Southern Beale had a bad experience with Costco “Kirkland Signature” brand of flea and tick control with her cats, and wants you all to know about it. Please be a wise participant in Free Market capitalism and avoid that product voluntarily, lest the invisible hand reach out and snatch a bunch of hair from your cat’s body.
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Biscuits
I’ve always used Costco brands, though not this one, and have been happy with them. I hope she tells the Costco people about this. I’m sure they’d want to know. Edit: just looked at pictures. Poor kitties! I hope the get their beautiful coats back soon.
Brian
I used it on my dogs last year and it was fine. Wasn’t in stock this year though.
dan
I’ve heard the same thing about Hartz Mountain. It is really cheap and I bought it at Target, but before I applied it, I checked reviews on Amazon. Dogs and cats losing hair, but worse, getting very sick.
I brought it right back and bought Advantage through 1800PetMeds.
cleek
we use Frontline on our cats, which some people say has similar side-effects. it might be happening on one of our cats, but i suspect she just pulls the hair out because she hates the stuff on her. the other cat doesn’t show any side effects.
Yatsuno
Poor kittehs! I used a downmarket brand on Lexie with no ill effects (save her just hating the application) but it’s definitely good to be aware.
Suffern ACE
Fred Hiatt says you progressives need to back entitlement reform that will be unpopular because we can use that money to fund other programs.
piratedan
@Suffern ACE: I think we should tell Fred that we need a special tax on media providers that kicks in when political propaganda is disguised as factual reporting.
butler
Strange, I’ve bought Frontline for my dog at Costco for years, and I can’t recall there ever being a Kirkland brand substitute offered for sale. Good to know that I shouldn’t risk buying it if I see it. I’ve generally been happy with the KS brand, though they do miss the mark on occasion.
burnspbesq
Big morning at the Supreme Court. Five opinions issued, including Arizona v. Inter-Tribal Council, the voting rights case. Court rules, 7-2, that Arizona’s requirement to provide proof of citizenship is pre-empted by Federal law.
Also an important case about criminal sentencing, Alleyene, where Thomas (!) joins the four “liberal” justices to create a 5-4 win for the defendant.
greylocks
Mistermix:
Anecdote is not data, and one user’s experience is not sufficient reason to encourage a boycott of a product you don’t know anything about.
Different critters have different reactions to different formulations of these medicines. Our dogs get sick from Frontline, for example. Most dogs do just fine with it.
Another common problem is overdosing of these products.
People should really ask their vets what products to use, and not just buy it because they’ve seen ads on TV or because it’s the cheapest stuff out there. And there are often better products available by prescription for not all that much more than the OTC stuff.
Forum Transmitted Disease
Hmmmm. That does not read like “a bad experience”, it reads like your cat has been seriously poisoned.
All the modern flea poisons are fairly powerful neurotoxins. I have some reason to believe that they are partially responsible for killing two of my older cats a few years ago. I try not to give it to them – or to dogs – unless it is absolutely needed.
jamick6000
fleas. another reason not to keep animals in the home. disgusting.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@greylocks: Read the Amazon reviews. This is not an isolated incident.
piratedan
@burnspbesq: that’s a kick in the teeth to the TP folks here in the Grand Canyon State, always good news….
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Suffern ACE:
Hiatt must have just forgotten that cutting defense spending to a percentage of GDP more in line with the rest of the world might yield more money than starving granny.
kindness
I do buy a bunch of stuff at Costco but sometimes they make bone headed moves that obviously some pencil pusher told them will make them way more money. Example – I used to buy gallons of Odwalla OJ, then Costco switched to Kirkland Signature for almost the same price. Dude…..do you really think you have the same taste as Odwalla? I no longer buy OJ at Costco.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@jamick6000: I can see the future. I predict you’re about to develop a serious love of pie.
Yatsuno
Lister as the Doctor? Will need moar vindaloo methinks.
Cassidy
Anyone want a kitten? I rescued her out of some complete strangers car frame. She’s sweet, but we have cats already. The shelters and rescues are full and animal control usually keeps them approx. 5 days, could be more, could be less. She’s bonded with our gray cat and I’ll throw him in for a bonus.
