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You are here: Home / Politics / Activist Judges! / We didn’t intend for conservatives to interpret “motor voter” as a requirement

We didn’t intend for conservatives to interpret “motor voter” as a requirement

by Kay|  August 20, 201312:09 pm| 74 Comments

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This can’t be right, because conservative lawmakers and judges keep telling us that everyone has a driver’s license, because you need one to “cash a check” or “board an airplane” :

According to a study released this month by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, only 54 percent of Americans have a driver’s license before their 18th birthday. Auto companies are in a panic over teens’ declining interest in their product. The AAA report cites a precipitous “downward trend” in licensing rates among high school seniors, with 85 percent reporting that they had a license in 1996, but only 73 percent reporting that in 2010.
The decline increasingly has implications for voting behavior, as well. At least 22 states have introduced Voter ID laws, according to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University. North Carolina just enacted a whirlwind of vote-suppression tactics that, as Rick Hasen writes here, has already made a mockery of the Supreme Court’s Shelby County v. Holder ruling, which claimed it could curtail the Voting Rights Act without significant impact.
A valid driver’s ID, the standard photo identification issued by states, is accepted for purposes of voting. But as fewer young people obtain driver’s licenses, the routine connection between adulthood and a photo ID is increasingly broken.
The partisan implications are clear: In 2012, President Barack Obama captured 60 percent of votes cast by Americans ages 18 to 29. And when it comes to driver’s licenses, there is a wide disparity between poor and minority teens, who are even more likely to vote Democratic, and wealthy and white teens.
Low-income and minority teens are the least likely to obtain a driver’s license before age 18. Only 25 percent of teens living in households with incomes less than $20,000 obtained their license before they turned 18, while 79 percent of teens were licensed by their eighteenth birthday in households with incomes of $100,000 or more. The findings for licensure by age 18 differed significantly by race and ethnicity, with 67 percent for non-Hispanic white teens, 37 percent for non-Hispanic black teens, and 29 percent for Hispanic teens.

More pesky facts that get in the way of preventing imaginary voter impersonation fraud. Having a license should never have been made a precondition for voting. It’s more ridiculous now, with this trend, but it was always stupid and clueless and blatantly unfair.

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  1. 1.

    gian

    August 20, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Many schools axed driver’s end to focus time for test prep. Hard to get license if not able to pay for private class

  2. 2.

    Chief

    August 20, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    When I go to vote, I must sign my name and the person on the other side of the table compares my current signature with the one on record when I registered to vote. If s/he is satisfied (s/he always has been satisfied) that I am who I say I am, I am given a ballot.

    So simple. So easy.

  3. 3.

    Bruce Lawton

    August 20, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Gopers are killing two birds with this attitude; you must drive and use oil/gas in order to vote. If you are green/ Dem get your bikes off the road and don’t vote. Such great logic.

  4. 4.

    Kay

    August 20, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    @gian:

    Yeah, the income divide is really stark. I knew there was a divide on income (although apparently the US Supreme Court didn’t ) but I didn’t know it was that big. Oh, well. If they wanted to vote they should have picked wealthier parents.

  5. 5.

    TooManyJens

    August 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    @Chief: I’ve literally never even seen anyone try to explain why this isn’t satisfactory evidence that the voter is who she says she is. If you bring it up, they just pretend you don’t exist.

  6. 6.

    hildebrand

    August 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    My 17 year-old son has only the vaguest interest in getting his license (and only then because he wants a motorcycle), and reasons that it may be well into his college years before he gets around to it. With the schools he is looking at for college, he might be able to postpone the need for a license for some time. He is planning on voting next year, so he is checking into the various states’ voting guidelines for those without a driver’s license.

  7. 7.

    srv

    August 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    I just have to throw this in there for the Privatization threads – something I choked on Sunday.

    Let’s say you’re the Metro editor of the liberal Dallas Morning News. Which headline would you use:

    “80% of charter schools meet state education standards”

    or

    “Over twice* as many Charter schools fail to meet state education standards than public schools”

    *(97 schools, 20% versus 9%. Buried halfway in article)

    Jesus wept.

  8. 8.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    @Chief:
    When I go to vote, the person checking the signature lives in the same building I do and recognizes me by sight. I guess this is an advantage well off people have of living in the same place for long enough that the people at the precinct can recognize you.

