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— billmon (@billmon1) July 25, 2013
From Reuters:
Halliburton Co has agreed to plead guilty to destroying evidence related to the 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill, and will pay the maximum possible statutory fine, the U.S. Department of Justice said on Thursday….
And then, too also:
Halliburton also part of US fracking antitrust probe
(Reuters) – Halliburton Co, the largest provider of pressure pumping services used in hydraulic fracturing, said on Thursday it had also been contacted by the U.S. government regarding potential antitrust issues in the pressure pumping market.Halliburton said it had received an information request from the Department of Justice. In a quarterly filing on Wednesday, rival Baker Hughes Inc disclosed the receipt of a civil investigative demand from the DOJ on May 30.
“We understand there have been other participants in the industry who have received similar correspondence from the DOJ, and we do not believe that we are being singled out for any particular scrutiny,” Halliburton said in a statement…
Dolly Llama
So what is “the maximum fine” in this situation? Is it not known yet? I haven’t dug deep-deep into it, but I’ve gone two deep into the links and haven’t seen it. If it’s right in front of me and I’m missing, I’ll feel like a dumbass, but …
Hill Dweller
The DOJ also indicted Steven Cohen’s hedge fund, SAC Capital Advisors LP, for insider trading.
Patricia Kayden
Looks like the Latina juror in the Zimmerman case felt that he was guilty of murder. She should have stood her ground and hung the jury.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/latina-juror-george-zimmerman-got-away-with-murder-but-you-c
burnspbesq
Antitrust enforcement. What a concept.
quannlace
Halliburton: We’re vewwy, vewwy sorry. Here, have some chump change. Now beat it!
lamh36
Hmmm, so the story the RWNJ are using to smear Obama’s statement on the Zimmerman verdict, may turn out to be another “Susan Smith”-type of case.
Sherry West, Antonio Santiago: GBI finds traces of gunshot residue on Brunswick, Georgia parents
Hmmm.
Cassidy
@lamh36: But black people and gangbangers or something.
lamh36
@Patricia Kayden: Ugh, speaking of Zimmerman verdict, this new juror coming out just seriously pissed me off. so this juror saying Zimm got away with murder…WTF! So the sole minority let the white jurors pressure her? also, if she believed Zimm “unintentionaly” killed Trayvon, don’t that make it manslaughter? I’m trying to be understanding, but this juror just made me mad. Is she saying then that she was “persuaded” to change
it also again she like the first juror who came forward claims to not quite understanding the manslaughter rules. The jury were allowed to ask questions, right. This juror had ample opportunity to ask questions of the judge on the instructions, but she basically admitting let the remaining all white jurors to pressure her or “convine” her change it and even come up with the exact reasoning that other crappy juror used…ugh
burnspbesq
@Dolly Llama:
The information was filed today in USDC in New Orleans. It should be available on PACER tomorrow. That will specify the specific statutory violations to which Halliburton agreed to plead guilty. Once you know that, you can go to Title 18 and figure out the maximum penalties for violation of that statute.
Or try nola.com later today. I’m sure this will be front-page news.
The Moar You Know
@lamh36: She let the forewoman – B37, The Book Deal Bitch – steamroll her.
This happens in virtually every jury trial, but it shouldn’t. Well, she’ll have to live with the knowledge that she let a murderer (maybe not legally, but most assuredly morally) walk away. Perhaps to kill again. I’d have hung the jury myself, but I’m OK with a room full of people screaming abuse at me for days on end. Most people aren’t. I don’t blame them.
lamh36
@The Moar You Know: Agreed. I come from a large family, and you gotta speak up to be heard, or they WILL run over you. I’ve learned to stand my ground in a group of people and I’m actually pretty soft-spoken, but I’m very firm when I am comfortable and sure in a given situation.
Obviously, this juror was not and a killer went free…smdh.
Anya
@lamh36: the two jurors who came forward sound dumb and uninformed.
WereBear
My DIL was on a jury for a pretty heinous set of circumstances, and a third of the jury was all, “Oh he seems so nice in his suit, sitting there at that table.”
She had to remind them, constantly, that more than one person had testified that he had tortured and killed a business rival; that he had bragged about it, in fact.
They could not put the evidence of their eyes and ears together. Fortunately, she could… and she wound up not being the only one.
