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Still not listening

by Kay|  June 27, 20131:52 pm| 73 Comments

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Rick Perry is very disappointed that a grown woman doesn’t understand her own life and experiences in exactly the same way he and the attendees of the National Right To Life Convention do. First he defines what her life means, and then sorrowfully recounts how she just hasn’t learned the right lessons from his definition of her life:

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) on Thursday invoked state Sen. Wendy Davis’ (D) personal experience as the daughter of a single woman and a teenage mother herself to argue for the passage of a bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks — legislation that was at least temporarily blocked earlier this week due to an 11 hour filibuster led by the Texas Democrat.

“Who are we to say that children born into the worst of circumstances can’t grow to live successful lives?” he asked in his address at the National Right to Convention in Dallas, Texas. “She was the daughter of as single woman, she was a teenage mother herself. She managed to eventually graduate from Harvard Law School and serve in the Texas senate. It is just unfortunate that she hasn’t learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters.”

Yeah, Rick. Because that’s what she said over those hours and hours: “children born into the worst of circumstances can’t grow to live successful lives.”

They don’t listen to a single word we say. Thanks again to Davis for making that abundantly clear.

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  1. 1.

    Yatsuno

    June 27, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    She’s just a woman after all Kay. It’s not like her opinion has any import or value there. Especially not to the good Governour, especially when it comes to protectin’ TEH BEBEHS!! until birth then get a jerb you lazy moochers!

  2. 2.

    feebog

    June 27, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    So maybe Ms Davis personal experience as a single mom should count more than that of an ignorant, self righteous jackass, ya think?

  3. 3.

    Kay

    June 27, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    The LECTURE. She should now tell Rick Perry what his life means, and what he should have learned from that.

    I’m extremely disappointed in him myself.

  4. 4.

    Cassidy

    June 27, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    She’s just a woman sperm receptacle and incubator after all Kay

    Depressingly more true.

  5. 5.

    Trollhattan

    June 27, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Just saw this. Does he really want Wendy Davis to give him a Duckworthing? Because he’s just asked for one.

    OTOH, Happy Five-Hundredth Execution, Texas!

  6. 6.

    Comrade Jake

    June 27, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    A friend of mine posted the following on FB (feel free to repost):

    If anyone is wondering why 20 weeks is such a big deal, here’s a reason. Medical ultrasounds happen at 18 weeks. This is a screening test for a variety of developmental disorders. Imagine you are in the ultrasound room watching your baby hiccup and squirm. Then the technician steps out and returns with a doctor you’ve never met who says: I’m so sorry to have to tell you this, but your wonderful little baby appears to have a disease that is incompatible with life. Your baby will likely never go home with you. But we need to perform confirmatory testing to be sure. The doctor performs amniocentesis that day, but lab test results take time. Let’s say your ultrasound was at 18 weeks 5 days. By the time the results come back and you get counseling on them the clock has run to 20 weeks 0 days. And now the most important decision you will probably ever make–how to give your beautiful, broken child the least painful death she or he can have–has been taken from you by a legislature that thinks it knows better. That’s why 20 weeks matters.

  7. 7.

    TenguPhule

    June 27, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “Who are we to say that children born into the worst of circumstances can’t grow to live successful lives?”

    Yeah, who do these women think they are, The Health Insurance Agencies?

    Because as I recall, its perfectly legal to kill men, women and children in Texas as long as they can’t afford their medical bills.

  8. 8.

    TenguPhule

    June 27, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    @Kay: The Luckiest Sperm of Evil to survive the Vaginal Hunger Games?

  9. 9.

    Hunter Gathers

    June 27, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    The only things missing from that statement were Gov. Goodhair’s demands that Wendy Davis make him a sammich and then to suck his shriveled dick.

  10. 10.

    scav

    June 27, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    How dare that slut stand up, represent a constituency and interpret her own life?​!

    In Public!

    In Texas!

  11. 11.

    MattF

    June 27, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    “And here in Texas we’re doing everything in our power to insure that children are born into the worst of circumstances.” That was embarrassingly easy.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    June 27, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Under Perry’s “logic,” everyone should be required to have as many babies as humanly possible, because it’s possible they could grow up to have successful lives.

  13. 13.

    burnspbesq

    June 27, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    OTOH, Happy Five-Hundredth Execution, Texas!

    Committed to human life … except when they’re not.

  14. 14.

    Elizabelle

    June 27, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    And the lucky 500th was a woman.

    It’s Ladies Week in Texas.

    Now: ladies of Texas: why are you sleeping with these losers?

    Why should your daughters?

  15. 15.

