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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Excellent Links / Saturday Afternoon Open Thread: With the GOP, It’s Always Projection

Saturday Afternoon Open Thread: With the GOP, It’s Always Projection

by Anne Laurie|  August 10, 20132:43 pm| 90 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Open Threads, Republican Venality

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@TheBradBlog You see? Who says voter fraud is a made-up problem?

— billmon (@billmon1) August 10, 2013

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From the article:

With these 300 fraudulent votes created by one Republican candidate alone, that’s 300 more fraudulent votes than have ever been created by ACORN or anybody who has ever worked for them….

For those keeping score at home, this particular GOP fraudster lives in Massachusetts. Yay, Massholes!

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    August 10, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    If only Massachusetts had a Voter ID law.

  2. 2.

    ? Martin

    August 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    This is what happens when you let poor people vote.

  3. 3.

    Xantar

    August 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I know Matt Damon actually has said he’s parting ways with Obama, but seeing the Newsmax headline quoting him is still really funny. All of a sudden I guess Matt Damon isn’t a Hollywood liberal now.

  4. 4.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 10, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    @efgoldman:

    As usual, election fraud cases most often involve insiders manipulating votes

    Can you say “Diebold in Ohio, 2004?”

    Sure you can, boys and girls!

  5. 5.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 10, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    @Xantar:

    As long as you disagree with the terrible near sheriff, you’re aces in Newsmax’s book.

  6. 6.

    gene108

    August 10, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    @efgoldman:

    What does GOBP stand for? I’ve seen it in the blogosphere.

  7. 7.

    Botsplainer

    August 10, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Is it pathetic that I’m sitting with my dog at a bar?

  8. 8.

    shelly

    August 10, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    I know Matt Damon actually has said he’s parting ways with Obama

    I didn’t even know they were dating!

  9. 9.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    @? Martin:

    This is what happens when you let poor people Republicans vote run for office.

    FTFY.

  10. 10.

    MattF

    August 10, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    @Xantar: But it’s OK if you’re a Republican, and that’s all there is to say about that. From my point of view, t’s the Newsmax headline about those three odd vegetables that we need to worry about.

  11. 11.

    TG Chicago

    August 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Bradblog’s point about the difference between voter fraud and election fraud is a great one.

    To put it another way, have you ever known a bank robber to go to one million banks and rob one dollar from each of them?

    No, they go to one bank and rob a million dollars from it. Nobody would ever take the time and the risk to steal tiny amounts from each of multiple banks (or to go to multiple polling stations to cast one measly illegal vote each time). You’d do it all in one big heist. That’s the election fraud we need to worry about.

  12. 12.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    @gene108:

    What does GOBP stand for?

    Let me Google that for you.

  13. 13.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    @TG Chicago:

    To put it another way, have you ever known a bank robber to go to one million banks and rob one dollar from each of them?

    No, but there was a recent case where teams with forged ATM cards went around and made fraudulent withdrawals from a large number of machines in a short time. They were able to get away with significant amounts of cash that way. Similarly, you can influence elections if you have a group of people who vote fraudulently at a series of polling places. That kind of thing used to be a fairly common way of for big city political machines to steal elections, but it doesn’t happen much anymore because we have good procedural safeguards- mostly around poll watchers and keeping the voter rolls- to prevent it.

  14. 14.

    Chris

    August 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Not only does the GOBP want to win general elections by manipulating who’s eligible, they also do it to each other.

    One of my few Republican friends from college was complaining the other day how disgusted she was that someone who was kicked out of the College Republicans for trying to rig the yearly election in favor of his frat buddies… was now “Digital Communications Director for the Office of Speaker Boehner.”

    I didn’t quite have the heart to tell her that in all likelihood, the election rigging was probably considered a plus rather than a minus on the resume.

  15. 15.

    Geoduck

    August 10, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    I do have to disagree with Bradblog about vote-by-mail being a bad thing. We do it in Washington state, and the only thing I miss about the old system is the community feeling that comes from hiking over to the local polling place.

  16. 16.

    Dr. Dave

    August 10, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    @Roger Moore: And here I had always assumed that it stood for “Good Old Boy Party” since so many of them are “good ole boys” in the sense of being white, southern, and male (or at least sympathetic to that point of view). You learn something every day… (or maybe I can get credit for an alternative interpretation).

  17. 17.

    Dead Ernest

    August 10, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    @Botsplainer:

    Perhaps for your dog.
    They serve biscuits?

  18. 18.

