Made some fajitas and had a bunch of people over, and Steve stole the show. My vet, Harry, was here, and Rosie is going to see him on Monday for some work on her arthritis. She also apparently has a “hot spot,” which I guess means is an itchy region.
But Steve was all over the place. Loved on every single person in the house (Lily does the same thing, but I’m used to that). Here they are tag teaming my buddy Liz:
I’m just so happy I have another cat who loves company and wants to run around like a slut and get loved on, rather than one who is terrified and hides whenever anyone comes in. I like cats with moxie.
Sarah in Brooklyn
Looks like a very happy time indeed
Good job John. Moar kid pics.
(glad you have a good life too)
We have two cats. Our younger one, Sammy, loves meeting new people. The older one pretty much hides, but is sweet as hell to us.
That is all.
I left my cat at home and went to see kick ass 2. Which, despite the gore, was far more entertaining as a super hero movie than wolverine and man of steel.
Keaton can be a little shy when people first walk in, but he’s definitely the greeter of the pride. He’s not a lap-sitter, but when my in-laws were visiting (brother and mother), Keaton was sitting on the back of the couch behind my BIL and wrapping his tail around my BIL’s face and neck. Charlotte’s willing to play with anyone who will work a toy, but she’s not big on being petted. And Annie hides.
@Yatsuno: GO SEAWEEDS!
As one of the few Seattle natives here – (1) Fuck y’all. (2) I was at the Superbowl. (3) That lady has great legs. (4) Rosie is a good dog!
My dishwasher just finally died. It’s been on its last legs for a while, and we’ve been researching replacements, but were hoping to get another month or two out of it. Ex-husband is facing some health issues and isn’t paying child support right now. Really can’t afford this right now.
Sponge cake a better match.
Hallucinated that you had capitalized the M.
(Hm. Maine Coon and the official soft drink of Maine. Maybe not so far-fetched after all….)
Oh yeah, I forgot. Hempfest was today/yesterday. You mean you expect me to mingle with a bunch of DFH and SPD-approved artificially-flavored corn chips?
Myself and my 4-footer have a previous engagement thnkuvrymch.
ETA : anyone here play EVE Online?
This is when you tell the kids that August is picnic month, so you’re going to be eating with paper plates and plastic utensils until Labor Day.
I love affectionate cats :) Mostly because they put the lie to the anti-feline claims that cats are cold and aloof and hate people. I’ve found most cats that live indoors tend to be at least somewhat lovey if they think they’ll get chin scritchies or treats out of you for it…
Also, sorry to be annoying and repeat myself, but as it’s a fresh thread – if anyone in the Bay Area wants to buy two View Reserve tickets to the Sunday, 8/25 Giants game, lemme know…
It’s great Steve’s fitting in so well, so fast.
Maine Coons. Such great cats. I have such a fond memory of our Miranda the Most Beautiful Cat Ever*, sitting in the dead center of a couple of dozen people at one of our Solstice parties, when things had gotten to the sitting around stage, just basking in the attention. I was very surprised, because she wasn’t usually visitor friendly, and had expected she’d be elsewhere, like the rest of the mogs were. Apparently she decided she liked the spotlight.
*Srsly. Sworn testimony by non-cat lover who had nonetheless seen a lotta cats. Also too, ppl at various vet places who saw her. YMMV about Most, but she was beautiful. She was ditzy as hell but also scary smart. An amazing combination.
@Mnemosyne: That’s the plan. Going to Costco tomorrow to get disposables.
ARGH. After the caterpillar-in-the-food debacle, I’m really not in the frame of mind for this tonight.
@Suzanne: I got a highly-rated Bosch at Lowe’s cheap because it had been the floor model and was out-of-box and kind of dinged up and I love it. It doesn’t grind up food, so it’s super-quiet. There’s a little wire basket that catches stuff, but I just scrape everything really well before I put it in.
My cats are terrified of their own shadows and hide whenever anyone comes in, rings the bell, goes down the driveway to read the gas meter, or past the house on the sidewalk with a dog, but I love them anyway. Brave cat let Higgs Boson’s Mate pet her for the first time last night, growling at him like a dog the whole time.
I’m afraid I have testimony that Keaton is, in fact, the most beautiful cat ever. He once came home from the vet with a lipstick mark on his forehead because the vet tech was unable to stop herself from kissing him.
