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You are here: Home / Politics / Glibertarianism / Corey Robin Can’t Be Right

Corey Robin Can’t Be Right

by $8 blue check mistermix|  June 26, 20134:31 pm| 74 Comments

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Libertarians aren’t inherently right wing–why, here’s Rand Paul defending the right of gays to marry on the Glenn Beck show:

“I think this is the conundrum and gets back to what you were saying in the opening — whether or not churches should decide this. But it is difficult because if we have no laws on this people take it to one extension further. Does it have to be humans?

Just kidding, he was using the same argument Rick Santorum made, that if gays can marry, then we might as well have man on child or man on dog. He’s just another bigot like the rest of them.

Also, too: I was joking about “states rights” in the post about Prop 8, but DOMA was pure states rights, and the gap-toothed, pin-headed majority of Rand’s state still has every right to display their bigoted ignorance by voting to outlaw gay marriage even after 5 unelected judges in robes defied the will of God.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    June 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Time for a poll:

    1) Will the GOP nominee in 2016 support gay marriage?
    2) If not, can he win the general election (no, it won’t be a she)?

    Nice for the wedge to be on the other foot for once.

  2. 2.

    MikeJ

    June 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Once again Republicans demonstrate that they don’t understand “consent.”

  3. 3.

    BGinCHI

    June 26, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    What do you call a libertarian who is also a liberal?

  4. 4.

    raven

    June 26, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    @Baud: wedgie

  5. 5.

    Hal

    June 26, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    But but but he opposes drones!!!

  6. 6.

    BGinCHI

    June 26, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    @Baud: Hell no and just plain no.

  7. 7.

    MikeJ

    June 26, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    @Hal: Unless you’re walking out of a liquor store. Then he’s all for them.

  8. 8.

    beltane

    June 26, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    @MikeJ: They also don’t believe in the concept of rights at all except in the sense of “might makes right”.

  9. 9.

    FlipYrWhig

    June 26, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    @BGinCHI: That’s one of those mythological beasts, like a hippogriff or a chimera.

  10. 10.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    June 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    the gap-toothed, pin-headed majority of Rand’s state still have every right to display their bigoted ignorance by voting to outlaw gay marriage even after 5 unelected judges in robes defied the will of God.

    Right after outlawing gay marriage, they can move on to outlawing joyful marriage, then happy marriage, then contented marriage, until all that’s left is disgruntled marriage.

    May they reap what they sow.

  11. 11.

    Quaker in a Basement

    June 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Same sex couples can be wed under the care of our Quaker Meeting. Where are all the “religious freedom” advocates when the state refuses to recognize these marriages?

  12. 12.

    negative 1

    June 26, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Because nuance in libertarianism seems to only peek out when it’s on socially conservative issues. Funny, that.

  13. 13.

    Zifnab

    June 26, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    @Quaker in a Basement: If Quakers can allow gays to get married, what’s to keep them from letting you get married to your oatmeal? NOTHING!

  14. 14.

    beltane

    June 26, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    @BGinCHI: Confused.

  15. 15.

    MomSense

    June 26, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Ok, remember all the talk about Hagel not being progressive enough for the Sec Def? I am loving Sec Def Hagel right now. Here he is on spousal benefits.

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Secretary_Hagel_Has_Their_Backs?src=soc_fcbks

  16. 16.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    @Quaker in a Basement: Protesting outside?

  17. 17.

    Shakezula

    June 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    The fact that he was on BeckTV is a bit of a give away.

    The rest of a quote makes me wonder if Dr. R. Paul has been abusing prescription narcotics. Something about marriage prevents kids from living in poverty so we need marriage, but only male female marriage because herp. And derp.

  18. 18.

    BGinCHI

    June 26, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    It has always struck me that Libertarians learned the “freedom from” part but either have no idea about (or choose to ignore) the “freedom to” part. One without the other is a teenage fantasy.

    Sloppy reading of Isaiah Berlin among others.

  19. 19.

    BGinCHI

    June 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    @Zifnab: They have been in the pocket of Big Oatmeal for a long time.

  20. 20.

    Svensker

    June 26, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    @Zifnab:

    That made me LOL.

  21. 21.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 26, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Peace, love, dope.

    Oh, and keeping those fucking people in wheelchairs in their place.

  22. 22.

    the Conster

    June 26, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    @MikeJ:

    Seriously – I’ve had to point this little fact out to married people who make this ridiculous comment about SSM who seem to think that the fact that both parties to their marriage had to sign their license, IN PERSON, is somehow irrelevant to the argument. The stupid does burn bright.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    June 26, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Paul is speaking gobbledygook on purpose. He can’t give a straight answer without pissing off some constituency he’s going to need for his presidential run.