Suffern ACE
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: No no no. It’s non-defense discretionary programs that will be funded by Social Security and Medicare cuts. Military spending at its current level is just fine. But the discretionary budget might be too low. How do we know that it is too low? Well, because entitlement spending is too high. Not convinced? Well, Fred has percentages with decimal points.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Suffern ACE:
Yeah, I noticed that. Then it occurred to me that conservative math has much in common with conservative humor.
Keith
Speaking of flea control, the last two years in a row, I’ve applied Advantage II as well as Frontline before that to my cats after fleas exploded in my house. Both years, the stuff has done NOTHING. Cats are scratching the next day, and fleas are lighting up my ankles. FWIW, I bought it from PetSmart. Has anyone else had this experience with the stuff? I’m trying to come up with some alternative because this is getting real old real fast.
Cassidy
@Keith: In some places it just isn’t working anymore. We live in Florida and we’re not getting winter, so the fleas aren’t dying. Everyone has massively over-applied the flea treatments and now our fleas say “fuck you”. We have to give our dogs the prescription and they still have allergic dermatitis. I’ve been feeding one of them Benadryl and Claritin to give her some relief.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@Keith: It’s like with antibiotics. The fleas have gotten immune. Frontline and Advantage are not working most of the time these days, although they can still fuck up your dog or cat pretty good.
I went to a tablet, can’t remember what it is called at the moment. It’s chewable, at least the dog version is. Once a month. Your vet will know.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@greylocks: Since the Amazon reviews include people reporting that their cats began vomiting blood after using the product, I’d say err on the side of caution.
(888) 426-4435 ASPCA Poison Hotline
Everyone with a pet should have that number handy for middle-of-the-night emergencies. It’s not free, but it could save a trip to the very expensive 24-hour clinic (assuming you live where there is one).
Keith
@Forum Transmitted Disease: Sounds like Capstar, which I’ve thought about trying on the cats, but I’m not sure they’ll eat the tablets, and a friend of mine’s dog was super-achy for days after taking it, so I’m hesitant.
Justdale
Call the company using the number on the box.
We just went through a similar (though fare more severe) issue with two of our huskies not tolerating Certifect. On the advice of our vet we called the company. The contact phone number is usually used by vets, and was staffed by technicians. They took incident reports for both dogs (including documenting age, breed, and lot number of the Certifect).
As others have mentioned, flea and tick meds have organophosphates which can be neurotoxic. Different animals will have different sensitivity. The compounding companies are trying to improve pet health, and want to know if the formulation isn’t being tolerated.
Betty Cracker
@Cassidy: Same experience here. I don’t know if fleas build an immunity on a household/critter or regional basis, but we find that if we switch brands every couple of years, we can keep the pests at bay. Otherwise, a product that has worked just fine will suddenly become ineffective.
Omnes Omnibus
@burnspbesq: We’ve been kicking the Alleyene decision around a little in the thread below. It seems Thomas does tend to side with the liberals on cases involving the right to have something considered by a jury.
Betty Cracker
@jamick6000: My kid got head lice a couple of times from school mates. Prolly should have dropped her off at an orphanage. It was gross.
jamick6000
there’s a reason more enlightened cultures raise these animals for meat.
gelfling545
@Keith: I have had no luck with Frontline or whatever the generic Frontline is, in fact the product itself makes my dog itchy. I use K9 Advantix for her & Advantage for the cats. Seems fine. I also treat them year round and have better success that way.
Amir Khalid
@jamick6000:
Do you dislike dogs and cats? Or is it the keeping of pets that you despise?
Bobby Thomson
@greylocks:
Hear fucking hear.
ETA: So I see there actually are data. That would have been useful information to put in the post.
burnspbesq
@Omnes Omnibus:
One of the few nice things one can say about Thomas is that he’s often on the right side in Sixth Amendment cases.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Betty Cracker: Or eaten her, it seems.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@jamick6000: A dog I can kinda understand, it’s tough but not that bad, but damn, you gotta be desperate to eat a cat. Tastes and smells like roadkill no matter what you do.
jamick6000
@Forum Transmitted Disease: hahahah what about soup?
Yatsuno
@Betty Cracker: Cuz, ya know, you can only get fleas from disgusting animals. Or something.