  9. 9.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    It’s more ridiculous now, with this trend, but it was always stupid and clueless and blatantly unfair.

    Feature, not bug, when your goal is to take steps to prevent the “wrong” people from voting for the “wrong” candidates (those without an R behind their names)>

  10. 10.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    @Kay:

    Oh, well. If they wanted to vote they should have picked wealthier parents.

    This seems to be the standard line of thought for a great many things. Just borrow the money for school, or a business startup, or whatever, from your parents. Or, in the alternative, cash out some of your stock portfolio. Simple!

  11. 11.

    beltane

    August 20, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    My 16 year old has no interest in driving, though he did take drivers’ ed, and plans on living somewhere where owning a car is not a necessity. This is good, because putting him on our insurance would force us to make sacrifices elsewhere.

  12. 12.

    Kay

    August 20, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    @srv:

    It’s all of them. This is Bob Somerby on Keller in the NYTimes:

    “After decades of embarrassing decline in K-12 education?” Which decades is Keller talking about?
    There is, of course, no perfect way to measure educational attainment. But it’s astounding to see a person like Keller making a statement like that without any apparent sense that it needs explaining.
    Every journalist at Keller’s paper—and he was in charge of the paper through 2011—cites the National Assessment of Educational Progress (the NAEP) as the “gold standard” of educational testing. But the NAEP shows very large gains in reading and math over the last several decades. As a general matter, American students have shown similar progress on international tests, although the NAEP goes back farther. (It dates to 1971.)
    We’ve often said this about the NAEP: Everybody praises the NAEP, and no one ever reports what the NAEP data show. Meanwhile, every hack and his low-IQ uncle has spent the last X numbers of years moaning about the alleged decline in our public schools—even though NAEP data, which everyone swears by, seem to show precisely the opposite.
    Bill Keller was executive editor of the Times until September 2011! Concerning this basic part of American life, he seems to have no idea what he’s talking about.

    The nations biggest media companies flat-out lie about public schools, constantly. In a way, it’s a kind of libel. One would think they would at least want to give the children who are taking the tests credit. No! The narrative must be obeyed!

    Kevin Drum tells the truth about test scores too. I don’t know why he hasn’t been fired.

  13. 13.

    pseudonymous in nc

    August 20, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Let’s step back and think about what “ID” actually is. In living memory, across large parts of the US, you identified yourself through having people who knew you and could vouch for you. Formal identity documents are a kind of vouching that happens when you can’t say “ask the lady who manages the post office, she’s known me since I was a child.”

    The US has a set of kludges instead of ID: it has the SSN, which is not an identification number but used as a UUID; it has the state drivers license, which demonstrates your competence to drive, but is used as an ID document.

    If you’re truly serious about ID, especially for elections, then it needs to be federal, free, paid by taxes, and attached to a database that gets updated whenever you move. That database is freely offered to the states for its use. This is what Canada does (although Canada doesn’t have a federal ID, or a voter ID requirement).

    It also needs to come with a huge investment in cleaning up all the crappy vital records data going back to the days when people didn’t get birth certificates because they were born at home and/or were black, or those records got lost at the county courthouse, or got mis-transcribed when the state moved its records from county seats to a central registry.

    If you think that states can run their own ID systems and track free movement across state lines, then you’re not a serious person, and your motivations are suspect.

  14. 14.

    David in NY

    August 20, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Neither of my sons (ages 28 and 25) drives. One lives in Minneapolis and had bicycle until it was stolen recently. The other lives in Brooklyn and takes the subway or rides a bike-share bike.

  15. 15.

    TooManyJens

    August 20, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Look at it this way: people who don’t have drivers’ licenses probably either live in cities or are hippie types who ride bicycles, or both. Either way, they’re un-American and shouldn’t be voting anyway. Real Americans ™ drive, damn it!

  16. 16.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    @Kay:

    Kevin Drum tells the truth about test scores too. I don’t know why he hasn’t been fired.

    Kevin Drum does not work for either of the Pravdas…on the Hudson or on the Potomac.

    Otherwise, he would have been fired.

