I’ll be in the people’s republic of Madison in early August, and I wanted to see if there was any interest in a meet-up. It’ll be me and my boss, but I just talked to the infamous Walt, who is taking next year off and just traveling and doing his own thing as he writes a book, and he said he was going to meet us up there, so you single gay men better start getting your shit together, because this one would be a catch.
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Redshirt
Is Walt your boss?
Sibling Nonspecific Firearm of Random Adjective Followed by a Noun That Describes a Mental State (fka AWS)
i don’t know if you’ve been following the news, but it’s not so much People’s Republic of Madison, anymore, unless you mean in the traditional Maoist sense.
lojasmo
I’ll go.
ETA: if there’s a decent wine list, or a decent tap ale. My friend Paul owns a brewery with a lot of locally brewed beer
Central waters brewery.
I’m happy to scout locations. Wife is out of town, so I’ll actually be there, and shit.
MikeJ
There’s a Seattle meetup on the 13th too. It would be interesting to know if it will be any more than Yutsy, PsiFighter and me.
Seattlites, check in!
pokeyblow
@lojasmo: I could go, but doubt I’d get out alive.
: )
Jude
Well shit yes, motherfucker. We’ll drink all the goddamn beer and Union Cab the SHIT out of this place.
Oh, right. I live in Madison, let me know details, etc., etc.
lojasmo
also, give the fucking dates, dude.
EtA, may bring the prog, so there might be food offered
Comrade Carter
So… What are the dates? It’s only 80 miles from here…
lojasmo
@pokeyblow:
Funny, douche. I’d probably only give you a verbal dressing down for being a passive-aggressive, ignorant little bitch.
Pretty sure you’d make it out physically unscathed, asshole.
lojasmo
@MikeJ:
I’ll be flying in on the evening of august sixteenth. Meeting up with Y in the evening of, or morning after. Would be glad to see you.
Comrade Carter
Also, it’s the homeland of Tammy Baldwin, the best Senator from Wisconsin and one of four darn near the best in the USA!
pokeyblow
@lojasmo: I don’t want to come home in a box.
Is that so unreasonable?
lojasmo
@pokeyblow:
Can’t swear to that. You’ll have to make your own arrangements. You’ll be hemodynamically stable, and physically uninjured, but you may faint from the foul language, due to you being a little bitch.
You’re welcome to show, though.
wmd
OT: I just met someone that was on the Asiana flight 214 yesterday. He’d been in Korea for a martial arts tournament. Young man was not very pleased with SFO emergency response, said they were slow and ignoring him and other passengers pointing out severely injured passengers.
Part of that is almost certainly not processing what’s happening due to shock, and some not understanding emergency response’s first commandment – don’t become a casualty yourself.
lojasmo
@wmd:
People who have not been triage nurses at major medical centers don’t understand.
/formertriagenurse
@pokeyblow: You’re welcome in advance for my CV, you passive-agressive cunt.
ETA: pakeyblow should have the awareness to feel bad about their behavior, but do not.
Also, I work at a premier medical center, and am highly respected by my most advanced peers.
pokeyblow
@lojasmo: Your CV?
I do my own yard work. But thanks for the offer.
trollhattan
@wmd:
Holy shit, absorb some of that lucky juju. Not that many people wandering the planet who survived a fatal aircraft crash.
Looking like it was what I suspected (absent a bird-in-engine ingestion or other technical cause of a suden loss of power) which is a pilot fuckup. Apparently they came in well below stall speed and had four and a half seconds after the stall warning to abort landing. Also, too, a lot of “snapped spines” among the injured. Ugggh.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Crew-of-SF-plane-crash-tried-to-abort-landing-4650990.php#page-1
Embir
Hell ya. Broadcast coordinates.
JCJ
When would you be there? I would drive over just to be told ‘fuck you!” in person by the esteemed bloghost.
lojasmo
@pokeyblow:
Huhuh. Do you think anybody here didn’t notice your passive aggressive “thanking” of another poster for her CV in an upthread?
If you think we didn’t notice the import of that slight, you are a fool, but I am being redundant, because you are clearly a fool.
wmd
@trollhattan: I gave him a high 5 and congratulated him. He and some buddies were buying frozen pizza and a 30 pack of MGD.
I also told him that understanding emergency response isn’t easy and there could be reasons for him thinking things were too slow.