Omnes Omnibus
@burnspbesq: Okay, besides that, what else is in that “few nice things” you mentioned. Other than the fact that he doesn’t unnecessarily prolong oral arguments, I am drawing a blank.
Cassidy
@Bobby Thomson: Man, if only there was a website, somewhere a person could go and type in a topic they want to look up and, maybe, just thinking out loud so ride with me, this website would pull up all these other related websites to what you typed into the box. What kind of technological magic would this require?
Old Dan and Little Ann
Thanks to following a few links to helmets yesterday I am now getting lots of helmet ads. This will never cease to freak me out.
Origuy
The Supreme Court just voted 7-2 to throw out Arizona’s Proposition 200 requiring proof of citizenship before submitting a federal voter registration form. Scalia wrote for the majority; Thomas and Alito dissented.
Forum Transmitted Disease
and…new computer day! First post.
burnspbesq
@Omnes Omnibus:
He’s written some decent opinions in tax and bankruptcy cases, notably including the recent PPL case.
kindness
@Forum Transmitted Disease: Let me guess: It isn’t a Mac.
Comrade Mary
@Bobby Thomson: If you followed the link in this post to her blog, you would have seen her mention the copious Amazon reviews — which were also linked in that blog post.
raven
Amazon reviews are fucking useless. Get a clue.
Betty Cracker
@Yatsuno: Looks like I was silly enough to respond to a garden variety troll. Oh well. It happens.
burnspbesq
@raven:
Useless to you. Any reason (other than “because I say so, fuckface”) to believe your experience is scalable?
Yatsuno
@Betty Cracker: And a firebagger to boot. Oh wells, you can always shower.
MikeJ
Have no cats and are bored by trolls? Try looking at this heron I saw Saturday. If you click on the little cog you can embigulate to a scarifying degree.
raven
Here’s a more informative discussion about this stuff, sounds bad,
Bobby Thomson
@Cassidy: I’m not the one making the claim. It’s called burden of persuasion. Look into it.
? Martin
@burnspbesq: My friends are deflated. They were hoping for a Prop 8 ruling today. There are many weddings in the queue and it’s June. Why does SCOTUS want our gheys to get married in blistering heat? It’s discrimination, I tell you.
belieber
So this is what the very serious people concerned about serious issues are talking about today on BJ. Good to know. Thanks for keeping us inFRomed.
jamick6000
@MikeJ: those two at the bottom are especially great. beautiful.
Yatsuno
@MikeJ: PRETTY BIRD!! We really gotta work on keeping this place secret more. Keeping up the rain stereotype helps a bit.
@belieber: Herp de Durf. Enlightening as usual.
Omnes Omnibus
@? Martin: I am guessing that the gay marriage and VRA decisions won’t be out until next week.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@kindness: You’re right. And it never will be.
SatanicPanic
@MikeJ: Wow those are cool
Roger Moore
@Amir Khalid:
Nah, it’s just trying to troll a blog with a large population of pet lovers.
? Martin
@Forum Transmitted Disease: Heh. How many times have I heard that before… And in my experience the most vocal detractors of the Mac become the most vocal fanboys after they switch.
me
@Origuy: What are they putting in Scalia’s wine?
SiubhanDuinne
@MikeJ: Stunning bird, magnificent photos.
Cassidy
@Bobby Thomson: Really? That’s your answer?
“I had to read a couple of paragraphs and couldn’t be bothered to look it up, but I’ll blame the blog because I’m a lazy, entitled prima donna.”
I can’t decide if you’re being lazy and obtuse or just being a skycrane.
Roger Moore
@? Martin:
The Supremes seem to be holding all the biggest decisions until the very end, probably on the theory that there’s an attention limit so some of them receive less attention than they would if they were spread out.
That said, I’m happy to see the ruling in FTC v. Actavis, which really ought to have been a no-brainer. The kind of payoffs in question certainly deserve scrutiny, and IMO they should be presumed illegitimate until proven otherwise.
Catsy
@jamick6000:
You might want to consider that you’ve chosen exactly the wrong blog to bring your anti-pet agenda.
Mnemosyne
@? Martin:
Hey, if I had to get married on a 108 degree day in Pasadena, teh gheys can suck it up and do the same. Have the ceremony indoors and serve mojitos at the reception and no one will even notice.