    Dead Ernest

    August 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    @efgoldman:
    And combining this with B’splainer’s comment re what’s pathetic, I’m going back in to the office to mess with what it takes to pry payment from the health insurance companies.

  19. 19.

    Keith P

    August 10, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    So the solution to voter fraud is to make it harder for Republicans to vote. Not bad.

  20. 20.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    @Dead Ernest:

    I’m going back in to the office to mess with what it takes to pry payment from the health insurance companies.

    I think a court order to seize their assets usually works. I’m not sure if there’s anything else that does.

  21. 21.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 10, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    @efgoldman: Actually, all this time, I thought you were the one who came up with it!

  22. 22.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Second amendment solutions?

    Those may make you feel better, and they may even help the next guy, but I’m not sure if you can extract payment that way.

  23. 23.

    Felonius Monk

    August 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    @Botsplainer:

    Is it pathetic that I’m sitting with my dog at a bar?

    Whose idea was it to go there? Yours or the dog’s?

  24. 24.

    AxelFoley

    August 10, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    @Xantar:

    I thought his silly ass broke up with Obama a while back? This must be the longest break-up on record.

  25. 25.

    I am not a kook

    August 10, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    @Botsplainer: Depends. Is your dog the kind of dog that attracts persons of the appropriate gender for you? Booty retriever, if you will. If you’re sitting with your back against the wall with a p*t b*ll, U DOIN IT RONG.

  26. 26.

    RSA

    August 10, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    A BJer has already commented on the post I’m linking to, but check out Kevin Drum‘s impression of John Cole.

  27. 27.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    @Botsplainer

    Not if the dog is buying.

  28. 28.

    TG Chicago

    August 10, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    @Roger Moore: My point is that the risk/reward ratio is way too high for voter fraud, but it is much lower for the kind of election fraud BradBlog pointed out.

    The risk/reward ratio is low for ATM fraud since there is no human there to apprehend the criminal. That is not so for voter fraud.

  29. 29.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    @NotMax: As you know, I don’t drink but I do go to a couple of joints now and then that let the pups in.

  30. 30.

    Yatsuno

    August 10, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    @raven: I thought Lil Bit demands her daily walk to the café for brekkies!

  31. 31.

    Burnspbesq

    August 10, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    In today’s episode of Blind Squirrel Finds a Nut, the part of the blind squirrel is played by Megan McArglebargle, who actually understands the fundamental truth about the battle over state and local government employee pensions.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-07/we-are-all-going-to-pension-hell.html?wpisrc=nl_wonk_b

    She’s got no answer, but the fact that she’s asking the right question is a pleasant surprise.

  32. 32.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @Yatsuno: Oh yea, big city bread for her cookie. The Normal Bar over to Normaltown doesn’t serve chow so critters are welcome.

    Right now she’s alternating between trying to get at the butter beans that are being shelled and the chicken brats with blueberry sad cuke slaw!

  33. 33.

    Burnspbesq

    August 10, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    @shelly:

    I didn’t even know they were dating

    What’s the point of being Preznit if you can’t use the Secret Service to conceal your extramarital flings?

  34. 34.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    @raven

    Irrespective of one’s relationship with alcohol, all those neighborhood watering holes deserve a nod for providing comics with the hook for a near-infinite number of “A (blank) walked into a bar” jokes.

  35. 35.

    Botsplainer

    August 10, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    He’s been mauled by servers at the second bar I’m at. They’ve brought him ice water, French fries, and I think they like him more than me.

  36. 36.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    @NotMax: I’m not that kind of duck!

  37. 37.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    So as long as we’re just fucking around

    Cat In A Shark Costume Chases A Duck While Riding A Roomba

  38. 38.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    A dog walks into the Normal Bar. . .

  39. 39.

    Burnspbesq

    August 10, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    @raven:

    Dude, heard the new Guy Clark album yet?

  40. 40.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    @Burnspbesq: oooo, no.

  41. 41.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    @Burnspbesq: But I do have Heartrworn Highway.

  42. 42.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    @efgoldman

    Swear I read the thread yet somehow did not see that you got there first. Credit where it is due.

    So, fallback to runner-up quip:

    No, sitting with your dog is not pathetic. Pathetic is dancing with your dog at a bar.

  43. 43.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    @Botsplainer: One would hope. That fucking dog is beautiful, get used to it.

  44. 44.

    burnspbesq

    August 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    @raven:

    Called “My Favorite Picture of You.” ‘Tis typical Guy Clark, I.e., damn good.