    Violet

    June 27, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Related: Texas Sen. Dan Patrick announced today he’s running for Lt. Governor of Texas. In case you don’t know who he is, here’s his reaction to Wendy Davis’s filibuster and the crowd:

    “It was an embarrassment,” Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, said of Tuesday night’s events. “I didn’t fear for my safety, but I did fear for our constitution. You cannot have mob rule dictate whether a bill passes or not.”

    These idiots in Texas fail upwards.

  16. 16.

    Hunter Gathers

    June 27, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Wendy Davis’ reply to the human stain known as Rick Perry:

    “They are small words that reflect a dark and negative point of view,” Davis told the Associated Press Thursday. “Our governor should reflect our Texas values. Sadly, Gov. Perry fails that test.”

    Not the language I would have used, but effective nonetheless.

  17. 17.

    bemused

    June 27, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    The most clueless, fucked up, self-righteous people in this country live to lecture.

  18. 18.

    Rob in CT

    June 27, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    @Comrade Jake:

    I’ve pointed that out repeatedly in other forums. To my surprise (yes, snark), that typically goes unrebutted.

    I’ve got two young kids (3 1/2 yr old and a newborn), so it’s fresh. Screening at ~18 weeks (can easily be 19 depending on the scheduling), then time for lab results, then more tests if needed, time for results… and lookie there you’re past the cutoff, sorry, you will be forced to go to term even if the fetus has massive developmental defects such that it cannot survive. How life affirming!

  19. 19.

    eric

    June 27, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    He is so right. I wish women would remember that there would be no human race if there were no men. Women should recognize their place in this Order, one to comfort the young that men bring into this world through their selfless acts of insemination. Wendy should remember that if it was not for her father, she would not be here right now!

  20. 20.

    BGinCHI

    June 27, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Rick Perry demonstrated the extent of his thinking skills in the GOP debates.

    He is fucking stupid. The people who follow him and believe him are fucking stupid. It’s simple, actually.

  21. 21.

    amk

    June 27, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    @MattF: Bingo. The moron can’t think beyond two words.

  22. 22.

    Violet

    June 27, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    @Hunter Gathers: Pretty good language if you’re thinking about running for Governor yourself.

  23. 23.

    azrev

    June 27, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Since when does being born to a single mother qualify as “the worst of circumstances”? I would consider being born into a two parent family with a father like Perry as a far worse situation.

  24. 24.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    June 27, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    ” … and that every life matters.”

    Said the governor of the state that executed the 500th person since 1976. But, hey, who’s counting?

  25. 25.

    Kay

    June 27, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    @Hunter Gathers:

    I had the same response, though. It’s aggressive. It’s a nasty shot cloaked in “caring” and a way to try and shut her up.
    Invoking her mother, herself and her child? He thinks it’s “unfortunate” that she didn’t “learn”? That’s why he said it? My ass.

  26. 26.

    ? Martin

    June 27, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Because as I recall, its perfectly legal to kill men, women and children in Texas as long as they can’t afford their medical bills.

    Not to mention if you pay them for a blow job and they don’t follow through – provided it’s at night, of course.

  27. 27.

    eric

    June 27, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @Kay: i haz a sad because if there was ever a single solitary moment that demanded Ivins or Richards, this is it. Seriously, what they would do to this nonsense makes me miss them all the more.

  28. 28.

    Southern Beale

    June 27, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Also, there was a lot more to that Texas abortion bill than just a ban after 20 weeks. It also demanded abortion clinics abide by standards so impossibly high that all but 2 clinics would be forced to close.

  29. 29.

    RaflW

    June 27, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Baby incubators should be seen and not heard. Certainly they should be redistricted out of a job.

    Or, we can donate to her campaign and tell Rick Perry to f*ck himself. That way he won’t be at risk of making a baby.

  30. 30.

    PeakVT

    June 27, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    It is just unfortunate that she hasn’t learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential

    So Perry is a big support of free maternal health care, universal pre-k, and free college tuition?

    Wait, you mean isn’t?

    Huh.

    It’s almost like he’s completely full of shit.

  31. 31.

    Rob in CT

    June 27, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    @Southern Beale:

    Apparently, regulations that harm “job creators” are terrible until they’re not…

  32. 32.

    jibeaux

    June 27, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    They don’t listen to a single word we say.

    Not even if you talk for thirteen consecutive hours.

  33. 33.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    June 27, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    If you give ’em shoes they’ll use them to walk out of the kitchen. If Wendy Davis had stayed in her God-given place it wouldn’t have been necessary for Governor Perry to lecture her.

    /Texas Republican

  34. 34.

    srv

    June 27, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    I don’t know if we can wait for Texas to go purple.

  35. 35.

    RaflW

    June 27, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    @Violet:

    You cannot have mob rule dictate whether a bill passes or not.

    Has this a-hole ever stepped across the hall to the Texas House?

  36. 36.

    slag

    June 27, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    It is just unfortunate that she hasn’t learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters.