My in-laws have one that is like the Annihilator. They swear you can put totally dirty dishes in it and that they come out spotless. I suppose it grinds up food. I cannot persuade Mr. Suzanne that one should give the dishes a good wipe-down first. He seems to think that that amounts to washing them twice. I may need to get that kind.
@Suzanne: (and Mnemosyne)
I actually kind of like manual dishwashing. Doesn’t do my skin any good, but it’s an accomplishment in the morning… Soak at end of meal, e-z clean in am. I’m not sure where the trade-off on energy efficiency is. At some point the conventional wisdom was that a dishwasher is better than hand washing, but all I have is a giant Thanksgiving dinner cleanup size dishwasher (it is very quiet ;-> ), so for 2 of us, we both tend to use the sink. What I’d love to have is the Subzero kind of mini dishwasher option.
@Mnemosyne: Oohhh, he’s a contender! Tuxie color, plus fluffiness. I have Got to figure out how to post pix here, though.
@SectionH: I have two younguns. Dishes are an endless source of misery. I didn’t have one growing up, but I also had two live-in stay-at-home grandparents who did household chores. My husband and I both work more than full time, and keeping the house clean is already sometimes a bigger challenge than I can handle. I really don’t think we can handle manual dishwashing and maintain our sanity.
He’s known around here as “Mr. Charm & Personality.” He’s also scary smart and can tell time — they get a wet food treat at 9:30 pm every night, and at 9:29 pm, he’s usually at my feet waiting for the alarm to go off.
As G says, Keaton’s the only cat we’ve ever had who seems to get frustrated sometimes by the limitations of being a cat. He wants to sit at the table and drink the coffee, while Charlotte and Annie are content being cats.
Some modern dishwasher detergents are formulated to attack, break up and flush away food remnants. With those brands, if dishes are pre-cleaned, the concentration of non-utilized food-attacking additives can be high enough to etch glassware.
Dishwasher tip: Hot water temp should be between 130 and 140 F. Higher temps + dishwasher detergent can incrementally damage the surfaces of items being washed.
BD of MN
@Suzanne: We have a two year old Samsung dishwasher that is ultra quiet, and does a decent job of cleaning dishes provided the foodstuffs aren’t dried on. That said, if you are a handy type and at least attempt to fix your own stuff, Samsung does not make parts easily accessible for the amateur, so depending on the handyman skillz of your family, that may be something to keep in mind (not only for the Samsungs)…
@Suzanne: We had a Kenmore Elite which lasted for 19 years. Died last year. We had several guests say it was really quiet – something I didn’t realize until I started to pay attention to how noisy other people’s washers were. I think we had to have a tech come out a couple of times to fix stuff. And it did do a good job washing stuff. You might want to check out and see if they have them at the Sears Outlet at AZ Mills.
The prophet Nostradumbass
I got to spend several hours at the clinic today, because it seemed like I had broken a toe or something. Diagnosis: I have gout in my left foot. Wonderful.
Seriously, it’s 9:27 pm here and he just woke up from his nap, stretched, and turned to face me so he’ll be ready as soon as the alarm goes off.
(The alarm is for me, not the cats — my ADHD means that I forget important things, like treat distribution, so I set an alarm for it.)
@Suzanne: No modern dishwasher should require a pre-wash. Just shove them in there.
Further, as NotMax notes, most dishwasher detergents are both activated and moderated by the presence of food. Clean the plates, and the detergent doesn’t work right. Further, detergent with more phosphates will clean better (but is worse for the environment). Your inlaws may simply be using a better detergent. You might want to sample a bunch of different kinds and see how they do.
@The prophet Nostradumbass
Have to lay off the shellfish and the red wine, then.
That uric acid build-up is painful with a capital P.
@mai naem: AZ Mills. Always feel so white when I go there. I’ll check out the Sears outlet, though. This will have to wait a paycheck or two.
@NotMax: I just get the Costco Kirkland stuff. I hope that’s good…. It’s a Cascade knockoff, I think…..
Just Some Fuckhead
We have one fearful cat. The only fun you can have with him is scaring the hell out of him but even that gets old.
@? Martin: The one that just died is (was) 25 years old.
Suzanne + 2. (so far)
@The prophet Nostradumbass:
But now you get to have a little stool to prop your foot on, and you can yell at everyone to get off your lawn, not just kids.
