they’re either completely out there or just ape-shit violent. Did you see Frontière(s)?
jl
People can file the following in their personal Annals of the GOP Outreach.
GOP Congressman: Pregnancy Rate From Rape Is ‘Very Low’
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-congressman-pregnancy-rate-from-rape-is-very
GOP to Vote on Outlawing Abortion
House set to vote on nationwide ban on abortions past 20 weeks
http://editors.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/06/gop_to_vote_on_outlawing_abortion.php
Edit: I go with the ‘Biden Maxim’ : restrictions on abortion should increase as the viability of fetus increases. Biden in his interview gave a simple trimester rule on relative rights of mother versus fetus. But, if a fetus has a problem and will never be viable, then any blanket ban is inappropriate. I think all sane men and women can understand the logic. Especially women, who merely have their lives at stake during a pregnancy.
So, carry on with the outreach, GOP!
kdaug
(Psst: E3’s in LA, not Vegas).
Seanly
I love gaming (a bit sad now that I’m 45), but I rarely pay attention to E3. I’m like the rest of the universe & upset about the tyrannical changes coming to the Xbox. How’s the PS4 looking (besides $100 cheaper)?
It’s good that little girl got lungs, but won’t the new ones also be compromised by her cystic fibroist? I’m not very knowledgable about the disease…
I wasn’t so shocked to hear that Baptists groups are dropping Scout troops, but was surprised that Mormoms aren’t.
Why would a French teacher show “Saw”? Why not something where they speak French like “Belle de Jour” or that terrible parkor action flic John Cole recommended a few days ago?
Patricia Kayden
That photo is hilarious! I’d implore NSA to send her a back up file given those tears!
scav
Never try to edit a long post on a ipod. I can’t wait to see what emerges on my moderated one. Block quote FYWP doubling all in one tidy singular package. whee!
ETA, so it made it! I was expecting slightly worse.
Todd
@jl:
Focused like a laser on jobs and the economy, they are.
Cassidy
@Seanly: Screw the PS4. Go buy a bunch of 360’s right now, the cheap ones with the 4GB hard drive. If you’ve already got one with the 250GB, you’re good to go. Swap out drives as needed and you have several years of back up 360’s and a catalog of games you can’t possibly conquer any time soon.
Patricia Kayden
@jl: An interesting approach to creating jobs, no?
Seanly
No edit on IE9 (work won’t allow IE10) – Intended edit – I see it is actually a teacher in France, not a teacher of French.
smintheus
Ok, c’mon and date yourself: Are you rooting tonight against the Black Hawks or the Blackhawks?
soonergrunt (test)
test, test, test.
Is this thing on?
EDIT–I can haz edit function on IE9 with highly restrictive firewall?
EDIT 2–I can! I can haz edit function on IE9 with highly restrictive firewall! The problem isn’t with the site or with IE9.
Trollhattan
@soonergrunt (test):
Well, you can’t (kain’t!) with IE8 (ask me how I know…)
Soonergrunt
@Trollhattan: (raises hand) Ooh, ooh, ooh! Is it because IE8 sucked nine ways from Sunday?
Mnemosyne
@Seanly:
Our French teacher(1) showed us Diva, which I vaguely remember being pretty good.
(1) As in, our French class in an American high school, not a teacher in France.
@Cassidy:
I’m a horror fan, but I’ve lost some of my stomach for it as I get older. Plus G is Not A Fan, so I can really only watch it when he’s not home.
Forum Transmitted Disease
Conservatives:
Yeah, fuck if I know either. Ten years ago, even in California it was perfectly fine to call a fag a fag. Now even my elderly mom gets all up in my business if I use the word around her. She used to hate them too, now she’s watching their shit on TV every day. Says they’re funny and nice. I blame the liberal media. Now even the Boy Scouts are letting them in: yeah, the fucking Boy Scouts for fuck’s sake. And the Catholics and the Mormons, the last two groups on the planet who I thought would be OK with this, are OK with this.
I sympathize.
But the reason I’m writing this is to give you a head’s up. Shit’s obviously changed. It’s going down just like it did with the blacks back in the 60s. And the way things are going, it’s going to be Archie Bunker time all over again in a couple of years, where people fighting the good fight are just going to have to shut up, grind their teeth and deal, because the powers that be have spoken: Gay is OK. And everyone’s just going to have to suck it up or drink themselves to death, just like my old man did after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. I know that’s some bitter shit to swallow but the battle’s lost. Move on.
Why do I care? Well, it’s like this: either you guys get with the program or it’s gonna be bitches and darkies in the White House until Kingdom Come. And I can’t handle that, you guys, I just can’t. So quit beating your brains out. I ain’t saying you gotta invite them over for dinner but at least stop yelling about it in public so we can pretend we’re nice people, and get a white guy back in the White House. I know it will make you feel a lot better when that happens. Me too, trust me, me too.
Your best bud,
Libertarian Guy
pacem appellant
I’m really glad she got her lung transplant (so glad, in fact, that I exhaled with relief when I read the article), but can her damn mother shut up already about the god stuff? Jesus tapdancing Christ, she needs to be thanking her PR manager and her daughter’s doctors, as well as the poor soul whose extinguished life is the source of her daughter’s vitality. Plenty of deserving people die from a lack of transplant. Does her god hate them, or is the almighty playing favorites? Either way, her god doesn’t look so great.
? Martin
@Forum Transmitted Disease:
Do we get to vote? That would make it so much easier…
Flying Squirrel Girl
OT Snowden reveals secret US hacking program to China
As was stated in the comments at LGF, so he went to an authoritarian regime to expose what he deems an authoritarian regime?
Cassidy
@Flying Squirrel Girl: Oh, but just yesterday people were telling us he’s a hero and whistleblower! They couldn’t be wrong, could they?
Soonergrunt
@Flying Squirrel Girl: But, but, but, he’s not a traitor! Glenn Greenwald told us so!