  17. 17.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    August 20, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    What exactly makes a state DL sacrosanct? When I went to get my driver’s license renewed a few years ago, I couldn’t find my birth certificate so I drove to the state capital, stood in line for an hour and showed them my expired driver’s license as proof of who I am whereupon they printed a birth certificate that allowed me to renew my driver’s license at DMV. Anyone notice anything circular about this?

  18. 18.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    @Roger Moore: When I go to vote I raise the red flag on my mailbox so the letter carrier knows to pick it up.

  19. 19.

    boatboy_srq

    August 20, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    @gian: IOW, “education reform” falls neatly under the “no voter fraud” umbrella. Very convenient.

  20. 20.

    Kay

    August 20, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    You will never, ever read this in the NYTimes or WaPo:

    Politics is politics, but the rest of us don’t really need to pay any attention to this. Nor do we have to pay attention to New York’s own testing, which may or may not be afflicted by dumbed-down tests that are about to get dumbed back up. Nor do we have to guess. Instead, we can just look at TUDA, the subset of the national NAEP test aimed at urban districts. New York City has participated in TUDA for Bloomberg’s entire mayoralty, and the basic results are below:
    New York City’s test scores have increased over the past decade, but they’ve increased less than in most other big cities (2 points vs. 6 in reading, 6 points vs. 12 in math). On the 4th grade test, New York City has done about the same as other big cities. This isn’t a massive failure, but it doesn’t look like any kind of outsized success either.

    I love that they’re supposedly “data-driven.” Except, no comparing year over year or between cities!

  21. 21.

    stratplayer

    August 20, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Why aren’t there more Democrats all over the country introducing bills to make obtaining identification for voters easy, convenient and free, and daring the Republicans to oppose them? This should be a huge part of the pushback and I don’t understand why there isn’t an ongoing, unrelenting effort to put the Republicans on the defensive for a change.

  22. 22.

    MikeJ

    August 20, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    If you’re truly serious about ID, especially for elections, then it needs to be federal, free, paid by taxes, and attached to a database that gets updated whenever you move. That database is freely offered to the states for its use.

    Number of the beast! Antichrist 666!

  23. 23.

    Quaker in a Basement

    August 20, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    More pesky facts that get in the way of preventing imaginary voter impersonation fraud.

    Just because conservatives pretend this is their aim doesn’t mean we have to play along. Preventing young minority citizens from voting is plainly not a flaw in their plan.

  24. 24.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    1) Inner city kids are the ones least likely to get a license, so them losing the ability to vote is an absolute feature to the GOP.
    2) While test scores have been climbing, the ability to do open-ended problem solving is clearly declining. Turns out that teaching kids to cram doesn’t necessarily teach them to think. So both statements can be true, but they can’t be from someone who pimped NCLB as both the measure of the problem and the remedy to it. Anyone outside of the school reform movement knows that test scores and actual learning are only loosely correlated – that the former is something of a prerequisite for the latter, but in no way a measure of it, and certainly not a substitute for it.

  25. 25.

    ? Martin

    August 20, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    @stratplayer:

    Why aren’t there more Democrats all over the country introducing bills to make obtaining identification for voters easy, convenient and free, and daring the Republicans to oppose them?

    They are. And the GOP are killing them in committee because they control the state legislatures. As a result, you don’t hear about the bills and the GOP doesn’t get punished for opposing it

  26. 26.

    hildebrand

    August 20, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    We only own one car. We paid it off last year, and really aren’t thrilled with either the thought of taking on a new car payment (neither my wife nor I have received a raise in four years), or the ugliness of car insurance rates with a 17 year-old male on the policy. So, a one car family we remain. We carpool, even though in South Texas that is not the easiest of things to do (thankfully, our places of employment aren’t that far away from each other), and we have rather learned that adding another car would rob us of another opportunity to hang out together as a family (which we all love to do – we are the kind of family that sits and gabs for an hour or more after supper each night).

    I teach Study Abroad classes during the summer, and our travels to Europe have also diminished my son’s enthusiasm for driving – he would rather use public transportation. I sometimes think that he is narrowing down his choice of colleges based on how good the public transportation is in a given city.

  27. 27.

    piratedan

    August 20, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    @stratplayer: because, most likely, they can propose, but if it never gets out of committee and then it never reaches the floor, it’s as if it never existed. I’m sure that they’re trying, but when you have the majority, it doesn’t mean that you have to give the other side a voice unless you sway one of the corporate minions or teahadist tools…. and to that I say, good luck with that.