Can’t remember if you’re still required to get a velveteen smoking jacket.
Yikes. Just googled hot spots dogs.
Also, I was listening to NPR on the way to work and it was a varied group of Republicans talking about the issues with the party and the current problems trying to bring together the disparate parts of the party back into a neat little coalition.
This kind of story is what irritates me about NPR. All these delusional Republican voices basically all saying; “Yeah, we all have different view points, but in the end, we can all come together to make this country great again.”
NPR interviewed some Libertarian Republican who was all “small government, live and let live” who then went into his admiration for Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and others, and how the NSA is such a threat. Reince Preibus made his usual appearance in which he continued to shovel shit and pretend all is well, and other interviewers just basically glossed over all of the problems the party has as natural growing pains.
What’s hilarious to me is all these people acting like they are divergent parts of the whole, and every last one of them was saying the same shit they’ve been saying for decades. They have no new ideas but because those ideas have been fragmented among different party personally adopted identifiers (Libertarian, Evangelical, Moderate Republican etc) these people truly believe they are on to something new and bold when it’s really just the same old thing.
Watching Min & Bill on TCM
Granted, it’s an old film, but still find it a little amazing to be watching someone (in this case, Marie Dressler) who was around while Abraham Lincoln was alive.
@Mary G: That’s hilarious…”you can pet me but I hate you, interloper”.
@Suzanne: Oh no, I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t get a new dishwasher, srsly! And asap. My personal thing was just that I don’t mind washing dishes. Generally, because it’s kind of a mindless task. So is dusting, but I hate dusting. And vacuuming. And laundry…
@Suzanne: I got a Kenmore which is really a Bosch (according to the installer who should know his dishwashers) at deep discount at a Sears warehouse. I hope you can find a similar deal.
So it’s nothing like my friends GFs lab laying his head on my lap. The rest of they guys are busy making someplace save for stop-and-frisk and I have this (adorabe) mutt resting his face on my lap.
“Oh, you want to be scratched behind your ears, eh? Fine!”
Then it’s “My dog loves you and he doesn’t like most people –etc.” Nonsense!
40-7 Hawks — a certified validation that my team is morally (physically) superior to yours.
There are no Moderate Republicans.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@NotMax: yeah, last night I really couldn’t sleep much at all.
@Steeplejack: I’ve kept it propped up as much as possible today, which has made it feel better :-).
Eh, she was born in 1868. But your larger point is a good one. I have been watching the French serial Judex (1916), recorded from TCM a few months ago, and it’s amazing to stop and think that you are watching people who lived a hundred years ago. And seeing places as they existed a hundred years ago.
Wallace Beery was kind of a weird choice for star of the day. If you can hold out until 3:15 EDT, you’ve got some heat with Clark Gable and Jean Harlow in China Seas.
@Hal: Same shit, different packaging. But marketing is really all they have left at this point.
I was at an afternoon party at someone’s house when their alpha border collie decided that I was The Chosen One and came over to sit on my lap, which then meant that the other three dogs had to come over so they could pay their tribute to The Chosen One that the alpha dog had designated.
I felt a little conspicuous, to say the least. Nice dogs, though.
Have a 25+-year-old Kenmore portable dishwasher that still works just swell (half price at the time due to a cosmetic dent on one side).
Sports a real butcher block top, so it doubles as an auxiliary counter.
I’ll have to check my list, but I think I previously Tivoed that one. At least, I hope I did, because I meant to.
Did they show The Champ? That’s the one where Beery and Fredric March tied for the Academy Award (according to IMDb).
ETA: The Jon Voight/Ricky Schroeder remake is now used in psychology experiments as the saddest movie in the world.
@NotMax: Recent aggregate studies point to beer as an important aggravating factor in gout. I have cut beer almost entirely out of my diet and it seems to help.
@Mnemosyne: Once when we wouldn’t let Miranda go outside when she asked, we watched her climb onto the table next to a giant sliding glass door (8′ x 8″) and start pushing on the handle to open it. She’d watched us open the door that way… of course her mass was impossibly tiny, but she’d figured out how it worked by watching us.
There goes that pesky senior memory again. Could have sworn I read 1863 as her birthdate someplace.*
May Robson (with whom Dressler appeared in Dinner At Eight), was born in 1858. In Australia.
