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Open thread

by DougJ|  August 20, 201312:41 pm| 287 Comments

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Thought we could use a fun open thread topic: best songs that are partly in French.

Always been fascinated by this one, so 70s, even by David Gates’ standards.

And this makes me wish the 70s had never ended.

What else? Besides Blondie and Michelle, of course.

Or just go back to yelling at each other about Glenn Greenwald.

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  1. 1.

    MattW

    August 20, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Psycho Killer, qu’est-ce que c’est?

  2. 2.

    Yatsuno

    August 20, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    What is this, thread stomping day?

  3. 3.

    Randy P

    August 20, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    There’s a great one on the Blue Jasmine soundtrack. The French part sounds like it might be Cajun. I’ve been trying to track down the lyric to see what the French words are. I’ve got as far as finding out it’s “A Good Man is Hard to Find” by Lizzie Miles.

  4. 4.

    askew

    August 20, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    I like Shakira’s cover of Je L’aime A Mourir –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tkZQB-Uj4&feature=share&list=UUGnjeahCJW1AF34HBmQTJ-Q

    I have no idea how to embed the video here.

  5. 5.

    skjellyfetti

    August 20, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Peter Sarstedt – Where Do You Go To (My Lovely)

    Not exactly French but much about the lifestyle of affluent Parisiènnes.

  6. 6.

    gussie

    August 20, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Jeux Sans Frontières

    And Tout Dit is partly in French: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncuao5KQDcQ

  7. 7.

    Alexandra

    August 20, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    A vote for Serge Gainsbourg. Don’t care whether they’re partly or completely in French.

    Bonnie and Clyde, Je T’Aime…Moi Non Plus and the entire album of Histoire De Melody Nelson.

    Yeah, baby.

  8. 8.

    Yatsuno

    August 20, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    I’m a classicist at heart.

  9. 9.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    August 20, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    That’s my favorite David Gates song.

    ELO has one. Roll Over Beethoven? Driving, can’t google.

  10. 10.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Bonus points for hip-hop songs with french lyrics.

  11. 11.

    artem1s

    August 20, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Ce que j’ai fais, ce soir la
    Ce qu’elle a dit, ce soir la
    Realisant mon espoir
    Je me lance, vers la gloire …

    I hate people when they’re not polite…

  12. 12.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Apropos of almost nothing, here is a National Review article referencing an anecdote about a Jack Russell Terrier named “Rosie.”

  13. 13.

    john

    August 20, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    April Wine – Just Between You and Me. More seriously, Beausoleil – Zydeco Gris Gris. Also, that Ca Plain Pour Moi song.

  14. 14.

    Keith G

    August 20, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    There is actually a quiz that a French language teacher hipped me to a year or so ago.

  15. 15.

    john

    August 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    And yeah, Psycho Killer of course.

  16. 16.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    August 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Hold On Tight, rather.

  17. 17.

    john

    August 20, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Death and the Maiden by the Verlaines references Rimbaud. That counts, right?

  18. 18.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    @john:

    Ca Plain Pour Moi

    Ca Plane Pour Moi

    It doesn’t translate literally, but means “it’s easy for me.” The reference to a plane is like it’s gliding — or “smooth sailing.”

  19. 19.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    most everything Stereolab ever did

  20. 20.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Ça plane pour moi

  21. 21.

    Keith G

    August 20, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Many campy dance songs loves them some lingua Franca. Alcazar’s Menage A Trois is one.

    It’s also a great morning get up and go song.

  22. 22.

    gogol's wife

    August 20, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    Yes, that’s the one I was trying to think of.

  23. 23.

    Eljai

    August 20, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    I remember Stevie Wonder’s “My cherie amour”, but that probably doesn’t count because, after the title, it’s pretty much all in English.

  24. 24.

    srv

    August 20, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Reposting for all the open source folks, lawyers or experts on British Law:

    The owner of Lavabit tells us that he’s stopped using email and if we knew what he knew, we’d stop too. There is no way to do Groklaw without email. Therein lies the conundrum.

    What to do?

    What to do? I’ve spent the last couple of weeks trying to figure it out. And the conclusion I’ve reached is that there is no way to continue doing Groklaw, not long term, which is incredibly sad. But it’s good to be realistic. And the simple truth is, no matter how good the motives might be for collecting and screening everything we say to one another, and no matter how “clean” we all are ourselves from the standpoint of the screeners, I don’t know how to function in such an atmosphere. I don’t know how to do Groklaw like this.
    …
    So. There we are. The foundation of Groklaw is over. I can’t do Groklaw without your input. I was never exaggerating about that when we won awards. It really was a collaborative effort, and there is now no private way, evidently, to collaborate.

  25. 25.

    gogol's wife

    August 20, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    I always thought Michel Legrand was incredibly corny, but Les Parapluies de Cherbourg has changed my mind. Divine!

    It’s not really OT, because it’s all in French in the movie but all in English in the hit songs that emerged (“I Will Wait for You” and the other one the name of which escapes me right now).

  26. 26.

    Beatrice

    August 20, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Je Suis Desole by Mark Knopfler. Love to sing along with it!

  27. 27.

    gogol's wife

    August 20, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    “Watch What Happens” is the other one.

  28. 28.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    this just in: email was never meant to be secure.

    if you thought it was secure, you were mistaken.

  29. 29.

    flukebucket

    August 20, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Rod Stewart. Tonight’s the night. The French portion always was kind of freaky to me

    J’ai un peu peur
    Je que c’est que va dira maman
    Mon amour viens plus prus, embrasse-moi.
    Oh, Je t’adore beaucoup
    Cette nuit mon ami
    oui cette nuit mon ami
    Je t’aime Je t’aime Je t’aime ….

  30. 30.

    dedc79

    August 20, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Lots of stereolab songs

  31. 31.

    Randy P

    August 20, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Since you mention the 70s, “Voulez-vous Coucher avec moi” by the Pointer Sisters, of whom I was quite the fanboy once.

    And nobody has mentioned “Michelle ma Belle” by The Beatles?

  32. 32.

    Waldo

    August 20, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Melanie Safka: Look What They’ve Done to My Song Ma — a 1970 hit for the New Seekers

  33. 33.

    RandomMonster

    August 20, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Serge Gainsbourg, “Ford Mustang”. If you don’t love this song, there’s something wrong with you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT6U57QkUe8

  34. 34.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    @cleek: I think people just don’t understand how the internet works at a fundamental level. Unless you personally own all the cables between you and your recipient, somebody else can see what you’re doing. And if you own all of it, it ain’t an internet, it’s a network.

  35. 35.

    maximiliano furtive, formerly known as dr. bloor

    August 20, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    “Hungry for You” by the Police deserves a mention.

  36. 36.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    FIDDLIN’ FRENCHIE BURKE – BIG MAMMOU 1974

    You want some 70’s. . . I’ll give you some 70’s!

    On va toute aller a Grand Mamou,
    jolie monde, jolie fille, moi j’connait pas fais pa sa.
    eh ha ha, oh mignonne,
    ah bien moi j’men va labas a Grand Mamou.

  37. 37.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Jambalaya !

    well, maybe it’s not French, but it’s close.

  38. 38.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    @cleek: According to the guy who invented the mouse, it was a feature that the internet remembered everything you did, so that you wouldn’t have to.

  39. 39.

    Yatsuno

    August 20, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    @MikeJ: I find it even more amusing that a lot of the folks who are freaking out about their online privacy are also the no gubmint seekrit evar trolls as well. Privacy for me but not for thee. AKA White Male Problems, which we all know are the only ones that matter.

  40. 40.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 20, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    @? Martin: French hip hop (NSFW album cover among the pics.)

  41. 41.

    matt

    August 20, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    ‘michelle’ is an old classic..

  42. 42.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    @Belafon:
    that guy sounds like some kind of authority-worshipping fascist.

  43. 43.

    Anna in PDX

    August 20, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Darling, je vous aime beaucoup by Nat King Cole
    Safety Dance by Men Without Hats (“Francais!”)
    Sting’s song that includes the French rapper Sté Strausz “Perfect Love Gone Wrong” (from the point of view of the dog, it’s a great song, really fun)

    @Waldo:Yes, Melanie’s “what have they done to my song ma”! That is a great song. Melanie is great, period.

  44. 44.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    @cleek: Jambo (ham) ala (with) ya (rice).

  45. 45.

    Tractarian

    August 20, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie

  46. 46.

    Jacel

    August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Martin Mull (on the “and His Fabulous Furniture” album) sang a song with verse in early language lesson French and then, just as expressively in English: “Ah, yes. I am a man. What time is it? Potatoes. The book of my aunt, and the cheese and vegetables of my mother.”