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Flying Squirrel Girl: And the Chinese are laughing their asses off: “you call THAT a secret hacking program? Come here, gweilo, check it out – THIS is a secret hacking program! Yours is like something we have schoolkids cobble together for fun.”
Flying Squirrel Girl
@Soonergrunt: I can’t wait to see which side Tea Baggers embrace: communist China or the US?
cleek
hoping for injuries…
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/peter-king-calls-for-legal-action-to-be?ref=fpa
Frankensteinbeck
@scav:
An absolutely unanimous vote among 436 people about an issue of sexual morality? Yeah, THAT’S definitely not a sign that the Duma is a rubber stamp under someone (presumably Putin)’s tyrannical control. God damn, Russia, I’m sorry. No snark, I hate to see the nation slide back under the Soviet thumb.
shortstop
@? Martin: Actually, both tracks are available to choose from, because FREEDOM!
shortstop
@Flying Squirrel Girl: Put this in their terms: Chinese communists or the black guy in the White House? I think you have your answer.
Mnemosyne
@Flying Squirrel Girl:
I’m waiting for El Tiburon or Rex Everything to show up and explain it all for us. After all, I’m sure there’s some completely liberal, freedom-loving answer for why Snowden is giving top-secret information to the Chinese that has nothing at all to do with spying for them. He had to do it because he was askeered of the US government, and only the Chinese could protect him from Barack Obama’s wrath!
Flying Squirrel Girl
@shortstop: I wish you weren’t spot on. *sigh*
Higgs Boson's Mate
Um, not to interrupt a good hate, but weren’t the first stories about Snowden’s revelations re NSA data gathering proved to be largely bullshit?
Carry on.
lol
It’s weird how Richard Armitage didn’t receive much support during the protracted and politically motivated smear campaign that emerged after he exposed nepotism at the CIA.
SatanicPanic
@Forum Transmitted Disease: Haha, I hate libertarians
El Caganer
@Flying Squirrel Girl: And I’m sure it came as a great surprise to them…..
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Frankensteinbeck: You fail to appreciate, as most Americans do, that the average Russian citizen makes your garden-variety teabagger look like a pot-smoking hippie by way of comparison. My sister-in-law is back there right now (she’s native). My brother and their child (a full Russian citizen) dare not go any more because of the violence and nastiness directed at anyone who might possibly not be Russian. Their accents are wrong.
Yeah, Putin’s a dictator, but he’s not exactly swimming against the tide of what his people want.
El Caganer
Here’s some more charming ephemera in re Trayvon Martin’s ‘street attitude.’
http://wonkette.com/519349
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: Nothing’s proven because the NSA isn’t exactly confirming or denying anything that he claims.
But some of the money figures in his stuff are just not possible. Way too cheap. My truthiness is telling me very strongly that something’s hinky about his whole deal, but I don’t know what and am just going to let it sort itself out.
jl
@Flying Squirrel Girl: IMHO, the whole civil liberties / national security / military industrial private contract complex situation in this country is so screwed up, one should expect screw ups on a regular basis.
So, I don’t see the point in focusing on whether people like Snowden are traitors or heroes. The individual shouldn’t be the focus.
Private contractors get (I think) more than half of the national security surveillance budget. We know they have tried to cooperate with their big corporate buddies to convert national security information they collect into weapons to attack anyone who wants to blow any whistles on big finance.
Influential Congresscritters are just fine with the situation. Graham is out today saying that if surveillance of snail mail would improve national security, then he would approve of that.
Well, if he goes along with the Cheney one percent doctrine, you can make a case that spying on U.S. mail would improve security. So why doesn’t Graham go on the Sunday talkies and advocate the government snooping on paper mail, while the news actors that host the shows nod sagely?
If Snowden goes yapping to the Chinese about our cyberwar countermeasures against them, then he is a fool or a knave (edit: or trying to save his skin, as a commenter above pointed out). But to focus solely on him and what he is doing, is a mistake.
We have a gigantic out of control secret surveillance state, outsourced to hundreds of sketchy corporations with massive conflicts of interests and corruption in the U.S. And that seems to be just fine with most of Congress.
Focusing on Snowden too much, or even the evil genius, traitor to the progressive cause (soon to be lame duck) Obama, is not very useful in solving the mess.
Corner Stone
Well, since this is a link to LGF that links to BI that links to a dead link I say we burn the witch!
piratedan
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: well I guess you could say that the first pass through the grinder indicated that yes, the NSA was in fact collecting data, since the Patriot Act passed, nothing to see here. Then we’re told that GG has this big shocking revelation regarding the abuses inherent in the system that would prove that somebody somewhere is breaking the law AND establish his sources bonafides.
Still waiting on that.
AFAIK nobody claimed that this guy didn’t have access to something, but what and how sensitive it was hadn’t yet been determined, all the while calling bullshit on where he ran to and why he ran there. Now he’s swapping stories with the PRC (if you can believe their state controlled media) and I’m sure he can share some details with them that they may not have been privy to…. so you tell me, how did this evolve from “OMG they’re spying on us!” to the guy supposedly flipping details to the Chinese? Did this guy play WaPo and GG? Was he spying for the money or the thrill or because he’s a true libertarian who knows no nationality because it’s all about himself?:
who knows……
Alex S.
Shit gets real, Rep. King wants to jail Greenwald:
Corner Stone
Anyone cheering on Peter King’s initiative to have reporters jailed should check their authoritarian index rating.
Trollhattan
@Soonergrunt:
Give that man a prize! Also, too, would somebody tell a Certain Employer that four browser years is roughly equivalent to four dead carp years. Doesn’t even work correctly with some intranet content, much less with external Java or Flash crap.
Grrrr.