  28. 28.

    rikyrah

    August 20, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    BAM!!

    Keep ’em coming, Kay.

    …………………..

    personal aside

    I was never one of those folks who was dying to learn how to drive.

    I didn’t learn until I finished college

    I’m an urban dweller who didn’t need a car until the first job.

  29. 29.

    Lurking Canadian

    August 20, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    @Roger Moore: You guys are talking like ACORN doesn’t have an army of ten million skilled forgets all across the country, just waiting to exploit that loophole.

  30. 30.

    Lurking Canadian

    August 20, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    @? Martin: This.

    If there is a clearer-cut case of looking for your dropped keys under the lamppost than standardized testing, I don’t know what it is.

    “data driven” is only meaningful if the variables you want to measure are observable from the variables you are measuring. Nobody in Ed reform seems o care about that part.

  31. 31.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    @Kay:

    They’re “data driven” in a buffet sort of way. “I”ll have some of the tiger shrimp, and some of the cocktail weenies, but none of those clams over there, that look bad”.

  32. 32.

    Yatsuno

    August 20, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    @Chief: My voting process:

    1) Get ballot in mail.

    2) Fill out ballot.

    3) Drop ballot in mail or at drop-off centre.

    And it works.

  33. 33.

    Gene108

    August 20, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    @Kay:

    Would like to add about the kids these days is the horrific drop in the crime rates.

    You figure in our tough economic times they could take to some petty looting and general hooliganism, instead of spending all their time sending pics on Instagram or Pintrest or Tumblr for their friends to see.

    In the good old days, if you wanted to be cool you had to egg someone’s house and not just send the latest LOLcats photo to your friends.

  34. 34.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Neither was I. I didn’t need to drive (even though I took driver’s ed and had a learners permit as soon as I could) so I never bothered to get licensed until after college. I didn’t see a reason to jack up my parent’s auto insurance premiums. My sister and brother, OTOH, could not WAIT to do that. My sister even went nuts and devoted every dime of her part time job to buying a car. Just to avoid having to walk some places, or ride a bike.

  35. 35.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    @? Martin:

    Turns out that teaching kids to cram doesn’t necessarily teach them to think.

    Once again, feature, not bug.

  36. 36.

    danimal

    August 20, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    It’s time to create a movement for a true national ID card. We can use the voting rights debacle as a motivating purpose. The real reason to support a national ID card, though, is that it flushes out the crazy fundamentalists who associate national ID cards with the mark of the anti-Christ.

  37. 37.

    burnspbesq

    August 20, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    @srv:

    So, you concede that the headline is factually accurate. The basis for your beef is that it’s not spun to your liking.

    Short of buying the company, I’d say you’re probably SOL.

    And for the record, Jesus did not weep.

  38. 38.

    hoodie

    August 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    So if GM, Ford and Chrysler sponsor a “Discover the Joy of Driving” campaign and sponsor driver’s ed for high school juniors across the US, will the GOP accuse them of encouraging voter fraud?

  39. 39.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    And for the record, Jesus did not weep.

    Only if you’re arguing that Jesus didn’t exist.

    If so, then proceed.

  40. 40.

    burnspbesq

    August 20, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Drum works for the Izvestia of the Old Left, Mother Jones. He would have to deviate from the party line in the other direction in order to face the axe. But if he did so, he would surely face the axe. At the end of the day, the Izvestia of the Old Left is a commercial enterprise, and if enough of its readers were to start bitching about Drum, it would take whatever action it deemed necessary to protect its brand and franchise.

  41. 41.

    hildebrand

    August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    @danimal: A national ID card makes so much sense. The problem is that every last quasi-libertarian will join the frothing right-wing crowd to shout down such an evident scheme to formalize totalitarianism. You think they all scream about King Obama now? Yeesh.

  42. 42.

    NorthLeft12

    August 20, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    “Supreme Court’s Shelby County v. Holder ruling, which claimed it could curtail the Voting Rights Act without significant impact.”

    According to the current supreme court, this statement is still true. There has been no voting yet, and when there is they would dispute that the changes they have allowed “significantly” impacted the results.
    Amirite?