  47. 47.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    @cleek: Yeah. And you can secure it when you need to, but it makes it less collaborative. I don’t understand Groklaw’s situation here:

    If you want to add strong encryption on top of your email, that’s easy. The challenge with it is that you need a second communication mechanism to share the encryption key. That makes it harder to collaborate – particularly with strangers, but what the fuck else do you expect? If you’re communicating with strangers, you already run the risk of the other end of that communication being the NSA or whoever you are trying to encrypt your data from.

    Public and secure are mutually exclusive things.

    And there’s a whole host of other ways to collaborate that exclude email that provide encryption. FFS, just use iMessage or Facetime which are both end-to-end encrypted and apparently unbreakable to law enforcement. They’re hardly the only things out there like that.

  48. 48.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    And an R&B version

    Smiley Lewis – Big Mamou

  49. 49.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    @? Martin: Paris sous les bombes. I’ve actually seen right wingers complain about dusky youth openly bragging about setting off bombs in this song. Of course it’s actually about graffiti.

  50. 50.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Well, yeah, I know there’s french hip-hop, but I’m talking domestic hip-hop that includes french.

  51. 51.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    @Yatsuno:
    there’s also a curious overlap between the ‘government should run our healthcare system’ crowd and the ‘government can’t know who i talk to’ crowd.

    if you don’t trust it to have the capability (though not the legal authority) to read your email and track your phone calls, how on earth could you want it to know everything about your health situation (including your mental health, your sexual issues, and the number of times your hemorrhoids flared up last year) ? it’s the same government, kids.

  52. 52.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Ya’ll motherfuckers need to relax and dig some jams.

  53. 53.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    @raven:
    heh. i never even considered that that might be a compound word.

  54. 54.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    @cleek: Well, it makes a good blogpost!

    There are many myths about the origin of the name ‘jambalaya.’ One commonly repeated folklore is that the word derives from the combination of the French ‘jambon’ meaning ham, the French article ‘à la’, a contraction of ‘à la manière de’ meaning “in the style of”, and ‘ya’, thought to be of West African origin meaning rice.[citation needed] Hence, the dish was named jamb à la ya. European explorers had imported rice from Asia and Africa. Enslaved Africans already had a native name for this crop; they called it ‘ya’. As Europeans learned the term ‘ya’ for rice, it became included in the name of the dish. However, this theory is largely discredited. Ham is not the signature element of the dish, so there is no reason why it would be featured in the name. Furthermore, there is no known African language in which ‘ya’ means “rice.

    And I’m all over some folklore, like white on rice!

  55. 55.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    @cleek:

    if you don’t trust it to have the capability (though not the legal authority) to read your email

    The capability cat was never in the bag that it is now out of. For a good time, fire up a copy of wireshark while sitting in starbucks discussing online privacy and just start reading out loud.

  56. 56.

    eemom

    August 20, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    I do not “yell” about Glenn Greenwald. Je ris mon cul roulant sur le sol.

  57. 57.

    gussie

    August 20, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    @cleek: Just email? Or all internet traffic?

  58. 58.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    @raven:
    boooooo

  59. 59.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 20, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    @? Martin: Hmm. Doubt I’d get a quick answer back from the only person I know who might know. And my google-fu fails me.

  60. 60.

    SectionH

    August 20, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Charles Aznavour For Me Formidable. I’m sure he did other French/English songs but that one comes immediately to mind.

    I inherited some of his LPs from my mother, but they’re still in Lexington. It’s harder to google his songs when I can remember lots of lyrics but not titles. Sigh.

  61. 61.

    GregB

    August 20, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    This is my Franco-phone summer. Went to my nephew’s wedding full of French speaking Rwandan’s, as well as some Quebeccers. Also running into a bunch of French Quebeccers at shows in Old Orchard Beach Maine and just worked with a film crew that was all French.

    Ces’t la vie.

  62. 62.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    @raven: Someone probably made up the word, and then when asked why, he gave the definition described. The question would then be, is that where the word came from?

  63. 63.

    ffredpalakon

    August 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    I’ll punt on this and say “Marie Douceur, Marie Colere” by Marie LaForet.

  64. 64.

    Bobby Thomson

    August 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Ne me quitte pas. -Jacques Brel

  65. 65.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    @gussie:
    email. my comment was really in reply to srv’s #24.

    but, of course there are other insecure protocols, too.

  66. 66.

    zombie rotten mcdonald

    August 20, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Big Zombie by the Mekons:

    Pardon merci, je suis le grande zombie
    I’m just not human tonight

  67. 67.

    zombie rotten mcdonald

    August 20, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Hah. Flamebait:

    Circumstances, by Rush.

  68. 68.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    @cleek: It’s in enough cajun cookbooks that I use it anyway. And the there is Creole from “Crillo” or “of the colonies”. African cooks using indigenous ingredients for European palates.

  69. 69.

    joel hanes

    August 20, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    @Belafon:

    While you guys are both correct about the (absent) privacy of email, groklaw is a tremendous loss.

    It’s apparent that we can’t have nice things.

  70. 70.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    @? Martin:

    If you want to add strong encryption on top of your email, that’s easy. The challenge with it is that you need a second communication mechanism to share the encryption key.

    How about just sending someone your public key? That’s how we establish secure communication with people we haven’t met, such as the good folks at Amazon dot-com.

    Then, of course, you need a way to trust that the public key you have corresponds to a private key that is in full control of the other party, but that’s way easier than establishing a secure side channel.

  71. 71.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    @Belafon:

    The Dictionary of American Food and Drink offers this creative old wives’ tale about the origin of the word:

    Late one evening a traveling gentleman stopped by a New Orleans inn which had little food remaining from the evening meal. The traveler instructed the cook, “Jean, balayez!” or “Jean, sweep something together!” in the local dialect. The guest pronounced the resulting hodge-podge dish as “Jean balayez.”

  72. 72.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 20, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Ed Schultz is moving back to weekdays, and taking one of Chris Matthews’ time slots, MSNBC said Monday.

    Schultz will take over the 5 PM slot Mondays through Fridays, starting August 26th. Matthews, whose “Hardball” aired at both 5 and 7 PM, will now air solely at 7.

    VINDICATION.

    Can’t wait to see AFL, CWA, ATU heads on prime time again. CTU. & suchlike.

  73. 73.

    gussie

    August 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    @cleek: Yeah, I was just wondering if that sort of insecurity was built into the net, or into email. Nice to know it’s mostly the latter. MikeJ had me worried.

  74. 74.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    @srv:

    Sorry, who is “Groklaw” and why am I supposed to care?

  75. 75.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Now if they could bring back UP with Chris Hayes, that was some good television right there.

    And air Smugness O’Donnell at midnight, up against Charlie Smarmy Rose. kekekeke

  76. 76.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    @? Martin: Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG_dA32oH44

  77. 77.

    shelly

    August 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    “Jambalaya !”
    ******

    Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez!

  78. 78.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    @srv: This strikes me as the moral equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot because your shoes are made in a Malaysian sweatshop.

  79. 79.

    Punchy

    August 20, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    For those that haven’t seen this, just fucking disgusting.

    All three teens were black, and by the pictures published in Australian newspapers, they look just exactly how many whites would view them. This will only increase the call for more SYG laws, and calls for Zimmerman to become Mayor of Duncan, OK.

    What a fucking mess.

  80. 80.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    @joel hanes:

    If my bank can set up secure messaging between me and one of its employees where I log into their website using my password, why can’t Groklaw?

  81. 81.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 20, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Groklaw is a very old IT law resource. Think the Slashdot crowd. With laws like DMCA out there and patent trolls a-plundering it’s an existential issue in that sector.

    I don’t understand why they can’t use encryption if they’re worried about privileged communications. Did something happen to PGP? It’s still legal, right? What geek doesn’t know about that?

  82. 82.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    @Punchy:

    Oh goody. Timmy will be spooging himself all over these threads at this proof of the ongoing race war against whitey.

  83. 83.

    Randy P

    August 20, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    @Randy P: I’m an idiot. “Voulez-vous” is “Lady Marmalade”, the 2nd embedded video.

    In my defense those videos aren’t loading on this phone in this (barely any signal) location

  84. 84.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 20, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    @MikeJ: I have to confess to having done more or less that.

  85. 85.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    @gussie:

    Yeah, I was just wondering if that sort of insecurity was built into the net, or into email. Nice to know it’s mostly the latter. MikeJ had me worried.

    Insecurity wasn’t “built into” email (RFC-822, if you care to read it). It’s more accurate to say that security was overlooked.