*Just did a quickie check and it was ubiquitous character actor C. Aubrey Smith who was born in 1863.
@SectionH: I don’t really mind chores that much (other than taking out the trash), but managing the toddler’s toys and doing dishes are my Sisyphean tasks. Neverending. I feel like I never get to the other tasks. We are hoping to get someone in to clean once a month or so when we can afford it. (Which may be never.)
@The prophet Nostradumbass: Not hard to treat. Cherry capsules do the trick.
Yep, scary-smart. Keaton can open our bathroom door (it’s hung slightly crooked, so he just needs to whack it at the right spot), which has made him a little overconfident with other doors. He definitely knows that he needs to turn the handle to make the door open, but fortunately for us he doesn’t have opposable thumbs, so he can’t quite grasp the round handle to turn it. But he tries.
The Champ was on earlier today. As was Rationing, a later, minor movie in which Beery plays a non-gruff, mostly pleasant and likeable character to Marjorie Main’s prickly grump.
Correction: #50 should have read @Steeplejack.
Sorry ’bout that.
That first pic is diabetic!! Love it. So much love; your family, with the newest addition is doing might fine. What a great crew!
My sister got great deals on appliances at the AZ Mills Sears, it’s worth a look for sure.
Glad you added that. Marie Dressler got me thinking about which movie actors (sound era) were born before Lincoln died, and I was coming up blank. I knew there was at least one old battle-ax, but I couldn’t think who.
. . . Damn, I had been thinking of Alison Skipworth, but I thought she was too young, but now I see that she was born in 1863. She was with W.C. Fields in Tillie and Gus (1933), which would have made a good double bill with Min and Bill back in the day. She was also good in If I Had a Million (1932).
@Suzanne: Lol, the last time I was at AZ Mills, even my sister commented on how there were no white shoppers there. I just think that is one ugly looking building, especially considering how young it is.
Honestly, I didn’t notice that when I went there while I was visiting my mom, but I live in the middle of LA, so I’m pretty used to being in the minority already.
ETA: Also, I tend to get into “shopping mind” in a big mall like that and don’t notice much of what’s around me as I try to find the stores I want. The Eddie Bauer store usually has nice stuff at clearance prices.
@SIA: Do tell about cherry capsules and gout.
@Mnemosyne: I noticed it because it was so un-Arizona to me. Born and raised here but left for 10 years and lived in Detroit, Houston and Atlanta so yeah…it was the closest to being back in those places.
@Mnemosyne: Have you seen the facade on the new Bloomingdales on Brand? Fugly, as the kids would say.
Historic footage showing a 1905 precursor of today’s passenger vans in the first 2½ minutes.
Design-wise, not the best thought out, what with the moderately dangerous leap down to the sidewalk to exit. Looking at it, if that buggy tried going more than maybe 6 mph around a corner, it appears it would flip right over.
@Jay S: I have hippie blood so I always go natural first, and find that approach usually works. Cherries and apple cider vinegar are very effective; here’s where I got the information.
I always forget how teenypetite Lily is! Seems she must be part Chihuahua, don’t you think? In my mind she’s that average medium-size yellow dog (“Average” in size and color only, of course!); and then occasionally there’s a non-awful picture with context, like with this nice lady. LOVE the booster seat cushion to be nearer to her!
@Suzanne: You might not believe me, but I edited “Sisyphean” out of my comment to you. Srsly. And, yes, getting someone to clean would be wonderful.
@SIA: I was asking more about your personal experience. I’ve seen the cherry claim before, but I haven’t talked to anyone who has tried it. You mentioned cherry pills and cider vinegar. What has worked for you?
Check to see if there’s a Habitat for Humanity Re-Store in your area. You might get a good deal.
@Suzanne: Persuade him, Suzanne. I used to have one of those food-grinding models, and unless you scrupulously rinsed off the dishes it would get clogged with un-ground food. And you can’t clean it yourself; it requires a service visit by a technician. Expensive.
I now have a Bosch, and I just have to clean the trap out now and then. Couldn’t be happier.
@Steve T.: I have never had a food grinding dishwasher fail in a way that I couldn’t fix myself by removing the filters and pulling out something stuck, often a small bone. You may have had bad experiences, but mine don’t seem worse than cleaning a filter once a month and were a lot more rare.
