Oh fuckitall:
One of the jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman said she had “no doubt” he feared for his life in the final moments of his struggle with Trayvon Martin, and that was the definitive factor in the verdict.
The woman, who was identified just as Juror B37, spoke exclusively to CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” on Monday night. She is the first juror to speak publicly about the case.
She said she believed Zimmerman’s “heart was in the right place” the night he killed Martin, but that he didn’t use “good judgment” in confronting the Florida teen.
Martin’s heart was in the right place. Right where it should be when this scumbag shot him through it.
And then this gem:
When Cooper asked the juror if she would feel comfortable with Zimmerman being a neighborhood watch volunteer in her community, she said, “if he didn’t go too far.” She added, “I would feel comfortable having George (as a neighborhood watchman)…I think he’s learned a good lesson.”
It’s 2013, and black people are still a prop or object lesson or, well, slave to white people. I guess that makes sense, since wingnuts keep telling me MLK would have been a conservative.
I know we talk about epistemic closure and Republicans, but after this week-end, I am so fucking happy this place is dominated by like mind human beings with souls, consciences, a genuine concern for animals and people, and empathy. The alternative blows and I don’t want to live there.
MBL
I think I’m ready to be done with the entire concept of juries.
Ted & Hellen
John, you know I think the world of you.
But this kind of raw meat, stupid post is shameful, and way way beneath you.
ruemara
Considering she described Trayvon and Rachel Jeantel as “those people” and Trayvon as a “boy of color”, throw in her lawyer husband and the book deal she’s signed-let’s just say I doubt the AG for FL went into this with a burning desire to see justice done.
Yatsuno
For awhile, you did. Then you woke the fuck up.
TooManyJens
She doesn’t have a book deal anymore. @MoreAndAgain started a change.org petition and already got her agent to drop her.
scav
Well, the reasons to give up on bipdals reportedly sharing DNA just continues to pile up, doesn’t it?
Persia
“If he didn’t go too far.”
HE FUCKING SHOT SOMEONE.
cbear
Sanford is 25 miles from my home and I get the pleasure of probably driving my car next to stupid fucking tw*ts like that. Too stupid to fucking live, too fucking ignorant to die.
trollhattan
Jesus. Talk about living down to my expectations.
I know a crapload of folks who think like this and yeah, they’re all quite comfortable, socioeconomically. And armed.
sublime33
Why has law enforcement been so quiet about outsourcing deadly force to all of these Buford Pusser wannabees? Were they ever the parents of a teenager that once in awhile went to a friends house at an address that wasn’t prescreened by mom and dad on whether there was a nutjob living next door? Jeez, the forklift drivers at the plant where I work get more mandatory training than armed neighborhood watchmen get.
Cacti
Hmmm…
“Didn’t use good judgment,” and someone ended up dead because of it. There’s a word for that. What is it now? Oh yeah…
Manslaughter.
Ruckus
I just checked my calender and it said 2013. It must be wrong. We can’t have gotten this far with the calender being the only thing that changed. Isn’t it still 1850? Sure seems like it. I thought we were making progress 50 yrs ago but when I’m wrong boy am I wrong.
Suzanne
Can I declaw and debark that dumbass?
Violet
@TooManyJens: That’s good news. I can’t believe jurors can get a book deal relating to the case for which they were a juror. That’s wrong on so many levels, but especially in that it could easily affect how a juror decides a case. “What verdict will help me sell my book?”
kc
@TooManyJens:
That sounds like she didn’t have a book deal at all, just an agent.
Lolis
My mom is a lawyer and said the easiest way to get kicked out of jury duty was for me to tell them I have a master’s degree. It has worked every time. Apparently, educated jurors are not desired by one side or both, for different reasons. This juror is an idiot and it is painful to think she had such an important decision in her hands and likely influenced the three jurors who thought Zimmerman was guilty. TPM has more info on her beliefs. She is grade A wingnut.
Ted & Hellen
@Violet:
Judges write books. Lawyers write books. Witnesses write books. Defendants and accusers write books.