    Oh fuck you. You education-unfunding, safety net-dismantling, environment-degrading asshat. If you and your fellow Republicans paid half as much attention to the born as you do the pre-born, maybe many more “lives” would realize their full potential.

    There’s a reason Wendy Davis and many more like her are pro-choice Democrats. And maybe it has something to do with the grotesquely antediluvian attitudes of you and your fellow con artists.

  37. 37.

    gene108

    June 27, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    You know who else was raised by a single teenage mom and went to Harvard Law School?

  38. 38.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    June 27, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    @RaflW:

    Or as Weigel tweeted today I suppose all those Tea Party people mobbing congress to try and stop Health Reform were just “patriots”.

  39. 39.

    Roger Moore

    June 27, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    @Hunter Gathers:

    “Our governor should reflect our Texas values. Sadly, Gov. Perry fails that test.”

    Unfortunately, I suspect that Gov. Perry does accurately reflect the values of a large slice of Texas; that’s the problem.

  40. 40.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 27, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    These guys still think that “aren’t you happy your mother didn’t abort you?” is an argument.

  41. 41.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    June 27, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    @srv:

    I don’t know if we can wait for Texas to go purple.

    What do you mean by “wait”? Texas goes purple often – with apoplexy at the the idea that anyone’s vote should count as much as a white man’s.

  42. 42.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    June 27, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    @srv: You can’t wait for it to go purple. It will have to be turned. All waiting will do is create an apartheid state.

  43. 43.

    Citizen_X

    June 27, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    She managed to eventually graduate from Harvard Law School and serve in the Texas senate.

    He left off “…and will probably kick the crap out of me in the next Texas Governor election.”

    (So, you know: let’s make that happen!)

  44. 44.

    TaMara (BHF)

    June 27, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Jesus-Fucking-Christ.

    That’s all I got. Just Jesus-Fucking-Christ.

  45. 45.

    RaflW

    June 27, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    @srv:
    Don’t wait, help make it happen.

    National Democrats made a huge tactical mistake in basically walking away from Texas many years ago. Sure, Texas has been a GOP bastion for a couple decades, but not investing in on-the-ground efforts has cost a lot: many cities could have been bluer, many local races could have been more competitive, many candidates could have been groomed for a future that is coming.

    Well, they’re waking up now. I’ll stop complaining and start cheering on Battleground Texas and other efforts. My friends still live in Austin and DFW, and some of my family is in Houston. They deserve better than the crap gov’t they have now.

  46. 46.

    Josie

    June 27, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    @BGinCHI: This is the FSM’s truth. As a life long Texan, I can attest to the fact that he is a stupid, stupid man. On top of that, he is spiteful. When even Karl Rove doesn’t like you, you are really doing something wrong.

  47. 47.

    Citizen_X

    June 27, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    @slag:

    You education-unfunding, safety net-dismantling, environment-degrading asshat.

    Oh, but that was because we were having such a dire funding crisis.

    Which is apparently over, because now Gov. Goodhair says we can afford a Luxury 2nd Special Legislative Session, for to stop all the abortioning.

  48. 48.

    scav

    June 27, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    @Citizen_X: Why don’t they hold it in West and rebuild a school or two to hold their Special
    Special Session in while they’re at it? Or would that interfere with their whining about those nasty nasty federales not covering the costs of their locally enabled disasters?

  49. 49.

    Redshift

    June 27, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “It is just unfortunate that she hasn’t learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters.”

    Isn’t it impressive the conclusions you can reach if you start from the premise that the pregnant woman in this situation is completely invisible, and thus not a life that “must be given a chance to realize its full potential”?

    A difficult balancing of rights becomes so black-and-white once you decide that only one of them is a “life.”

  50. 50.

    Betty Cracker

    June 27, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Please, Governor Perry and fellow GOP troglodytes — please to continue the mansplaining. Really — please proceed, governor.

  51. 51.

    slag

    June 27, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    @Citizen_X: What an absolutely disgusting “human being” he is. Back when he was running for US Pres, I took him for just another good ol’ boob. Now, all I think of him is: ick!

  52. 52.

    comrade scott's agenda of rage

    June 27, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    @gene108:

    She’s got a great video that gives her life story:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/27/1219452/-Not-Your-Typical-Harvard-Law-School-Grad?detail=hide

    He even took the “single teen age mother” dog whistle out of context in order to make it a dog whistle.

  53. 53.

    slag

    June 27, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    @Citizen_X: And another thing…Anyone who spends any amount of time with youth in low-income communities has a deeply acute awareness of the potential that’s being thrown away daily by the likes of ick Perry. So all I can say is fuck him, his hat made of 100% ass, and the horse he rode in on.

  54. 54.