  43. 43.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    It also needs to come with a huge investment in cleaning up all the crappy vital records data

    Yeah, like that’s going to happen. Huge investments in anything that aren’t obvious sources of grift just aren’t going to happen. Not to mention that the black helicopter crowd isn’t going to go for any kind of national ID database. They want Those People to have to produce ID on demand, but not to have ID readily available. It gives them one more reason to harass people.

  44. 44.

    burnspbesq

    August 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    Only if you’re arguing that Jesus didn’t exist.

    Not my argument at all. If you wish to make that argument, knock yourself out. Your attempt to suppress the opinions of people of faith are duly noted.

  45. 45.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    @Kay:

    I love that they’re supposedly “data-driven.” Except, no comparing year over year or between cities!

    I think it’s more along the line of accountability being for little people. I guess facts and data are for little people, too.

  46. 46.

    stratplayer

    August 20, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    @? Martin: Then they need to take their case to the public. Democrats have got to force Republican hands on this issue or it’s lost.

  47. 47.

    burnspbesq

    August 20, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    @NorthLeft12:

    Shelby County was wrongly decided, to be sure, but it’s premature to say that effective enforcement of the Voting Rights Act is a thing of the past. Why don’t we wait and see how the pending litigation in Texas and North Carolina pans out before we make that call.

  48. 48.

    rodnchance

    August 20, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    @TooManyJens: In Texas a student ID cannot be used as identification to vote but…a concealed carry permit is just okey dokey.
    My suggestion is for all the disenfranchised students, democrats, and ethnic minorities apply for CC permits to use as ID. A person would not have to actually even own a weapon to get the permit. I have to wonder how freaked out the republicans, tea baggers, elected officials and other ignorant people would react to millions of liberals, democrats and other minorities applying for that permit.

  49. 49.

    jeannedalbret

    August 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Source?http://biblehub.com/john/11-35.htm
    “New International Version:Jesus wept.
    New Living Translation:Then Jesus wept.
    English Standard Version:Jesus wept.
    New American Standard Bible:Jesus wept.
    King James Bible:Jesus wept.
    Holman Christian Standard Bible:Jesus wept.
    International Standard Version:Jesus burst into tears.
    NET Bible:Jesus wept.
    Aramaic Bible in Plain English:And the tears of Yeshua were coming.
    GOD’S WORD® Translation:Jesus cried.
    King James 2000 Bible:Jesus wept.
    American King James Version:Jesus wept.
    American Standard Version:Jesus wept.
    Douay-Rheims Bible:And Jesus wept.
    Darby Bible Translation:Jesus wept.
    English Revised Version:Jesus wept.
    Webster’s Bible Translation:Jesus wept.
    Weymouth New Testament:Jesus wept.
    World English Bible:Jesus wept.
    Young’s Literal Translation:Jesus wept.

  50. 50.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 20, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    this from the guy who collaborates with those who cover up for child molestors.

  51. 51.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 20, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    @burnspbesq: Actually, I was pointing out a failure of logic on your part.

    If we grant the assumption that Jesus existed, then, by the testimony of the only documents we have concerning Him, He did indeed weep.

    To suggest that He didn’t weep is to suggest that that document is in doubt, and therefore His existence is in doubt.

  52. 52.

    pseudonymous in nc

    August 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    And it works.

    You’ll grant that African-Americans old enough to remember a time when they weren’t guaranteed the right to vote might sentimentally prefer casting their votes in person, right? Of course, in the modern era, there’s still a degree of trust that what goes into the voting machine shows up on the results, but it’s considered less problematic than a postal vote.

  53. 53.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    @stratplayer:

    Why aren’t there more Democrats all over the country introducing bills to make obtaining identification for voters easy, convenient and free, and daring the Republicans to oppose them?

    Because it’s playing into the Republicans’ hands by accepting the idea that voter ID is a valid solution to a real problem. You can’t support providing everyone with a voter ID and then turn around and oppose requiring one when it comes time to vote. But the Republicans’ capability for strategic incompetence is not to be underestimated. Once you make the bargain of free ID for everyone in exchange for requiring ID to vote, the Republicans will screw up the free ID part while vigorously enforcing the ID required to vote part. They’ll use every imaginable dirty trick to prevent the wrong people from getting IDs, and they have a remarkable imagination for dirty tricks.