But somehow, just now for the first time, you’re outraged that jury members can write books.
S. cerevisiae
Why am I not surprised? She probably thinks Brave Sir Zim would never target her kids coming home from the 7-11.
To John: My sincerest sympathies on your loss of your friend, hang in there and let the other kids help.
chopper
well, as long as Zimmerman has ‘learned a lesson’, all is forgiven. boys will be boys, amirite?
DocSardonic
Yeah I try to minimize the time I spend there…Guess one of my favorite restaurants won’t be seeing much of me for a while
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
Only if you don’t know the medically proper way to do it.
Ted & Hellen
@Lolis:
Isn’t it great that you and Cole are so much better people than those jury members? Wonderful. Perfect even.
One might say righteous. Self righteous even.
PsiFighter37
Pretty much a perfect example of why jury by trial is an idiotic concept. Shouldn’t the fact that law firms spend inordinate amount of time on jury selection just be indicative of this?
chrome agnomen
@MBL:
considering how the right has packed the lower courts, you might want to rethink that.
opie_jeanne
@Persia: Oh, but he learned a good lesson.
Feh. I am suffering from emotional overload just from that one day, Saturday, that I can’t even be civil half the time with people who are usually wrong but whom I tolerate (and try to correct) because they are family. I am so disgusted right now, and even with a couple of friends who are fairly liberal but who are nodding their heads along with the verdict and bleating that racism has nothing to do with either the shooting or the verdict.
I need to go live in a cave.
Cacti
@chopper:
Oh he’s learned a lesson all right. The lesson is:
“I can kill black kids and get away with it.”
Citizen Alan
@Ted & Hellen:
I cannot recall a single post I have ever read of yours where you have demonstrated any particular respect for John as opposed to being a vacuous, contrarian troll. And I am utterly unsurprised to find you here hectoring John for the awful unacceptable practice of directly quoting a vile, racist witch as she proudly displays her racism on Anderson fucking Cooper.
Ruckus
@S. cerevisiae:
She probably thinks Brave Sir Zim would never target her kids coming home from the 7-11
Seeing as how the aren’t the “wrong” color(s) he probably wouldn’t.
Suzanne
@Ruckus: I am an architect; as such, I am exquisitely qualified to perform surgery on that loser, uh, PATIENT.
ChrisNYC
@TooManyJens: Fantastic.
Violet
@Ted & Hellen: Wrong. I’ve been upset about it before. I think it’s wrong.
khead
Lol. T&H is trying soooo hard. Check out Elie in the previous thread to see how it’s done.
James E. Powell
Reading that, I thought of Dennis Green: “The Sanford jurors are what we thought they were; they’re what we thought they were”
The last thing we should be is surprised.
JordanRules
And the hits just keep coming…to the gut. I’m still not surprised by folks like her, but it hurts none the less and then there’s Florida institutionalizing the worst of it. And the media, as always, fuck them too.
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
As long as you use the proper tools, scythe, machete, axe, chain saw…
Violet
How’s the boycotting of Florida coming along? Saw Stevie Wonder is not going to perform there or in any other state with SYG laws. Anyone joining him?
The prophet Nostradumbass
there’s a billboard on US 101 between San Jose and Los Angeles with the message “Martin Luther King Jr. Was a REPUBLICAN”.
chopper
@Citizen Alan:
oh, so you think you’re better than the tick-pimps, boil-backs and yard-sleepers on that jury?
just because they piss into empties in their own living rooms doesn’t mean you’re somehow superior, bucko.
Mike in NC
Zimmerman will make a deal with some bottom-feeder like Jerome Corsi to co-write a best-selling book about his “ordeal”. He will also probably end up marrying one of the jurors, and it’ll make the cover of People magazine.
America, fuck yeah!
Karen in GA (who really needs a better name)
I just fucking can’t anymore with these assholes.
cbear
@chopper:
FTW. Nice work, bro.
Cacti
Juror B37 more or less admitted that she engaged in jury nullification in Zimmerman’s favor.
