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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Friday Evening Open Thread: Fact-Based Evidence

Friday Evening Open Thread: Fact-Based Evidence

by Anne Laurie|  July 26, 20134:24 pm| 176 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, The War on Your Neighbor, aka the War on Drugs, Assholes

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75 pounds of marijuana

Hee. Ryan Kearney at New Republic with a rebuttal of Rep. Steve King’s “drug-running illegals with calves the size of cantaloupes”:

… “Lost in all the jokes about cantaloupes, though, was the real absurdity in King’s quote: that anyone could conceivably carry 75 pounds of pot. True, the weight itself is not necessarily prohibitive, though it would take a very fit, hydrated person to carry that much through the desert. But dried marijuana, no matter how “dank” its buds are, is not a heavy product by volume. Which is to say, it takes a lot of pot to get to 75 pounds. How much, exactly? This picture, from a 2011 post in Kansas City alt-weekly The Pitch about a highway bust, shows exactly that weight in marijuana. No backpack is large enough to fit this much bud. You’d need at least four or five immigrants, and mango-sized calves would do just fine.”

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Speaking of recreational intoxicants, what’s on the agenda for the weekend?

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  1. 1.

    Butch

    July 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Recreational intoxicants are on the agenda. Why do you ask?

  2. 2.

    NCSteve

    July 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    So basically, King just told the Mexican drug lords they need to start a hash manufacturing industry.

  3. 3.

    max

    July 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    No backpack is large enough to fit this much bud. You’d need at least four or five immigrants, and mango-sized calves would do just fine.”

    They don’t use immigrants. Too many people, not enough water. Humans look like humans on IR, but mules are just mules could be any large animal or a farmer or what have you. So they use burros or mules. (Actually, they mostly use cars, but if they were crossing in the middle there, it’s the mules.) And it’s going to be the same guys over and over, because a man’s gotta make a living.

    If immigrants are involved in the drug trade it’s cocaine in condoms from South America or it’s guys already across the border who get into courier jobs (because it’s least likely to get them deported) inside the US. That is, they get into it for the same reason US citizens get into the courier trade.

    Guys with calf muscles like cantaloupes are working in ag.

    max
    [‘Employed by those rich farmers that get all those subsidies that Steve King is in favor of.’]

  4. 4.

    bill d

    July 26, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    I guess you need the calves the size of cantaloupes for balance, not for strength.

    //

  5. 5.

    Bill Arnold

    July 26, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Was wondering when people would notice that. There are plenty of Americans who have experience with bales of hay for instance. And hay bales are reasonably well compressed.

  6. 6.

    PeakVT

    July 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Legal recreational intoxicants and trying to get the basement dried out. The two may be related.

  7. 7.

    MattR

    July 26, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Recreational chemistry, that’s the game plan.

  8. 8.

    Cygil

    July 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Left out in what he’s saying is… he’s really implying drug mules have the fitness, determination and guts to make excellent hard-working entrepreneurial Americans. They are, after all, small cogs in a very large machine working hard to satisfy a huge American market. You don’t see American workers with “calves the size of cantaloupes” risking arrest, deportation and even death just to get that pizza to your door, but pot smugglers are prepared to go the extra mile.

    The chief objection to pot has always been the drug and tobacco companies don’t control it. The tobacco companies are currenctly flirting with moving into the marijuana market, waiting to see where the regulartory environment will go and whether the federal backlash will continue or recede. But if they do, expect “Pedro the Mule” to become a mascot like Joe Camel.

  9. 9.

    the Conster

    July 26, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Got a new job and I’m starting a week from Monday. Good pay, full benefits and will celebrate with intoxicants starting now.

  10. 10.

    jl

    July 26, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    There are some very intrepid and admirable dogs, like St Bernards or Mastiffs that could carry 75 pounds, And obviously many wonderful and desirable breeds of horses. So the idea’s probably not ridiculous to King.

    Edit: and of course, mules.

    Edit2: dogs and horses and mules of the kind that those who understand our culture, would want to celebrate.

  11. 11.

    Joseph Nobles

    July 26, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    @max: “[‘Employed by those rich farmers that get all those subsidies that Steve King is in favor of.’]”

    Another example of what an idiot @SteveKingIA is. He’s so fixated on “cantaloupe calves,” he can’t even see he’s biting the hand that feeds him.

  12. 12.

    Cygil

    July 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    @max

    http://www.npr.org/2011/12/04/143025654/migrants-say-theyre-unwilling-mules-for-cartels

    They definitely do use illegal border crossers as drug mules. I’m sure they use other methods as well.

  13. 13.

    zombie rotten mcdonald

    July 26, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Isn’t most of the pot used in this country already grown here anyway?

    For me, it’s music all weekend. Reunion show of the Shoes tonight, then local alt-country rising stars Trapper Schoepp And The Shades tomorrow night.

    Not saying that recreational chemistry won’t be involved, just to be clear.

  14. 14.

    Mandalay

    July 26, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Chris Christie has come up with a very straightforward “no apologies” position on national security:

    Christie…warned that the public would not look kindly upon lawmakers who seek to undercut national security efforts if another terror attack struck American soil.

    “The next attack that comes, that kills thousands of Americans as a result, people are going to be looking back on the people who were having this intellectual debate and wondering whether” they knew that their first job was to defend the homeland, he said.

    He’s not agonizing and dithering over civil liberties vs. state surveillance; he’s insisting that state surveillance wins.

    I don’t care for that view myself, but if he runs for president he won’t have to waffle to reporters, and it will be easy for him to look like a strong leader. I thought this guy has no plans to run, and no hope of winning even if he did, but now I’m not so sure. Plenty of Americans – including some Democrats – will swallow his tough talk.

  15. 15.

    jl

    July 26, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    And as long as we are talking facty stuff on an open thread.

    I keep hearing seeing and reading asinine stories about something or somebody called ‘Whites’ becoming a minority in the country compared to all the other groups (ethnic, racial) put together.

    Why? Wasn’t that last month’s or last year’s story?

    And why do all of these stories confuse race, ethnicity and culture? I have not seen one these idiot reports that can get the fact race and ethnicity and cultural background and related but distinct things. So have idiot stories about the sad besieged ‘Whites’ becoming a minority compared to a group of scalawags that includes something called ‘Hispanics’.

    Can not one media outlet get it straight that ‘Hispanic’ is ethnic and cultural not race? That there are White, Black, and in places in the world, many Asian and S Asian Hispanics? It looks like not.