He said he was really passionate about what had happened, had seen dead people and probably should go for counseling. I said yeah, that’s a good idea.
Violent death is not easy to process, and surviving has its own issues.
pokeyblow
@lojasmo: Wow, they must call you “the eagle-eyed guy who will probably shoot this place to smithereens” at work!
Yes, I remember my conversation with Emma. John Cole made a post drawing a critical distinction between what’s on-the-books as law at a given moment, and what is constitutional. I agreed with his perspective. Emma introduced herself to me and put me straight, telling me that every single law which hasn’t been declared unconstitutional by the SC is “by definition,” constitutional.
I disagreed, but being unsure, asked her, first, whether she was a lawyer, and second, whether she could point me to some legal citation supporting her claim.
She didn’t do the second thing, but she did tell me about her work as a librarian (in a library apparently sans dictionaries, I might suggest), and her degrees in history and something from Illinois and Virginia.
I didn’t ask her for her CV, and — jokes aside — asking someone who quotes law to you whether he/she is a lawyer is not aggressive (except perhaps in this hothouse of Obama-worshipping, workplace-slaughtering-sometime-soon flowers).
So yeah, I remember. And I know all about your background I need to. You’re the one who was sent home from your work because management thought you were thisclose to murdering your fellow workers.
CaseyL
@MikeJ: I will do my best to be there! Ballard Seafood Festival is that weekend as well, but I will otherwise clear my schedule :)
Do we have a time and venue yet?
pokeyblow
@lojasmo: I’ve had a lot of jobs. High-pressure and low-pressure. White-collar executive and janitorial. Worked with hundreds of people. Some real assholes. Substance abusers, ex-cons, Ivy-leaguers, home-schooled.
Not a single person I’ve ever worked with was sent home for a few days to cool off because management figured other workers were in danger.
But that’s what your management did to you.
Mnemosyne
I’ll have to see if my brother-in-law is willing to travel that far. Would Walt be willing to move to the suburbs of Chicago for love?
magurakurin
@pokeyblow:
jesus, dude, get a life. Even cosplay and collecting Gundam figurines has to be better than the one you have now.
thalarctos
@MikeJ: What time? I have a wedding to go to that day, but if the times work out, I’ll be there.
Mnemosyne
@pokeyblow:
Wow, you’re really still upset that a mere librarian did not respect your authoritah, aren’t you? Even after an actual lawyer explained to you that Emma was right and you were wrong, you still can’t let it go.
pokeyblow
@magurakurin: Apart from responding from people who insult me first, what am I doing you disapprove of?
pokeyblow
@Mnemosyne: It’s not about my authority, forward-looking Muse of Memory.
It is about being accurate. Did I misrepresent the conversation I had with the fair Emma?
Also, did I bring it up?
Lojasmo (the Muse of Workplace Shootings) brought it up, not me. Or can’t you look that far backward?
Mnemosyne
@pokeyblow:
Yes, because Omnes corrected you in that thread and you’re pretending that he didn’t.
Emma was right and you were wrong, and you are unable to accept that you were bested by a mere librarian.
Mandalay
Speaking of Madison, this article details some conversations between University of Wisconsin students and the NSA at a recruitment drive. Here’s a tasty sample…
Sweet. Stick it to the lying fuckers!
Redshirt
@pokeyblow: Where’s the vulgarity? I was promised vulgarity.
farmette
Yes. I live south of Madison. When and where?
martha
John, if my horrible job doesn’t have me out of town, I’m in!
pokeyblow
@Mnemosyne: Man, for a Memory Muse, you sure hate the past!
If you go to this thread:
https://balloon-juice.com/2013/07/03/this-is-what-it-looks-like-when-a-superpower-shits-the-bed/
And look at #108, some cat named Lavocat says:
@Emma: Not true. Legal? Yes. Constitutional? No. The Supreme Court is the final arbiter of ANY law’s constitutionality.
Just because something may be legal, it’s supposed legality does not – on its own – cause it to also be constitutional. The two terms are entirely different.
In #112, Lavocat says:
@Emma: Um, no. In the U.S. Supreme Court’s opinion. This is simple Constitutional Law 101.
After some pleasant flirting with Emma, in #140 Lavocat says:
@Emma: Been there, done that. Not always successful but some damned fine law is made that way (yes, I am an attorney, how’d ya guess!?).