Am led to uinderstand a lot of companies and organizations stick with IE8 because it’s needed to work with a lot of XP-based legacy internal systems. Way beyond my paygrade to know whether that’s just a handy excuse.
raven
@Corner Stone: So a reporter doesn’t have to obey the law? Which law? All of them or just the one’s that are convenient?
bruins01
(Not that it really matters, but E3 is happening in Los Angeles, not Las Vegas…)
Trollhattan
OK1 rep Bridenstine wants Obummer to apologize. You’re gonna love why.
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/06/12/18921165-oklahomas-bridenstine-wants-a-presidential-apology
Gorsh, I wonder what the Republican history of fighting for more NOAA funding might be?
Darkrose
@Forum Transmitted Disease: A lot of Russians have come to Sacramento in recent years. More specifically, Russian evangelical Christians. It’s kind of scary; they’ve been all up in the anti-gay activism, including at least one instance of gay bashing that left a guy dead. I was horrified when a Russian former co-worker that I’d been on friendly terms with started posting “Yes on 8” banners to his LiveJournal in 2008 (though that may have been an attempt at closeting on his part). Initially, I thought it was like the old Malcolm X quote about the first word new immigrants learn, but it seems that homophobia knows no national boundaries.
raven
jl
Three things I do like about the NSA/Snowden scandal, is that
one, it concerns actual important policy issues
two, it seems to have wiped the bogus IRS, whatever the other ones were, scandals off the map
three, no way GOP can maintain discipline on this one to force a bogus focus on the evil master genius / inadequate blah man Obama. King is yelling insane things. And Graham says he would TOTALLY FINE with spying on domestic paper mail, if it ‘improved’ national security. (edit: then Graham implies we are still in a WWII security situation)
Downside is that Snowden may know enough to blow some important secret NSA national security efforts. The fact that these important secret NSA national security efforts have been implemented with a flawed legislation in a corrupt system doesn’t change the fact that very important secret information might have been revealed. But we don’t know that yet.
El Caganer
@Trollhattan: Dude’s bucking for a Gohmert Award.
lol
@Corner Stone:
I don’t think anyone’s cheering King, just hoping they lock themselves in a room together and never com eout.
schrodinger's cat
Rubio has proposed an amendment to the immigration bill requiring English proficiency for permanent residency.
Soonergrunt
@Corner Stone: I haven’t seen anyone around here cheering that on or advocating it or supporting it. I certainly don’t. The idea of putting reporters who do their jobs in jail is anathema to a free society.
Now, if you wanted to throw Greenwald in jail for being Greenwald, well, that’s illegal too, but I could sympathize.
MomSense
@shortstop:
Wait, but the black guy in the White House is a communist too….I SMELL FALSE FLAG!!!
Corner Stone
@raven: That’s bogus and you know it. Not really even worth addressing.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Alex S.: The last thing any of us need is to give Gigli an excuse to up his martyr quotient.
piratedan
@schrodinger’s cat: shame it’s not retroactive, we could remove half the R’s from Congress. When’s the last time Gohmert’s said anything that resembled a legitimate sentence?
Seanly
@soonergrunt (test):
I did haz edit function when the site update rolled out. Now I don’t see it & my HTML-fu is pretty bad. Easier to just post a second time. Probably all the same to the NSA bots reading the website.
Soonergrunt
@bruins01: fixed!
Corner Stone
@Forum Transmitted Disease: Who is Gigli?
Forum Transmitted Disease
@schrodinger’s cat: As I predicated yesterday. The GOP desperately needs the votes but fears the inevitable primary far more. Might not make it out of the Senate. No way will it make it out of the House.
raven
@Corner Stone: right
piratedan
@Corner Stone: Gigli=The Glenster, Robin Glen, The Gleannator, Sock Puppet Master, He Who Must Not Be Contradicted… he has many names amongst his followers.
sacrablue
@Darkrose: Tell me about it. My neighborhood is fairly ethnically mixed. At the height of the housing boom, many Russians bought houses here. The “yes on 8” yard signs sprung up like dandilions. Now most of those houses are repos or rentals.
? Martin
@schrodinger’s cat: Does that mean we can deport most of the teatards?
Soonergrunt
@Seanly: Don’t worry about them. I’m pretty sure they can handle it. Not that I’d know (cough, cough).
Corner Stone
@raven: I’m glad we agree. Thank you.
Ted & Hellen
Bradley Manning is a monster.
Cause FUCK YEAH.
BruceFromOhio
@Corner Stone:
Larry Gigli is a low-ranking Los Angeles mobster who isn’t nearly as tough as he likes to act.
… although how the hell that relates to Mr. Greenwald eludes me.
Corner Stone
@BruceFromOhio: I was wondering how the god awful Bennifer movie tie-in made any sense.
Trollhattan
@? Martin:
No chit. My immediate thought was Rubio could deport himself, but he did say “English” and not “logic.”
jl
@Trollhattan:
Seems like Bridenstine might have some of his facts wrong. Maybe he misread some recent news reports. Or maybe he pulled his trends out of his ass. Who knows?
Tornado activity hits 60-year low
‘ The record low in tornadoes comes less than two years after a record high from 2010 to 2011, Weather Underground meteorologist Jeff Masters said. “The extraordinary contrast underscores the crazy fluctuations we’ve seen in Northern Hemisphere jet stream patterns during the past three years,” he said. “Call it ‘weather whiplash’ of the tornado variety.” ‘
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/05/09/quiet-tornado-season/2148075
See also
NOAA National Climactic Data Center
U.S. Tornado Climatology
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornadoes.html#history
lol
That said, between Greenwald’s admission that he was working with Snowden to release classified information *before* he got access to it and Snowden’s decision to scamper off to China to hand over the rest of his material, Greenwald has managed to put himself on some very thin ice legally.
Darkrose
@soonergrunt (test): Just stay away from IE10 if you’re on Windows 7. We’ve had people calling in for the last month with weird, irreproduceable bugs, and we’ve determined that the one common factor is using IE 10 on a machine running Windows 7.