    Unconscious racism and happy oblivious incompetence rampant in our corporate media. And what sorts of people run our corporate media, I wonder? (Edit: And if they are racist idiots, why should I worry about them becoming a ‘minority’?) And why are they obsessed with this non-story?

    That’s why I am trying to just tune it out and enjoy the summer for at least a little while.

  16. 16.

    kindness

    July 26, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Maybe Congressman King meant they were smoking 75 lbs of pot? Who knows, maybe Tommy Chong runs with them?

    And in all honesty, that pic isn’t 75 lbs of pot. Not unless it was pressed in a junk auto compressor or something. 75 lbs would be much much bigger. Each of those bags may hold a lb each.

  17. 17.

    zombie rotten mcdonald

    July 26, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    @Cygil:

    I saw one documentary where they made a van out of pot and drove it across the border.

  18. 18.

    Yatsuno

    July 26, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    @the Conster: WOOT!!

    Parents are in town and signing paperwork on new place tomorrow. Cannot wait to tell this psycho condo association to go to Hades in a handbasket.

  19. 19.

    jl

    July 26, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    @max:

    ” max
    [‘Employed by those rich farmers that get all those subsidies that Steve King is in favor of.’] ”

    Steve King is from Iowa, and its subsidy crops are highly mechanized. Low cost immigrant labor is important to fruits and veggies and flowers, which is a mix of small farmers and big ag, and any subsidies small compared to corn, soybeans, cotton and such.

    I think King is just playing to the scared racist Whites, and he is either or both himself.

  20. 20.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    July 26, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Can we get a Chris Christie ballwashing thread so I can gloat about how awesome he is?

  21. 21.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    psycho condo association

    That’s redundant.

  22. 22.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Lot of work to do and no desire to do it.

  23. 23.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: I would prefer not.

  24. 24.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    @NCSteve:

    So basically, King just told the Mexican drug lords they need to start a hash manufacturing industry.

    They can set up a latter-day Triangle Trade, if’n they can get Ireland to send them the corned beef.

  25. 25.

    Interrobang

    July 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    The leader of the Canadian Liberal party just came out in favour of legalizing pot. If I were really a conspiracy theorist, I’d be wondering about now how much American Drug War (read: Republican) cash is going to be flowing into the Conservatives’ coffers by way of whatever established money-laundering outlets proxies they have, because having us sitting on your northern border with legal pot would be seriously bad news for the Reefer Madness crowd.

    For what it’s worth, I’m hardly even self-interested about this, as I stopped with the schmoke years and years and years ago, and don’t know if I’d restart now or not.

  26. 26.

    maya

    July 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Well, Steve King, who JC named his cat after I understand, could have said, “watermelon thighs” so we may assume he practiced some restraint.

    And, yeah, 75 lbs of sativa would be a lot more than what’s in the photo.

  27. 27.

    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    @zombie rotten mcdonald: Yea, it was called Up In Smoke!

  28. 28.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Bill it anyway.

  29. 29.

    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    @Interrobang: You didn’t quite because of access did ya?

  30. 30.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Mets suddenly don’t suck. 13-8 in July. 11-0 laugher over the Nats this afternoon.

    I am at a loss to explain.

  31. 31.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    @SFAW: I prefer roast beef hash myself.

  32. 32.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    July 26, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    I hope to see “Chris Christie Ballwashing Thread” as an actual title one day. I’m betting on mistermix.

  33. 33.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    @SFAW:

    I got out of BigLaw so I wouldn’t have to do that.

  34. 34.

    ruviana

    July 26, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    @Yatsuno: I’ve been dipping in and out of comment threads–does this mean you are staying in Seattle?

  35. 35.

    Comrade Mary

    July 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Speaking of thieving little bastards, the squirrels have now taken 10 tomatoes, including one that was getting pretty red. Unless I can build something pretty sturdy with chicken wire, I just have to frisk the plants each day and take in any tomatoes that I can windowsill-ripen.

    They’ve been drinking my water, too, the little bastards. No more!

  36. 36.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    A gun or a dog. Pick one.

  37. 37.

    Amir Khalid

    July 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    When I hung around the KL magistrate court as a reporter 25 years ago, the pot-possession cases usually involved amounts of a gram or less, carried in an inch length of drinking straw. So now I’ve learned something: 75lbs of pot is not necessarily too heavy for one person to carry, but it’s definitely too bulky.

    By the way, how big is that speed-limit sign?

  38. 38.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I prefer roast beef hash myself.

    Heathen.

  39. 39.

    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It’s an interstate sign not a speed limit sign. They are about a foot high.

  40. 40.

    Baud

    July 26, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Wow. This is the last time I take Steve King seriously.

  41. 41.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It isn’t a speed limit sign. It is an interstate highway sign for I70, a major East-west artery.

  42. 42.

    Comrade Mary

    July 26, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    @burnspbesq: Can’t I just teach a dog to shoot a gun?

  43. 43.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Mets suddenly don’t suck.

    Yeah, and some Rethugs are sounding not-insane.

    Think of it as the MLB equivalent of Lucy and Charlie Brown. Even if they were to get as far as the World Series, they’d bring back (based on advice from Omar Minaya) Armando Benitez for a critical save, he’d blow it, and the Cubbies win.

  44. 44.

    Amir Khalid

    July 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    @raven:
    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Come to think of it, 70mph does seem an improbably high speed limit.

  45. 45.

    Yatsuno

    July 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    @Comrade Mary: Jill has Canadian health certifications to cross the border. She’s also a big sweet lovebug. You would no longer have a squirrel problem after she’s done.

    @burnspbesq: Canuckistani. Dog much easier to get than gun.

  46. 46.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    July 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Seeing as all of the absolutely fucking stupid bills that the NC house passed today are now going to the Governor’s desk where he says he will sign them, despite the fact that he said he would not sign any abortion bills when he was campaigning (lying fucker) I am going to be drinking heavily, then tomorrow morning I am going to get up early and gorge my brain with stupid on demand television shows like Storage Wars because I don’t want to think about what a stupid fucked up State that I live in. The only good part about it is that the legislature is now out of session until 2014 so at least they can’t screw anything else up and make us even more of a laughing stock that we already are.

    Wine and lots of it. Thats the ticket.

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    I got out of BigLaw so I wouldn’t have to do that.

    You and your self-respect. Jeebus, get OVER it!

  48. 48.

    zombie rotten mcdonald

    July 26, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    @Baud:


    Wow. This is the last time I take Steve King seriously.

    was there a first time?