So, to my white lawyer friends and former colleagues who have never practiced in criminal court, but have been waxing philosophical about “better that 99 guilty men go free”…
Kindly open your mouth and cram your fist inside of it.
handy
@The prophet Nostradumbass:
Haven’t taken 101 between SF and LA in a while. Do they have the “Pelosi Drought” signs pitched out on the roadside still?
John O
Oliver and Colbert did a nice job expressing MO’s about this topic tonight, and I’m glad people with bigger microphones are talking about it.
But I won’t criticize the jury until the law is overturned. Sure, morons and all, but that was a pretty good representation of Zimmerman’s peers.
Violet
@Cacti: Can the fact that the juror is running around saying stuff like that have any impact on anything? Could the verdict be thrown out? Retrial?
johnny aquitard
@Persia: Fucking A.
And what the fuck is with this ‘George’ shit? What is he, the nice kid next door who comes over every Saturday morning and mows her lawn for her now she can’t get about any more since her stroke? I mean, what the fuck?
The prophet Nostradumbass
@handy: I was last on that road back in January, and didn’t see any.
Just Some Fuckhead
Wait, he was found not guilty because he was afraid for his life after arming himself and stalking a kid? And nobody lol’ed?
eemom
Well, I guess things are back to, um, normal.
Punchy
What does this scumbag do for a living from here on out? Who hires him? Does he start up a minority-only daycare and teen summer camp with Casey Anthony?
Another Halocene Human
@sublime33: Law enforcement in Florida bitched and moaned about SYG when it was passed, but they only have a little pull in Tallahassee, nothing like the NRA… all the pols here are “pro gun”.
Look, I have every sympathy for rural people and their hunting rifles or even needing protection out in the middle of nowhere with cops 30 minutes away. I get it. What I don’t care for is those same rural people trying to dictate city folk standards when it’s a completely different situation, or blindly supporting these kinds of escalations.
handy
@The prophet Nostradumbass:
They probably took them down when she was out as Speaker. Amazing what powers that woman has, she can even stop water falling from the sky! We Californians dodged a real bullet when Orange Julius finally took charge, didn’t we?
Yatsuno
@cbear: That was indeed quite the troll attempt. I r impressed.
@eemom: We do NORMAL around here? That’s not in the brochure!!!
Cacti
@Violet:
Nope. I’m unaware of Florida having any law against jury nullification, and even if they did, the person punished for jury misconduct would be the offending juror, not the accused who was on trial. Double jeopardy prevents Zimmerman from ever being tried again under the laws of Florida for a crime related to this event.
Another Halocene Human
@Cacti: And once again, similar situation, Black dude shot white guy (claims it’s an accident), put away for life convicted of murder 1:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090613/ARTICLES/906131006
In Florida.
Culture of Truth
“if he didn’t go too far.”
Like, 5 black teenagers a year, tops.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Punchy: Surely there’s a homeowner’s association with an ethnic problem somewhere.
Culture of Truth
Could the verdict be thrown out? Retrial?
ha. no.
scav
She’s no doubt a hero to them: she made the economically rational, profit-maximizing culturally-validated and cherished decision when opportunity knocked. How dare anyone deprive her of her deserved book profits and speaking tour? Still more oppression of those downtrodden victims by those who hate the FRRRRRREEEEEE MMMMMAAAARRRRKKEEETTTTT and Southern Cultural Identity.
johnny aquitard
@John O: Good representation of Zimmerman’s peers? Fuck that. You won’t get justice when white bigots sit in judgement of white bigots.
Ben W
I guess this means that Trayvon Martin is George Zimmerman’s own magical negro. So infuriating.
Citizen_X
What, you mean Florida?
Oh, and regarding the Florida boycott: I’m avoiding Florida for the foreseeable future, not because I’m “boycotting” it, but because I don’t want to get fucking shot by some idiot.
And this is from someone who lives in fucking Texas.
Ted & Hellen
@PsiFighter37:
Yes, because this one trial didn’t come out the way you wanted, the entire judicial system should definitely be discarded. Totally.