Now, Muse of Memory, what were you saying?
pokeyblow
@Redshirt: Serious question: Would you be more offended if I said “you are a racist and don’t care if people die in the desert,” or if I said “you’re an asshole?”
Perhaps you’ll be the rare honest one, and will answer my question directly.
Mnemosyne
@pokeyblow:
Huh. Funny how you avoided the comment by the commenter I specifically named:
I guess someone here has a faulty memory, but it ain’t me.
Gex
I may head there from Minneapolis if there’s going to be a gathering.
Redshirt
@pokeyblow: I’m not sure what vulgarity on the Internet ever solves, regardless of the situation. Especially the over-the-top vulgarity you’ve displayed. It’s not effective nor constructive.
trollhattan
@wmd:
Yeah, all you or anybody can do is be a friend and gently steer him to help when/if he’s ready for it. Takes awhile for the impact of the experience to seep in.
A buddy was at the Reno Air Show crash two years ago, was injured (minor) and saw a lot of death and gore. He still deals with it today. Not anything that adheres to a schedule.
Punchy
You have a boss? Wait…you have a JOB?
The Reverend Lowdown
Definitely coming out of the North Woods for this. When and Where?
Fluffy
Crap, I was in Madison this weekend, I’ll be there next weekend but I won’t be there in early Aug. grrrrrrrrrr
pokeyblow
@Mnemosyne:
#66, from me: @Omnes Omnibus: Not trying to be a dick, but what she wrote in #20, setting me straight, was not what she’s saying now.
#72, from Omnes: @pokeyblow: What she said at 20 is basically correct.
??? Basically? Basically?
#84, from Omnes: @pokeyblow: There is a presumption that any law passed by Congress and signed by the President is constitutional. The presumption is rebuttable, and a lawsuit that results in the courts finding the law unconstitutional successfully rebuts the presumption.
??? Something presumed is not something defined, which is what little Emma said in the first place.
#95, from Omnes: @pokeyblow: The effect in a court is the same. Until and unless struck down on constitutional grounds, a duly passed and signed piece of legislation is valid law. Do you want to fight over the semantics of this or would you prefer to focus on the fact that the laws suck and should be changed?
??? Ha ha! The ol’ this is about semantics play! Remember what your sweetheart Emma said:
until and if the Supreme Court declares it unconstitutional any law passed by Congress and signed by the President is, by definition, constitutional.
You are a piss-poor Muse of Memory. At least you had the decency not to call yourself Aletheia.
pokeyblow
@Redshirt: So you’re ok when people say specific, awful, demonstrably untrue things about you?
People you’ve never met?
That’s ok? And if someone says you’re a child molester, and you say “fuck you, I am not, and you have no basis for saying so!”… you’d feel badly about your inappropriate behavior?
Please answer again, and please answer the question. Thanks.
Rusty
I’m about 80 miles away. I’d probably make the trip if there’s a meet up. I’m a pretty infrequent commenter but a long time reader of the blog.
max
Well, while you guys were having whatever fight you’re having, I went and played the new Google Doodle, which is the best thing since the PacMan doodle.
max
[‘So go have fun.’]
YellowJournalism
@JCJ: That would be an awesome fundraiser for pet rescue. “Enter and win a chance to be told to ‘go fuck yourself’ by John Cole in person!”
Or maybe John records a ringtone yelling for us to answer the fucking phone. Or one of John yelling for Tunch around the neighbourhood.
Kristine
I’d be interested in the Madison meet-up!
Punchy
@pokeyblow: I’ve never used the pie filter before, but It looks like you may prompt a change here soon.
burnspbesq
@pokeyblow:
I’m an optimist. I continue to believe that someday, somehow, you will make a positive contribution to a thread on this blog.
Alas, this is not that thread.
kideni
Count me in! I’ve loved hearing John’s reports of exploring my fair city the last couple of times he’s been here – I think he’s been to more places than I have, and I’ve been here twelve years.
pokeyblow
@Punchy: Tell me, why did you have to tell me?
Do you think the threat of you filtering me constitutes some sort of threat I’m going to react to with fear and dread?
Let me recommend something else: If I am factually wrong, correct me. I’m sorry (that’s a stretch) if I upset your internet friends by insisting they back up what they say about my opinions with actual instances (all available… check out “google.com”) of my expressing them.
But if you want to make your friends feel better, why not rescue them by going and finding the smoking-guns which prove me to be the awful person I’m portrayed to be?
What could be easier?