  49. 49.

    gelfling545

    July 26, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    @Yatsuno: Condo associations are all psycho. Every one of them. After I retired I helped out in the office of a property manager who managed condos exclusively. Oh, sweet Baby Jesus, I’ve never seen anything like the burning desire those folks had to control other people’s lives. (All window curtains MUST be white – no that’s not white; it’s off white; Mrs. A hung a wind chime on her balcony. Mr. B doesn’t take in his morning paper until after 11; aaarrrggghhh.) Condos strike me as the proof that there is temporal punishment due for sin i.e. purgatory.

  50. 50.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Come to think of it, 70mph does seem an improbably high speed limit.

    Not in Nuevo Aztlan Texas, it isn’t.

  51. 51.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    @Comrade Mary: Does the dog have thumbs? Is it as smart as new Navy recruit?

  52. 52.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Did anyone ask King for evidence that his claim was true? Repubs are very good at making outrageous claims and then not backing them up with facts.

    Interesting how his Repub colleagues haven’t forced him to at least pretend to apologize for his racist remarks. Latino outreach indeed.

  53. 53.

    jl

    July 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    ” It is an interstate highway sign for I70, a major East-west artery. ”

    Ah, so it’s them Mormon illegals with heads the size canned hams running the stuff to Maryland?

    Or Marlylander illegals with bellies the size of Smith Island cakes running it hidden in crab cakes, to slip into the flavored waters of hapless Utah?

    I’m confused again.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    July 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    @zombie rotten mcdonald:

    Well, no. But this is definitely the last.

  55. 55.

    johnny aquitard

    July 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    @zombie rotten mcdonald: Didn’t the tail pipe cause it to catch fire and then clouds of pot smoke wafted through out the van and laid down a vertible smoke screen behind it, and the guys inside got all stoned including the narcs who were following them?

    I remember that one too.

  56. 56.

    Baud

    July 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    No one’s forced him to apologize, but Boehner was sober enough for a few minutes the other day to condemn King’s remarks.

  57. 57.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    @jl: All I know is that it was always under construction when I lived in Ohio.

  58. 58.

    Yatsuno

    July 26, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    @ruviana: I’m staying around Seattle for awhile. I have really good doctors here and also have a bunch of medical stuff coming up that would take forever to get a new set of docs caught up on. But in a year that could change since my desired career path at the IRS will most likely require a move.

    @Amir Khalid: There are stretches of highway in WA that go 70 mph. It’s quite fun to drive that fast.

  59. 59.

    jl

    July 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    @Baud:

    ” Well, no. But this is definitely the last. ”

    Listening to people llke Steve King can do funny things to the mind. So, I can sympathize.

  60. 60.

    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Not anymore. Here’s a map.

  61. 61.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    July 26, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    @raven: I’ve never seen an interstate shield that’s only a foot high. Minimum size for the numbers is 900x900mm.

    This photo might help.

  62. 62.

    johnny aquitard

    July 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    @raven: Naw, I swear they’re bigger than that. They have to make them big so they seem normal sized from a car zipped past at 70. (Mph, not Interstate).

  63. 63.

    quannlace

    July 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Speaking of recreational intoxicants, what’s on the agenda for the weekend?

    Tonight, lots of Pinot Grigio. Maybe mixed with a little bit of mugwort. Supposed to be good for women’s troubles.

  64. 64.

    Fort Geek

    July 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It’s pretty typical, actually, on major (Federal) highways, which tend to be long and relatively straight.

    State highways usually allow 55mph at most.

  65. 65.

    johnny aquitard

    July 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It’s at least 70 mph in most of the states.

  66. 66.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    July 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    @Comrade Mary: An AR-15 will solve that problem.

    /The NRA

  67. 67.

    Amir Khalid

    July 26, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    This must be the shittiest news story I’ve ever come across. So think carefully before you click on the link.

  68. 68.

    Violet

    July 26, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Anyone read this David Corn piece about Groundswell?

    Believing they are losing the messaging war with progressives, a group of prominent conservatives in Washington—including the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and journalists from Breitbart News and the Washington Examiner—has been meeting privately since early this year to concoct talking points, coordinate messaging, and hatch plans for “a 30 front war seeking to fundamentally transform the nation,” according to documents obtained by Mother Jones.

    Saw it linked at TPM. They’re partly sort of a wingnut Journolist and they’re well aware of how Republicans are perceived (as racists) and yet they’re stoking the white panic. I don’t think they’re really going to help things in the long run.

  69. 69.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    Can’t I just teach a dog to shoot a gun?

    If you can figure that one out, the world will beat a path to your door.

    A dog is more likely to be a responsible gun owner than most people I know.

  70. 70.

    jon

    July 26, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    That pot just isn’t packaged very tightly. The stuff I’ve seen (from my Border Patrol acquaintances and others who work in the areas around Ajo, Arizona) is very compact, wrapped in burlap, and often further wrapped in plastic with backpack straps attached. It does help defray the costs to the coyotes (guides for illegal aliens) to carry a load. Often, the migrants have no choice in the matter.

    Back when I had my prison job, an inmate told me he used to walk from Nogales, Sonora to Tucson, carrying a backpack of weed and leading a group of migrants who didn’t get charged if they arrived with their packages intact. He said it took a few days of walking, but it was a good job for a teenager from Sonora. His adult years told him otherwise, though I’m unaware of his current activities (and not that interested in knowing them.)

  71. 71.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    July 26, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    @Fort Geek: I assume those have at-grade intersections. State highways that are also freeways (accessible only via interchange) will often have higher speed limits.

  72. 72.

    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    @johnny aquitard: “Hey, you pigs wanna give us a puch?

  73. 73.

    Honus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    @Bill Arnold: a bale of hay weighs about 50-75 lbs. And it’s about the size of a big backpack. And it’s usually not as dry as a bag of pot. Still, I’m not carrying one for very long in the desert.

    A kilo (2.2lb.) brick of compressed pot is a little smaller than a shoebox. So at best, think of the size of about 25-30 shoeboxes. Anyway, King is an idiot. Everybody drove box trucks of pot back from Mexico back in the day. Walking it was too slow and expensive.

  74. 74.

    Mnemosyne

    July 26, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    @jon:

    I still seriously doubt they’re carrying 75 pounds of weed, though. Even the US Army only carries 40-60 pounds in their packs.

    And I doubt you’re going to be able to compact 75 pounds down small enough to fit into a backpack, even if you put it in a Space Bag.

  75. 75.

    jon

    July 26, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Here‘s some well-packaged mota.

  76. 76.

    Honus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    @jl: Not many St Bernards or Mastiffs will carry 75 lbs through Texas or Mexico for very long.

  77. 77.

    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    @jon: In the old days we’d run it our damn selves!