In better news, we’ve FINALLY dropped support for XP and Office 2003! I was so glad when I could tell a faculty member “Sorry your email isn’t working, but we can’t support your ancient OS any more.”
Betty Cracker
Since this is an open thread, I’ll ask an email service question: I need to switch from my hosting provider’s webmail service, which is The Suck. I can start using Outlook, or I could switch to Gmail, I suppose, which I use for some personal accounts but am not wild about in my limited experience with it. There are possibly other options I’m not considering out of sheer ignorance that they exist. Any opinions?
Corner Stone
LGF is rapidly turning into Larry Johnson No Quarter redux on this issue.
I wonder how long til they hype the Snowden Sex Tape?
I suggest they go with the classic “12 inches of Snowden” on their first pass.
MikeJ
@jl:
And next week he’ll say we should stop funding research on global weirding because the drop in tornadoes proves it doesn’t exist.
shortstop
OT, I have the window open and am currently getting a contact high from the neighbor smoking on his deck. In my 20s, I would have appreciated the free buzz, but I have a lot of work to do and I’m already sleepy today.
ruemara
@raven: Like you thought that would matter. Rule of law! Except when we don’t like the law!
Suffern ACE
@Forum Transmitted Disease: Just for the undocumented? I know that passing an ESL test was required for certain visas now. I don’t really have as much problem with that, seeing as most of the immigrants in question actually are proficient in English and would be after the 13 year waiting period.* This is one of the things that looks tougher than it is.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
This explains a great deal about your base stupidity.
Also too: Is there a thread in the last three weeks on which you have not bloviated at great length in multiples of multiple comments? Just wondering if there was a place here to rest from the blazing hot sun or your spittle flecked moronitude.
Darkrose
@sacrablue: One of the things I like about my bit of the Grid is that there are a lot of rainbow flags flying–enough so that I think the pro-fetus protesters that show up in front of the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street must feel a little self-concious. I hope so, anyway. (I’ve so far resisted the urge to run one of them over on my way to work.)
Corner Stone
@ruemara: If you, or raven, or Rep King can show how he broke any laws we’d all like to see it.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: Hehehehe…someone got his balls back. I noticed how quiet you’d been lately after my friendly advice. Brave, brave, T&H. lol
Still never got an email. Apparently Cole approved of my PSA.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Trollhattan: National Weather Service Duties Act of 2005
Another smash hit brought to you by Sick Rick and the Frothy Discharges.
Googling “Republican defunding of NOAA” returns too many hits for me to even go through.
Corner Stone
The Diane Lane character in Jumper is really fucking disappointing.
? Martin
@Darkrose:
The key is to jump out of the car before it hits them so you can claim there was a malfunction and you had to save yourself. You’ll need some first aid but should avoid prison time.
Cassidy
@? Martin: You don’t happen to be in the vicinity of T&H, do you?
sacrablue
@Darkrose: I’m out in the burbs. Many of my neighbors are part of the megachurch cult out in Roseville. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a rainbow flag out here. Hell, I only spotted two Obama/Biden bumper stickers this time around. I’m pretty sure I live in Republicanville.
lol
@Corner Stone:
Receiving and publishing classified information isn’t a crime. Encouraging a source to leak classified information to you is; though it’s a fine line between that and typical national security reporting that isn’t considered a crime (or at least not prosecuted).
You might want to consider how far Greenwald could be on the investigation side of things when he was working with Snowden before he even got a job at Booz Allen.
Amir Khalid
@Ted & Hellen:
You could always rest from the blazing hot sun of spittle flecked moronitude on display here by not reading it — or better yet, by not adding to it yourself. The relief would be mutual.
jl
@MikeJ: Just be clear the article says that tornado activity hit a record low just a year or two after it hit a record high. The headline might give a misleading impression that the current low in total touchdowns is part of long term trend, but it isn’t. And the NOAA link shows there is no downward trend at all in total touchdowns of significant tornadoes (at least since the 1940s), and if there is a slight downward trend, it might be in severe tornadoes. Though I remember reading there may be an upward trend in the most severe tornadoes.
Anyway, bottom line is that this Bridenstine is spouting BS, trendwise and factwise.
Corner Stone
@lol: What you’re alleging is far afield of anything we currently know now.
raven
@Corner Stone: You better re-read my post before you start with that.
Darkrose
@Suffern ACE: Not for student visas, IME. I am continually astonished by the number of students who are taking graduate-level classes when they speak almost no English–and that’s just the ones who were born in the US and nominally have English as their first language.
“Yeah, I…uh…I need to…um…get into, like, the thing? You know?”
ruemara
@Corner Stone: You’re kidding right? You’d like to know what laws a leaker of NSA techniques; techniques that the tech companies they claimed had provided “secret back-door access to servers for spying” are now seeking legal waivers to show people the amount of NSA requests; have broken? Well, when you put it that way, just send me my “Free Snowden” Sweatshirt. I’m convinced, he’s done nothing and should be on Mount Rushmore.
@sacrablue: No wonder I couldn’t get hired by Roseville. They must have scented the wild-eyed liberal patchouli stink on me.
Darkrose
@? Martin: The guy on the Segway is just really asking for it, IMO.
Trollhattan
@Forum Transmitted Disease:
Good lord, that would be like making the Marines wait to deploy in case Xi Corp might be able to handle the mission, instead. With leadership like this, Rih would have made a great president.
MikeJ
@jl: I don’t think Republicans are going to let facts get in the way of anything.
Corner Stone
@raven: You asked if I believe a reporter doesn’t have to follow the law. I’m sorry, but maybe you should expound.
Corner Stone
@ruemara: Who are you referring to, the reporters or Snowden?
Todd
@Corner Stone:
Out of curiousity and apropos of nothing whatsoever, would his lovely former girlfriend be appearing on said tape?