  24. 24.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 26, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    @Baud:

    Yes, the vile little shit learned his lesson from that Rachel Maddow appearance where he committed a classic “Kinsley gaffe”.

  25. 25.

    Shakezula

    June 26, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    @Quaker in a Basement: Because that isn’t a real church as defined by these people. Recognizing equal marriage automatically excludes a religion from being a “real” church.

  26. 26.

    Trollhattan

    June 26, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    He’s just another bigot like the rest of them.

    In related news, I waas shocked, SHOCKED the sun shone this morning in my eastward-facing windows.

    Is there one sentient being who thinks Rand Paul is anything other than a standard-issue self-serving Republican from central casting?

  27. 27.

    SatanicPanic

    June 26, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    @BGinCHI: Lonely.

  28. 28.

    EconWatcher

    June 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    OT, but ruh-roh for my own Governor McDonnell here in Virginia.

    There was a series of revelations about obviously inappropriate gifts made by a political supporter who had business before the Commonwealth. But until now, the Governor has been able to hide behind the figleaf that they were gifts to his wife, not to him. (VA law apparently has a loophole you could drive a truck through about disclosures of gifts if they were to family members rather than the officeholder himself.)

    No more. Now we’ve apparently got a $6,500 Rolex that went straight to the Governor, but was not disclosed.

    Never mind the ethics, how dumb and classless do you have to be? I work in a job in which I can’t let a vendor buy me lunch or anything else if it costs more than $25, and I just keep it simple by paying my own way on everything, even if it’s a cup of coffee.

    What kind of an adult in a position of influence thinks it’s OK to accept a $6,500 watch from an interested party–and a $10,000 shopping trip for your spouse?

    I knew McDonnell was a wingnut, but I didn’t know he was such a two-bit grifter. Wow.

  29. 29.

    ? Martin

    June 26, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Justice is not always swift:

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal appeals court says it will wait at least 25 days before allowing gay marriages to resume in California.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Wednesday that it will take at least that long for the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling to become official.

  30. 30.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    @Trollhattan: Tricky of you to put sentient in there.

  31. 31.

    Trollhattan

    June 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    @EconWatcher:
    Bet he’s praying to Allah it’s a Russian fake.

  32. 32.

    ? Martin

    June 26, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    @EconWatcher:

    I knew McDonnell was a wingnut, but I didn’t know he was such a two-bit grifter. Wow.

    You must use some alternate definition of wingnut than the rest of us.

  33. 33.

    Trollhattan

    June 26, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    It’s my get-out-of-snark-free card.

  34. 34.

    KmCO

    June 26, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I know you’re joking (or at least I assume you are with your first sentence), but if there is one group of people that libertarians seem to hate with the intensity of a thousand suns, it’s hippies.

  35. 35.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 26, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    @EconWatcher:

    I knew McDonnell was a wingnut, but I didn’t know he was such a two-bit grifter. Wow.

    Oh, come on now. You had to suspect. Afterall, wingnuts have been SERIOUSLY into grifting since the days of snake oil and bible salesmen (h/t Ryan and Tatum O’Neal). All of televangelism is grift, every last bit of it. Then you have bottom feeding scum like Newt Gingrich and Failin’ Palin.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    June 26, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    Can’t vouch for sentience, but neocon John Bolton is apparently considering a presidential run out of fear that Rand means it when he says he wants to be less interventionist.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    June 26, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    What if humans married drones and produced the ultimate fighting machine?

    THESE ARE SERIOUS QUESTIONS, FOLKS!

  38. 38.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 26, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    @KmCO:

    Yeah, but there’s Ron/Rand Paul, fearless opponents of the MIC (Peace), Ron/Rand Paul, of the Paul ReLOVEution, and of course Ron/Rand Paul saying the feds should get out of the weed prohibtion business (Dope).

    Nevermind that providing access to buildings for those in wheelchairs might cost these two grifting asshats some money…heaven forefend they should include the rights of non-perfect humans into their calculus. I’m big on this issue because I’ve got a friend (who is a wizard mail server administrator) who is confined to a wheelchair, and we run into access issues when meeting for dinner on occasion, still, in deep blue Oregon. Imagine what it must be like in Kentucky…

  39. 39.

    Trollhattan

    June 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    @Baud:
    Oh. Mah. Gawd.