Kineslaw
@PsiFighter37: Trial by jury is not a totally bad thing. It makes corruption a bit more difficult, for one.
However, our current method of selecting juries has no redeemable qualities whatsoever. If jurors were picked out of a hat, instead of by the attorneys, I would have much more faith in the system. Or if the attorneys had a say in the jury, but had to pick a representative sample of jurors, I would be okay with it. Professional jurors would have some advantages. There are plenty of ways to improve the jury system.
What we have now is farce.
Ted & Hellen
@Citizen Alan:
Just as dense as ever.
cthulhu
@handy:
That’s the 5 and 99 through the central valley. Signs look very “grass roots” but I’m sure that campaign is funded by the big agri-biz groups clawing for water. Doesn’t seem to be working all that well as even the central valley is slowly turning blue.
TCG
@Ted & Hellen: Isn’t there a pedophile somewhere for you to defend? I think Killerman is doing fine without you.
Another Halocene Human
@PsiFighter37: Looking at the Italian system, French system, I think we got off easy getting the English system, even if we’ve managed to screw it up a lot.
handy
@Ted & Hellen:
Seriously.
Psi, you gotta do something about this drunk posting thing. Not to get all Burnsy but damn that was bad.
Another Halocene Human
@JordanRules: And the media, as always, fuck them too.
Double fuck the media. Gaaaah.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“George”?
“so long”
Violet
@Kineslaw: Maybe a half and half approach. Lawyers get to pick half the jurors and the other half are randomly chosen.
lamh36
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: dude what do you mean. 16 hours is a lifetime. ..
/snark
John O
@johnny aquitard:
Morons and racists all is all I’m sayin’. SOP. OJ version 2.1.eleventybillion.
sparky
A righteous rant, my bruther. Now I’ll entertain myself with reading the thread.
I was marveling at the calcified-conservative mind earlier today and couldn’t wrap my mind around that cosmic-view. It’s so 1980s.
These people have never been properly introduced to weed and alcohol.
Comrade Mary
@Ted & Hellen: This is the stubbornly and arrogantly ignorant woman who relies on Today for what bit of news she gets and who talked about the riots that broke out in Sanford after the shooting — except that there were no riots. John’s using a lot gentler language than I would.
TCG
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I know. Only 18 hours or so to decide that a black life isn’t worth a damn and that a dead nig*CLANG* is a good lesson in fire arm safety.
Karen in GA
My FB is full of idiots posting news articles about black people killing white people and whining that there’s no outrage for them. Because whites are so fucking oppressed and victimized.
Green fucking balloons already.
Citizen Alan
@Ted & Hellen:
Your condemnation would really hurt my feelings if I didn’t think you were a lowlife sack of shit.
Yatsuno
@lamh36: My goodness, they went into the weekend. THE. WEEKEND! Those poor jurors were just missing out on bridge and shuffleboard down at the centre dontchaknow.
TCG
@Karen in GA: Why are these people your facebook friends?
SatanicPanic
@handy: Just on there last week. No Pelosi drought, but similar ones here and there. Those people lost control of the state and now they’re desperate for attention. OT but San Diego finally elected a Democrat aaaand he’s already made an ass of himself. Fucking Filner.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@Citizen Alan:
This comment is unfair to lowlife sacks of shit. I think you owe them an apology.
TCG
@Karen in GA: I think that despite demographic changes white racial grievance will continue to be the dominant political force in American politics.
trollhattan
@handy:
A-yep. Rich, since they’re going to have to renew their federal water contracts, each and every one of which contains a hefty taxpayer subsidy.
Ted & Hellen
@Citizen Alan:
Hey Alan, take what you think and pack it up that well worn ass of yours, buddy. I’m sure there will still be room to park your car as per usual.
Ted & Hellen
@TCG:
Because she finds the constant poutrage to be pleasurable.
Citizen Alan
@Ted & Hellen:
Your awfully fixated on my ass all of the sudden. Is that connected to your whole pedophile thing?