And from what site could a researcher view such information for his research?
lol
@Corner Stone:
I don’t need to allege anything. Greenwald stated he started working with Snowden in February. Snowden started working at Booz Allen in March.
Emma
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/edward-snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china
The paper is owned (or partially owned) by a pro-Beijing family and, get this, managed for a time by Reginald Chua, deputy managing editor of The Wall Street Journal and former editor of The Wall Street Journal’s Asia edition. Chua was joined by David Lague, formerly of the International Herald Tribune and The Wall Street Journal.
Strange bedfellows all.
Trollhattan
@jl:
Somewhere in a capitol hallway, Inhofe patted him on the head and said, “Good boy!”
Darkrose
@sacrablue: On the other hand, I bet you don’t have random shirtless drug addicts wandering into your house, stealing your car, and going to Jack in the Box on your debit card. And you probably don’t get serenaded every night by the trains being hooked up in the rail yard.
raven
@Corner Stone: If Greenwald broke the law I sat throw the book at him.
El Caganer
@raven: IIRC, Brazil doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the US. So if GG has in fact broken the law, he might not be all that concerned.
jl
@Trollhattan: And of course, global warming and multi-year cycles associated with climate change (nino, nina, etc.), have nothing to do with the jet stream. The Bible says so, in the Book of Erasmus, I think.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
Cole addressed your bullshit right here in comments, fatty.
? Martin
Not sure that Snowden has really revealed anything noteworthy here, though. CAELA was passed in 1994:
This is mostly just more metadata collection, but it can also capture non-endpoint encrypted content as well (that https:// is there for your own good.) Capturing the full stream of content is impossible on a grand scale, but it is possible to filter it on the fly, looking for specific things. If the Chinese didn’t think we were doing that for traffic between the US and China, then they’re idiots. And we’d be idiots to believe that the Chinese weren’t doing it return.
Not terribly useful overall as it’s orders of magnitude larger in scale than the phone data. But if you have something very specific you’re looking for, it can be effective.
Doesn’t make it any less damaging to Snowden’s case, though.
FlipYrWhig
@piratedan: Shouldn’t that be “GleGre” or something, then?
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
I’ve been relatively quiet because, unlike you, I have a life outside this blog.
Boss out of the office the last couple weeks? That why the heavy posting while you suck up your salary for doing jack shit?
Just asking.
? Martin
@El Caganer: Brazil does. But GG hasn’t obviously broken any laws. He is in possession of classified information that he doesn’t believe should be published, which puts him in an interesting ethical spot, though. And he’s being pretty cavalier in spite of being in that spot. His cockiness is going to cause him to fuck up.
raven
@El Caganer: Uh huh.
Soonergrunt
@Darkrose: We’re pushing Windows 7 and Office 2010 at work.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@El Caganer: Your memory is faulty. Brazil has had a full extradition treaty with the US since 1962.
Ted & Hellen
It is racist to question the security state.
Fuck yeah.
scav
@Darkrose: Being serenaded by already hooked up trains? Romeo & Juliet & B&O! That’s a kink I’ve been sheltered from. My city must just not be big enough.
Mnemosyne
@Darkrose:
Now now. A Cherry Slurpee that you “accidentally” let go of while driving past would give you the same satisfaction. Especially if you can get it under the wheels of the Segway.
sacrablue
@Darkrose: Actually, my car was broken into by a drunk teenager less than two years ago. The window that he smashed was worth about the same as the car. There was nothing in the car to steal. I’m close to a rail yard and can definitely hear rail cars being connected in the middle of the night, especially on the rare occasions when it is cloudy.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Cassidy: Links, please. I like watching the pedophile getting flogged through the hallways. A guilty pleasure, but a pleasure nonetheless.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: Maybe. I never saw it. I do recall you whining “what’s in your inbox” over and over again. Lol
Then of course you got really quiet and we all appreciate that. You’re a chickenshit and we both know it.
Odie Hugh Manatee
I hear that FEMA is assisting homeowners, businesses and renters after the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas, but they have told the town itself that they will not qualify for disaster assistance. I hate to say it but good for them. If towns want to let businesses like the fertilizer plant do whatever they want then they should buck up and pay for their mistakes when shit blows up. Why are they depending on our evil government to recover from industrial disasters that were caused by federal law violations? That’s socialism! Let the free markets they love so much fix this mess for them.
West Texas mayor:
The town wants $57 million to rebuild and $40 million of that is to rebuild the school that was destroyed. $40 mil for a single school in a town of 2,800 people? Talk about sticker shock.
Texas needs to change their slogan to: We’re business friendly and our cities are booming!
Villago Delenda Est
@jl:
I think this one has the highest probability.
Darkrose
@sacrablue: I was pretty lucky. The Shirtless Car Thief came into our apartment (we had the door unlocked), took the car keys and my wife’s purse, and then stole the car. It was fine when they pulled him over for running a stop sign in Rio Linda a few hours later, so all I was out was the fee for picking it up at the impound lot. I’m really glad he’s still in jail, though.
MomSense
Does anyone else remember mention initially that one of Snowden’s conditions with the Post was to publish online a cryptographic key so that he could verify he was the source of the document to a foreign embassy?
It seemed suspicious to me when I first read that.
Soonergrunt
@Betty Cracker: Mozilla Thunderbird is pretty good.
Tone in DC
@Cassidy:
LULz.
Something about Statham and DeathRace 3000 right here.
Higgs Boson's Mate
Okay, Snowden may have walked off with valuable information which he is now using to publicize himself and to possibly make deals with the Chinese. Fair enough. How many other people walked off with valuable information, quietly made or completed deals with whomever, and then simply faded into the woodwork? Seems like the Total Information Awareness establishment is unaware when someone walks off with some of the totality.
Villago Delenda Est
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
Rick Perry was outraged when a political cartoonist took this to its logical conclusion.
James E. Powell
@Suffern ACE:
This is one of the things that looks tougher than it is.