    EV?RY YEAR ALONG ABOUT THIS TIME IT ALL GOES DRY
    there’s NOTHING ROUND FOR LOVE OR MONEY
    that’ll GET YOU HIGH
    HENRY GOT PISSED OFF AND SAID he’d RUN TO MEXICO
    TO SEE IF HE COULD COME BACK HOLDIN?
    TWENTY KEYS OF GOLD

    NOW THE ROAD TO ACAPULCO IS VERY HARD INDEED
    AND IT isn’t ANY BETTER IF YOU haven’t ANY WEED
    HENRY?S DRIVING HARD AND STRAIGHT
    ON TWISTY MOUNTAIN ROADS
    there’s FIFTY PEOPLE WAITING BACK
    AT HOME FOR HENRY?S LOAD

    AND NOW he’s ROLLIN? DOWN THE MOUNTAIN
    GOING FAST, FAST, FAST
    AND IF HE BLOWS IT THIS ONE?S GONNA BE HIS LAST
    RUN TO ACAPULCO TO TURN THE GOLDEN KEYS
    HENRY KEEP THE BRAKES ON FOR THIS CORNER IF YOU PLEASE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTNRsoBhnqM

  78. 78.

    Belafon

    July 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I do 80 on a stretch through Hunt county in Texas to and from work each day. The speed limit’s 75.

  79. 79.

    piratedan

    July 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    @jon: the thing is, there’s water and even civilization in that stretch with towns like Rio Rico, Amado, Tubac, Green Valley and Sahuarita in between here and there. It’s not as bad as trying to cross on the Rez itself (west of that corridor) or the Jornada Del Muerte in NM.

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    jon

    July 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Most of it involves trucks now. Dropped off here and there, much loss expected, and it’s all a matter of evading the police and Border Patrol. My friend who works wildlife conservation jobs in the desert sees bales on the roads all the time. Doesn’t touch them, because they aren’t his.

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    Honus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    @SFAW: Was with you right up until the “Cubbies win” part.

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    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    What a dumb conversation. Trying to figure out if this motherfucking moron has his weight straight.

  83. 83.

    johnny aquitard

    July 26, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Which means 75lbs of weed is a huge pile o’ pot.

    Even Cheech & Chong couldn’t smoke up that much weed in a year.

  84. 84.

    IowaOldLady

    July 26, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Headline in my local newspaper:

    White House mulls shutdown threat to avert spending cuts

    I thought I was blaming House republicans for any shutdown. Is that not so?

  85. 85.

    johnny aquitard

    July 26, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    @raven: And yet, here we are.

  86. 86.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    On the west end of Green River, Utah on I-70 there is a sign that says “Next services 106 miles,” and it’s true. Most desolate stretch of road I’ve ever driven.

  87. 87.

    Ruckus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    What’s a speed limit?

    You might not understand that question but I live in CA where we consider those signs to be at best, suggestions of the minimum speed.

  88. 88.

    Belafon

    July 26, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    @IowaOldLady: You should write the paper and point out the obvious contradiction: A shut down would be a spending cut.

  89. 89.

    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    @burnspbesq: On my first honeymoon we flew to LA and picked up my wife’s best friends brand new Fiat 124 sports coupe to drive back to Illinois. We drove up to SF and then across Cali, Nevada and Utah. This was 72 and there was no speed limit in Utah, I let that motherfucker fly.

  90. 90.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Buy popcorn futures now: Greenwald is testifying before a House committee next Wednesday.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/26/glenn-greenwald-and-other-nsa-critics-to-testify-before-congress-rep-grayson/

  91. 91.

    piratedan

    July 26, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    @burnspbesq: pretty much true even for the East side of I70 too, except for that turn off to Moab, there’s jack shit out there til Colorado. Although I’d have to say that Interstate 8 from Casa Grande to Yuma ranks right up there.

  92. 92.

    raven

    July 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    @piratedan: Oh god, the stories I could tell.

  93. 93.

    piratedan

    July 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    @burnspbesq: my understanding is that it will be via skype, I expect “technical difficulties” to loom large once he’s done telling his side of the story.

  94. 94.

    Honus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    @jl: I-70 runs right through Wheeling, not far from John Cole’s house. In one legendary section six lanes run down a steep hill, around a hairpin turn, through a tunnel and onto a bridge over the Ohio River. My dad was a project engineer on that section when it was built back in the 1970s.

  95. 95.

    piratedan

    July 26, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    @raven: I have no doubt of that, and in the last five years, I’ve driven over a shitpotfull of the Interstates out west, you can easily lose yourself in the expanse.

  96. 96.

    jon

    July 26, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    @piratedan: Doesn’t get much better on the other side of the AZ/California border. Not much is not much. And there’s a whole lot of that out there.

  97. 97.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    @raven:

    The Corps doesn’t care how fast anyone drives through Camp Pendleton on I-5. Before all the population growth in OC and SD in the 1990s, I can remember going through there at 115 and being passed repeatedly.

  98. 98.

    SectionH

    July 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    @Comrade Mary: I feel your pain. I think the blasted squirrels here have gone through 2 or 3 dozen of our San Marzanos, and Mr. S is Unhappy. We have wire fencing dug into the ground, and about 3′ tall around the tomato teepee. He’s using both commercial and homemade capsaicin-based repellents, and that has slowed them down a bit, but they’re still doing damage. It wouldn’t be so annoying if they’d just eat the whole tomato, but no, they’ll take a few bites and leave the rest for the ants.

    He finally got fed up enough he bought a humane trap. So far we’ve taken 3 of the buggers “over the hill and far away” to some empty land behind the Wild Animal Park. Not near anyone else’s garden, although I was tempted to dump them behind the house of the guy who had the big Rmoney sign in his yard last fall.

  99. 99.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    @Amir Khalid: In California there are long stretches of Interstate 5 (Mexico to Canada) that are 70mph, once you get out of the two big cities it runs through on its way to Oregon where, alas, everyone with out of state plates must slow down because of the hatred of Oregonians (peoeple from elsewhere who live there now) for anyone from their home state, especially California. My uncle retired to Oregon from the San Diego area and within 5 years was bashing all of the newcomers from California.

  100. 100.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    @Yatsuno: It’s necessary to go that fast after you leave LA, on the way to Sacramento. There’s a whole lot of dangerous, sleep-inducing nothing along much of that route.

  101. 101.

    Honus

    July 26, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Actually, a good bb gun will do just fine. Squirrels talk a lot, you know.

    A .223 will knock down a deer. It’s the literal definition of overkill for squirrels.

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    Steeplejack

    July 26, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    DVR Alert!