  54. 54.

    pseudonymous in nc

    August 20, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    @rodnchance:

    My suggestion is for all the disenfranchised students, democrats, and ethnic minorities apply for CC permits to use as ID.

    $140 in Texas. And you need a valid DL or ID to apply. Though I’m sure you could come up with a “Packing The Vote” non-profit that covers the cost.

    The argument about CC permits is that they are issued by the gubmint and require a valid ID to receive one. Now, you can say the same about student IDs from state colleges, but the abstract point is that certain identity documents are considered “foundational” and anything that proceeds from them carries the same validity. That’s fine enough until you consider that plenty of Americans don’t have those foundational documents and many more don’t have easy access to them.

    Once again, though, it comes down to the fact that large sections of the US have no tradition of free and fair elections, and have no intention of establishing one.

  55. 55.

    PIGL

    August 20, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    @burnspbesq: I don’t wish to suppress them.—in this instance. Only to mock them with mockery they deserve. What kind plantlife would make an issue out of whether a historical Jesus did or did not weep?

    Jeez Louise, what a maroon.

  56. 56.

    cckids

    August 20, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    “You need a DL to cash a check” say the Repubs.

    And the kids lolol, with their direct deposit & smart phone apps that do the picture-deposit & Paypal, etc.

    Checks. As if they trot down to the bank in person.

  57. 57.

    Geoduck

    August 20, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    My state at least (Washington) offers ID cards for non-drivers like me. Still have to pay for it, but it’s much cheaper than a license. Though we also have all mail-in voting, so I only need it in the store and bank.

  58. 58.

    boatboy_srq

    August 20, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc: it isn’t even a state-to-state problem. Mum was born in a place where, several years later, the county courthouse (and sole records repository) burned, taking all its documents with it. The state issues replacement documents along with an official state document explaining the variance between the date of issuance and the date described in the replacement document. Correct, valid and verifiable – but insufficient for State Dept to issue a passport.

    BTW I jumped through the Real ID hoops a few years ago – and lo and behold the state I moved to doesn’t recognize that (even though they’re supposed to according to the provisions of Real ID).

  59. 59.

    gene108

    August 20, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    But the Republicans’ capability for strategic incompetence is not to be underestimated.

    There are a lot of stupid hacks in the Republican party, but there are enough evil geniuses to still make them dangerous, which is what happened in 2010, where local rich guys could put money into down ticket races that no one ever paid attention to and flip state legislatures.

    It helps Republicans a whole lot that the SCOTUS seems to be willing to work hand-in-glove to advance the right-wing agenda, though Roberts, for whatever reason, dropped the ball for Team GOP with his Obamacare vote.

  60. 60.

    gene108

    August 20, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    @gene108:

    Just tying this back to younger voters.

    Younger voters may not identify with Republicans much, but the gridlock and lack of any discernible progress on issues that matter to them – jobs, affordable education, etc. – makes the ones I’ve met either suspicious of Democratic intentions or not really supporting Democrats and tuning out of politics.

    The damage from 2010 (and the Jan 20, 2009 decision by Republicans to obstruct all things done by Democrats) does not just revolve around policy; it infects the political spirit of Americans. We may well run into the sort of malaise and distrust of government that gripped American political thought for more than a generation after Watergate.

  61. 61.

    wenchacha

    August 20, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    I await the day that Republican locals all over the country spread out in a door-to-door outreach to register new voters.

    Was it Ohio or PA that workers were instructed not to tell people the IDs were free unless they asked? Otherwise, they were to collect a fee.

    In the short term, they have in their favor that cynical would-be voters will just opt out of the political process altogether. Will any viable candidate ever represent my best interests, ever? I don’t want wars, or drones, or Big Brother, and I will be freakin’ lucky if all the next President supports is Total Information Awareness, or whatnot.

  62. 62.

    Kathleen Larkin

    August 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Not that the GOP would allow it but a simple patch up would be to have everyone who graduates high school and does not want to drive be given the paperwork for a state ID.
    I know their are big flaws in this idea such as there isn’t an impetus to renew and most dropouts fall into the low income and minority groups but it would be a start.

  63. 63.

    JustRuss

    August 20, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    When I went to school, driver’s ed was offered as part of the high school curriculum. Now, you take it outside of normal school hours and pay extra. In many states, driver’s ed is required to get your license before you’re 18.