I’m not sure what you mean. Can you explain?
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen: Sure sunshine. Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you’ll believe it.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Odie Hugh Manatee: FEMA’s reasoning, which isn’t getting much airplay because, capitalism, is that since the damage is the result of a criminal act they are not on the hook for it.
ranchandsyrup
Sen. Jeff Flake’s son seems like a lovely young man. A lovely racist, homophobic, anti-semite. http://gawker.com/arizona-senators-son-tweets-racist-homphobic-anti-se-512949916
Suffern ACE
@Odie Hugh Manatee: Not fine with that and would like to know why. I thought that assisting the towns rebuild infrastructure was part of what FEMA was set up to do. I’m actually not worried about the moral hazard here. While there was criminal negligance on the part of the plant owner, I’m not actually concerned that towns are going to blow themselves up to get that FEMA money.
sacrablue
@Darkrose: Mine wasn’t the only car that was broken into that night. It was actually kinda funny because there were all of my neighbors standing out in the street introducing themselves to each other at 3 am. Four sheriff’s cars showed up along with a K-9 unit because it got called in as a robbery in progress. My son went chasing after the skinny little punk and the deputies caught the kid with two cell phones and a camera. For reasons I don’t understand the kid was just charged with a misdemeanor and did no jail time.
Mandalay
@? Martin:
An unintended (?) consequence of what Snowden did has been to get the media to revisit Clapper’s dishonest testimony to Congress back in March.
Congress may not give a shit about what its voters think, but they do care about being lied to, and they really care about being made to look foolish. I think Clapper is a goner.
piratedan
@ranchandsyrup: I’m sure that Senator Flake raised him like the usual East Valley Mormons that dominate suburban Phoenix politics that brought us guys like Trent Franks and Russel Pearce. Daddy Flake is just quieter about it is all; until he got caught with his undies around his ankles on the background checks for guns. Carmona ran a good race, just hard to succeed with the bipolar AZ Populace.
lamh35
geg6
@Cassidy:
I have a lovely stick if you’d like to keep poking him. I’ve had my own trolls to deal with today, so I understand the urge.
? Martin
@Suffern ACE:
True, but states like Texas and voters in towns like Waco are going to vote to pass the responsibility up to the federal level, like they always do. They want their low taxes and low regulation as a competitive advantage over say California, but when their town blows up, they want CA taxpayer to foot the bill.
We’re happy to do that if a tornado comes though, but not because the leadership of the state had their head so far up their ideological ass that they couldn’t foresee the obvious consequence of their decisions. This incident was preventable, and was preventable by the state of Texas. The state of Texas can spend the $40M for the school.
lamh35
New International Trailer for The Wolverine
Introduced by Hugh Jackman, himself.
ruemara
@lamh35: Oh, that man. I’m more concerned that GG et al played a very strange game of chicken with the Military IT Industry to prove___ and it’s gotten out of hand.
geg6
@lamh35:
Why would Dems get involved in a pissing match between two of the biggest and most disgusting trolls to ever live? I say they sit back and root for injuries on both sides. Kinda like I do when it’s a game between the Pats and the Ravens.
sacrablue
@lamh35: Has anyone created a timeline of events related to this saga yet. Too many things don’t seem to add up in GG’s little story.
different-church-lady
@lamh35: “Pushing back”… that’s the same as making popcorn, right?
different-church-lady
@sacrablue: Don’t worry, I’m sure “UPDATE XXVII” will clear up all the loose ends.
lamh35
@ruemara: I think it’s funny. First off I thought GG was a Liberatarian, 2nd, last time I looked, Pete King is a Repub, so why would Dems give two shits what King thinks, has any elected Dem called for GG’s arrest, nope, 3rd, GG attitude is such that other than his most ardent supporters, ain’t nobody rushing to push back at shit for him, just sayin.
? Martin
@sacrablue: They’re trying but all of the people involved are being quite cagey about the details. That’s normal, so I don’t view it as suspicious, but it makes it hard to assemble very much. About the best we can say is that Snowden contacted all three members of the media before moving on to Booz. We know his first outreach was in Jan, and believe the other two were in Feb.
muddy
@Seanly:
The new lungs won’t fail, but the other body symptoms are unchanged.
Soonergrunt
@Suffern ACE:
FEMA denies more aid to Texas town:
Suffern ACE
@? Martin: Who was supposed to be monitoring the plant’s compliance with the safe storage of chemicals? Texas or the Feds?
different-church-lady
@Alex S.: You just used “Peter King” and “real” in the same context. I assume you did this for the purposes of humor.
piratedan
@Soonergrunt: from what i’ve seen, individual and business owner claims are still open and will be accepted, but they’re not accepting the town’s claim of something like 57M to redo the roads, sewer and school.
something something criminal negligence on the businesses part doesn’t mean taxpayer bailout on our part something something
sacrablue
@? Martin: So who was Snowden working for before Booz? Did he hack some of this info from a prior employer? He was already living in Hawaii.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Villago Delenda Est:
As they say, the truth hurts and boy was Perry butthurt. It probably didn’t help that he just got back from his ‘tour’ in The Peoples Socialistic Republic of California where he was bragging about the business-friendly climate and regulations (or lack of).
Timing is everything.
@Forum Transmitted Disease:
I agree, it was a criminal act. They need to go after the criminals for compensation, not the government.
Soonergrunt
@Suffern ACE: Texas was responsible for that.
Betty Cracker
@Soonergrunt: Thanks, dude!
different-church-lady
@Forum Transmitted Disease:
SNOWDEN: Oh my god… that is cool! The Russians are just gonna fall over when I tell them about it!
Odie Hugh Manatee
@? Martin:
Exactly. If this forces localities to look into their local industries and make sure they are being operated properly then it’s a win for everyone. It’s up to communities to hold their representatives feet to the fire and make sure that local industry is operating safely. If a business blows up a town then have that business rebuild it.