Or, go ahead and filter me. But please don’t pretend I give two fucks in a cat’s ass if you do.
Suffern ACE
I’m going to be in Wisconsin the first weekend in August. I hope there is a match.
pokeyblow
@burnspbesq: Seriously, what’s your advice? Look at the Immigration Law thread. I made a comment. Out of the Balloon-Juice-commentary mainstream, but not radically offensive (in my opinion):
@dmbeaster: And it is important to always give the republicans any price they ask, rather than being mean to them or applying any other political pressure.
In response to this (which didn’t anger me and is outside the discussion, from my perspective, not trying to be mean to dmbeaster):
I think this crap was the price for Republican Senate support. It was not some sleepy provision that Dems overlooked. Parene is off in his characterization.
Then, from the peanut gallery, Cacti says:
Has pokeyblow stopped by to whitesplain how the Senate bill is actually a terrible betrayal of something something and Mexicans would be better off dying in the Arizona desert?
And that’s what started all this. So I should be lectured for defending myself?
If you hate me because that’s what the cool [sic] people here do, that’s fine. If you’re honest, though, please give me some more background on why I’m such a bad guy. With citations to what I say unprovoked.
Childe Roland
I could meet up as well. if my family plans do not change that is….
J.Ty
I wish people would stop saying ‘mere librarian.’ We’re badasses.
pokeyblow
@J.Ty: I agree.
Books are #1. Reading books is the key to a future. I love libraries, I love books, I love learning.
And, again, I’m not the one who ever said “mere librarian.”
BillinGlendaleCA
@J.Ty: This is true, my former neighbor is a librarian.
Mandalay
That’s what happens when referees act like librarians.
Mnemosyne
@pokeyblow:
Again, the sequence of events here seems to be that Emma was correct and you were completely unwilling to accept that fact even after several other commenters — including an actual judge, Omnes — told you that she was right and you were wrong.
And you are still unable to accept that, to the point of re-posting the exact comments showing that you were wrong and insisting that the use of the word “basically” totally proves you were right all along.
You may want to ask yourself why the fact that Emma was right and you were wrong sent you into such a tailspin that you still cannot bring yourself to accept the fact that she was right and you were wrong several days after the post that sent you into full freakout mode.
Mnemosyne
@pokeyblow:
Why bother? We already have proof in this thread that you won’t accept being factually wrong even after several people explain that you’re wrong, so the only thing people can really do is ignore you.
LT
I’ve got a sis and an old friend there who’d be right up BJ alley, even if they don’t read you (I think). I would let them know if you did it.
pokeyblow
@Mnemosyne:
1) Do you understand the definition between saying “X is by definition Y” and saying “X is presumed to by Y” ??
In your opinion, are they the same things or not?
2) For the sake of honesty, a virtue you seem to be not on speaking terms with, you should recognize that I quote another commenter who claims to be a lawyer, with whom your friend Emma doesn’t argue, who says directly that she is wrong.
Will you break the mold and be admit what is plainly observable in the thread?
Soonergrunt
@J.Ty: Giles dished out some major ass-kicking. And there was that series on TNT starring Noah Wylie a few years back. But other than that? I got nuthin.
Citizen_X
Never mind what the fuck people said two days ago in this or that thread, the real question is: who the fuck is Walt?
pokeyblow
@Mnemosyne: “Why bother?” Well, because it hasn’t been done yet with citations.
As far as I know, everything I’ve written on these threads is still there, easy to access. So show me where I was indifferent to the deaths of people in the desert.
Besides, you’re a Muse. Of Memory, for shit’s sake. You don’t need google. Do the one thing you’re supposed to be competent in.
Mnemosyne
@pokeyblow:
What’s plainly observable in this thread is that you’re unable to admit when you’re wrong about something, even after being corrected by several different people. In fact, you’re still arguing about it several days later.
So the question now is, why is the very thought of being wrong on a technical point so threatening to your ego that you have to continue to debate it several days later?
Redshirt
@Citizen_X: WAAAALT!
Single sexy gay man, apparently, who hangs out with perpetual bachelor Cole often, and may or may not be his boss. Also, he’s writing a book and has time to jaunt off at a moment’s notice to Madison.
J.Ty
@pokeyblow: Never said you did and didn’t mean to imply so.
@Mandalay: There’s a reason Rumsfeld et al. won’t be found near an ALA conference.
pokeyblow
@Mnemosyne: Memory muse, I don’t care how many people tell me “so-and-so is the law,” if not a single one of them can give me a citation.