Denial is a powerful river.
Roger Moore
Duh! If it’s an anti-trust action, it’s likely for some kind of price fixing, so they’re naturally going to investigate more than one company. Collusion: how the fuck does it work?
StringOnAStick
I’m up for jury duty next week, first time since I was barely 20. unlike most people, I actually hope I get to serve. Just like taxes, serving on a jury is part of what is necessary for a civil society, and I’m willing and available. Pick me!
Highway Rob
@StringOnAStick: Well, THAT’s no way to get picked. No lawyer worth his pinstripes wants anyone eager on a jury. You might (land o’ goshen) have ideas. Or even… think for yourself.
ETA: A member of the bar am I.
Joseph Nobles
My company deals with closed captioning, so I remember watching these hearings before Congress. In particular, one had the BP and Transocean people being calm and the Halliburton guy being nervous as hell. And now we know why.
Ted & Hellen
@lamh36:
The juror is clearly an idiot.
On one hand she says that GZ is a murderer.
On the other hand, she says that the evidence wasn’t there to convict.
So given that the evidence wasn’t there, how does she know what she claims to know re GZ’s guilt?
Oh…she must have the same extra sensory gifts given to all Traybots here at BJ.
jenn
FYI, there was a lot of despairing comments in the honeybee thread down below. If you would like something to do, you can contact your congresspeople, and ask them to support the Save America’s Pollinators Act, 2013.
http://www.rodalenews.com/pollinator-act
Ted & Hellen
@The Moar You Know:
Sure you would have…
Svensker
@lamh36:
No, I think that when she looked at the law and the instructions to the jury that even though he was guilty of something, he could not be found guilty under the circumstances. She said it tore her up but she felt she had no choice.
A Humble Lurker
@Ted & Hellen:
Or you, as seen when you predicted Martin’s mother was going to start gifting in his name.
Redshirt
I thought Haliburton was a Dubai based enterprise.
Ted & Hellen
What pisses me of in extremis re cases like this Halliburton bullshit, is the idea that the company, as some kind of living, breathing entity, did the crime, when it was obviously done by actual human beings who should be going to jail.
Any fine to these fuckers is just the cost of doing business.
RSA
@Dolly Llama:
Another Reuters article says the maximum is $200,000. Peanuts.
Ted & Hellen
@A Humble Lurker:
You’re quite stupid, aren’t you:
Grifting
Grifting
Grifting
Grifting
There are a lot more where these came from.
Then we’ll have the books, the interviews, the movie, the trading cards and calendar…
Ted & Hellen
test
lamh36
@Svensker: ok then, what’s the point of her interviews. Is she looking for sympathy? Or we supposed to feel sorry for her. She could have stayed anonymous and let it lie, but no it’s probably eating at her daily, that she didn’t either stick to it, or she didn’t at least make more of an effort to make her reservations matter. The deliberation was 12-16 hours. So in 12-16 hours, she went from leaning for manslaughter to acquitting of all charges!!!
Whatever. It would have been better for her to STFU just like with the last juror and let the Martin family get some damn closer or something, cause her “a murder went free” statement does absolutely nothing but pierce the heart of the REAL VICTIM’S family in this case.
Trayvon Martin’s parents: Juror B29′s revelations ‘devastating’
Ted & Hellen
@A Humble Lurker:
She’s nailed at least a cool $1M from the homeowner’s association (which admitted no guilt or culpability btw), has applied for or already received cash from the state of Florida, there’s the Trayvon Martin Foundation raking in donations (you can add to the pile at the web site), and her other trademark activities.
Then there will be the inevitable book, movie, and associate marketing opportunities such as apparel and licensing.
Get real.
Cassidy
@A Humble Lurker: Good ol’ Sandusky & Ramirez….never met a rape, molestation, or murder of a blah person it isn’t willing to defend. Consistency is only a virtue if you’re not a complete fuck up.
Ted & Hellen
@Cassidy:
Hi Closet Cassy!
Nerdlinger
@Ted & Hellen: Jail? They’re actively working to exterminate life as we know it on this planet. I’m in favor of the death penalty for these fuckers, limited liability my ass.
A Humble Lurker
@Ted & Hellen:
Any source you’d like to provide?
And besides, that’s not the point. The point is that YOU were happy to predict what was inside someone’s heart while disparaging others for doing the same.