    Lolis

    June 27, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Holy crap! Rick Perry just pissed off nearly every woman in Texas. Bless his heart!

  55. 55.

    Roger Moore

    June 27, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    @PeakVT:

    It is just unfortunate that she hasn’t learned from her own example that every fetal life must be given a chance to realize its full potential of birth

    Translated from wingnut.

  56. 56.

    Rob in CT

    June 27, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    @Lolis:

    I wish I believed that. Instead, I suspect he pissed off 1/3, 1/3 is ambivalent, and 1/3 agrees with him. At best.

    I find her response lacking, actually. She could have emphasized how her choices worked out well for her, and how thankful she was that the state legislature wasn’t involved.

  57. 57.

    IowaOldLady

    June 27, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    It’s also so clear that they think women casually decide to have an abortion because they don’t want to be bothered.

  58. 58.

    IowaOldLady

    June 27, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Two more things

    1. I was talking to a pro-life friend and it became clear to me that she classifies certain things as “not-abortions.” For instance, if a woman is hemmoraging, a D&C is not an abortion.

    2. As you know, it’s against the law for Medicaid to pay for an abortion except under certain circumstances and someone has to decide whether a case meets those circumstances. Recent law here means the governor personally decides. I mean on a case by case basis, Republican Governor Brandsted decides whether you get an abortion. I’m wondering if that might teach him something as he reads awful case after awful case.

  59. 59.

    Ben Cisco

    June 27, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Imma go ahead and leave this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpk5jc-NQGc&feature=youtu.be

  60. 60.

    Rob in CT

    June 27, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    1. I was talking to a pro-life friend and it became clear to me that she classifies certain things as “not-abortions.” For instance, if a woman is hemmoraging, a D&C is not an abortion.

    Didn’t Santorum’s wife have a not-abortion?

    I mean on a case by case basis, Republican Governor Brandsted decides whether you get an abortion. I’m wondering if that might teach him something as he reads awful case after awful case.

    One can always hope, I guess.

  61. 61.

    grape_crush

    June 27, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    > First he defines what her life means, and then sorrowfully recounts how she just hasn’t learned the right lessons from his definition of her life

    Not only that, Goodhair is not being accurate when he’s implying that Davis was an ‘unwed teen mother’ ‘born into the worst of circumstances’. What a dick.

    If Perry thinks that having a kid when you’re not wealthy and will be divorced a year after the child is born disqualifies a woman from supporting reproductive choice, then being a male should disqualify him from opening his Texas-sized piehole, period.

  62. 62.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 27, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Interesting that Perry and his ilk do nothing to help actual children and their poor parents — in fact their legislation actually slashes aid to the poor. Their only focus is on the fetus. That’s why I have a hard time calling such people “pro-life”.

  63. 63.

    beergoggles

    June 27, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I wish democrats had the guts to announce to the world that rick perry is the perfect reason why abortions are necessary.

  64. 64.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 27, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    @MattF:

    “And here in Texas we’re doing everything in our power to insure that children are born into the worst of circumstances.” That was embarrassingly easy.

    Well, this obviously needs to be put side by side with Rick Perry’s other slogan about Texas: “Business is BOOMING in Texas!”

  65. 65.

    TenguPhule

    June 27, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    @IowaOldLady: Wait, so Texas pays Perry to read his own personal brand of Porn? The janitors must wish they were dead after having to clean up after that every night.

  66. 66.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 27, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    @RaflW:

    Sure, Texas has been a GOP bastion for a couple decades</
    O/T, but I'm telling eemom on you.

  67. 67.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 27, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    @RaflW:

    Sure, Texas has been a GOP bastion for a couple decades

    O/T, but I’m telling eemom on you.

  68. 68.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 27, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    @IowaOldLady:

    @IowaOldLady:

    It’s also so clear that they think women casually decide to have an abortion because they don’t want to be bothered.

    For some women, that probably is the reason they choose to have an abortion. So what? A woman who “doesn’t want to be bothered” is probably not going to be a very good mother. there are plenty of reasons to decide to have and keep a child, and plenty of reasons to choose to have a child and give it up, and plenty of reasons to choose to end the pregnancy. It’s a FSMdamned CHOICE. (I’m not yelling at you, IOL, but at the men who think/say this.)

  69. 69.

    IowaOldLady

    June 27, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You can yell. Sometimes I need yelling at. But yeah, you’re right. And the choice belongs to the woman whose body is at issue.

  70. 70.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 27, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    @IowaOldLady:

    Yup yup yup.

  71. 71.

    RaflW

    June 28, 2013 at 12:31 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Huh???

  72. 72.

    Older

    June 28, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    @Baud: Under Perry’s logic we should do our best to see that everyone is born into impoverished, single-parent families, because it’s the recipe for success.

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