ETA: fail in a way that implicated the grinder.
@Jay S: Yes, cherry capsules have absolutely worked the couples times I’ve had a problem, usually after eating my fave, crab cakes. I keep the capsules around if I start to get twinges. I use ACV (organic) as part of daily life for us and the dogs and cats (a wee bit in the cat food seems to ward off UTIs in the cats, for example), so can’t speak to ACV for gout since I’m already using it.
@SectionH: Our female cat tried for months to open the sliding doors like we did; first by attempting it herself, then when she found out she was too small (she is tiny), she tried over & over to teach her brother to do it. He is huge, but not bright.
It was hilarious to watch, something like watching a human teach a (slow) chimp sign language. She’d show him the motion over & over, & he’d sit there watching intently, not comprehending at all.
She finally gave up on him & took to nagging the human children about it instead. They were easier to train.
Cats with Liz, even better.
@NotMax: C. Aubrey Smith – a great character actor. Among other parts, played the heroine’s father in the 1939 version of “The Four Feathers”. Does a classic scene (twice) describing a battle in the Crimean War using what was left on the table at the end of a dinner. It was one of my Father-in-Law’s favorite movies.
@JordanRules: AZ Mills opened when I was in high school, and we all hated it even then. It’s so bright and huge and loud. Everything I hate about life all in one place. I pass it on the I-10 on my way to and from work every day, and it just goes on forever and looks like shit. And Tempe Marketplace is visible from the air, FFS.
I like to shop at Costco and Trader Joes, and that’s about it.
@cckids: Lololol! Miranda did manage to teach the youngest of our five “found us” cats (Miranda was #2) to open drawers and doors-not-closed-tight.
@CanadaGoose: Love the ReStore! And Stardust!
@SectionH: Ha! That is impressive! Our girl is named, rightly, Hermione – she’s wicked smart & dealing with 2 boys who let her do all the thinking. :)
@Suzanne: It is ugly and just plopped right there off the freeway. There was the same mall in a suburb of Pontiac, MI when I lived there and before we’d built ours but somehow it was less ugly surrounded by green trees and such. It’s uber-suburbia which I don’t like anyway, but I do like an occassional visit, being reminded of those other cities I’ve lived in and not feeling so ‘otherly’. LOL
I love TJ’s but when it gets too crowded I get annoyed they aren’t bigger, but it’s still worth it.
Death Panel Truck
I’ve drank Moxie. It tastes like used motor oil. You can have it. The only classic soda I seek out is the original Bubble Up with cane sugar. Kicks 7up’s and Sprite’s asses, hard.
@NotMax: I’m slow tonight (usually so slow I don’t even try to post, though), but did want to reply to you. I’ve had great Kenmore appliances. The washer/dryer I got in when my son was born… washer lasted ~20 years, the dryer 35. Shoot, it may still be kind of working, I just haven’t been “home” in a couple of years to try it.
@cckids: That’s a great name then!
Yeah, that “horseless carriage” carried over the axle/spring design from the animal-powered model, which would tip over on the regular.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@SIA: I don’t know about cherry capsules, but I got a couple of prescriptions which should beat the gout down pretty quickly.
@something fabulous: I believe she’s a chihuahua and terrier mix. My grandparents had one (named Taja) when I was growing up, exact same coloration, only her tail didn’t curl up an over like Lily’s does. She was such a sweet dog too, unlike their psychotic (I blame inbreeding) toy poodle.
@Gravenstone: I still say there’s Shiba Inu in her. The tail is one sign plus her colouring is dead near spot on for Shibas. We’ll never know for sure unless JC has her genetically tested, which there is no reason to do.
He could always put in a FOIA query to the NSA.
Max Frost – White Lies
BTW, Yatsuno, just out of curiosity tried your old nym again, and FYWP still rejects it. The random acts of WeirdPress continue….
Curled tail + ‘cinammon’ coloring is genetic baseline for ‘dog’ — Shibas, Canaans, Basenjis, New Guinea Singing Dogs, Carolina dogs, et al. (I’ve seen dingos at zoos that looked like slightly larger Lilys.) But there’s lots more (mostly petstore or backyard-breeder) Chihuahuas than Shiba Inus, especially in a small town in WV.