I guess if Trayvon’s Mom had been a dude and raped some little kid, you would have given her the benefit of the doubt.
Ted & Hellen
@A Humble Lurker:
Yeah, there are lots of links and sources to everything I listed about Trayvon’s parental grifting. You know google, I’m sure.
MY point was that Traybots and Obots here only see, consider, and yap about the information and point of view they wish to promote, ignoring all others. GZ was accused of grifting here and denounced for it because of his request online for help or whatever, but the same behavior by Trayvon’s parents was ignored. THAT is the point.
Which makes your last slimy irrelevant statement just that. Slimy and irrelevant.
But you know what, genius? If Trayvon’s mom went to trial for raping a little kid, I WOULD give her the benefit of the doubt,just as I did Sandusky right up until he was convicted. Because unlike you, I wasn’t there in the shower or anywhere else the alleged incidents took place.
Benefit of the doubt is what grownups in our society are supposed to grant, though few bother anymore, regardless of tribal affiliations.
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
In other words, you don’t have any proof, you just know that’s what she’s doing.
Here’s the George Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund site. You can make your PayPal donation right on the site. Now show us the equivalent site from the Martin family.
Time to put up or shut up, Timmy. I’ve showed you Zimmerman’s grift, now show us the Martin family’s grift. If you can’t, you’ll prove to us all once again that you’re a pathological liar.
Gian
@Ted & Hellen:
talk to any lawyer
talking to a jury will drive them nuts. Media people love it. Lawyers don’t
the juror who says “I know he did it but there wasn’t enough evidence” is lying
if he/she “knew” “he did it” the evidence was there.
same with I know but the law… it’s a cop out from someone who for whatever reason doesn’t want to convict, and probably doesn’t want to think about why.
Ted & Hellen
@Mnemosyne:
TRAYVON MARTIN FOUNDATION
See the big DONATE tab at the top right, you ignorant bint? Click on the ABOUT tab, then the FOUNDERS tab for a nice pic of the grifters.
HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION GRIFT
I await your incoherent response, alluding to something entirely different than the topic. You really should get your ADHD under control. You constantly embarrass yourself.
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
Yes, I clicked on the About tab. You don’t seem to have:
The Miami Foundation.
Go fuck yourself, you racist asshole. You had no idea what the fuck you were talking about, but you assumed they were taking money for themselves because they’re black, didn’t you?
If Trayvon Martin’s parents are grifters, so are Judy and Dennis Shepherd. Or is that okay because the Shepherds are grifting from their dead gay son instead of their dead black son?
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
Matthew Shepard Foundation
Dennis and Judy Shepard. Fucking grifters. How dare they make money by exploiting the corpse of their gay son?
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
And speaking of grifters, here’s a grifter in Canada who sued because his ward died in a train crash. How dare he make money from the girl’s death?!
Here’s another pair of grifters who filed a lawsuit just because their son was killed by a drunk driver. What assholes. How dare they think they should get compensation just because someone killed their child?
Mnemosyne
Jesus, look at this bitch trying to make money off her dead gay son. Where does the grifting end? Why do people think they should be allowed to sue just because a family member died?
Ted & Hellen
So first Trayvons parents weren’t cashing in, you said. There are no links, you said. Put up or shut up, you said.
I put up and provide links so now, just as predicted, you go somewhere else entirely with your diseased ADHD mind, flailing about as per usual to misdirect and redirect, but unfortunately you never disinfect your brain.
And hilariously, you throw RACCIIISSSTTT in the mix just for lulz.
Trayvons parents are at LEAST $1M richer as a result of all this ugliness, yes or no, bint of the brainless?
TenguPhule
You’re too kind. Given all of the crap these dumb as rocks housewives are spewing out after the trial, I’d have gassed them.
TenguPhule
So no crime victim’s family can ever get recompense for their loss, otherwise its considered cashing in?
Ted’s understanding of how our legal system works is truly profound.
What nugget of wisdom will it release next? Fines are unjust because they make companies pay money to the government? Taxes are illegal because they pay for services not actually used in person by each individual taxpayer?
Stay tuned, same trolling time, same trolling channel!