    Internet email was designed to carry messages over a network that was secure because its users were trusted. Everyone on the Internet in 1982 was either a DOD employee, a researcher, an employee at a company that worked with the DOD, or an academic. At the time, there wasn’t anything you would want to hide that you would also put on the net.

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Groklaw is a very old IT law resource. Think the Slashdot crowd. With laws like DMCA out there and patent trolls a-plundering it’s an existential issue in that sector.

    Yeah, sorry, it’s like trying to read something half-written in French when I haven’t taken French in 20 years. I’m sure those words mean a lot to IT geeks deep into hacking or whatever the kids these days are doing, but, again, I don’t know why I should be more upset about Groklaw than about, say, stop and frisk or school privatization.

    ETA: Yes, it’s true — I’ve been “on the internet” for over a decade and still have no idea what “Slashdot” is. I mean, I know it’s a website, but that’s about it. But, then, I don’t expect you guys to know who the Yarn Harlot is, so we’re even.

  87. 87.

    H.K. Anders

    August 20, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Lady Marmalade, despite its butchery of the reflexive verb se coucher.

    And Glenn Greenwald can suck my ass. ;-)

  88. 88.

    GregB

    August 20, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Oh yeah and there’s this French version of Oh What a Night.

    Claude Francois.

  89. 89.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    @joel hanes: I used to read groklaw back when they were covering SCO.

    The owner of Lavabit tells us that he’s stopped using email and if we knew what he knew, we’d stop too.

    There is no way to do Groklaw without email. Therein lies the conundrum.

    What to do?

    My answer is keep going. If they had known what most of us knew about email back in the 1980s they would have either shrugged their shoulders or moved to the mountains.

  90. 90.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 20, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    @gussie: MikeJ should have you worried. The underlying communication protocol of the Internet is, by nature and design, insecure. It can be made more secure, but that takes a non-zero effort.

  91. 91.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    @Punchy: Gee, maybe murdering this guy was even worse than bad press for the fucking murderers, ya think?

  92. 92.

    joes527

    August 20, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    @cleek: ummm… You do realize that Lavabit was a secure email service, and the “security hole” that shut them down was secret action by our government that they cant even discuss in detail w/o being put in jail?

    this just in: Lavabit was designed to be secure.
    It was secure right up to the time when our government arrived with secret documents and threats of prison to the folks running it.

  93. 93.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    @gussie:
    oh, there’s still plenty of ways to be insecure on the net.

    you should always assume that any web site that isn’t using https is completely insecure (ie. everything you send to the host and get back is plain text, unencrypted) – never give CC info on an non-http connection! and email is just text files flying around.

    unsecured WiFi is wide open for snooping, and WiFi’s “WEP” security is easily breakable.

  94. 94.

    Draylon Hogg

    August 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Regulo 7 by Moose has some beautiful French vocals by Stereolab’s Laetetia Sadler. Or Je suis un Rock Star by Bill Wyman.

  95. 95.

    Keith G

    August 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    @Yatsuno: You have been using this formulation…

    AKA White Male Problems,

    …quite a bit lately. As with most cliched broad strokes, I think it sidesteps the need for a more detailed and critical discussion of what is going on.

    Not the least of which, are there issues here that impact folks who are not white and/or not male?

    Certainly the least of which is that it gives of a certain smugness. Then,again, what is Balloon-Juice without a certain smugness.

  96. 96.

    peach flavored shampoo

    August 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    @Punchy: I suspect this case will become a clarion call to conservatives everywhere, who will start advocating a “shoot first, ask later” protocol for dealing with minority youth. The most messed up part is, with respect to this case, that would have been the correct response for this guy to have survived.

    I mean…these teens killed this guy soley because they were bored. Let that sink in.

  97. 97.

    Punchy

    August 20, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    @raven: I dont understand your comment.

  98. 98.

    Yatsuno

    August 20, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    @Keith G: Your concern is duly noted and treated with the level of urgency required.

  99. 99.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 20, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    @joes527: This just in, too. PGP still works. Any e-mail can be secured.

  100. 100.

    polyorchnid octopunch

    August 20, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Jean LeLoup is the man. Here’s “I Lost My Baby”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByV2m8kdDA8
    Here he is completely in English with “Think About You”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYnhXHgYlmQ
    And completely in French: “La vie est l’aide”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYklFKc5YWM

    Le quebecois qui mieux comprende le rock and roll.

  101. 101.

    RandomMonster

    August 20, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Also, everything by Jacques Dutronc, but if you want a taste try out “Et Moi Et Moi Et Moi”.

  102. 102.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    @Punchy: Apparently I don’t understand your either.

  103. 103.

    GregB

    August 20, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    @peach flavored shampoo:

    Maybe they didn’t like Mondays?

    It is nothing new in a society awash in guns and the idea that guns are the greatest problem solving tools ever.

  104. 104.

    polyorchnid octopunch

    August 20, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Only if you want to make sure they can’t see the content of the email. If you don’t want them to know where it came from, where it was going, or the specific people at each end of the exchange, PGP won’t help you.

    This is why it’s useless for dissidents, neither overseas in Russia or China nor in the US.

  105. 105.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    @joes527:

    It was secure right up to the time when our government arrived with secret documents and threats of prison to the folks running it.

    There is no technological way to get around a subpoena. For any communication to be useful, somebody somewhere has to know how to read it. If the law can put their hands on that person, the communication is never 100% secure.

  106. 106.

    xjmueller

    August 20, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Rod Stewart. Tonight’s the night. Young woman speaking french at the end. Rod has always been a bit of a dick. Marries well though…

  107. 107.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    @Belafon: I should also add that while I totally think that pj deserves her privacy, it’s not the government she should be worried about. The government is not going to go after someone who’s talking about apple vs samsung lawsuits, no matter how much you might think so. They’re not even going to look at emails marked “NSA has got to go.” Now, corporations on the other hand, and she has experience at that, back when she was covering SCO.

  108. 108.

    bk

    August 20, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    “Cherchez La Femme” – Dr. Buzzard’s Original Savannah Band.

  109. 109.

    wasabi gasp

    August 20, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Here’s some new French stuff that occasionally drops a little English.

    La Femme – Psycho Tropical Berlin

    danger: breasts ahead

  110. 110.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Slashdot is a place where you can argue PC vs Linux vs Mac every day, and where people have been having this govt snooping debate since the mid-90s.

    @joes527:

    this just in: Lavabit was designed to be secure.

    Lavabit is not email. it’s a service built on top of email, which enhances email’s functionality.

  111. 111.

    The Pale Scot

    August 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Does anyone know where one can watch the Chris Hayes’ “Politics of power” documentary? It seems it not even listed for rebroadcast.
    thx

  112. 112.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    @MikeJ: And, if we are going to be a nation of laws, then at some point the law has to trump technology. In both directions. Isn’t that the argument?

  113. 113.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    @Keith G:

    Be honest: had you ever heard of Groklaw before today?

  114. 114.

    Shana

    August 20, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    @Tractarian: Yes! And I can’t believe I’m the first with “Talk About the Passion” by REM.

  115. 115.

    smintheus

    August 20, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Any of the songs Francoise Hardy sang with English and French lyrics. What a lush voice she had.

  116. 116.

    Joel

    August 20, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Sexy Boy by Air is an easy pick. I know Air gets love for all their work with Sofia Koppola, but I think all that later work is boring. They’ve never lived up to the potential they flashed in Moon Safari.

    Protege Moi by Placebo? Not a favorite, really, but this is a narrow category.

  117. 117.

    Origuy

    August 20, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Fun fact: a text, particularly a poem or song that is in multiple languages is called Macaronic. Since it was often used to show erudition, particularly pretentiously, someone who adopted foreign fashion was called a macaroni. Hence the line in Yankee Doodle Dandy about sticking a feather in his cap and calling it macaroni.

    Edit: I’m not clear on the cause and effect. It could have started from people liking macaroni, in England at the time a foreign food.

  118. 118.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Slashdot is the (or one of the) original “web logs.”

    I joined a long time ago. At that time, Slashdot would ferret out cool tech stories days before you heard about them elsewhere. In short order, other tech news channels gained parity in terms of delivering new, interesting news and shortly after that, I found that I could find stuff I was interested in more easily elsewhere. At that point, the community was the main draw.

    For me, the most interesting story is about Slashdot moderation. They introduced a vote system and “karma.” They chose a few hundred top posters to start the process. Although I had different interests and outlook as most “Slashdotters,” I made the cut and became a moderator. The system was a lot like what’s on Daily Kos. This worked great, and hugely improved quality. Then people began to gripe about the moderation, so they introduce meta-moderation. Moderators could lose karma by having their moderation decisions voted down. Shortly after, I lost moderation status.