    After the ’12 Republican primary clown parade I thought, “This will never be topped for sheer entertainment.value.” Bolton and Paul alone can prove me wrong, wrong, wrong. The special Fox “Who would Jesus bomb?” debate would be especially enlightening.

    Are Cruz and Gomert doing any a-thinkin’ on a run?

  40. 40.

    ? Martin

    June 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @Baud: Sweet Jesus, make it so. Nothing could make 2016 more entertaining than Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, and John Fucking Bolton all on the same primary debate stage. Can we convince Pam Gellar to jump in as well?

  41. 41.

    NonyNony

    June 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @EconWatcher:

    I knew McDonnell was a wingnut, but I didn’t know he was such a two-bit grifter. Wow.

    It’s pretty obvious that there are only two kinds of wingnut – grifters and marks.

    And the Venn Diagram has a strong overlap on those two categories too – many of the folks who are grifters are also marks for grifters higher up the wingnut chain.

  42. 42.

    joes527

    June 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    That’s one of those mythological beasts, like a hippogriff or a chimera.

    real.

  43. 43.

    ? Martin

    June 26, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    @Trollhattan: Gohmert, absolutely. But don’t underestimate Cruz. He’s dangerous. He knows just what to say to get headlines and will play the electorate as GWB did. And he’s not dumb. He can get elected.

  44. 44.

    Trollhattan

    June 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    @? Martin:

    Can we convince Pam Gellar to jump in as well?

    So long as it’s on a trampoline.

  45. 45.

    Comrade Dread

    June 26, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    @MikeJ: Judging from how they talk about rape, I would have thought that was a given.

  46. 46.

    Trollhattan

    June 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    @? Martin:
    Cruz has a certain debate-team-vice-president glibness but dear lord, on camera he projects oily car salesman even before he opens his yap.

    That said, our Dubya experiment convinces me to consider anybody from Texas a threat, Goodhair’s spectacular faceplant nonwithstanding.

  47. 47.

    johnny aquitard

    June 26, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    @EconWatcher:

    I knew McDonnell was a wingnut, but I didn’t know he was such a two-bit grifter.

    I’ve noticed there’s a huge overlap between the two. I’ve decided it’s sort of symbiotic thing going on.

    ‘Wingnuttery to enable the grift, grift to enable the wingnuttery’, as it were. Sort of the wingnut take on the Medici family motto.

  48. 48.

    SatanicPanic

    June 26, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    @Trollhattan: Paula Deen could bring the woman voters…

  49. 49.

    gelfling545

    June 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    @MikeJ: Ah, but could he marry a corporation??? They’re people, you know.

  50. 50.

    Alex S.

    June 26, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Being happy is an insult to God.

  51. 51.

    MikeJ

    June 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    @gelfling545:

    Ah, but could he marry a corporation??? They’re people, you know.

    Only with approval from ⅔rds of the stockholders.

  52. 52.

    gelfling545

    June 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    @Trollhattan: Well, there’s me. I don’t think he is nearly that good. You flatter the man.

  53. 53.

    Alex S.

    June 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Interesting, yes: Conservatives choose to believe in perfect markets because if they weren’t, they would suddenly have to realize all the crap they bought through the years.

  54. 54.

    ? Martin

    June 26, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    Cruz has a certain debate-team-vice-president glibness but dear lord, on camera he projects oily car salesman even before he opens his yap.

    Yeah, I know what you mean, but Cruz is completely shameless on policy. He’ll pivot on a dime and say convincingly whatever he needs to say to win. I’m hoping he aims for TX-Gov instead.

  55. 55.

    quannlace

    June 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    He’s just another bigot like the rest of them.

    Nah, just a moron. Who thinks he’s oh-so-clever. Like the wags who did the ‘Garden of Eden was Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve. (cue snicker.)”

    They seem unable to get it thru their thick heads that it’s marriage between two adults. All this ‘man on dog, man on armadillo….horse…goat” says a bit more about their fever dreams…

  56. 56.

    Eric U.

    June 26, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    @MikeJ: I believe that nobody walks out of a liquor store after robbing it of $50 unless they are blah. Which makes it ok by Rand if they are taken out by dronze.

  57. 57.

    Chris

    June 26, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    @Baud:

    Paul is speaking gobbledygook on purpose. He can’t give a straight answer without pissing off some constituency he’s going to need for his presidential run.

    This.