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
There is a difference between a victim’s family getting a settlement after a fatal accident and “cashing in.” I realize you are incapable of understanding the difference because of the Martin family’s skin color. Or do you think all of the people in the links I gave you were cynically “cashing in” on their loved one’s death?
So you linked me to their NONPROFIT organization run by a respectable local charity and claimed that was proof they were “cashing in.” So, again, either you’re distracted by their skin color, or Dennis and Judy Shepard are “cashing in” on Matthew Shepard’s death, and much more profitably than the Martin family ever dreamed. Which is it, Timmy? Are the Shepards grifters, too? Should they have to return all of the donations people made in Matthew Shepard’s name because they’re just making money from their dead son?
Pointing out that you’re holding the Martin family to a standard you hold no one else to is misdirecting and redirection?
Then explain why you’re holding the Martin family to a standard that you don’t hold the Shepard family. If anyone who requests donations after a tragedy is a con artist exploiting the gullible (which is the actual definition of “grifter,” not the one you made up in your head), then you’d better start excoriating your bestie Cole for conning vulnerable people out of their money.
Fred Goldman collected $33 million in his wrongful death lawsuit against OJ Simpson. What an asshole that Goldman is, thinking he should be compensated by the person who caused his son’s death, amirite?
Again: you are holding the Martin family to a standard that you’re not holding anyone else to. The only difference between the Martin family and the others I have named is the color of their skin. So, tell us, if it’s not racism on your part, what is the explanation for why you think the Martin family’s non-profit organization is a con to get money but the Shepard family’s non-profit organization is A-OK?
Ivan Ivanovich Renko
Between Ted & Hellen (a good guy who likes to tweak us all?) and Pat “The Fucking Confederate” Lang, John, I’m starting to wonder about your beliefs regarding racism and white supremacy.
Mnemosyne
@Ivan Ivanovich Renko:
It’s possible that Timmy thinks he’s playing a character, in which case I would remind him of the wise words of Kurt Vonnegut:
Ted & Hellen
@Ivan Ivanovich Renko:
I know, right? I mean, it would probably be best if you stop coming here and commenting here. Bye.
Ted & Hellen
@Mnemosyne:
I knew you’d be back with more misdirective hand waving, and here you are.
I focus on the Martins because um, we’ve been talking about the Martins and the Zimmermans?
Why do you hate Hispanics, you racist bint? Why is it wrong for Zimmerman to raise money for his defense and other expenses while it’s OK for the Martins to keep the money rolling in?
IS IT BECAUSE YOU HATE HISPANICS AND ARE A RACIST PIECE OF SHIT?
I love your hilarious emphasis on “nonprofit.” hahahaha. I wonder what Trayvon’s parents’ “salaries” from that “nonprofit” are?
I wonder if they’ll donate that cool ONE MILLION from the HOA they blackmailed all to charity?
I wonder if they’ll donate whatever they rake in from the state of Florida all to charity?
To quote Che Guevera in the musical Evita, “…and the money kept rolling in, from every side…”
VIVA LA GRIFT!
Ted & Hellen
@Ivan Ivanovich Renko:
“Tweak” was Cole’s weasel word, trying to kiss all the lame Bot asses around here, even as he fessed up to our mind and soul-melding friendship.
I believe everything I write here. My language and style may be set toward “tweak,” but I mean every word.
Paraphrasing Harry Truman…”I just tell the truth, and the Bots think it is tweaking.” :D
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
So identical situations don’t count?
I wonder what Dennis and Judy Shepard’s salaries are from the Matthew Shepard Foundation. But I guess that’s okay because they’re profiting from the corpse of their dead gay son and not their dead black son.
I really want you to explain this to me, Timmy: why is it okay for white people to set up charity foundations in the name of their loved ones but not black people? Why is it okay for white people to sue for wrongful death, but not black people? Why are you holding the Martin family to a higher standard than the Shepard family? Isn’t the Shepard family exploiting people by asking for donations in their son’s name?
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
These families received $11 million after their relatives were killed in a train crash — that’s more than 10 times what the Martin family got. Grifters profiting off their loved ones’ deaths!
Oh, wait, it was two white people who died, so obviously the family was only receiving just compensation for their terrible loss, while the Martin family was out looking for a buck. I mean, it’s not like Those People have the same kind of human feelings as everyone else, amirite?