If they can’t afford to then they never should have been in business in the first place.
Mandalay
@lol:
What specific charge(s) do you think could be leveled at Greenwald?
Wall Street and Iraq have shown that there is a world of difference between conduct that is reckless and/or unwise and/or reprehensible and/or immoral, and actual criminal conduct.
ranchandsyrup
@piratedan: AZ is Cray-Z. Sen. Flake said he gave his son a good talking to about this. I’m sure it was “DON’T GET CAUGHT”.
? Martin
@Suffern ACE: Both. The problem is that the states-rightists have been undermining federal authority and eliminating funding for inspections on the argument that states are best able to determine suitable safety for their state. So given the current state of things, the state has primary responsibility, the feds provide oversight above that.
? Martin
@sacrablue: Snowden was working directly for the CIA, stationed in Hawaii, from everything I’ve read.
aimai
@MikeJ: Definitionally someone else got bumped. My niece died, tragically, at age nine and we kept her body on lifesupport until all her organs could be harvested. Its a horrible, horrible, thing to go through for the families who lose a child. But every organ on every list is spoken for ten times over. There are way more people waiting than there are organs. So almost definitionally this little girl, if she got a teen or an adult size set of lungs, displaced someone just as desperate and just as sick from getting “their” lungs. I feel for this little girls parents and for her but fuck, they just couldn’t be more contemptuous of everyone else in the system than they are. Every single one of those people “deserves” help too. The way they talk about god intervening makes me feel almost physically ill.
Suffern ACE
@Soonergrunt: O.K. then. It sounds like FEMA is just saying that this was a really bad fire and if someone came and burned down your school, it wouldn’t be a national incident. I think that could be reasonable.
But if the Feds helped out with San Bruno, what is the difference here?
sacrablue
@? Martin: I thought he worked for the CIA in Geneva, but that was several years ago.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Suffern ACE: San Bruno wasn’t the result of a criminal act. This was.
Take it out of the hides of the guys who owned the plant. I’m very certain they’re good for it.
Cassidy
@geg6: Nah, I’m good. I just think it’s funny. He was so quiet and restrained lately. I was perfectly content for us to not talk to one another. I guess he had an extra cup of coffee this afternoon.
Soonergrunt
@Mandalay: IANAL (so I am probably wrong) but if it could be shown that he instigated Snowden to steal classified materials, or promised him anything of value to instigate him to do so, that could (I think) sustain a charge of conspiracy to steal US property or even conspiracy to commit espionage.
And that would be FAR different than if Snowden approached him, as I understand it.
And there is nothing right now even remotely approaching evidence that Greenwald has done anything illegal as far as I know.
jl
@Suffern ACE:
I don’t remember FEMA giving reconstruction aid for San Bruno either. I don’t have time to look to see whether that decision was revised later. But initially FEMA would only reimburse for costs of initial disaster response. Did the initial FEMA decision get changed later?
There are parallels. Negligence and misconduct of PG&E (Peculation, Greed and Explosions) and lax state oversight seem similar to what happened in West, TX.
FEMA rejects disaster aid for San Bruno
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_16201180
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_16201180
? Martin
@Suffern ACE:
FEMA turned down CAs request for aid as well:
lamh35
Sen. Mikulski Calls Out Reporter’s Tweet During Senate Hearing
jl
@Forum Transmitted Disease:
” San Bruno wasn’t the result of a criminal act”
I think that is debatable. PG&E is a bigger shot that the West, TX fertilizer plant owner, so the outcome may differ for that reason alone.
Betty Cracker
@aimai: God, that must have been so awful, but kudos to your family for donating the organs.
Cassidy
@aimai:
Ugh. Why can’t people just be grateful for good stuff without bringing this kind of shit into it.
Corner Stone
“If it could be shown he chained the box of kryptonite to Superman’s leg and then rolled him into the pool, then…”
Brother Machine Gun of Desirable Mindfulness (fka AWS)
@Cassidy:
Motherfucking this, x1000.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Mandalay: Being a pompous, self-aggrandizing jerk. I truly can’t stand the guy, he sets me on edge in a way that only hardcore Jesus freaks usually do.
But that being said, he’s not guilty of anything. Even if he knew about it beforehand. Even if he egged Snowden on. Those aren’t crimes. I suppose the government could give “conspiracy” a shot but that is a long shot at best, and in addition to the large likelihood of losing, the attention and potential for martyrdom would just egg him on.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@aimai:
Oh, that makes my old heart ache.
Mandalay
@Soonergrunt:
Point taken, but Greenwald is not stupid and he probably assumes that he is always under special surveillance.
I would guess that even if all discussions between Greenwald and Snowden were recorded, and the government reviewed those discussions (which may have already occurred), Greenwald would still be in the clear.
Not so sure that Greenwald’s reputation is going to emerge unscathed though.
SatanicPanic
@ranchandsyrup: He’ll make a wonderful College Republican
ranchandsyrup
@SatanicPanic: Heh. Head of the college republicans. They love some nepotism down in AZ see: Little Quayle.
Sorry, tried to make it down on Fri. but no luck. Hope the show went well. Did punk prevail?
Mandalay
@Forum Transmitted Disease:
Inciting Snowden to steal data would not be a crime? IANAL – just asking.
(Somewhat OT, if I incite you to kill my business partner (say), and you do it, am I guilty of anything?)
Also too, see post 188.
Corner Stone
@Mandalay:
If the part of the story is true that indicates Greenwald was not previously familiar with using encryption software then I have to believe he wasn’t being too cautious, overall.
A Humble Lurker
@Mandalay:
Assumes facts not in evidence? In all seriousness though, even if you’re not stupid, things like ego can make you do stupid things. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn Greenwald did something stupid because his ego told him to.