Quarks
The issue is only partly the book deal. I mean, that’s kinda low and unseemly, but, yeah, defense attorneys and prosecutors do it all the time, and some of the jurors in the O.J. trial did it. People make money from murder. It sucks.
Larger issues are:
1. The speed of the book deal strongly suggests that someone — say, just as a thought, her attorney husband — was negotiating the deal during the trial. You don’t put book deals together in 36 hours. Interviews, sure. Agreements, even with literary agents, for books from completely unknown authors who might not be able to meet deadlines, no.
That in turn suggests that she went into the jury wanting a book deal and doing whatever she could to get on the jury. Which means that her statements at voir dire are pretty suspect. (And on their own they suggest that the prosecution should have tossed her, so I can only imagine what she would have said if she HAD wanted to get off the jury.)
2. Her husband is an attorney. Before the trial started, rumor had it that her husband knew Zimmerman’s attorney.
3. She’s lecturing all of us on “following the law” while trying to make money of this trial, which….yeah, unseemly.
4. She calls Zimmerman “George” and Trayvon Martin “the boy of color.” (Who says “the boy of color”? I’ve heard “fans of color” or “people of color” of “voters of color” implying a group that includes blacks and hispanics, or blacks and Asians, but “boy of color”?)
5. She in her interview said that Zimmerman “shouldn’t have gotten out of that car,” and that George “got in too deep,” which, you know, to most of us implies that Zimmerman bears some responsibility for this, and yet she voted for acquittal.
trollhattan
O/T They claim to have caught the head of the Zetas cartel. Any guesses on how long before the magical prison escape?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/us-federal-official-leader-of-mexicos-zetas-drug-cartel-captured/2013/07/15/85376a4c-edab-11e2-bb32-725c8351a69e_story.html?hpid=z4
Ted & Hellen
@Citizen Alan:
Weak.
sparky
@PsiFighter37:
What? You would forgo a “jury of your peers” for one by “your betters” or even one of “the dumbfucks below you” (which is actually the make-up of American juries in most jurisdiction ((i.e., red states))? Seriously?
Oh fuck me am I high. I just realized you said “jury by trial.
Ha ha!
Stoopid (Sparky) +4 scotches and +3 tokes.
Edit: now =5
Summertime, and the livin’ is easy . . .
BruinKid
Meanwhile in Ron Paul land, his libertarian fans are saying things like this about the Zimmerman verdict:
And that it’s the liberals’ fault because of reverse racism. (And the guy who wrote this is ironically Muslim.)
He also said:
Yeah… it’s the media at large trying to start a race war.
If you were wondering how Ron Paul fans were going to tie this trial to some big shadowy conspiracy, this is how.
trollhattan
@Another Halocene Human:
Speaking of Italian law, don’t have the cite but I read the trial of the Costa Concordia captain was supposed to begin today but…there’s a lawyers’ strike.
For some reason that fact brought much mirth.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@sparky: perhaps we could introduce trial by combat, Game of Thrones-style.
Cacti
@trollhattan:
The Sinaloa cartel applauds this action by law enforcement.
Hell, it might have been a Sinaloa mole that fed them intel. Or another Zetas member looking to move into his place.
cbear
I’m hoping some enterprising liberal sidles up to Zimmerman someday and says, “Say, George, you know that Sean Hannity calls you a “wetback” when you’re not around, don’t you?”.
The Dangerman
@Quarks:
Well, sure, it’s not like he was busy getting any (at least with his wife).
I’d laugh to tears if B-37 talked her way into a perjury charge over jury selection.
burnspbesq
@handy:
Don’t know about the 101, but as of early May they were all over the place on I-5 between the 99 split and Stockton.
lamh36
“@sherylkaye: Zimmerman Juror Decides Not To Write Book About Trial http://t.co/0Ji2KeLOE5 via @jtes”
Yeah after literary agent decided to drop her she did.
lamh36
@sherifffruitfly RT @sharlenemartin A statement from #JurorB37. http://t.co/v33Zd38r5F
(https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/357003733395193857)
Yatsuno
@cbear: Lulz. It’s most likely true too.