    There are probably folks out there who would say that he’s made the same record over and over again for 40 years, but that’s like complaining that Mariano Rivera only has one pitch.

  45. 45.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    @NotMax: Or. . .

  46. 46.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    @burnspbesq: Ever heard this

    Kin: Songs by Mary Karr & Rodney Crowell

  47. 47.

    burnspbesq

    August 10, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    @raven:

    Oh, yeah. That’s the jen-yoo-wine article.

    You have Rodney’s “Acoustic Trio Live” set, with Jenny Scheinman and Will Kimbrough? I think it’s only available on his website.

  48. 48.

    Gene108

    August 10, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Too bad Taylor Swift hasn’t “dated” the Prez, like Damon, the songs of the “split” would be EPIC!

  49. 49.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 10, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I think i may have introduced it to this blog.

    That’s probably it.

    mispronounce one obscure central-European name, and the phones light up!

    Fux?

  50. 50.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    @Botsplainer:

    Well, he is devastatingly cute, you know.

  51. 51.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 10, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    @Botsplainer:

    I think they like him more than me.

    He prolly tips better.

  52. 52.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I hate to be pedantic, but stress in Russian is variable. Whoever told you that the stress is always on the next-to-last syllable was wrong. Although that’s true for Polish. Knowing where to put the stress in Russian last names sometimes stumps native Russian speakers. And with some names, like Ivanov, it can be different depending on the family. Some people with that name say ee-VAHN-off, others say ee-vahn-OFF.

    And don’t get me started on the vexed question of whether the hero of Anna Karenina is Levin or Lyovin.

  53. 53.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    @efgoldman:

    And this may blow your mind, but the correct pronunciation of Tchaikovsky is chee-KOFF-skee. In an unstressed syllable, a after ch is pronounced ee.

  54. 54.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    @burnspbesq: I’ll be lookin

  55. 55.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    I wish Cassidy would come back. I don’t know enough to take a position on pit bulls, but I agree with him about gun control.

  56. 56.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    Rimsky Korsakov?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fRryop0EM

  57. 57.

    burnspbesq

    August 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    I hope Arsenal wins the Premier League this season, just so that we can be spared the incessant whining of their fans.

  58. 58.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    @gogol’s wife

    Certainly would be unusual to hear Sergei’s last name as Rok-mahn-EEN-off.

  59. 59.

    Southern Beale

    August 10, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Fox Television may produce reviled Hillary Clinton biopic … to which RNC PR BS responds, “oh well, guess we can’t have GOP debates on Fox either!”

  60. 60.

    mai naem

    August 10, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    @gene108: Grand Old Big Pustules

  61. 61.

    Southern Beale

    August 10, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    What are the chances some underpaid, overworked employee of the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago secretly taped some of the ALEC shenanigans?

  62. 62.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    @NotMax:

    I meant that you can’t predict which syllable the stress will fall on, not that in any given name it moves. It doesn’t move in Ivanov either, but you have to know which one it falls on.

  63. 63.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I’m not indignant — I just don’t want you going around mispronouncing Russian composers’ names because somebody steered you wrong one time.

  64. 64.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    @NotMax:

    I see that I misunderstood your comment. Indeed, it’s not Rakh-man-NEEN-off.

  65. 65.

    Southern Beale

    August 10, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    @raven:

    Where can one buy a hammerhead shark costume for a pit bull? Asking, for a friend.

  66. 66.

    beltane

    August 10, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Religious family leaves the United States on a boat claiming persecution, then gets lost at sea and has to be rescued by the Coast Guard http://www.theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/10924681 This could be the makings of the next Werner Herzog film.

  67. 67.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Tone is really hard to capture on here. I hope you don’t lump me in with the people who were calling your radio program. If I did that, I’d never get off the phone.

    Except there are no classical-music programs any more.

  68. 68.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Okay, here’s a question for the BJ commentariat, and I’m sorry it’s out of harmony with the recent theme of sobriety: what is a good recipe for a Cosmopolitan cocktail? I’m giving a birthday party for a friend who loves them, and I have no idea how to make them since they sound just awful to me. I got a recipe off the internet and I just tried it, and unfortunately I ended up pouring perfectly good Finlandia down the sink because I couldn’t drink the thing. What is the best recipe?

  69. 69.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    @Southern Beale: There may be a contact on that youtube. Orrrrrr, http://pinterest.com/aewfibers/cat-costumes-my-cats-will-hate-this/

  70. 70.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Tres bizarre. Is the price of eggs prohibitive?