    The effect of metamoderation was to ensure group-think. Originally, moderators were chosen because their posts were well-liked, which implied that they were thoughtful contributors. After metamoderation, respect would not keep you in moderator status; now you also had to conform to popular opinions.

    When the site became mired in butthurt over the suggestion that freely distributing copyrighted works was, like, a basic human right, man, I left the site behind.

  119. 119.

    joes527

    August 20, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    @MikeJ: If only the trusted third part could reside in a country w/o secret subpenas for wholesale hoovering of data…

  120. 120.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    @Belafon: Yes, and I agree. If you own a safe and the cops think you have the proceeds of a bank robbery in it, they can get a subpoena and force you to open it or go to prison. There’s no reason why cryptographically locked documents should be different from physically locked doors.

    Now if people want to argue about secret subpoenas or that it’s too easy in general to get one, I’ll agree that those are problems. I’ll write letters, make phone call, march in a parade to protest. The problem isn’t the technology that makes investigative overreach possible, it’s investigative overreach.

  121. 121.

    Keith G

    August 20, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    @Yatsuno: Good. I can rest easy now.

    @Mnemosyne: I cannot wait to read how that is relevant to my comment.

  122. 122.

    Alex S.

    August 20, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Tour De France – Kraftwerk, heh…

  123. 123.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    @Keith G: Forget it Keith, it’s Balloon Town.

  124. 124.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    @The Red Pen:

    I joined a long time ago.

    ooh. that is a long time ago!

    my ID is in the 26Ks, which is pretty old. but not that old.

  125. 125.

    srv

    August 20, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    @Punchy:

    and calls for Zimmerman to become Mayor of Duncan, OK.

    That one I had not heard of. Maybe he should start a Buffalo Bill type traveling show.

    @Keith G:

    Not the least of which, are there issues here that impact folks who are not white and/or not male?

    Well, the whole thing about drones is white folks way of feeling bad about all those non-white folks having to embrace a Hellfire or JDAM. What’s in it for them?

    But it is even bothering me. That white-bastion of geekydom, reddit and news.ycombinator.com have so jumped the shark that I can’t even troll with a straight face anymore. It’s like every other commenter is real or… DougJ

    America is dead.

    So where do we live? Every single thing that the US stood for has literally been murdered in the last 13 years.

    We are not the land of the free. We are not a home for the brave. We have zero moral standing on any issue. We are 100% completely corrupt and destroyed as any nation we were raised to believe in.

    I’m starting to miss truthers.

  126. 126.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 20, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    @Punchy: OK already has SYG. SYG increases fatal shootings.

    Obviously the answer is more SYG.

  127. 127.

    Keith G

    August 20, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader: I just finished rewatching that. Good golly what a flick.

  128. 128.

    joes527

    August 20, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    @Yatsuno: did you just equate citizen’s right to privacy from from their government with government’s right privacy from its citizens?

    … and somehow citizen’s right to privacy from from their government is a white male issue?

    Man, you live in bizarro-world.

  129. 129.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    @cleek:

    my ID is in the 26Ks, which is pretty old. but not that old.

    33k for me, but only because I absolutely refused to give any web site my email address for a long, long time.

    I met #11 or 12? (something sub teen) at a London.pm meeting once.

  130. 130.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 20, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    @polyorchnid octopunch: Countermail and NeoMailbox work just fine. Others will arise, I’m sure, as there continues to be market demand. People act as if Lavabit was the first and/or only. Why store e-mail in the USA?

  131. 131.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    @joes527: If only there was a bank where you could put your money so that no other government could get to it.

  132. 132.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 20, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Arguments from personal incredulity really just add that touch of class to Balloon Juice.

    Seriously, are we not allowed to have other interests than this blog?

    alexa – groklaw 200778
    balloon-juice 82018
    eff.org 18031
    reddit 114

    The horror. The horror.

  133. 133.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    @MikeJ:

    I met [Slashdot UID] #11 or 12? (something sub teen) at a London.pm meeting once.

    Did you discuss the imminent reemergence of AmigaDOS?

  134. 134.

    joes527

    August 20, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    @Belafon: oooh oooh!! I know this one!

    False equivalence.

    Now there’s some BJ ethos!

  135. 135.

    Santa Fe

    August 20, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Howsabout Peter Gabriel’s Games Without Frontiers?

  136. 136.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    @The Red Pen: Actually we went with a few of the other mongers to an arcade down the street and played DDR and pool.

  137. 137.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    @Keith G: Be honest, had you ever heard of that movie before I referenced it?

  138. 138.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 20, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    @cleek:

    Slashdot is a place where you can argue PC vs Linux vs Mac every day, and where people have been having this govt snooping debate since the mid-90s.

    Crackers and phreekers who decoded ATT’s electronic switching system to f*ck with Ma Bell (and make free long distance phone calls, also, too–oh, and because they were just curious, see Woz, The) were the original non-violent offenders in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

    The rise in mandatory drug sentencing actually came afterwards.

    It’s kind of like how you can do more time for a bank robbery with a piece that was never fired than for attempted murder.

    All hail our corporate overlords.

    Yeah, so there’s a reason geeks are paranoid about this stuff… and it’s only fucking gotten worse. Good portions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act are arrant bullshit, imo.

  139. 139.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    @joes527:

    If only the trusted third part could reside in a country w/o secret subpenas for wholesale hoovering of data…

    Whatever happened to that data haven in Kinakuta?

  140. 140.

    Paul in KY

    August 20, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Blondie has a couple. Sure they’ve already been mentioned.

  141. 141.

    peach flavored shampoo

    August 20, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    It is nothing new in a society awash in guns

    Killing in broad daylight a completely innocent stranger purely out of boredom by 3 teenagers in BFI OK is “nothing new”? In my world experience it is.

  142. 142.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Uh, that was the argument I was making since I referenced the Yarn Harlot. I’m assuming you don’t read her, or the Panopticon (which has nothing to do with what some libertarian-leaners here refer to as the Panopticon), or Grumperina, or Brooklyn Tweed. And that’s leaving aside Bikeyface, or Bike Shop Girl.

    I have interests outside of politics, but I don’t demand that my outside interests must be of vital interest to everyone who posts here, and anything that affects them affects all of us. And yet it seems that’s what I’m asked to do when it comes to Groklaw.

  143. 143.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @joes527: Nope, actually. My point was that there’s a reason we allow governments to have police forces, FBI’s, CIA’s, and militaries. Governments aren’t the only entities that have the potential to, and sometimes, do bad things. As much as I want to restrict the governments ability to go running after every whim, I will never agree to having a system where there is no way for a government to get to information, even if it’s nothing more than a subpoena that has to be followed.

  144. 144.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 20, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    @Mnemosyne: But, then, I don’t expect you guys to know who the Yarn Harlot is, so we’re even.

    Actually, I know exactly who she is, thank you. I even have a Ravelry account.

    You’re the one mouthing off to other posters and calling them liars instead of Just Fucking Googling It.

    Also, this smacks of “I was a fan of Stephanie Pearl MacPhee before she was famous, brah.”

  145. 145.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: Man, I have no idea what any of that means.

  146. 146.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    @Belafon:
    turn in your Liberal card, immediately.

  147. 147.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 20, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    @The Red Pen: Everyone on the Internet in 1982 was either a DOD employee, a researcher, an employee at a company that worked with the DOD, or an academic. At the time, there wasn’t anything you would want to hide that you would also put on the net.

    Ha ha until that douchebag who later was my phys professor one semester left his admin account on the MIT network wide open and those East German hackers got in and started rooting around for info on nukes.

  148. 148.

    MomSense

    August 20, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Oh Denis, ooo be do

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRhfGk98rZI

  149. 149.

    srv

    August 20, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    best songs that are partly in French.

    Oh, I have one. David Byrne and Marissa Monte do Waters of March

    I could listen to her all day long.

  150. 150.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    You’re the one mouthing off to other posters and calling them liars instead of Just Fucking Googling It.

    Sorry, can you link to the comment in this thread when I did that? KTHXBAI.

    Also, this is not explaining why I should be desperately worried about Groklaw’s email problems. Since you read both websites, does that mean that everyone at Balloon-Juice should also be desperately worried about Stephanie’s fundraising for her charity bike ride, and anyone who’s not concerned is an asshole who doesn’t care about AIDS?

    ETA: And, yes, I was assuming that you’re a dude. Sorry about that.

  151. 151.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    @cleek: I’m from Texas. My liberal card was always a bit suspect anyway.