Gopher2b
@MBL:
The biggest problem with juries is how easy they are to get out of. This was a five week trial; the first cut was probably people who couldn’t take five weeks off. Put another way, your initial pool if jurors are people who don’t have anything to do for the next five weeks.
Huge problem.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@lamh36: well, at least there’s that.
ItAintEazy
So how can George Zimmerman have a longer arrest record than Trayvon Martin, yet he’s not the thug? ┐(￣ー￣)┌
handy
@burnspbesq:
Now that you mention it, it was I-5. Pretty cool how awesome Nancysmash’s powers are though.
sparky
@Another Halocene Human: Far and away your best comment ever and actually strikes at the heart of the issue. Thank you.
TCG
@ItAintEazy: I think you know the answer to that question.
The Dangerman
@burnspbesq:
There are still many on the 99 corridor, but they are getting replaced with “stopping the bullet train” signs. Which will bring huge revenue/jobs to the Central Valley, but it’s a liberal idea, so it must be bad.
trollhattan
In other Freedumb news, losing losers continue losing, while losing losers’ lawyers continue billing many hours. Heh.
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/15/5568536/california-supreme-court-refuses.html#storylink=cpy
kc
@lamh36:
“Always intended?” Shit, how long has she been planning this?
lamh36
@The prophet Nostradumbass: it’s not credited, but shows the power of twitter but particularly Black twitter, to get our and disperse a coherent message that gets heard by media types on twittrt ala all those PaulaDeen parody hash tags that went viral
Bostondreams
@Karen in GA:
Inane false equivalency. Every single one of these posts leave off the fact that in most of the stories, the individuals were arrested and tried and convicted. It’s ridiculous and I have defriended a bunch of formerly intelligent friends.
kc
@Karen in GA:
I’m white, and I’m sick of whiny-ass white people.
sparky
@The prophet Nostradumbass: Works for me. I’m an elementary school substitute. I think I can handle [most] of those ankle-biters.
(Their tattooed-parents, maybe not. We teachers are all about setting limits.)
Petorado
“… If he didn’t go too far.”
Zimmerman’s an unpaid vigilante who gets a tingle up leg when he gets to walk around with a gun and decide whether strangers he sees trigger some sense of fear, hatred, or vengeance so he can act on it by pulling out his weapon. Maybe the next time George is out and about and his stomach boils about some girl walking around all slutty, or some white kid with a ball cap turned sideways who’s trying to act all gangster and stuff, we see what lesson he learned about how he can enforce his vision of who belongs in his neighborhood and who doesn’t.
trollhattan
@The Dangerman:
Trains ur bad, m’kay? Unless Mussolini is scheduling them.
Karen in GA
@TCG: Relatives. I don’t live near them, so FB is how I can look like I’m making an effort to give a fuck about them without actually having to be in the same room.
burnspbesq
@handy:
Go for it. I’m sitting out this thread.
lamh36
@lamh36: wow that was badly edited…lol
anyway, the power of black twitter and organizing.
lamh36
Good night all
The prophet Nostradumbass
@lamh36: I admit I don’t know that much about Black Twitter, but that is heartening.
The Dangerman
@Petorado:
Dude was clearly a cop wannabe who saw that career path up and disappear like a fart in the wind…
…and now, I assume, he isn’t Neighborhood Watch captain any longer. Don’t those groups all have a quasi partnership with cops? So, that goes away, too.
I could see this asshole eating his gun now that he can’t be a cop or a neighborhood watcher.
MattR
@Petorado: @The Dangerman: I have a feeling George won’t be going out anywhere for a while, at least not to places without lots of witnesses. I am pretty sure he realizes that he just wrote the manual on how to kill him and not get convicted for it.
trollhattan
@lamh36:
‘nite. Tunch watches over us all.
Narcissus
@The Dangerman: He wasn’t officially a “neighborhood watcher” anyway, was he? He’s like my busy-body neighbor, only not a 70 year old woman and she never killed anybody.
Petorado
@MattR: He still gets to stand his ground against kids armed with sidewalks.