But of course, all this is just shpecyulasion at this point, and even if he was convicted of anything it would make him a martyr, which I’m sure he would love anyway. *shrug*
FlipYrWhig
@lamh35:
IIRC Greenwald has said repeatedly that Democrats have worked out a system of “rotating villains” so that they never have to face their collective failures. And they’re supposed to go out on a limb for him why? He’d have a better point if he said to leave him personally out of the calculus and wondered if any Democrat would take a stand in defense of a free press, or transparency, or something. Hopefully that’s what he said, and the tweet is vague because of the limited number of characters. Because “You all suck and are evil, and also why aren’t you helping me?” is kind of pathetic.
FlipYrWhig
@Mandalay: Wasn’t that aspect of “incitement” part of the Assange / Manning investigation (i.e., Svengali puts Impressionable Peon up to doing something criminal that advances Svengali’s agenda)? Or am I remembering innuendo rather than the actual legal proceedings?
Betty Cracker
I guess it’s too late to rethink the acronym “IANAL,” huh?
Mandalay
@A Humble Lurker:
Not really. Greenwald may be long-winded, pompous, hypocritical, thin-skinned and obnoxious, but he is definitely not stupid.
Of course he may still have blundered from a legal perspective, but I doubt it. He’s certainly in way less legal do-do than Snowden.
guachi
A graphic I made up and posted to Facebook has the text –
NSA employees make great boyfriends…. because they’re such good listeners.
Soonergrunt
@Mandalay: I can’t speak to Greenwald’s reputation (not that it matters. Nobody’s opinion of him will ever change) but like I said, there’s no evidence of which I’m aware that he committed any crimes under US law.
I’m sure the lawyers amongst us could explain all that as a hypothetical, though.
Mandalay
@FlipYrWhig:
AFAIK, Assange has not been charged with anything by the US government.
I think he will ultimately be charged with refusing to willingly jump out of a plane over the North Atlantic, but we are not there yet.
ruemara
@Soonergrunt: I have been assured that taking classified things and/or leaking classified information is not a crime. The internet lawyers and specialists have assured me.
SatanicPanic
@ranchandsyrup: It was a win for everyone involved. Seriously good show.
ranchandsyrup
@SatanicPanic: Consarnit, sad I missed it but sounds like a nice time was had by all. Next time.
SatanicPanic
@ranchandsyrup: Maybe we can play up in your neck of the woods one of these days. You must be busy with home stuff anyway
Mandalay
@Corner Stone:
Ouch – did not know that – but my speculation is that Greenwald has nothing to hide. In fact Greenwald is probably extra careful precisely because he assumes the government is monitoring everything he says.
Regardless, I wonder whether the government can still decode encrypted messages anyway? Like it would take a gazillion computers eleventy trillion years to do it by brute force, yet some NSA geek in the know can still do it in two minutes.
ranchandsyrup
@SatanicPanic: Cuts both ways. Nice to get out from time to time. Hope all is well with you and yours, SP.
different-church-lady
@Mandalay:
Hell, I bet we could trick Snowden into decrypting GG’s e-mail, just so he could show off.
SatanicPanic
@ranchandsyrup: I know the feeling. Family life is fun, but we all have our limit. School is out so that means I get to relax a bit. I plan on taking advantage of our wonderful beaches every day I can this summer.
Ted & Hellen
@ruemara:
Lying a country into war, killing a hundred thousand people, and wasting trillions of dollars is not a crime either. I have been assured of this by Barack Obama.
Cassidy
@Ted & Hellen:
I unpied you for that? Lame. Get a new schtick. Four Non Blondes have more depth.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker: I second Soonergrunt’s rec of Thunderbird; it’s free and really nice to work with.
You can also ask gmail to fetch your other accounts; I have my gmail account do that for my wayofcats.com accounts, so everything shows up in the same place.
ffredpalakon
Since this is an open thread with some reference to Bradley Manning, here’s something I wrote about Adrian Lamo maybe not being the one in the chat logs with Bradley Manning, but that it’s Lamo’s ex, Tim Webster, instead. I’ll just warn any readers that the piece is very long, and, though I’ve had differences with him in the past, I say some nice things about Glenn Greenwald.
FlipYrWhig
@different-church-lady:
Didn’t John just say he emails Greenwald regularly? I pity the media tribune who had to read through _that_ trove of communications.
A Humble Lurker
@Mandalay:
*sheepishly points to rest of post* I was joking about that.
different-church-lady
@FlipYrWhig: COLE: “You won’t believe what happened to Lilly last night.
GREENWALD: Obama violated her civil liberties.
COLE: No… Jesus, can you just listen for even one second here?
Corner Stone
@ffredpalakon:
BOOO!! HISS!! Boo, hiss, and so on.
MikeJ
@WereBear:
I thought the price was a dollar twice.
Mnemosyne
@Mandalay:
As any con artist can tell you, the easiest mark is the one who thinks he’s smarter than you. I really have a bad feeling about Snowden and I wouldn’t be surprised if GG got conned by him.
Patricia Kayden
@Trollhattan: The people Oklahomans vote for are so delightful.
Patricia Kayden
@schrodinger’s cat: Would that apply to Bush 43? Or Sarah Palin? I mean there are loads of American citizens who are not proficient in English. Let’s keep it real.
Patricia Kayden
@different-church-lady: Ha!
I was wondering why Greenwald would think Dems would push back on his behalf as well. He’s more than capable of fighting his own battles. I’m sure Greenwald knows quite well that King is just foaming at the mouth and that the chances of him being jailed are slim to none.
Patricia Kayden
@Forum Transmitted Disease: So he shouldn’t be worried about King’s rants and raves then.
Soonergrunt
@Betty Cracker: well, since I am not a lawyer, probably not. Even if I got that right, I was still more likely than not wrong.
Watching “law and order” does not, in fact make one a homicide detective nor a prosecutor. Of course there are basics that every relatively well-read American should know.
Soonergrunt
@ruemara: oh, well, OK, then.