    TCM is finishing up its month of Friday night François Truffaut movies with a bang tonight. (All times EDT.)

    8:00 p.m. Day for Night (1973). François Truffaut, Jacqueline Bisset, Jean-Pierre Aumont, Valentina Cortese. “A film director struggles to complete his movie while coping with crises among the cast and crew.” Four Oscar nominations; won for Best Foreign Language Film.

    10:00 p.m. The Last Métro (1980). Catherine Deneuve, Gérard Depardieu. “During the Nazi occupation, a beautiful actress hides her Jewish husband in the Paris theater they run.” Nominated for Best Foreign Language Film Oscar.

    12:15 a.m. The Wild Child (1970). François Truffaut, Jean-Pierre Cargol. “A crusading doctor in 1798 tries to civilize a child raised in the wilderness by wolves.”

    1:45 a.m. The Story of Adèle H. (1975). Isabelle Adjani (nominated for Best Actress Oscar). “After years of living in her father’s shadow, the daughter of author Victor Hugo goes mad for love.”

  103. 103.

    cleek

    July 26, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    i’m going to semi-seriously bring up the subject of leaving NC. cause fuck this place. let my employer find some other schmuck to pay the GOP House’s overtime salary, next year.

  104. 104.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    @Honus:

    Was with you right up until the “Cubbies win” part.

    Yeah, that NL/AL thing always confuses me.

    OK, “Red Sox win.” Without Bobby “I’m an Awesome Manager and NOT a Self-Promoter in extremis” Valentine running the show, of course. (He’d get brought back to the Mets for the Series, just so he could pull Matt Harvey, who was pitching a one-hitter, and pitch-count in the 60s, in favor of Benitez.)

  105. 105.

    Amir Khalid

    July 26, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Thanks everyone for explaining about highways and speed limits. I was under the impression that the 55mph limit applied to all American highways.

  106. 106.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    @raven:

    Oh god, the stories I could tell.

    And you would, if only you could remember them.

  107. 107.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    @SFAW:

    I read something this morning on espn.com that suggested that some contenders might be interested in acquiring Bobby Parnell before the trade deadline. That level of desperation to acquire a closer is hard to imagine.

  108. 108.

    johnny aquitard

    July 26, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    @Honus: I use a slingshot loaded with an ice cube on the rabbits that get too interested in my garden.

    It shoos them away just fine, doubt it would injure them even if the ice cube flew true enough to hit what I’m aiming at. And I don’t have to worry about rocks all over the lawn for the mower to chew into or have to go pick them up if they bounce too far and end up in a neighbor’s yard.

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 26, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Even the US Army only carries 40-60 pounds in their packs.

    Source?

  110. 110.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    July 26, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    @Honus: Looks like we need that snark font, I thought the ‘NRA end tag’ would work.

  111. 111.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    @burnspbesq:
    Maybe the Mets can trade him, and replace him with Franco, or Pedro Martinez, or Doc.

    ETA: Or Sidd Finch, even.

  112. 112.

    jl

    July 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    @Honus: That comment was a bitter joke on King’s remarks that compared picking ‘good’ immigrants to picking a good dog.

    @Honus: Thanks for the info. I take note, and promise to drive that legendary section someday, gingerly.

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    Yatsuno

    July 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    @opiejeanne: FYWP.

    Been there. Driven it. Never really want to drive it again.

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    mai naem

    July 26, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    I knew a guy who used to bring smuggle marijuana through Nogales in the early 2000s.. He was in HS when he was doing it. He said he stopped because 1/he found the lord and 2/He realized he had been extraordinarily lucky and his luck was going to run out pretty soon if he didn’t get out. He worked at BK and he said he would go with his backpack and his BK cap on with a BK bag with a Whopper and just say he was going across to take a Whopper to his nana(!) Then he would come back with the marijuana bricks in his backpack and say he’d taken the Whopper to his nana. I didn’t keep up with him but the stuff he told me would make one heck of a movie. He did also tell me he would never do it nowadays because the Border Patrol is that much better with technology..

  115. 115.

    johnny aquitard

    July 26, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Hmm. I suspect you have some unpleasant memories of that not being the case. : )

  116. 116.

    Fort Geek

    July 26, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    I assume those have at-grade intersections. State highways that are also freeways (accessible only via interchange) will often have higher speed limits.

    Pretty much (graded intersections); I don’t remember seeing a state road doing freeway duty (NW Florida), but I don’t do a lot of driving these days.

  117. 117.

    Jerzy Russian

    July 26, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    On the west end of Green River, Utah on I-70 there is a sign that says “Next services 106 miles,” and it’s true. Most desolate stretch of road I’ve ever driven.

    I have been there. Beautiful but very desolate. There are a few primitive rest areas, so at least there are places to lawfully stop and take a leak.

    The speed limit on I-15 through Utah had some “experimental” stretches with an 80 MPH limit. I am not sure if they are still experimenting.

  118. 118.

    SectionH

    July 26, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Four now. We just caught the 4th squirrel.

  119. 119.

    Steeplejack

    July 26, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    My “rich people’s problems” complaint for the week:

    For some reason the USA Today suddenly changed their crossword app this week from one that I thought was about the best on line to one that absolutely sucks: it’s sluggish, keystroke navigation is inconsistent, and the “current” clue doesn’t reliably follow you around as you navigate the grid. It’s really painful to use.

  120. 120.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    The drive from Omaha to Denver is also pretty drowsy.

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    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    @SectionH:

    Call us when the stew is done.

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    Patrick

    July 26, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Did anyone ask King for evidence that his claim was true?

    That’s funny. I’m still waiting for our so called journalists to ask Donald Trump about his evidence that his private investigators dug up about Obama not being born in the US.

  123. 123.

    kindness

    July 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Out here in Northern Cal I have not seen any redbud (the south o the border stuff) since the 90’s. Everything is local and that was even before pot became legal (the medical variety anyhow). Now other parts of the country may still get the stuff. Can’t say I know why. Folks I know who grow travel across the country to sell to others because the legal clubs out here pay them squat.

    Guess I don’t get out as much as I used to.

    @SectionH: What are you doing with them after you catch them?

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    RSA

    July 26, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    This was not intended to be a factual statement; it was intended to be a racist statement.

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    Honus

    July 26, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Sorry, I kind of figured it was snark, but wanted to say that in case any NRA types were lurking.

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    maya

    July 26, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: “The speed limit on I-15 through Utah had some “experimental” stretches with an 80 MPH limit.”

    Isn’t Utah one of those Stand Your Gas-peddle states?

  127. 127.