Yatsuno
@Narcissus:
That you know of…
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!
SIA
Luckovitch nails it.
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2013/07/15/716-luckovich-cartoon-the-diagnosis/
sparky
@SIA: USA! USA! USA!
MikeInSewickley
I read the crap that juror from “Walt Disney World” said.
And some of my friends wonder why I prefer animals to most people…
opie_jeanne
@handy:
Yeah, but those signs are still up on I-5. What’s funny is that there are lush orchards just beyond most of the signs.
Chris
That really is their excuse for EVERYTHING.
“I’m not a racist/homophobe. Okay, I may have said this and supported this, but IN MY HEART, I don’t hate black people or gay people, so I can’t POSSIBLY be a racist/homophobe.”
“George Bush was a good man. All right, he had a lot of bad luck. And he didn’t always make the right judgments. And a lot of bad shit happened under him. But, you know… IN HIS HEART, he was a good man. Because Jesus. Shut up, that’s why.”
In religion, it’s called the doctrine of “faith, not acts.”
Seanly
I heard the quoted part of that interview & thought that she sounds like a very big idiot. And the quote about “if he doesn’t go too far?” Hasn’t he shown a predilection for that?
cokane
Cole ur a good man. Steelers is going down though bruh
Maus
@Karen in GA: Solution- defriend the lot.
Jay
“I know we talk about epistemic closure and Republicans, but after this week-end, I am so fucking happy this place is dominated by like mind human beings with souls, consciences, a genuine concern for animals and people, and empathy. The alternative blows and I don’t want to live there.”
Interestingly, I noticed some familiar righties seeing past the GOP’s white – resentment froth over the Zimmerman verdict. John Weaver, for instance, who was fired by McCain then worked for Huntsman, got ROYALLY pissed about Zimmerman on Twitter, Tweeting, among other things, something like: “So Martin broke GZ’s nose? YOU come at me with a gun & see what happens.” Anyway, Weaver’s whole feed in recent days shows he’s on the right side of this.
David Frum also remarked, “Looks like Trayvon Martin’s going to be convicted.”
See also Michael Steele, who called bullshit on a Zimmerman lawyer’s claim that Zimmerman wouldn’t have been charged if he was black.
I don’t think these three will ever work in major GOP politics again, but I could be wrong. Huntsman’s thinking of running for President again, so maybe Weaver latches on. JEB! has also made noises, of course, and Frum was a (somewhat?) loyal Bushie, so.
I REALLY can’t picture the righty kingmakers going to Steele for anything big, but I love how he routinely dick-punches Priebus about their side-by-side records (heck, I bet the attacks on Priebus will be the clincher that keeps Steele from being welcomed back in).
g
I think he’s learned a good lesson.”
Hey, he’s only killed one kid.
g
@Ted & Hellen: Fuck you.
karen
@Jay: ”
What’s amusing about Michael Steele is the 2010 sweep took place when HE was the head of the RNC. And they replaced him with Probus, I mean Priebus.
What’s not amusing is the verdict and the non-surprise I feel. But weirdly enough, I think that the GOP is angry that Zimmerman didn’t get convicted because that kind of took their excuse for a race riot down a few pegs. So much that suddenly protesting peacefully is rioting.
What I find really sickening is that no one is mentioning WHO Zimmerman’s daddy is, you know, a judge. Funny that.
But is it really a “Kill Black People Legally” law or can SYG’s vagueness mean that anything can be a “threat.” Like a daughter’s boyfriend that Daddy doesn’t care for. Or a teacher who dares to fail a high school student who would otherwise be receiving an athletic scholarship.
What would happen to a woman who was being raped by a man and shot him before he could strangle her?
I ask two questions. What race is the woman and what race is the rapist? It’s disgusting that it maters.
cmorenc
@Lolis:
Shalimar
@Ted & Hellen: Have you ever posted a single thing where you weren’t being an asshole to someone?
Botsplainer
As Jeeter Lester sadly lamented in Tobacco Road after recklessly crashing the Model T into the back of the black sharecroppers horse cart (thereby killing him):
Arclite
JC, Don’t you live somewhere in West Virginia?