Well, except for my aunt, who put that tidbit of information in her annual newsletter.
me
And another decent decision. Fucking drug companies driving up prices.
jamick6000
@Amir Khalid: i was 1/2 kidding around, but I think the worship of dogs and cats by some people is soooo goofy. people act like they’re kids and they’re not. plus they do murder on the wildlife (birds for example.).
they should be kept outside, not inside because of hair/dander/poo/pests. people in cities shouldn’t have dogs because they want to run around, not be cooped up all day and then get walked on a leash once or twice so they can take a dump on the sidewalk or in a treelawn.
the vast majority of pet owners are not conscientious. if the dog barks, put a muzzle on it, etc
beliebert
This PSA will have about as much effect on Costco’s bottom line as a single flea will on an elephants butt.
Mnemosyne
@Forum Transmitted Disease:
I’m trying to think if I’ve ever heard of a society anywhere that raises cats for meat. Dogs, yes, but I’ve only heard of cats being eaten during famines and other desperate times. In developing countries they’re too useful as rodent control to make them quite as disposable as dogs.
Cassidy
@jamick6000:
So if you’re saying something that someone doesn’t like, should you be muzzled? I’m not speaking about some metaphorical “stop commenting” slapfight. I’m talking physically restrained with your physical ability to speak incapcitated?
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
The new Seal of the NSA.
Villago Delenda Est
@Suffern ACE:
Fred Hiatt needs a tumbrel ride.
Forum Transmitted Disease
@? Martin: Not a detractor. It’s just another tool, and in this case a tool I don’t use very much. I’ve had them in one form or another since the late 80s. I learned how to program on a Apple II+ back in the early eighties. We have two in the office right now. I use them (and have to admin them every now and then) but I don’t see the point in paying triple the price for commodity hardware.
My dev and sysadmin work is largely done on Windows because that’s what the customer wants. Same as the Mac – too much eye candy, too many functions buried in menus.
This new little bastard happens to be an i7, ASUS mb, RAID, two Intel SSDs (RAID 1) all being run by sweet, sweet Ubuntu.
Mnemosyne
@jamick6000:
My cats don’t have fleas, because they’re indoor-only. I hope you never had kids since having to clean up poop seems to be a dealbreaker for you.
Yatsuno
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Ceiling Cat watches us all.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
And what may be my favorite bit of silliness about PRISM.
I found it among a bunch of other E3 memes here.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@jamick6000:
Damn, you paint with a broad brush.
Omnes Omnibus
@me: FWIW despite all the crap we give the conservative justices on high import decisions, most cases are decided by at least a 6-3 majority. What’s more the judges with the least mutual agreement vote similarly over 70% of the time. Can’t link from my phone, but the stats are from SCOTUSblog.
different-church-lady
Oh no… a flame war worse than OBots vs. Firebaggers… worse than Mac vs. PC… worse than even Twilight fans vs. fourchan… INDOOR CAT PEOPLE VS. OUTDOOR CAT PEOPLE!!!
There will be nothing left of our village when these warriors have exhausted their efforts…
Haydnseek
@jamick6000: Let’s review, shall we? Cats murder birds, but they should always be kept outside. Logic much?
Roger Moore
@Mnemosyne:
I don’t know if anyone raises them for meat, but ISTR that there are some Cantonese cat dishes. Raising cats for meat would be silly, since they’re obligate carnivores, but eating the occasional stray as poverty food might make sense.
Comrade Jake
@different-church-lady: LOL
We’ve had cats in the past living indoors, and then decided they should probably be outdoor cats.
Feel free to throw bricks at my head, people. I can take it.
ranchandsyrup
EVERYONE MUST FEEL THE SAME WAY I DO ABOUT PETS AND TREAT THEM AS I MANDATE!
What a maroon.
Roger Moore
@different-church-lady:
Hey, at least nobody has brought up
EMACS
vs.vi
or the best Linux distribution or (shudder) the best brand of power tool.Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
At least we seem to be at the end of the PS – XBox wars.
Betty Cracker
@different-church-lady: I think the most gory battles I’ve personally witnessed were circumcision vs. uncut on mommy blogs. Jesus, those get ugly.