    WereBear

    July 26, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    @gelfling545: (All window curtains MUST be white – no that’s not white; it’s off white; Mrs. A hung a wind chime on her balcony. Mr. B doesn’t take in his morning paper until after 11; aaarrrggghhh.)

    THIS. The MIL is hellbent on getting Mr WereBear & I into a condo; pointing out that we have four cats and want a cottage garden has not sunk in because she does not understand condo associations.

    I do.

  128. 128.

    Another Halocene Human

    July 26, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    For those bemoaning crappy local Dem parties…

    Consider organizing a local Labor Party. It’s not a wankfest like the Green Party. Rather than endorse candidates, the Labor Party is a way for activists to organize around issues, support the union movement from outside and the fair wage movement from the inside, hold forums to educate people, and become directly involved in direct community volunteering activities. In my local area the Labor Party’s #1 focus in healthcare. They pushed a lot for single payer, and are still pushing for it (but not in an emoprog, kill the ACHA sorta way). They work with Occupy, the Central Labor Council, SDS, NAACP. They hold talks at AARP gatherings and at the library and at special events. They helped get a Wage Theft ordnance passed. Most importantly they’ve been a clearinghouse for energized local activists across race, gender, class, and age lines. Most of the other groups are pretty segregated.

    Going to a Labor Party meeting is more engaging, fruitful, and less depressing than any Dem party around here. (Our Dems are fractured along race and class lines and too fooking clueless to change… Have fun watching the GOP pick off seats one by one, idiots.)

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    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Used to until the Republicans repealed that law.

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    Fort Geek

    July 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It used to, starting in 1974, as a fuel-saving measure.

    Repealed in 1995.

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    Jerzy Russian

    July 26, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    @maya:

    Isn’t Utah one of those Stand Your Gas-peddle states?

    OK, that made me laugh. Utah, along with Texas, Arizona, and Montana would qualify as SYG(p) states. Nevada too, upon further reflection.

  132. 132.

    ruemara

    July 26, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    @the Conster: Go you! Congratulations!

    I’m settling into my new position as well. Holding out hope that I got the job I’m still waiting to hear back on. Or some other good thing will happen, please.

    RE: Topic. That’s a rather large quantity of mj.

  133. 133.

    johnny aquitard

    July 26, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Oh, that’s sooo Carter era. That loser. Mandating 55 on all federal highways to increase fuel economy and save energy. What a loon. An environmentalist moonbat. Next thing you know such a goody-two-shoes will build homes for the homeless and the poor, just because it’s the right thing to do.

    The real christian people of america hate this holier-than-thou lib who was always trying to show them how to live and make them be ashamed for being themselves and being true to their conservative principles. That’s why the god-fearing party still hates him, because he made everybody drive 55, that hippy bleeding heart liberal weak-sister wuss.

    You know who else forced everyone to drive 55? Yeah, him.

  134. 134.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    @WereBear: We had a condo association for two years. Nice detached house, but those folks were nuts. We will NEVER live in one again. I had my garage door open while I was cutting out a skirt for my daughter (I have a BIG cutting table; I retired from running a costume design company) and the condo pres came by to chat while I was doing so.

    A week later I get a warning from the city’s zoning department about running a business in my garage.

    The old prez lived in the house across from us and he was nice but he was probably the only sane person on the board, and he left because there were bigger houses on bigger lots being built closer to the beach for a ridiculous bargain price, and he jumped on it when they broke ground. Once he moved out the nuts had full control.

  135. 135.

    JWL

    July 26, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    “Coming into Los Angel-eez
    Bringing in a couple of Keez
    Don’t check my bags if you pleez
    Mr. Custom’s man”.

    Why is a democrat can’t sneeze without hearing demands for an apology from the GOP, while democrats never, ever play that game?

  136. 136.

    ? Martin

    July 26, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    @Ruckus: Ms Martin and I, on our parting trip before trading in our speedy pre-family car averaged slightly over 100 MPH from LA to SF. We were passed several times along the way – once doing just shy of 130 on the 580.

  137. 137.

    dance around in your bones

    July 26, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    I saw calves the size of cantaloupes on the guys who bicycle-pedaled us in India (always felt kinda guilty about it) and the porters in Nepal who carried stuff up and down the mountains from Kathmandu to Pokhara and beyond and back- including iron safes, sledge-hammer heads and even old ladies in basket chairs….when my husband and I trekked 200 miles from Pokhara to the base os Mt Everest and back we made a point of NOT hiring porters…..not that we had the money to do so, but it just felt wrong.

    I walked the shoes off my feet on that trek and walked barefoot for two days until my husband traded a shirt for a pair of flip-flops for me. Ok, it was the 70’s, but good times!

    This bullshit ‘all immigrants are drug-smugglers’ is fuck-nuts. Most immigrants are just like us – they want to provide for their families and have a decent job. They’d like to be able to cross the border back and forth without huge hassle. Shit, Americans do it all the time. It’s not rocket surgery.

  138. 138.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    @? Martin:

    once doing just shy of 130

    If you were driving a white Challenger, I’m glad you managed to avoid those D-9s.

  139. 139.

    Mnemosyne

    July 26, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Source

    They carry close to 100 pounds in total weight, but only about 40 of that is the backpack — the rest is body armor, arms, etc.

  140. 140.

    WereBear

    July 26, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    @opiejeanne: I used to belong to a lovely, world-wide, rose chat board, back when I had a house and 80+ rose bushes. (On lawn loving Long Island, no less. Neighbors figured I was insane.)

    This cured me permanently of wanting to deal with anything of the sort. They decide what color of flowers I am supposed to plant? Geddoutahere!

  141. 141.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    @dance around in your bones:

    This bullshit ‘all immigrants are drug-smugglers’ is fuck-nuts. Most immigrants are just like us – they want to provide for their families and have a decent job.

    Now, don’t be sayin’ that shit. Rationality never won an argument with the Rethugs, ya know.

  142. 142.

    Mnemosyne

    July 26, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    @johnny aquitard:

    I suspect you have some unpleasant memories of that not being the case. : )

    Another source said that they’ll have guys carry up to 100 pounds on their backs during training, but not when they’re actually in the field.

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    Another Halocene Human

    July 26, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    @Interrobang: The leader of the Canadian Liberal party just came out in favour of legalizing pot.

    If the RMCP has a union, expect them to come out swinging in defense of their border control agents.

    Their main function seems to be profiling border crossers they think are smuggling pot.

    Well, pot and apples.

  144. 144.