Also, Shibas are proverbally hardheaded little take-charge bastids, while Chihuahuas (for all their infamous snappiness) have the I-want-to-love-someone ‘toy dog’ personality. So I’m still thinking Chi-plus-something for Lily.
If I was a single dude thinking of getting back into the dating scene, and I had that buddy on my couch doing that with my pets – all while I was trying to give up the sauce…
…I don’t know what. That’s just a lotta “If” right there.
Steve appears to be gazing lovingly into Liz eyes, a con quest
@Gravenstone: My parents had a toy poodle who was way too smart for a dog, except he didn’t know he was a dog. As soon as the table was set, he’d sit up on a chair at the table, with one paw on either side of the plate. He’d do it every night, even though every night he’d be scooped off the chair and put on the floor.
We tried feeding him before we ate. He insisted on having what we ate, however unlikely. Have you ever held corn on the cob for a dog to eat?
I remember his first barbershop appointment. He came prancing in the door—obviously the staff had made a big fuss over him. We had to laugh because he no longer had a puppy cut; he had a full-fledged poodle cut, plus some perfumed powder.
He felt humiliated. He crawled under the sofa and wouldn’t come out. There we all were, surrounding the sofa on our hands and knees and telling him how handsome he was.
Now cats. I don’t think it’s possible to humiliate a cat.
@Liquid: I play EVE Online pretty regularly – though some hardcore players would say I’m not playing the “real” game. Are you in the game, or just curious?
(For those not in the know: imagine a world with the philosophy of Atlas Shrugged, the corporate ethics of Alien, and the warrior mentality of Paths of Glory. Except with spaceships.)
@SectionH: Dead thread, I know, but you’d love the Miele apartment size. Got one for space reasons (small house and TINY kitchen), and it’s big enough to handle a dinner party (as long as you do the prep/cooking stuff separately/beforehand). It holds an amazing volume.
Steve is in love. Although he was adopted to replace the irreplaceable Tunch, he doesn’t seem to mind. He won the kitty jackpot.
@The prophet Nostradumbass: My husband has it. It sucks when he gets an attack of it, but if he eats right, it’s not a problem. With him, anyway, it’s shellfish that sets it off the worst. He can have shellfish occasionally, but more than one meal with it over a short time period has painful consequences.
Just One More Canuck
@Mnemosyne: Keaton looks a lot like a great cat we had when I was a kid – Socrates. My mother gave him that name in the hope that he would become old and wise. She was one for two – he had a great long life (21 years) but never could be described as ‘wise’. He would go on vacations from us – we wouldn’t see him for a couple of weeks and then he’d come strolling through the back yard, tail in the air, matted as hell and with an up yours expression when we’d ask him where he’d been.
When you said you were getting a maine coon I googled for a picture and got this.
So I keep thinking Boss Steve is going to wake up one day as a giant.
Very cute pic! Now, reduce Steve’s food allotment.
Ahh says fywp
@SectionH: Hand wash is far more watrr intensive. Also, must allow dishes to air dry to kill bac. Dead disgwasher is good dish dryer.
Kids can wash own plates, cups and utensils.
Bon ami and revere powders clean all pots, pans, casserole dishes.
Gloves are good. Get thick industrial supply. No bleeding SDS (sodium laureth sulphate) hands.
Very cool that Steve gets on so well and is so affectionate with your dogs. Maine coons really are such great cats. Our Gizmo Topper is a mixed Maine coon tabbie and just loves petting.
@Death Panel Truck: Used motor oil?
Nah, it reminds me of something created to be taken internally.
Moxie tastes like carbonated Cepacol.
Late to the thread, but I had a similar moment the other night with Ferdinand Gottschalk, born 1858, who was in Ex-Lady, Female, and Grand Hotel (Garbo’s balletmaster Pimenov).
@currants: It wasn’t quite dead (probably it is now though). But thanks. We’re planning to sell this house and move into something a lot smaller by next spring. I will definitely keep the Miele in mind.
I never had a dishwasher for years. Then moved into a place that had one, but still rarely used it. Dishwashing/drying time is the perfect time to interact with the teenagers and they don’t even realize how much they’re sharing with mom – or each other :) It’s a wonderful 20 minutes of bonding. My kids are adults and parents now, but when they’re over for dinner we still bond while washing the dishes. :)
Look at those gams!