Ted & Hellen
@Mnemosyne:
You keep supplying irrelevant information and I keep ignoring it. We are talking about the Zimmerman/Martin cash.
So Bint, how is it that Zimmerman doesn’t get the same pass for grifting that you give the Martins?
Is it because you hate all Hispanics and are a racist sack of bloody dicks?
Clearly, the answer is yes.
My point has always been that Zimmerman has every right to raise money for his defense and whatever else he wishes, just as the Martins are doing with their “foundation,” (giggle).
But keep right on ranting about unrelated matters.
Get help for you ADHD. Perhpas then you can focus.
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
I guess I should have known you wouldn’t want to bother your beautiful mind with facts. You’ve decided on your narrative and nothing real can disturb that, can it?
Because Zimmerman is the one who caused a fatal injury to someone else.
Remember that whole part? The Martins having to identify their son at the morgue, and then bury him? That whole thing? Or did you think that Trayvon’s body just vanished in a puff of smoke after Zimmerman shot him?
But I should have remembered that your Republican brain can’t process the idea of “I caused injury to someone, so now I need to compensate them for it.” Let me guess, the last time you rear-ended someone in your car, you refused to pay for the damages and insisted that any attempt by them to collect from your insurance company meant they were “grifters” who were trying to shake you down for no reason.
Then again, I think you already agreed that if it had been one of your daughters who was killed by someone who followed her through your neighborhood in the belief that she was a potential burglar, you would have shrugged it off as, “No harm, no foul.” After all, it was just your daughter, so it’s not like you would be upset that she died or something.
Ted & Hellen
@Mnemosyne:
Zimmerman was acquitted. The HOA admitted no liability or wrongdoing. And the Martins are grifters profiting off the death of their son.
Nothing you wrote above is relevant to, or changes any of the above.
You’re not well.
Seek help.
Oh, and you’re ah Hispanic-hating racist.
Mnemosyne
@Ted & Hellen:
He was acquitted of criminal charges of manslaughter. That has no bearing on any civil responsibility he might have for a wrongful death.
But I do find it fascinating that you’re under the impression that criminal charges and civil liability are the same thing. It’s not illegal to rear-end someone with your car, but you are liable to pay for those damages.
Very few companies admit wrongdoing when they pay a civil liability. Back to the subject, did Halliburton admit any wrongdoing when they paid the government back for overcharges?
Just like Dennis and Judy Shepard are grifters profiting off the death of their son. But you’re okay with that because somehow Trayvon Martin is less dead than Matthew Shepard.
Ted & Hellen
You’re nuts.
One of my favorite parts: “Back to the subject: Did Halliburton admit…blah blah blah…”
No one was talking about Halliburton or Matthew Shepard or the rings of Saturn either, dumbass.
I have expressed no opinion on any of those subjects because they aren’t the subjects being discussed, and never have been.
The Martins won’t get shit from Zimmerman. I predict they won’t file a civil suit, because they don’t have a case.
Evidence, remember that thing, as opposed to the fantasies in yours and Bitter Betty Boop’s heads?, indicates to me and the jury and most rational people that Trayvon was off the sidewalk looking into peoples’ windows that fateful night, then he doubled back around on Z and instigated the physical altercation, during which he banged Z’s head on the sidewalk. I submit that MOST people with a gun at their disposal, which Z had every right under the law to be carrying, would use it under these circumstances.
Nah, they won’t get a penny. They’ll probably try to pre-negotiate a “settlement” (re blackmail) with Z ahead of any trial, hoping to get some cash in exchange for just making the big hassle go away. That’s how most grifters work.
ADHD. Read up on it.
Ivan Ivanovich Renko
Ted, you’re a punk-ass bitch, and I’d love the opportunity to tell you that to your face.
Ted & Hellen
@Ivan Ivanovich Renko:
Tell me your name and phone number. I’ll call so you and I can meet in the flesh, you can assault me, and I can call 911, OK!!
Can’t wait!
Oh, by the way, you sure are butch on the internet. Pup up or shut up, fuck face.
Fuck you, “bitch.”
Hey, doesn’t that last bit rank as MYSOGYINISTIC here on BJ?
Ted & Hellen
Hey Ivan, I’m waiting for your number, come on, baby!
TenguPhule
Gotta love how Teddie baby runs away from actual dissecting of his trolling Fail.