Especially if they are lawyers.
Do you get that?
J.Ty
@pokeyblow: Never said you did and didn’t mean to imply so.
@Mandalay: There’s a reason Rumsfeld et al. won’t be found near an ALA meeting…
? Martin
@Citizen_X:
Well, we know he has access to Cole’s house and presumably he pilfers mustard.
J.Ty
@pokeyblow: Never said you did and didn’t mean to imply so.
bago
Seattle Meetup on the 13th? Eh?
J.Ty
Oh FYWP ferchrissakes
pokeyblow
@Mnemosyne: Your dangerous friend Lojasmo is the one who brought that up, my Alzheimer’s-ridden Muse of Memory.
But, please, show me something written down, you know, in the current law, which proves I was wrong. Surely another Muse can help you. Besides, you’re spending way too much time with the Muse of Bullshit. Parnassus is buzzing with rumors.
pokeyblow
@J.Ty: Thank you for that.
J.Ty
@Soonergrunt: The Librarian in Snow Crash was an important piece of software?
MattR
@pokeyblow:
I honestly don’t understand the distinction in this particular scenario. Both people were saying that every X starts in category Y, but group Z can override that default categorization.
pokeyblow
@MattR: I don’t know if you are trying to do set-theory on this; please be more specific if you are.
Let’s say you see a person speaking fluent Japanese. Consider these cases:
1) I say: “people who speak Japanese fluently are, by definition, from Japan.”
2) I say: “people who speak Japanese fluently are presumed to be from Japan.”
Are the statements identical in meaning?
If not, which statement is more “true” in your mind?
Mandalay
@pokeyblow: FWIW (not much since IANAL) I think that you and Lavocat have a valid point: a law can temporarily be legal until it is declared otherwise, but I don’t see how a law can be ever have been constitutional if it is subsequently deemed unconstitutional. By analogy, a murderer is a murderer regardless of any court finding. And an unconstitutional law cannot ever have been constitutional in the past.
As Lavocat pointed out, legality and constitutionality are very different animals. But calls to authority by other posters are pretty meaningless…what the law says is the only thing that matters, and nobody here seems willing/able to cite anything relevant.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@pokeyblow: “If you’re honest, though, please give me some more background on why I’m such a bad guy. With citations to what I say unprovoked.”
Because you are an obnoxious, sniveling, whiny, dumbassed motherfucking piece of shit punk whose finest moment in life will be measured by the day you took your biggest dump.
No links necessary, I don’t play that game with trolls.
eemom
Jeezus Q. Christ, what a moronic argument, even by BJ standards.
And yet here I am.
There is not a life to be found amongst any of us here.
BillinGlendaleCA
@eemom: Just an argument as to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Redshirt
@BillinGlendaleCA: Well, see, it depends on what your definition of “is”, is.
MattR
@pokeyblow: I am not arguing that “by definition” and “presumed to be” can never mean different things. I am saying that in this particular case, the difference is so small as to be meaningless.
For instance, if one person said that “water by definition boils at 100 degrees celsius unless the pressure is altered from one atmosphere” and another said that “water is presumed to boil at 100 degress but it varies if the pressure differs from the standard one atmosphere” I would consider those the same. IMO the presence of the “unless” qualification that you keep ignoring is a key part of why the two statements are virtually identical.
@Mandalay: That is a semantic argument I am more sympathetic to. I honestly don’t know the proper term for a law that was just passed. Is it constitutional because no one has ruled it unconstitutional and the law has to be either constitutional or unconstitutional, there is no third option? Or is constitutionality something that only exists once courts have ruled on it but the law is considered legally valid from the moment it is passed? I don’t know that either POV is right, or wrong. (EDIT: Of course, just because a court decides something is constitutional today does not mean a future court will not rule it unconstitutional.)
Jewish Steel
Gather ’round children and let me tell you of the great blogfight of ’13. It all started 4, no wait, 5 posts back…
JTy
@Soonergrunt: Sanford Berman was a radical cataloger who, if you’ve made it this far through the sentence without laughing, was a badass. Not exactly a vampire slayer, though.
dance around in your bones
I’m just so completely gobsmacked that Cole wants to meet ANY of us that I am almost tempted to travel to Madison just to touch the hem of his garment, even though I live nowhere near.