    Ron Paul Senior’s constituency, in my anecdotal experience, spans the spectrum from college “new left” hippies to unreconstructed Dixiecrats to “conservative but socially liberal” trust-fund babies and everything else in between. That’s only possible because the man speaks in such gibberish that everyone can project their own desires onto him.

    The only thing is that Junior doesn’t seem happy to simply sit on the sidelines grifting money from fringe voters – he’s actually trying to move into an active role in one of the two parties. If he wants that, then he’s gonna have to get more specific than his old man at some point. At least, I think he is.

  58. 58.

    third of two

    June 26, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Robin’s explication/clarification is truly awesome…by virtue of being right correct.

  59. 59.

    Chris

    June 26, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    @KmCO:

    Libertarians live by an ideology that comes down to “if it feels good, do it.”

    Which is strikingly similar to the ideology of DFHs, or at least the ideology that’s ascribed to DFHs. Libertarians are terrified that that might someday occur to someone, and so, they work furiously to differentiate themselves from the DFHs by attacking them at every opportunity.

  60. 60.

    Captain C

    June 26, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    If a non-human animal could actually demonstrate informed consent, then it may be appropriate to make the comparison.

    On the other hand (or paw), if a non-human animal could actually demonstrate informed consent, then there may not be an ethical problem with human-nonhuman marriage (other than the potential squick factor).

  61. 61.

    Anoniminous

    June 26, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    @quannlace:

    And, possibly, their porn collection.

  62. 62.

    daverave

    June 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    @? Martin:

    you’re right about Cruz… I went slumming on RedState earlier today and the repub with the most positive mentions in the comments was definitely Cruz. Although I don’t know about post-primary chances.

  63. 63.

    Haydnseek

    June 26, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    @Quaker in a Basement: This is wonderful, but marriage is not a religious institution. It is a civil one. You can have all the religious ceremony you desire, but unless you’ve met the requirements at city hall, you’re not legally married.

  64. 64.

    The Other Chuck

    June 26, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    @Chris:

    Libertarians live by an ideology that comes down to “if it feels good, –do it– it should be commoditized and charged for by an unaccountable corporation.”

    FTFY. Or would if wordpress weren’t such a FESTERING PILE OF EXCREMENT WHERE ARE MY GODDAM S TAGS?

  65. 65.

    Original Lee

    June 26, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    @Haydnseek: Exactly. If a religious ceremony were all that was required, then Patricia Kenneally would be Jim Morrison’s widow.

  66. 66.

    Epicurus

    June 26, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    “…the gap-toothed, pin-headed majority of Rand’s state still has every right to display their bigoted ignorance…” Ahem, they have already done so, twice; q.v., McConnell, Mitch and Paul, Rand.

  67. 67.

    Chris T.

    June 26, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Just kidding, he was using the same argument Rick Santorum made, that if gays can marry, then we might as well have man on child or man on dog.

    Yes, because children and dogs can give informed consent and sign contracts!

  68. 68.

    Kay

    June 26, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    I’m so glad Rand Paul.is running for President.
    He’s completely full.of shit but I love the new compassionate libertarian pose.
    He’d like to have NO LAWS, really, but he’ll compromise in the case of marriage because of…marrying people to animals.
    Does anyone know what he thinks about ACTUAL.marriage law yet, or is he still getting away with this bullshit?
    Blah, blah, blah, Rand, what’s your point?

  69. 69.

    dubyabee

    June 26, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    the gap-toothed, pin-headed majority of Rand’s state still has every right to display their bigoted ignorance by voting to outlaw gay marriage even after 5 unelected judges in robes defied the will of God.

    We already have. Quite sometime ago. We also ammended our state constitution to prevent it, just in case some state judge got uppity

    KRS Chapter 402.00

  70. 70.

    RaflW

    June 26, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Rand Paul has proven himself to be a shitheel, and frankly, Libertarianism as promulgated in real life is a political philosophy for shitheels who want everything for themselves and to hell with you an me.
    That is all.

  71. 71.

    LosGatosCA

    June 27, 2013 at 2:10 am

    I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m putting all my money into the eHarmonyforDogsandHumans.com matchmaking site.

    It’s going to be bigger than WebVan, I guarantee it.

  72. 72.

    Paul in KY

    June 27, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    @EconWatcher: $16,500 is not two-bit, IMO. Over here in gap-toothville, we had a sting operation about 20 years ago where the state representatives were being bought for $600.00.

    That is ‘two-bit’.

  73. 73.

    Paul in KY

    June 27, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    @Trollhattan: With a convenient cliff right beside said trampoline.

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