    JWL

    July 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    @dance around in your bones: A story I heard told many years ago:

    Mick Jagger once called the late, great impresario Bill Graham from a luxury hotel in India. He spoke plaintively to Graham of the hellish poverty that was plainly visible from the balcony of his suite, which prompted Graham to counsel, “When you call room service, be sure to order the least expensive champaign”.

  145. 145.

    Citizen_X

    July 26, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    A dog is more likely to be a responsible gun owner than most people I know.

    Pah. A dog who could shoot would be constantly spraying your yard trying to hit squirrels, and would shoot at all passing cars, all cats, most dogs, some people, and the moon.

    Now: on to the recreational substance abuse!

  146. 146.

    dance around in your bones

    July 26, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    @Steeplejack: You are a gem. Just set up the DVR for 3 of those movies, thank you.

  147. 147.

    Another Halocene Human

    July 26, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    @raven: I very much doubt that. The MUTCD from 2004 gives 12″ as the heighth of those dinky street parking regulatory signs whereas the recommended height for freeway signs starts at 24″ (Wrong Way, etc) and goes up from there.

    Wikipedia (take this with a grain of salt) says the shield for a 2-digit Interstate is 36″ tall. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System#Interstate_shield

  148. 148.

    max

    July 26, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    @Cygil: They definitely do use illegal border crossers as drug mules. I’m sure they use other methods as well.

    {reads story} OK, well then, that’s very new. If you’re used to listening to the tales of border patrol in the local paper, there were always a lot of immigrant types getting turned around, but not very many (at all) getting busted for drugs as well. The smugglers were always using cars and tunnels and whatnot (and their personnel weren’t immigrants, they gang members and whatnot). Drugs (of all types) are small and expensive and thus precious – immigrant types (and their bodies) are a dime a dozen and easy to lose to the BP or whatnot.

    But apparently they have gotten nasty. This still isn’t gonna change the calculus. Stop the immigrants and the drugs dealers will just shift transport methods. Stop the drug dealers and the immigrants will still come. The ones that are already here have done whatever smuggling their going to do, so the comment makes no sense.

    @jl: Steve King is from Iowa, and its subsidy crops are highly mechanized. Low cost immigrant labor is important to fruits and veggies and flowers, which is a mix of small farmers and big ag, and any subsidies small compared to corn, soybeans, cotton and such.

    Well, the subsidies are mainly to soybeans and corn (via ethanol – which is dumb), and I’m with you on mechanization in Iowa but I also know that Iowa has lots of unauthorized types at this point, because I keep reading about them getting busted.

    I think King is just playing to the scared racist Whites, and he is either or both himself.

    Well, yeah. That’s what the whole thing with the cantaloupe calves is about. (What size cantaloupe is he talking about anyways, since I have small cantaloupe calves? (really!)) But even unauthorized types forced to pack dope across the border are not going uh, abnormally endowed. In the calf department. Precisely because dope ain’t that heavy to begin with. They might have big calves (?!) but that would be from heavy lifting of heavy things. Like bananas or some shit.

    The rant makes sense from a ‘panic the old white ladies about the strapping black bucks hordes of medium-sized brown bucks’ point of view but otherwise, what?

    max
    [‘But 2016 campaign season is here!’]

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    Another Halocene Human

    July 26, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: What is this millimeter of which you speak?

    Tenths of inches or GTFO! ;-)

  150. 150.

    WereBear

    July 26, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    @Citizen_X: Pah. A dog who could shoot would be constantly spraying your yard trying to hit squirrels, and would shoot at all passing cars, all cats, most dogs, some people, and the moon.

    True, that. And would STILL be more responsible that the current gun-nut humans.

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    Yatsuno

    July 26, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    @Comrade Mary: This. Cannot. Be. Happening. Please tell me he’s not leaving Tronno. PLEASE!!!

  152. 152.

    dance around in your bones

    July 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    @SFAW: I had a friend in Mexico who had a tiny little shop – she wanted to cross the border and buy stuff for her shop (like, at dollar stores and etc) within the 30 mile zone and just come back home, put it in her shop and sell it. She jumped through all the hoops and paid the fees and got shut down.

    Meanwhile, I knew many Americans who drove down from San Diego and LA with trailers, bought Mexican curios and pottery and such and drove back to the US with no problems. It just seemed completely unfair to me. My friend didn’t want to emigrate to the US, she just wanted to shop there and come home to her family. I think most of the Mexicans I knew were the same – they love their country and want to keep living there, but would like the freedom of movement that Americans enjoy. Is that to much to ask? Fuck no.

  153. 153.

    Another Halocene Human

    July 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    @burnspbesq: I wonder if the real intention is to restrain law enforcement such that homegrown terrorists can’t be prosecuted for lack of evidence. These sheethaids tell everything on social media.

    I think Greenwald is a stalking horse for the right, despite that one book he wrote that I liked.

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    Another Halocene Human

    July 26, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    @piratedan: this is why the CZ is the best way thru Utah

    (note the EB time thru SLC, also, too)

  155. 155.

    Another Halocene Human

    July 26, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    @dance around in your bones: Don’t feel bad about the pedicab (aka rikisha) drivers unless you stiffed them on their tips!

    We have pedicabs in Florida. Oh, the electric go-karts pretend to be green, but we know the truth….

    You may have noted the weather here. They usually operate after dark. :) Of course this is when drunk people need rides.

  156. 156.

    Msskwesq

    July 26, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    King is delusional. I am a criminal defense attorney in an Iowa city near I-80 and have represented many drug dealers (under court appointment) of all types including pot dealers/mules driving down the interstate. Not one of them had unusual body structure especially large calves. Most of my clients have actually been redneck white guys on meth or crack. I have represented a good number of suburban perscription pill poppers with their pharmacy heroin (eg: oxycontin.) A few of my client are/were Latino some were African Americans most were/are white. I also have lots of middle and upper class clients with multiple OWI’s. King is just a huge bigot.

  157. 157.

    dance around in your bones

    July 26, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    @JWL: Well, I never stayed in a luxury hotel in India nor ordered even the cheap champagne. But seeing the child and adult beggars was disturbing – about the same as seeing the homeless here in sunny southern California.

    I always gave away all my spare change to panhandlers (even now I do, and I don’t care what they spend it on) .

    I remember wrangling with a cab driver in Kabul about the fare and throwing the Afghanis (money) at him in a last ditch effort to resolve the dispute – then I stepped out of the taxi and fell right into the jui (an open sewer ditch, ubiquitous in AFG) and humiliating myself big time. After that I just stopped caring about the few cents that I could wrangle from the taxi guy. He definitely needed it more than me.

    The stuff traveling can teach you!