Hal
Since I’m a huge fan of nigella Lawson I was saddened to see pics of her gross husband choking her at a restaurant. Here’s hoping she used a mallet on his ugly head.
Steeplejack
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
Hilarious!
? Martin
@Mnemosyne:
The first thing I learned from my gay friends is that for all the shit they have to put up with in this country, they’re going to live the best life they possibly can. So it’s going to be 72 degrees ocean view Laguna Beach in June if that’s their dream, or haul everyone over to Avalon, or whatever it is. They’ve had to settle on a zillion issues, and this is one they are giving no quarter on. They are prepared to pay for last minute plane tickets for all the relatives if that’s what it takes. And I’m not about to argue with them, because they’re 100% right.
Amir Khalid
@Mnemosyne:
I suspect that cats are too smart, and too ready to defend themselves, to be worthwhile meat animals. Maybe they are also not tasty, as FTD suggests, but that I wouldn’t know about. However, I have heard of cats being fraudulently passed off as meat animals (i.e. the saying “to sell someone a pig in a poke”, an old scam sometimes frustrated when “the cat is let out of the bag”.)
@jamick6000:
You say that keeping pets indoors is unhygienic, and keeping them outdoors puts the local wildlife in danger. So where should one keep them, then?
? Martin
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
Oh, hell no. This is just the armies regrouping. D-Day is black friday, 2013.
MikeJ
@Roger Moore: Nobody debates emacs vs. vi because it’s so self-evident that emacs is the one true editor. Eight Megs and Constantly Swapping isn’t much of an insult when 1000 times that much memory is considered a low end machine.
Violet
I’m so sorry to hear about this. Checked out your blog and it sounds and looks just awful. I did get a chuckle looking at the photos of your poor, wet kitties, though. I hope the baths helped and that more serious issues will not appear.
different-church-lady
@Amir Khalid:
After my first taste of bear, I always said that if bears weren’t so ornery, nobody would ever eat a cow again.
jamick6000
@Cassidy:
hahah do you speak their language?? dogs aren’t covered by the first amendment, they don’t have a constitutional right to annoy everyone in the neighborhood! Also, do you feel at all silly comparing barking to human speech? (also, too i’m not saying if it barks once or a couple times. i’m talking about incessant barking.)
Todd
I will say that I had great results just brushing the dog and disrupting the ticks and eggs in the past, a habit I intend to continue.
MikeJ
@Hal:
I was disappointed it wasn’t Nigel, her father, that was choked. At least he deserves it.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@? Martin: You think people will forget about game consoles that watch you in your living room and rape jokes by then? Oh, and no used games?
Roger Moore
@MikeJ:
Come now, everyone knows that EMACS is actually a recursive acronym for EMACS Makes A Computer Slow. I don’t know how anyone can dislike Escape Meta Alt Control Shift.
S.Irene
Last year my vet said that counterfeit versions of flea products (including Frontline and others) are being sold online and at discount stores.
Roger Moore
@different-church-lady:
I suspect that the bigger difference is that bear is a specialty meat, and people are willing to pay good money for taste. If we tried to raise bear on the scale we raise cattle, we’d wind up with feedlot bear that was as boring tasting as feedlot beef.
Cassidy
@jamick6000: I mus not have spoken slowly enough for you.
1) You avoided the question, but did add another parameter, so we’ll get back to that.
2) This has nothing to do with any kind of constitutionality or metaphorical muzzling. That wasn’t even a good strawman
3) No. Animals communicate. This is not new. Try and keep up. Understanding their “language” isn’t hard.
So again, if you’re not still too chickenshit to answer, if you are making mouth noises that are bothersome to other people, do they have the right to hold you down and forcibly incapacitate your ability to speak, expecially, as you wanted to add, if they speak another language and cannot understand you?
different-church-lady
@Roger Moore: Good insight. Plus a whole lot of dead bear ranchers.