    Prosecutors have filed charges of bomb possession against a recently crowned Utah beauty pageant winner.
    [snip]
    The 18-year-olds were arrested last Saturday after driving around neighbourhoods and allegedly tossing plastic bottles filled with caustic chemicals at people they knew. Nobody was injured. Source

  71. 71.

    Trooptrap Tripetrope

    August 10, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Apropos of nothing whatsoever, here are three websites for pointlessly wasting one’s time:

    Zombo

    Staggering Beauty

    Image Nodes

  72. 72.

    raven

    August 10, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Dog martini costume!

  73. 73.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    @gogol’s wife

    3 parts good brand lemon-flavored vodka, 2 parts (maximum – less may be preferred) cranberry juice, 1 part Cointreau, 1 part lime juice.

    Shake well with ice, strain into glass.

    Twist a piece of fresh orange peel over the top after pouring, and run the orange peel around the rim.

  74. 74.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    @raven:

    That is so cute!

    But what about a Cosmo? (I realize you’re not the person to ask.)

  75. 75.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    @NotMax:

    Thank you! Do you think it’s okay to use Rose’s lime juice rather than fresh? I really don’t like fresh lime juice.

  76. 76.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    @gogol’s wife

    Sure, but you may want to adjust the ratio to your taste because of the added sweetness, or increase the amount of orange oil from the peel to smooth the sweetness.

    If you happen to have it, Absolut Citron is quite well-balanced, and the lemon flavor doesn’t overpower as it does in some brands (YMMV).

    The cranberry juice is more coloring than for flavor, so that’s why mentioned possibly using a little less.

  77. 77.

    Anya

    August 10, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    @Xantar: So, Matt Damon finally decided to break with Obama for good. This took, like, four years.First, it was “I am disillusioned,” then he made some noises about whether he’ll vote for him or not ( like he had an actual choice) and now he’s completely breaking up with him. Maybe Clooney will do a couple’s counselling for his two friends.

  78. 78.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    @NotMax:

    Yes, I thought Absolut Citron would be the best bet, not limonnaya.

  79. 79.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I hope I wasn’t offensive. I’ve struggled with pronouncing Russian last names for 30 years, so I get a little wonky on the topic. I spent 25 years mispronouncing the name of a minor character in Brothers Karamazov, and I am supposed to know better.

    And you know that “I hate to be pedantic” always means “I’m about to be pedantic” on here.

  80. 80.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    @gogol’s wife

    Secret to the vodka martinis my guests rave about is to use a 1 part Absolut Citron to 4 parts unflavored vodka when making them.

  81. 81.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    @NotMax:

    Full recipe? (although most of my friends are pretty abstemious, it could come in handy)

  82. 82.

    Steeplejack

    August 10, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    Okay, how do you pronounce “Nabokov”? I remember reading somewhere years ago (Time magazine?) that it was “Na-BOA-kov” instead of the visually obvious way.

  83. 83.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    @gogol’s wife

    4 parts vodka
    1 part Absolut Citron
    not quite 1/2 part Noilly Prat vermouth

    Shake well with ice.

    Preferred choice for garnish, on a toothpick, is those tiny pickled green tomatoes (usually in the market near the olives/pickles), otherwise cocktail onions rather than olives (which makes it a Gibson, but no one knows what a Gibson is anymore, so I just roll with martini).

  84. 84.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    @NotMax

    It should go without saying, but gonna say it anyway.

    Noilly Prat dry vermouth.

  85. 85.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    @NotMax:

    Thank you!

  86. 86.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Nabokov himself had a joke about this. In English, it’s NA-bo-koff. In Russian, it’s na-BOAK-off. In French, it’s na-boak-OFF.

    Yeah, in Russian the stress is on the second syllable.

  87. 87.

    smintheus

    August 10, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Brad Friedman is a hapless dope, as he proves yet again here. The news reports he links indirectly to don’t say anything about this guy Villamaino casting any votes fraudulently. He wasn’t charged with that, though Friedman strongly implies that he returned the absentee ballots for 280 people.

    What Villamaino did was change the party registration for those people and then request absentee ballots in their names.

  88. 88.

    gogol's wife

    August 10, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I left out the best part of the joke. The same is true of his first name, Vladimir. In English the stress is on the first syllable, in Russian on the second, and in French on the last.

  89. 89.

    Steeplejack

    August 10, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    Stupid polyglot Russian smart-ass.

  90. 90.

    Anne Laurie

    August 10, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    @mai naem: I thought it was Greedy Old Bastids Party, until EFGoldman corrected me!

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