    And for some reason, only 25% of poor kids have a license now. Gee, go figure.

  64. 64.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    @JustRuss:

    When I was a kid, drivers ed was offered in the local schools, but you had to pay an extra fee to take it. Then the schools had a huge funding crisis, and they simultaneously stopped offering drivers ed at all and gave up on offering school bus service to juniors and seniors, who were all assumed to be licensed drivers and capable of driving themselves to school. No discrimination against poor people there, no siree.

  65. 65.

    Ahh says fywp

    August 20, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    @hildebrand: They scream because they will get busted for voting in every state they own a house.

  66. 66.

    Suffern ACE

    August 20, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Checks. How quaint.

  67. 67.

    Ben Cisco

    August 20, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Early voting for NC primary races starts Thursday.

    If you want the NeoConfederates out of the statehouse, now’s the time to start.

  68. 68.

    boatboy_srq

    August 20, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    @cckids:

    Checks. As if they trot down to the bank in person.

    Just shows how out-of-touch the Teahad is. Their owners big banks have been pushing this “more automation equals fewer expensive branches and tellers more customer convenience” direction for over three decades, to the point of penalizing customers for walking into a branch and selling electronic-only accounts. Yet these quaint Teavolk think that there’s some need for it. It really puts them into the Luddite camp: all this newfangled technology is bad for employment because all those hardworking blacksmiths / scribes / secretaries / buggy-whip-makers / bank-tellers / whatever will now be without work. Yet they’re the same ones who shout at people-just-doing-their-jobs “Don’t-you-KNOW-who-I-am-and-I’m-going-to-get-you-SO-fired-for-this” anytime they get reminded of The Rules. I still say they’re all just pining for the 9th century if only they could take their iPads back with them.

  69. 69.

    Shakezula

    August 20, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    People should be thrown into scorpion pits until they can explain the difference between boarding a plane and voting.

  70. 70.

    The Other Chuck

    August 20, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    When cashing a check becomes a CONSTITUTIONAL FUCKING RIGHT, then it becomes incumbent on the government or the banks to provide me an ID free of charge, on demand, immediately, without delay, obstacle, or error.

    Really, second amendment remedies start looking very tempting.

  71. 71.

    fuckwit

    August 20, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Cars cost money. Insurance costs money. Car repairs and maintenance costs money. Driver’s ed costs money (now, used to be free). Gas is, here at least, $4/gallon– it was under $1/gal when I got my license, and even then I just barely had enough change in my piggybank to fill the damn thing up. Kids today face a much tougher economic climate.

    This is the new normal. Kids, especially poor kids, don’t see driving as a viable economic model. They have to make do with the bus, walking, biking, and of course online interaction replacing much of the kind of in-person interaction that requires travel.

    Back in the day, motor voter was great way for getting more people to vote, but not so much anymore. Now it’s a way to disenfranchise poor people, especially poor young people.

  72. 72.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 21, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Since you need a photo ID to board an airplane, any American who can afford to travel by air on a regular basis should have no trouble voting! And they’re the ones who matter, right?

  73. 73.

    Original Lee

    August 21, 2013 at 2:21 am

    Maryland has changed the young driver requirements so that the earliest most kids can get their driver’s license is at 17.5 years old, so most of the high school students in our area wait until they turn 18 to get their licenses. Original Daughter has no interest in getting her license – she has too much other stuff going on in her life, she says.

    Maryland is awesome in that there is an online voter registration system. No matter how you apply to register, the state requires one of the following three things to register to vote:
    1. Valid Maryland driver’s license; or
    2. Valid MVA ID Card; or
    3. Social Security number.

    If you supply the SSN, you have to affirm that you do not posses either (1) or (2). What’s interesting is, in order to get an MVA ID Card, you have to present proof of identity, proof of SSN, and proof of Maryland residency, which list includes a voter registration card, so it seems a little circular to me.

    So I guess next spring we’ll just trundle over to the MVA to get an ID Card for the kid.

  74. 74.

    Nancy Irving

    August 21, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Who cashes a check these days? I doubt my local supermarket would cash a check for me, even though they know me and I have a DL.

    I haven’t cashed a check in decades. Don’t most people use their ATM cards?

    The GOP as usual seems to be living in the 1950s.

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