? Martin
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Nah, the community is just in a moment of moral upheaval. All of those leveling criticisms against the XBox or PS4 need a few months of soul-searching to discover why those criticisms should be overruled. I mean, sure, they’re spying on you and controlling your every move, but fuck, Assassin’s Creed 7 looks totally awesome. The shiny penny is still shiny, even if it’s only a penny. As the launch date approaches, they’ll find a way to reconcile their moral objections with their need for 9 trillion texture fills per second, like a baptist pastor with a knocked up 15 year old threads the Biblical needle on the way to the Planned Parenthood clinic. By holiday buying season it’ll be full-throated console warfare all over again – but this time without the Wii, because it’s universally agreed to be shit – even Jesus says so.
different-church-lady
@? Martin: The NSA has joystick loggers, but nobody cares.
Cassidy
@? Martin: Nah. I’ll stick with the 360. The catalogue is too deep to give it up just yet. And soon, all those cheap used games….
Steeplejack
@Roger Moore:
Feedlot Bears would be a good band name. For a lightly motivated, low-talent but strangely amiable bar band.
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady:
Dead Bear Ranchers also a good band name. This thread is gold!
ETA: Joystick Loggers! You are en fuego!
Roger Moore
@different-church-lady:
If we seriously started raising bear for food, I bet we could breed a lot of the aggression out of them. And it’s not as though cattle are perfectly safe animals to deal with, either, what with the horns and the hooves and very large body mass and all. If we want safe animals, we should stick to chickens and turkeys- except for the avian flu.
jamick6000
@Cassidy: settle down buddy, I’m not scared to type back and forth with you on the internet!
1. barking is not a language.
2. dogs are not people. just like chickens or fishes are not people.
lets go with your analogy, since you think dogs are human. how would you like it if you were fed horse meat and were locked up in a house all day, every day? how would you like it if someone walked you around on a leash? can you not see how silly you are being?
Cassidy
@jamick6000: So chickenshit won’t answer. Got it.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@? Martin: I don’t have a pony in that race. Don’t even have a console. (OK, I have an old Wii I use for DDR, but that’s the only game I’ve ever bought for it.)
Just noticing that the XBox fanboys have been very quiet. The ones that haven’t been loudly proclaiming their conversion to the PS, that is. It’s kind of a relief. I see enough of that wading through discussions about ways to fix W8.
Another Halocene Human
I had another bad experience with my local breakfast place. It will force me to drive to the local IHOP which isn’t even a very good IHOP.
IHOP has good coffee. Lots of local places have good coffee but expect you to eat hated oatmeal or inedible (to me) gluten baked goods. Fuck that noise.
I could fry my own eggs, but that’s crazy talk.
Another Halocene Human
@Suffern ACE: Entitlement reform = working people take it right up the ass
Sort of reminiscent of that scene in “My Fellow Americans” where the two rival D and R presidents get stranded and a working class white couple picks them up. After a few minutes, the couple are ranting that BOTH parties had screwed them but good.
As that wise black dude on the street at the union rally in New Jersey said, we believe in shared sacrifice if it’s actually shared.
Another Halocene Human
I got a lefty academic rag in Chicago a few weeks ago cuz this homeless dude was soliciting donations and my Presbyterian friend gave him a dollar “because he thought if he gave him a dollar, he would go away”. It actually was not a collection of Maoist screeds but rather dry and highly academic proceedings among academic leftists.
Anyway, just though I’d note they were talking about reform and revolution and acknowledged that the word reform has become repellant to proles after being hijacked by neoliberals to mean “your benefits get cut”.
Amir Khalid
@Another Halocene Human:
Whoa, dude. Settle down. It’s just oatmeal.
furklempt
@jamick6000:
The total inability of some to differentiate their own opinions and feels from universal truth is both irritating and somewhat funny.
Origuy
@different-church-lady:
I wonder about the first guys (had to be guys) who looked at an aurochs and and thought, “I could tame that and breed it. Maybe even get milk from it.”
Amir Khalid
@Origuy:
Now that you mention it, I kind of wonder about that very first round-up, and the aurochs’ suspicions about WTF was going on here.
different-church-lady
@Origuy: I want to know who the first person was who though, “Hmmm… I can cut a person open, mess around with their innards a bit, and then close the cut back up… and it will be okay!”
Comrade Mary
@Hal: Looks like she and the kids have left. Good!
Stella B.
@Roger Moore: are you kidding me? vi, of course. Kids these days.