  152. 152.

    jamick6000

    August 20, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    I’ll go with La Mer (Julio Iglesias)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGcp3_OT2-0

  153. 153.

    gbear

    August 20, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Fairport Convention’s cover of the Bob Dylan song “If You Gotta Go'” sung completely in french. It was actually a hit song for them. They did on a lark; the drummer is playing a stack of chairs that falls over and sends some bottles flying at the end of one of the verses. It’s a great song featuring the vocals Sandy Denny and Richard Thompson along with anyone else available who could sing.

  154. 154.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    The Singing Nun – “Dominique” (1963)

  155. 155.

    Gozer

    August 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Brigitte Fontaine – Le Goudron (or YACHT’s recent remake of it)

  156. 156.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    How about Frère Jacques? My dad taught me that one when I was little. He’s Cajun from the swamps around Crowley.

  157. 157.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    @Belafon: I heard a rumor that they’re going to add the parenthetical (except for Austin) to the legal name of the state.

  158. 158.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Oh, and I’m not saying that the Groklaw guys are lying or that they aren’t having problems keeping their email secure. I just don’t particularly care and don’t really see how it applies to me.

  159. 159.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Ha ha until that douchebag who later was my phys professor one semester left his admin account on the MIT network wide open and those East German hackers got in and started rooting around for info on nukes.

    Well, yeah, but it was a trickle of events like this that lead to a slow increase in security. But internet email remains painfully insecure by default and let’s not even talk about it having no way to stop UCE.

    Remember that the 1988 Robert Morris worm relied on a feature of sendmail in which it would allow you to upload executable code to “help it out” on certain tricky email routing problems. This was enabled by default. Bottom line is that Internet security was off the radar until way too late.

  160. 160.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Where is SFAW? It looks like some people are trying to start a fight in here or “pass the time”.

  161. 161.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    @gbear: I don’t care if this is in english. I’m sending it yo you anyway

    A Heart Needs a Home

  162. 162.

    Keith G

    August 20, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader: I you think that, “You’re dumber than you think I think you are.”

  163. 163.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    @MikeJ: Slightly more seriously, Dallas is thinking of joining the lawsuit against the new voting laws in the state. If they were going to change the name, it would have to read Texas (except Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin).

  164. 164.

    jamick6000

    August 20, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Conservatives say they hate the government, so as a liberal, I have to defend everything the government does.

  165. 165.

    lamh36

    August 20, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Chilling Political Video Re-Enacts Trayvon Martin Killing

    I dont like that they didn’t at least give the Martin family a heads up they were running this ad, but I do understand the reason for it.

  166. 166.

    Mnemosyne

    August 20, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader:

    What, I’m supposed to do actual work while I’m at work?

  167. 167.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    @Keith G:

    If you think that, “You’re dumber than you think I think you are.”

    What can I tell you, Kid? You’re right. When you’re right, you’re right, and you’re right.

  168. 168.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    @jamick6000:
    poor strawman. he didn’t even see it coming.

  169. 169.

    gbear

    August 20, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    @raven: Can’t check out the video right now but I love that song. I hope it’s one of the versions with Linda Thompson singing. Absolutely beautiful song. I’ll listen when I’s at my home computer.

  170. 170.

    jamick6000

    August 20, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    More Spying, Less Social Security: Making the Case for Government

  171. 171.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    @gbear: It is.

  172. 172.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    and… we have a new pie lover.

  173. 173.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    @The Red Pen:

    If I had to choose between saving an AmStaf with a known history of mangling babies and Dennis Praeger, I’d save the AmStaf.

  174. 174.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    @The Red Pen: The only way to have good security is for it to be built with security in mind. The internet was not built with security in mind. Exactly the opposite, it was built with sharing in mind.

  175. 175.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 20, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb9By-lODgk

  176. 176.

    joel hanes

    August 20, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    If my bank can set up secure messaging between me and one of its employees where I log into their website using my password, why can’t Groklaw?

    You miss the point.

    All that encryption is for naught if the courts can order the carrier to diviulge everything it knows about you, and order you to divulge the key on pain of imprisonment — which was about to hapen to the Lava guy.

    If the Feds come calling, your bank will happily roll over and tell them everything they know about you. That’s kinda OK with most people, because most people don’t have vindictive enemies in the Federal government.

    It’s not technology that’s changed; it’s the legal regime. The people who provided privacy email services no longer feel that they can in good conscience offer such a service, because they can’t hold off the Feds, and the Feds have abandoned all restraint.

    pj can’t work if not anonymous. She has unscrupulous enemies who will damage her life if they can find her.

  177. 177.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    I used to be a big fan of groklaw but then the free market opened up a treasure trove of top-notch legal pontificating in Balloon Juice Open Pet Threads.

  178. 178.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    @jamick6000: you go ahead and do that. I’ll stay in the real world, thank you.

  179. 179.

    gbear

    August 20, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    @raven: I was taking stock of my CD collection yesterday and realized I have way too much stuff. Between Fairport Convention, Richard and/or Linda Thompson, and Sandy Denny, I must have 60 CDs. I love that stuff.

  180. 180.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 20, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Whoever mentioned Frere Jacques, you set off a chain of something in my head that gave me this ear worm. Damn you. Damn you straight to hell.

  181. 181.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’ve been damned to hell by more qualified people than you.

  182. 182.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’ve been damned to hell by more qualified people than you.

  183. 183.

    rikyrah

    August 20, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    There won’t be any GOP alternative to Obamacare

    By Jonathan Bernstein, Published: August 20 at 12:04 pm

    We’re hearing more and more rumblings from top Republicans that the GOP’s current position on Obamacare is untenable — that the party can’t continue to call for the destruction of Obamacare forever without offering any alternative. The push from the right for a shutdown has only drawn that into sharper relief, and so we’re finally hearing that Republicans — finally! — will make good on their promise, now 30 months overdue, to come up with the “replace” part of repeal-and-replace.

    It ain’t gonna happen. There won’t be any serious GOP alternative to Obamacare.

    The first problem with developing an alternative to the Affordable Care Act is that there just may not be any policy alternative that comes close to accomplishing what the law accomplishes. At first, it looked like conservatives would leave themselves a way to propose their own version of the same reforms in Obamacare, and rename it on their own terms. As such, there seemed to be a method to it when, at the outset, conservatives worked hard to prevent an actual discussion of the substance of the law itself. Much of the initial hatred of the ACA was focused on a series of phony talking points and outright lies (“government takeover” of health care; “death panels”; the law was “rammed through” using corrupt procedural tricks; etc.).

    Since none of that was true, it gave Republicans an opening: they may have stigmatized “Obamacare,” but they hadn’t stigmatized the policy ideas at the core of the law — the combination of exchanges and subsidies that actually started out as a Republican plan, as Ezra Klein explains in detail today. In other words, as late as 2012 it seemed plausible Republicans could choose to invent a ConservaCare proposal based on Ronald Reagan Marketplaces that would basically offer a slightly different spin on the same underlying idea.

    But conservatives have decided that no policy overlap with Obamacare is acceptable.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/08/20/there-wont-be-any-gop-alternative-to-obamacare/

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    jamick6000

    August 20, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Just as the #Benghazi investigation heats up, Obama gets a new puppy. Coincidence? I ThINK NOT! The media will fall for this hook, line and sinker. >:(

  185. 185.

    imonlylurking

    August 20, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    I can’t believe nobody has mentioned ‘I Love You, Goodbye’ by Thomas Dolby.

  186. 186.

    joel hanes

    August 20, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    @The Red Pen:

    Slashdot is the (or one of the) original “web logs.”

    The original weblog was Jorn Barger’s “Robot Wisdom”. Jorn had been experimenting with internet digests on Usenet, before the advent of the Web, and immediately seized on the possibility of an individual Web site to log and describe the fascinating things he was finding online as the Web flowered.

    Danny Yee’s “Pathologically Polymathic” is almost as old, and very nearly preserves the ur-form of the earliest blogs.

  187. 187.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Rethuglican health care plan: if you get sick, and can’t afford treatment, you die.

    Simple.

  188. 188.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    @gbear: @gbear: John Renbourn and Pentangle were great too.

    Let No Man Steal Your Thyme.

  189. 189.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Pentangle – Travelling Song

  190. 190.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    @joel hanes:

    It’s not technology that’s changed; it’s the legal regime.

    No. It’s not the legal regime. It’s maybe your naive understanding of how the world works that is changing. Subpoenas give the government that power. Period.

    As for how it’s changed recently, once again, do you know any of your history? The FISA court was set up because the government was doing this kind of stuff a while ago. It just put it under the same legal system that everything else was going through.