TR
@Ted & Hellen:
No one cares what you think. Least of all now.
TR
@Ted & Hellen:
All those other people who write books about trials have open roles in court in which their statements are in the record. Juries do not.
If you’re going to be an asshole troll, try not to be a glaringly stupid one, OK?
Lurking Canadian
@Cacti: Can you expand on what you mean by nullification? Wasn’t the primary question under Florida’s crazy self-defense laws “did Z feel in fear of his life?”
I mean, I can think of a half dozen reasons why it’s bullshit, but that was basically his defense, wasn’t it?
debbie
At some point yesterday, I heard that Zimmerman now wants to be a lawyer. Can’t wait to see him drop and cry when his opponent voices an objection to something he’s said.
Jay in Oregon
@karen:
Marissa Alexander can answer that one for you. She fired warning shots at her allegedly abusive husband and claimed she was defending herself per SYG, but she was sentenced to 20 years in jail anyway. The lesson learned: if you draw your gun in an SYG state then you’d better kill the person you’re shooting at, so there’s no one to dispute your version of events.
My father is a former cop and he told me the same thing ages ago; he was of the opinion that when the police show up and you are the one with the gun, then you’re more likely to be arrested than the person you were defending yourself against, because you were the one who escalated to using deadly force. How things have changed.
Cassidy
@TR: Did you see the false equivalency shit from a couple days ago about how we categorize the rapists in Stuebenville as “men”, but Trayvon Martin is a “child”. Special Timmeh got to defend rapists and contnue to advocate for the murder of AA children all in one! He msut have had to change his underwear after that one.
Cassidy
This is what the laws here really mean.
Cassidy
Clean up on comment 151.
rikyrah
fuck this racist bytch
Patricia Kayden
@chopper: White boys will be boys, you meant to say.
Well, Zimmerman is getting back the gun he used to kill Trayvon, so I expect he’ll be back to Whiteguarding his neighborhood shortly.
Patricia Kayden
@g: Y’all make me laugh. Why do you torture yourselves by reading T&H’s racist nonsense? Just ignore by his comments and save your indignation for worthy trolls. Y’all raising up your blood pressure for no good reason.
Jose Padilla
@Lurking Canadian:
He had to have a reasonable fear of death or grievous bodily harm. A bloody nose and a couple of miniscule scratches to the back of his head hardly qualify, especially since he didn’t even seek medical treatment for his injuries.
Jado
Look, this incident is all very regretable, but you can’t make a Republican WASP paradise omelette without breaking some Young Buck Thug eggs. Or shooting them in the chest. Whatever.
The point is, George Zimmerman has learned his lesson.
Lurker
The effing woman has already secured herself a book deal. What a grifter! I’m so incensed by this exploitation of TM’s death and his family’s misery that I’m almost speechless.
gbear
@Shalimar: He has, but he winds up sounding like Eddie Haskell talking to Mrs. Cleaver.
Jay
@karen: “I think that the GOP is angry that Zimmerman didn’t get convicted because that kind of took their excuse for a race riot down a few pegs.”
There’s that, but most righties are still resistant to ANY attempt to discuss race in this case. I mean, look at their bitching about the term “White – Hispanic.”
Fedora’d syphilitic Roger L. Simon recently wrote that it was a “media invention,” although I’ve seen “White – Hispanic” and its cousin, “White – Latino” on job applications pre – dating this case. And anyway, implicit in the right’s “Zimmerman’s not really white, so this can’t possibly have anything to do with race” gripe is the far, far left’s claim that no person of color is capable of having any bigoted feelings whatsoever.
I never thought I’d see the day when the American right tried to use a line of argument that would excuse the likes of Louis fucking Farrakhan.
Jebediah
That “learned a lesson” quote has been making me furious since I first saw it. So glad an innocent kid was available to FUCKING DIE so Georgie Doucheloser could “learn a lesson.”
The fucking lesson he learned, or course, is that it is fucking open season on black kids.