What happened to grumpy Cole who never wanted to see a damn one of us?Couldn’t be bothered? Is he getting soft in his *old age?
*totally relative :)
Mnemosyne
@pokeyblow:
You’re going to throw your back out if you keep dragging those goalposts around.
But thank you for showing once again that the very concept of having been wrong throws you into such a blind rage that you are unable to do anything but attack the people who point out that you were wrong.
If you wonder why people treat you as a troll every time you post a comment, this is what lawyers call “Exhibit A.”
Mike D.
I’m not that regular a commenter anymore; I don’t live in Madison though I’m from there; but it happens I might be there in early August, so… maybe. (I’ll be pretty busy on that trip.) Let us know when you know the dates.
Meet-up rec that has great food but is more relaxed and cheap than a Tornado Room blow-out and is still pretty nice atmosphere-wise: Graze on the square. If dive-ier, even only a little, is the order of the day, obviously options abound. But Graze is worth the trip and the possible fleeting fish-out-of-water feeling if slightly schmancy isn’t your mood that day.
Yatsuno
@CaseyL: @bago: @thalarctos: Sure you’re long asleep (and I’ll catch you tomorrow regardless) but it will be around 8pm at Pike Place Brewery. I e-mailed AL details.
Patricia Kayden
@Jewish Steel: Ha! You win this thread!!
Tim Spence
My wife and I would love to meet you, John, as we are avid readers of your site (albeit, we rarely, if at all, make comments). We live in Madison and would come to a meet up.
tofubo
since you can’t make it a meetup in southeast ohio, guess i can make it to madison; am 15 minutes away from the cheddar curtain as it is, the county seat of the people’s republic is only a little further down the road; let us know when and where
Cathy
@Comrade Carter: If Tammy is in town, she is often seen at the Argus
lojasmo
@pokeyblow:
That’s illegal, and unethical.
lojasmo
Can somebody who actually lives in Madison suggest someplace with good food, a decent wine selection, and decent ales (NOT some german bar with only lagers)?
ETA:
Alchemy, The Old Fashioned, and Great Dane Brewpub all seem like reasonable choices.
Just Some Fuckhead
@eemom: This.
BettyPageisaBlonde
I’d love to come! I’m going to assume – which is probably the wrong thing to do – that you’ll post details as the date gets closer.
Schu
@lojasmo:
Yeppers on all three. One Barrel across the street from the Alchemy has really good locally-brewed beer as well.
kideni
@lojasmo: The Fountain is good for beer and wine and food that goes along with them, and it’s not as noisy as the Old Fashioned and the Great Dane. Probably easier to get a table with a large group there, too. One of these days I’ll make it over to Alchemy, but even though they’re only a few blocks away from me, I just haven’t yet.
WaterGIrl
So… first I tried to figure out how Tunch could travel with you and get into a bar in Madison. Then I realized that “boss” must refer to your boss at the university where you teach.
Then I tried to figure out the whole Walt thing, because I thought he was terrific when he took questions on BJ awhile back, so he must be married, right? (And Cole, I’m still waiting for the book your promised. me on that thread.)
Oh, so Walt is single? Oh, he’s gay. Of course he is! (said the single woman)
Seriously, I am feeling incredibly cranky today. It’s been over 5 weeks since the tree fell on my house*, and I have already been waiting 10 days to hear back from the insurance company on the estimates I sent in. And the best I get in response to my query is that “someone will get back to me soon”??? That sound you heard, about 30 minutes ago? That was the sound of my patience snapping. If anyone cares, you can count me as officially cranky.
Edit: Oh, and I just found out yesterday that it will cost me 5,400 to have the rest of the huge tree removed, which has to be done because after losing a 4-foot in diameter limb in straight line winds, the tree will be rotten in a year. So I get to pay 5k to remove a tree that I love.
/whine over. maybe
tom
It might be tough for a really big group, but nothings beats the Rathskeller or the terrace. Well, that’s my opinion.
Did we ever hear a time and place? I was trying not to read a lot of the dumb-ass stuff above about who said what to whom and when and why it was totally awful. I live up north, but I’ll be in Madison a couple of times… so who knows?
kideni
@tom: The blogmeister said early August, but other than in Madison, nothing’s settled yet. Maybe we could all rent a pontoon boat for a lake tour.
As for all that other stuff in this thread, I’m glad it was mostly the same four or five people, so I could just skip those comments.