    Hell, the legal regime is still the same as it was 30 years ago. We just have systems that don’t necessarily conform to people’s belief. When you make a phone call, who owns the data that corresponds to the beginning and end of the phone call, especially when you give the company the right to that information? And if the company owns it, and the government legally asks them for it, do you have any rights at all?

    I’m sorry, part of the reason I don’t freak out is that this didn’t happen yesterday, and I didn’t find out yesterday. It may also help that I know what computers and people are capable of, not only with respect to intent, but ability.

  191. 191.

    FlipYrWhig

    August 20, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    @joel hanes: is that different from how a bank will give you a safe deposit box but will also open the box when investigators come calling? This isn’t my thing. It’s not a rhetorical question. I’m just not following.

  192. 192.

    gbear

    August 20, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    I skimmed the list again pretty fast but I didn’t see a mention of C’est La Vie written by Chuck Berry and covered by every country and roots band that ever existed. I like the Emmylou Harris version.

  193. 193.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    And then, of course , Julie Driscoll ~with Brian Auger & The Trinity ~ / Indian Rope Man

  194. 194.

    Betty Cracker

    August 20, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    @lamh36: Wow. I think that’s a very powerful ad. I’ve wondered since the trial what influence (if any) that animated “reenactment” the Zimmerman defense ran had on the jurors. We’re a very visual society. Seeing something sticks, even if it’s just a representation.

  195. 195.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Because California hates America more than anyone else.

    In California, officials are ramping up a unique program that identifies and seizes guns from people who are prohibited from keeping them. Under state law, a legally registered gun owner loses the right to own a firearm when he or she is convicted of a crime or becomes mentally ill.
    __
    Last year, state agents seized nearly 2,000 firearms, but implementing the gun seizure program is a painstaking job. In a recent operation, a caravan of four unmarked trucks traversed the bedroom communities of San Francisco’s East Bay. The trucks carry nine state agents wearing bulletproof vests and armed with .40-caliber Glock pistols and Tasers. They’ll spend the next six hours looking for illegal guns, explains Special Agent Kisu Yo of the California Department of Justice.

  196. 196.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    @joel hanes: I could have looked that up, couldn’t I? :”)

  197. 197.

    Trollhattan

    August 20, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    I see no evidence DougJ was actually alive in the ’70s. Misses disco? No Plastic Bertrand? Sheesh.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PITnJAnmjqw

  198. 198.

    patrick II

    August 20, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    My 19-year old self would say that anything Claudine Longet sang was the best French song — even if she was trying to sing it in english.

  199. 199.

    beer time somewhere

    August 20, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    @joel hanes:

    It’s not technology that’s changed; it’s the legal regime.

    This! With PJ it was (is) always about the law and nothing else – no politics allowed on Groklaw. Now her own gov’t is basically saying she has no expectation of email privacy. If they can’t break the encryption now, they’ll keep it until they can. I wonder how many lawyers are starting to worry about their client communications?

  200. 200.

    TG Chicago

    August 20, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    If it’s okay to be all in French, I say “Laisse tomber les filles” by France Gall.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC-3v58ZFco

  201. 201.

    ruemara

    August 20, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    @srv: Do any of these people read a TOS? Comprehend the nature of e-communications? SMH, this is silly.

    Had a phone interview. Sounds very good, but we’ll see.

  202. 202.

    Jane2

    August 20, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I’m sure that neither the Yarn Harlot nor I give a crap about Groklaw and have survived quite nicely. Never heard of it until today.

  203. 203.

    Mark B.

    August 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    How about Je Suis Rick Springfield? It’s a catchy little tune about a middle aged guy with terrible French trying to pick up an attractive woman in a bar somewhere in France. It’s not a classic, but perhaps one day it will be.

  204. 204.

    david

    August 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Just Between You and Me by April Wine

  205. 205.

    Southern Beale

    August 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    “The Obamas don’t have any white dogs,” says The Daily Caller (link to LGF not Tucker Carlson’s House Of Horror).

    How’s that for dog whistles?

  206. 206.

    SFAW

    August 20, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    I don’t speak French, so I’m not sure if this contains French lyrics.

  207. 207.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    @Southern Beale: Get my email?

  208. 208.

    Jane2

    August 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    @gbear: You can never have too much good folk/Americana music for my tastes.

  209. 209.

    Jane2

    August 20, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    My faves with French in them are by Lucille Starr…”The French Song” and her version of “Colinda”. Go, les Franco-Manitobans!

  210. 210.

    Trollhattan

    August 20, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    @Southern Beale:

    Yecch. Bo’s white booties are tokenism, I suppose. Not to mention Bo was a gift from a known commie.

    That’s their A-game? Like Demint trolling the possibility Obama Just Might Sign a Bill Repealing Obamacare because we Just Can’t Know That He Won’t. Life on the Wingnut Welfare circuit, reduced to a series of soul-killing photo ops.

  211. 211.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    @Southern Beale: I think the real crime to them is that some black people were able to afford a $2,000 dog, when most of the folks complaining blew any shot at having $2,000 on either subprime mortgages or meth.

  212. 212.

    MomSense

    August 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    And if you don’t die you might lose everything including your house.

  213. 213.

    Belafon

    August 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    @? Martin: Or ammo.

  214. 214.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    How bout French in English

    Nouvelle Vague – Dance With Me from “Bande à Part” by Jean-Luc Godard. Dancing girl is Anna Karina.

  215. 215.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 20, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    @Southern Beale: Unfortunately, no matter what he does President Kitteh cannot satisfy them.

  216. 216.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    If I had to choose between saving an AmStaf with a known history of mangling babies and Dennis Praeger, I’d save the AmStaf.

    I think I’d sick the dog on Dennis Praeger.

  217. 217.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    @raven: Not in French, but related, Sixpence None the Richer did a video recreating the run through the Louvre from the same movie.

  218. 218.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 20, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    French designers are alright but Fashionista Kitteh prefers British designers.

  219. 219.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    @MikeJ: Cool, I’d heard the song but had no idea who did it!

  220. 220.

    joel hanes

    August 20, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    @Belafon:

    maybe your naive understanding of how the world works that is changing. Subpoenas give the government that power.

    You are absolutely correct, of course, and I should have spent much more time on the wording of that comment.

    What is true, though not what I said, is that in the space of a few days, operators of two “email privacy” operations have closed down. Both have stated they perceive a change in the legal regime or enforcement climate that makes it no longer possible for them to promise confidentiality to their customers.

    Bad writing on my part. The claims are theirs, not mine.

  221. 221.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    @The Red Pen:

    Then, of course, you need a way to trust that the public key you have corresponds to a private key that is in full control of the other party, but that’s way easier than establishing a secure side channel.

    Unless the entity you are worried about listening in is the NSA or some other signals agency. Then that’s not so easy to ensure. Additionally, it’s not so easy to ensure that the other party isn’t themselves the NSA, which is another part of the concern.

  222. 222.

    MomSense

    August 20, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    There is no French in this song and actually the song is sort of boring but it is worth watching just for the Flamenco dancing.
    I’m breaking all the blog rules today.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHw7gdJ14uQ

    ETA: The palmas is the best part of the song.

  223. 223.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 20, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    My first exposure to French

  224. 224.

    MomSense

    August 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    I don’t know why I’m in moderation. Perhaps our blog overlords don’t like Flamenco on a French music thread?

  225. 225.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    @joel hanes:

    What is true, though not what I said, is that in the space of a few days, operators of two “email privacy” operations have closed down. Both have stated they perceive a change in the legal regime or enforcement climate that makes it no longer possible for them to promise confidentiality to their customers.

    I would also note that the operators of services like that (at least the ones I have known) tend to be inherently paranoid (which is why they set up the business to begin with), so while there may be a perception of a change in the legal regime, that doesn’t mean anything has actually changed. Further, what they report as abuses may in fact be perfectly legal and ordinary. These guys are often not far removed from the self-proclaimed constitutional originalists who see absolute freedom in the one area of interest they have, and are unable to draw parallels to others – where subpoenas to search a house are routine and reasonable but subpoenas to search an email account are tyranny.

    I take these with a bit of a grain of salt as a result. I need to read some responses from these operators that don’t sound like a teaparty press release with ‘guns’ scratched out and ‘computers’ penciled in. So far, both email operators statements sound exactly like that.

  226. 226.

    taylormattd

    August 20, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    BOTH SIDES DO IT

  227. 227.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    @joel hanes:

    Both have stated they perceive a change in the legal regime or enforcement climate that makes it no longer possible for them to promise confidentiality to their customers.