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    Another Halocene Human

    July 26, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    @dance around in your bones: The US has a pretty high personal exclusion before they decide you’re an importer with all that entails.

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    danielx

    July 26, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    @raven:

    Having made the error of buying that model once, what’s amazing it that it made it from CA to IL without a breakdown en route, probably in the worst possible spot.

    As to what’s on the agenda, doing house stuff tomorrow and helping a friend hang new kitchen cabinets on Sunday…tomorrow evening may involve recreation of SOME sort.

  160. 160.

    Hobbes

    July 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Where did the drug running illegals get calves the size of cantaloupes?

  161. 161.

    Cmm

    July 26, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Quick help…I am cooking corn on the cob, which I haven’t done for years, and I can’t remember, does the corn go in the water from the start or dropped in when it boils?

  162. 162.

    dance around in your bones

    July 26, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    @Another Halocene Human: Yeah, that’s nice for the Americans – but for the Mexicans it’s much more of a hurdle to cross.

    My friend filed all the papers, paid the fees (which were considerable for her) and still got shut down for no discernible reason. Just stamped NO! on her paperwork and that was it. It was such a disappointment for her. (P.S. No refunds of her paperwork fees). All she wanted to to do was shop in the border area for her tiny little store.

    I couldn’t tell her why it was ok for Americans to shop in Mexico so easily for resale in the US and not for her to do the same thing vice versa.. It just sucked monkey balls and I am still pissed about it.

    My own opinion is that if people were able to travel freely across the border things would be better for all of us. Fuck the miniscule amount of terrorists.

  163. 163.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    @danielx:

    FIAT = Fix It Again Tony

  164. 164.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 26, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    @dance around in your bones:

    I always gave away all my spare change to panhandlers (even now I do, and I don’t care what they spend it on) .

    I used to get into huge arguments with my aunt — and still do with my moralizing semi-wingnut siblings — about this, specifically the “I don’t care what they spend it on” part. If they buy soup and a sandwich, fine. If they buy a cheap bottle of wine to ease their pain, fine. If they’re saving up to buy a house or invest in the next bubble, fine. Once the coin leaves my hand, IT.IS.NONE.OF.MY.BUSINESS.

  165. 165.

    dance around in your bones

    July 26, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I totally agree. It is not my business what people use the few quarters or dollars I send their way for………… just, subsist. Survive – whatever way you can, that’s what I think.

    I’m not going to rule the world, even if I could get the parts. Spend it how you want it, oh peoples.

  166. 166.

    Ruckus

    July 26, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    @? Martin:
    Not quite the same but once heading south on 101 on my unfaired motorcycle I hooked up with a semi pulling doubles doing 85. I stayed close enough to him to keep from being blown off the bike and signaled him in and out of the left lane when passing cars. We did that for over 200 miles. And the speed limit for trucks in CA is 55.
    But a 100 mph average is pretty good. Who needs a high speed train? And I don’t think you could do that today with the road condition. I5 is pretty rough what with the minimal repairs that is apparently all we can afford these days.

  167. 167.

    Ruckus

    July 26, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    @dance around in your bones:
    Have you crossed the border in the last few years? Hassle free? Not so much anymore. Since 9/11 this country has lost it’s shit and it wasn’t all that before then as far as the Border Patrol is concerned. I think the attitude was/is why would anyone want to leave Merca? To do so must mean you are a commie.

  168. 168.

    daverave

    July 26, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    I can’t drive…. FIFTY-FIVE !!!1!!!

  169. 169.

    dance around in your bones

    July 26, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    @Ruckus: Well, yes I have. I won’t tell ya how.

    I have to say I hate this Brave New World we are in now. I remember when you could run up to an international flight and pay cash and get on the flight in minutes……no body frisking and no paying for extra baggage and you could order a vegetarian or kosher meal no sweat and the flights were half-empty so you could grab a whole row in the back of the plane, flip up the armrests, grab a few pillows and blankets and a couple of Johnny Walkers and sleep the whole way to Delhi or Kabul or wherever.

    Back in the day.

  170. 170.

    Ruckus

    July 26, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    @dance around in your bones:
    My international travels have been pretty limited as of late but I have crossed both the north and south borders for business and years ago that was a snap. Since I have been believed by the TSA to be carrying a photon bomb in my knapsack(that’s the only explanation I can figure out for all the attitude and inspections) on every flight that I have taken in the last 12 yrs I’m pretty thankful that I can’t afford to travel any more.

  171. 171.

    dance around in your bones

    July 26, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    @Ruckus: Everything has gotten so much more complicated.

    I used to visit my best friend in Whistler, BC years ago, and all I needed was my driver’s license. One of the last times I went the customs guy said to me ‘Well, technically, you need a passport but we are really only looking for people who don’t look like you (i.e. – not white) and he said it in a way like I would understand….it was pretty weird, but I was glad they didn’t deny me entry because of my lack of a passport (which I had at home, but since I had never needed it before for travel to Canada I didn’t bring it!)

    Life has gotten so complicated lately. “Produce your papers!”

  172. 172.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    July 26, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Celebrating Sysadmin Day by spending a three day weekend with LittleMan and TinyDancer. Need to decompress after the crap that’s gone down the last couple of weeks.

  173. 173.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 26, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I can more or less accept that. I definitely recall dragging around 100 lbs of stuff, but it did include things like extra ammo for a crew served weapon or a tripod; a lot of that did get stuffed into or strapped onto the ruck.

  174. 174.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    @WereBear: OH, rose clubs… flower clubs… well, garden clubs in general are peopled with a lot of folks who feel they have no real power in the world so they decide they will rule this one tiny corner of it.

    With an iron fist.

    The most hilarious moment was a 70-year-old neighbor who showed up at the local flower show holding this unattractive poppy specimen and wanted to be directed to the herbs division, and then she winked at me. It was an opium poppy that she’d grown from the seeds you get at the grocery store in the baking section.

  175. 175.

    SectionH

    July 27, 2013 at 12:04 am

    @kindness: Taking them over the hills and far away. Actually to a road where there are no houses within a couple of miles. It overlooks the Wild Animal Park, which co-exists with native wildlife pretty well. We walk there in the am fairly often, and I’m amused by which critters get noticed, who are just handing around, unofficially as it were.

    ETA: very late, I know, but I did want to answer that question.

    Also too, Rusty 5 has now joined his compadres.

  176. 176.

    SectionH

    July 27, 2013 at 12:17 am

    As long as I’m the last poster here anyway, @raven: OMG, I remember that song. I thought it was funny back then, but I couldn’t tell you who did it without cheating.

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