    Which again shows that they were ignorant, not that the legal environment has actually changed that much. Services to cover the tracks of email users have been facing legal challenges and been forced to divulge information to the authorities at least since the mid 1990s. It was anonymizing proxies back then rather than email encryption services, but it was the same general principle. These services are making a political point by shutting down now, not doing their users any real service.

  228. 228.

    NSA

    August 20, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    @raven:

    Get my email?

    yes.

  229. 229.

    Chris

    August 20, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    There’s a delightful Quebecois song called “J’aime pas ta face” in which the singer details just how much he hates his boss – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCytVNTmxZI. I think that’s somewhere in my top 3 favorite French-language songs ever.

    Also anything by Georges Brassens; his songs often turn into earworms for me, but the kind I actually don’t mind.

  230. 230.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    And, of course, Eileen Brennan – La Vie en Rose

  231. 231.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    @NSA: Cool

  232. 232.

    Senyordave

    August 20, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    What a shock, some professional athletes are snubbing a WH invite. Don’t remember seeing athletes snub invites from Bush or Clinton nearly this often (actually don’t remeber any snubs). Can someone think of a difference with this president? I’m blanking on this one.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/miami-dolphins-obama_n_3784639.html

  233. 233.

    Narus

    August 20, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    @Senyordave:
    here are some snubs

  234. 234.

    Gravenstone

    August 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    @? Martin: And cue the wingnut freak out about “jackbooted ATF thugs”.

    Yes, those would be the same cretins who mouth platitudes about “enforcing the laws already on the books”. But should the govenrment ever have the temerity to actually follow through on enforcement …

    /sigh

  235. 235.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    @Senyordave:

    yeah, some players snubbed W, and HW, too.

  236. 236.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    fuck moderation.

  237. 237.

    PopeRatzo

    August 20, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    @Belafon:

    As much as I want to restrict the governments ability to go running after every whim, I will never agree to having a system where there is no way for a government to get to information,

    It’s dishonest to suggest that there are some great number of us asking to stop government from getting to information. We just want them to stick to the limitations put on them by the Constitution.

    And that means, warrants, subpoenas, allowing the accused to face their accusers with representation present, etc. No secret courts, secret warrants, secret laws. There are already tens of thousands of pages of actual laws that are protected by copyright or are classified outright.

    I know there are a lot of loyal Democrats who want to blink and have this entire issue disappear behind President Obama’s “transparency commission” but that’s just not going to happen. If anything, the movement to limit the police state is picking up steam. There are people right here in these comments sections that six weeks ago would have scoffed at the idea, who now see this is the defining issue of our time. Not gay marriage, not health care reform and not…well, sorry, I can’t think of any other supposedly signature issues of the past five years. If we can’t have even the most basic privacy, gay marriage and health care reform just aren’t going to matter, because there’s no way to make sure that some small, venal Republican will rise to power who will use that national security apparatus and make innocent peoples’ lives a living hell. For an increasing number of people, even supposedly benign administrations like the current one have made their lives a living hell. Ask Aaron Schwartz’ family, or any of the whistleblowers who have been prosecuted or any of the journalists who are threatened with the Espionage Act.

    When you have police state powers, even decent men become tyrants. And furry little black puppies on the White House lawn are not going to distract those of us who believe this to be true.

  238. 238.

    Bostondreams

    August 20, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Well, this is way late, but I enjoy the Flight of the Conchords’ wonderful song, in French. Sort of.

  239. 239.

    Chris

    August 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    @srv:

    America is dead.
    …
    So where do we live? Every single thing that the US stood for has literally been murdered in the last 13 years.
    …
    We are not the land of the free. We are not a home for the brave. We have zero moral standing on any issue. We are 100% completely corrupt and destroyed as any nation we were raised to believe in.

    See, what makes me eyeroll about things like that is the belief that we were ever “the nation we were raised to believe in” or that what’s happened in the last few years (even if you’re counting the Bush years as the beginning). Yes, there are ways in which we’ve been getting much worse in recent years (and other ways in which we’ve been getting better), but seriously, when were we as a country NOT plagued by some serious issues? We really need to stop taking this Shining City On A Hill crap as if it were ever real.

  240. 240.

    Chris

    August 20, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    @rikyrah:

    At first, it looked like conservatives would leave themselves a way to propose their own version of the same reforms in Obamacare, and rename it on their own terms.

    That’s close to my own theory; that as time goes by, conservatives will eventually accept “Obamacare,” but will manage to have their cake and eat it too by praising individual parts of Obamacare (like, say, the pre-existing conditions rule) separately as if they were something completely different, while still referring to the vague, ill-defined “Obamacare” as a whole as evil and wasteful.

    ETA: Kind of the same way people now hate “big government” as an amorphous whole, but love each and every individual part of it (Social Security, Medicare, etc) if asked about it individually.

  241. 241.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    @Chris:
    people love to think their time on earth is the most momentous and crucial and transformative time that there ever was. and their pet issue is always the most important issue, ever. and their enemies are always the worst, ever. it helps them feel important, i suppose. beats admitting that everywhere you look, all there is is just people being people, doing what people have done for millennia, but wearing different clothes.

  242. 242.

    cleek

    August 20, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    @PopeRatzo:

    There are people right here in these comments sections that six weeks ago would have scoffed at the idea, who now see this is the defining issue of our time. Not gay marriage, not health care reform and not…well, sorry, I can’t think of any other supposedly signature issues of the past five years.

    and there are people right here in these comments who do not think that.

    take a poll.

    and take another one in six weeks.

  243. 243.

    FlipYrWhig

    August 20, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    @PopeRatzo: there are people who think the defining issue of our time is restoring the gold standard. Millions of them.

  244. 244.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    @? Martin:

    Unless the entity you are worried about listening in is the NSA or some other signals agency. Then that’s not so easy to ensure. Additionally, it’s not so easy to ensure that the other party isn’t themselves the NSA, which is another part of the concern.

    Keys can be generated that are of sufficient size that the NSA won’t be able to crack them in the 5-year window. The NSA being sneaky and inserting false keys is also unlikely, especially if the keys are, themselves signed by a trusted third party. The most likely scenario is for the other person’s private key to be compromised. This varies in difficulty depending on how paranoid they are.

    I can encrypt things the NSA can’t decrypt (in less than a decade), but if I send that encrypted text to an idiot, it might be easier just to get it from the recipient.

  245. 245.

    fuckwit

    August 20, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    @joel hanes: Hmm. There are some options, RetroShare among them, and other darknets, which could be used to be more anonymous. But good point: no encryption or technology can withstand the Rubber Hose Attack, in which some mafia enforcer or criminal or military or government agent ties you to a chair and starts beating you with a rubber hose until you give them your password and all your encrypted data.

    Now, there are some solutions, like one-time pads that get securely destroyed so that you don’t HAVE the keys to give up to anyone no matter how much they torture you, and the professional cloak-and-dagger guys in governments use that. But even that’s got to be carefully managed.

    Rubber Hose Attacks happensviolently in third-world countries, and happen here simply by lawyers threatening to sue you into poverty or government prosecutors threatening to put you away forever. Everyone has ways of making you talk.

    Ultimately, if the law allows the government to compel you to reveal your keys, then all your high technology is useless.

    Shit. There’s no solution other than a political solution: elect a Congress that can and will pass laws to rein this in.

  246. 246.

    crosspalms

    August 20, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    “Crazy Arms” by Ian and Sylvia (with Great Speckled Bird)

    “Complainte pour Ste. Catherine” by Kate and Anna McGarrigle (though I can’t remember if it actually has any English words in it…)

  247. 247.

    raven

    August 20, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    EMOMOFO”S ALL OVER!

  248. 248.

    Keith G

    August 20, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    @Senyordave: Sorry, but I do not care. I am waiting for the president who has the courage to stop the grotesque spectacle of allowing yet more groups of millionaires to get private tours of the White House and face time with the First or Second Families.

    Looks like it won’t be this one or probable the next.

  249. 249.

    FlipYrWhig

    August 20, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    @fuckwit: It’s important to pass new laws. OTOH, the laws will have loopholes and carve-outs for national security, and then for major crimes, and then we’ll be pretty much back to where we started. Like how there are kinds of speech that can be restricted. There will be kinds of information that can be “surveilled.”

    IMHO the best way to get to substantive reform would be the idea of a public advocate within/before the FISA Court. Maybe make FISA Court appointments have to be approved by a supermajority of the Supreme Court or something so it can’t be purely partisan.

  250. 250.

    FlipYrWhig

    August 20, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    @fuckwit: IOW, there will always be the opportunity for the Oliver North Defense: yes, I broke the law, but for the noble purpose of defending America in a dangerous world, so do your worst.

  251. 251.

    Chris

    August 20, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Made even stronger by eight seasons of Kiefer Sutherland starring as Oliver North.

  252. 252.

    gogol's wife

    August 20, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    @Chris:

    This reminds me of someone here the other day who was saying, just try to tell people in a bar in Europe or Asia that America is the great savior bringing democracy to the world. They’ll laugh in your face!

    Yes, they probably would, and I would never say such a ridiculous thing.

    What I might say is that compared to other countries I have experience with, in particular the Soviet Union and Putin’s Russia, it’s a pretty good place and I feel lucky to have been born here. You’re pretty free to say what you like, you have reasonable social mobility, and my father thought it was good enough to hop on a ship when he was 18 years old and get his butt out of Europe ASAP. Of course, that was Austro-Hungary. But still. I see people like him every day, coming here to breathe a little bit freer and work their tails off.

    And if you think Obama could have been elected the leader of any European country, you’re crazy. Bush II was bad, but we’ve been through bad periods before.

  253. 253.

    MomSense

    August 20, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    @Bostondreams:

    Love that!!

  254. 254.

    Cacti

    August 20, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Information wants to be free…

    Except for when it comes to wikileaks’ finances.

    But, buy an Edward Snowden t-shirt. They promise the proceeds will go to him. ;-)

  255. 255.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    August 20, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Manu Chao – King of the Bongo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJMLJVha5sw – French starts ca. 2:52

  256. 256.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    I’m surprised I haven’t seen any comments on it, but Injustice Scalia is at it again. He’s complaining about the Supreme Court legislating from the bench by creating new classes of minorities who deserve rights. That’s up to Congress. Of course, if Congress actually tries to protect the rights of minorities and votes for it with massive majorities in both houses, Scalia is just fine tossing it out because SHUT UP, that’s why.

  257. 257.

    Bob In Portland

    August 20, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    “Chimchimaree” from “Mary Poppins”. Is that French? Or maybe it’s Spanish, like “Chimichangas”.

  258. 258.

    RN in NYC

    August 20, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Ma Belle Amie by Tee Set, a song I loved when I was um…younger. Great vocals, great organ, give it a listen!!!

    Ma belle amie, I’M IN LOVE WITH YOUUUUUUU

    RN in NYC

  259. 259.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 20, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    @gogol’s wife: I agree with most of what you have said but are there people who actually believe this?

    This reminds me of someone here the other day who was saying, just try to tell people in a bar in Europe or Asia that America is the great savior bringing democracy to the world.

  260. 260.

    Max (from long ago)

    August 20, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Say No More Mon Amour! By Rex Manning.

    Only 32 weeks 6 days until Rex Manning Day. :)

  261. 261.

    DissidentFish

    August 20, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Dancing Shoes by Dan Fogelberg. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfjGAsuSH_Q

    If you are a guy who first picked up a guitar to meet girls — or guys — the romance of this song makes it a good song to know

    me an you
    dance a pas de deux forever

  262. 262.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 20, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    @cleek: People also tend to equate their childhoods as an era of peace and tranquility, when everything was wonderful and they were safe. It probably was for them, but not necessarily for their parents.

  263. 263.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I agree with most of what you have said but are there people who actually believe this?

    Yes, there are, or at least there are people who like to say we are. You know, Reagan saying we’re the shining city of the hill, Bush II saying we’re going to spread democracy, etc. I have no idea if they believe that crap, but they’re perfectly happy to say it.

  264. 264.

    gogol's wife

    August 20, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    A commenter on BJ thinks that those of us on the non-Greenwald side of things believe this. I can’t remember his nym, sorry.

  265. 265.

    gbear

    August 20, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    @cleek: I’ll vote: My #1 concern is successful implementation of Obamacare and having it survive (or improve) beyond 2016. I can guarantee that it will still be my #1 concern in six weeks. This is an extremely selfish desire as I would like to retire well before I turn 66.

    #2 concern is that we avoid tanking the economy again and taking all of our jobs, homes, and savings down with it.

  266. 266.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    @The Red Pen:

    The most likely scenario is for the other person’s private key to be compromised.

    Exactly. Nobody has their 2048 bit key memorized, so they put it on a key ring which is then protected by a password like “password” or “abc123”. That scenario exists even before you consider keyloggers or tempest.

  267. 267.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    I have no idea if they believe

    I can say that after extensive field work in the right-wing fever swamps, they absolutely believe this. It’s what they mean by “American exceptionalism.” Their concept of foreign policy is successfully described by Kipling’s “White Man’s Burden.”

  268. 268.

    Phrase

    August 20, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Le Freak, Chic
    Voulez Vous, Abba

  269. 269.

    gbear

    August 20, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    @Keith G: How many hundreds of years do you plan to live while waiting for this?

  270. 270.

    eemom

    August 20, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    @Keith G:

    I am waiting for the president who has the courage to stop the grotesque spectacle of allowing yet more groups of millionaires to get private tours of the White House and face time with the First or Second Families.

    Not exactly the same thing, but in a similar vein, I hated it when the FLOTUS did the fucking Oscar best picture award because some Hollywood assholes hopped on a jet.

    I also hate it that the Obamas paid thousands of dollars for fucking designer puppies instead of adopting shelter dogs.

    /not a fucking Obot today

  271. 271.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    @eemom:

    I also hate it that the Obamas paid thousands of dollars for fucking designer puppies instead of adopting shelter dogs

    They needed a hypo allergenic dog and went with a known breed.

  272. 272.

    nineone

    August 20, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Who is Glenn Greenwald?

  273. 273.

    ThresherK

    August 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    @MikeJ: “That sounds like the combination some idiot would have on his luggage!”

  274. 274.

    gbear

    August 20, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    @nineone: He’s the guy who can get this thread up to 500 comments. Also, if he asks you to do something foor him, don’t do it.

  275. 275.

    Mustang Bobby

    August 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    @matt: “Old” is relative. For some of us, 1966 wasn’t that long ago.

    But yes, to prove I’m an old fart, the best song with some French lyrics is “Michelle” by the Beatles. In fact, Rubber Soul is one of their best albums.

  276. 276.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    @ThresherK: How many Assholes do we have on this blog?

  277. 277.

    Betty Cracker

    August 20, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I heard a theory recently that the reason many older folks tend to think the world is going to hell in a hand-basket is that they project their personal physical decline on everything around them.

  278. 278.

    The Red Pen

    August 20, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    @MikeJ:

    Exactly. Nobody has their 2048 bit key memorized, so they put it on a key ring which is then protected by a password like “password” or “abc123″. That scenario exists even before you consider keyloggers or tempest.

    Or… you can have your private keys live inside a hardware device that you insert into a reader. The private key operations are done on the device so the private keys are only as vulnerable as access to that device — not your network-attached computer.

    The private keys I use every day are in a smart card. They are protected by a relatively short PIN, but it would be difficult for an attacker to get possession of my card, obtain the keys, and return it to me without me knowing.

  279. 279.

    Beatrice

    August 20, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    RN in NYC: So apparently I can’t reply to your post. FYWP. But thank you for mentioning Ma Belle Amie. I had completely forgotten that one. Loved it too when I was… um… just a wee tyke.

  280. 280.

    Keith G

    August 20, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Ok, now that I fixed my comment:

    @MikeJ:

    They needed a hypo allergenic dog and went with a known breed.

    So did I at age 12. Instead, I got allergy shots so I could keep my german shepherd and my tom cat’

    Then again, no one should rag on their choice of family dog.

  281. 281.

    Athena2

    August 20, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Lady Gaga, Bad Romance.

  282. 282.

    Larkspur

    August 20, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    @MikeJ: And they made a donation to the DC Humane Society at the same time.

  283. 283.

    RN in NYC

    August 20, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    @Beatrice: Beatrice, I’ve been humming it all afternoon. I scanned all the comments to this thread fully expecting to see someone reference the song…and seeing that no one had was both thrilling and sad…

    The youtube video with the awkwardly sweet singer & the fringe jacket guitar player made my day!

    RN in NYC

  284. 284.

    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason

    August 20, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    @raven: Dominique? No way. I’m voting it as the worst one in French.

  285. 285.

    FlipYrWhig

    August 20, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    @MikeJ: everyone’s got one.

  286. 286.

    Forked Tongue

    August 20, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    285 posts and nobody mentioned Roxy Music’s “Song for Europe”?

  287. 287.

    Beckya57

    August 20, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Can’t believe I haven’t seen any Arcade Fire references. “Haiti” is my favorite.

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