Liz and Dick Cheney made a joint appearance in Wyoming and, well, God Bless the NSA:
The Cheneys agreed that National Security Agency surveillance programs are in the best interests of national security, but said that a change in leadership is necessary for the country’s safety.
“The NSA is a well-run program,” Dick Cheney said, as quoted by the Pilot & Today. “It’s an important program […]”
Dick said this about the same time that multiple media outlets, including the WSJ, were reporting on NSA agents’ use of their spy apparatus to track love interests (LOVEINT in spy-talk).
Meanwhile, even though she’s paid her fine, Liz is still trying to blame the clerk at the store where she bought her fishing license:
“When I went in to purchase a license, the clerk asked if I was a resident. I said yes because I was living in Wyoming,” Cheney said in a statement this week.
She said she didn’t realize there was a 365-day requirement, and blamed the store clerk for not asking how long she had lived in the state. […]
If these two were superheroes, their name would be the “Finger Pointers”, their costume would include giant foam fingers, and their superpower would be to always show that someone else is to blame for their problems.
Too many checks and balances imposed by the current administration for Cheney’s taste.
Were he and his daughter greeted as liberators with flowers?
Love the title. The ingenue with the gibbering drunk.
I’m surprised he didn’t come right out and say how the FISA courts are undermining national security and why warrantless information gathering is better for all of us.
Cheney & Co. have a very contemptuous view of everyone, who does not think like them; at some point you cannot keep that much arrogance in check publicly.
c u n d gulag
Being Super-villains, they could never be Super-heroes.
OT – does Liz have a “woman-sized” safe?
@debbie: Well, defense contractors threw confetti made out of $100 bills at them. Does that count?
NSA agents’ use of their spy apparatus to track love interests
“Track”? Shirley you mean “stalk”.
Of course, if she really were a Wyoming resident, and really fished and hunted there she’d know the rules. There are a lot of rules! What you can take, when, how many, how big.
Hilarity. Check out the “select a species” drop down at WY fish and game:
Disable Resident Veteran
Government gone amuck. No limit and no cost on hunting those veterinarians down (I guess a disabled vet is a useless vet in Wyoming, unable to treat your cattle or hunting dogs) but you still have to get a permit.
Clearly, this outrage just supports the bureaucracy at the expense of other permit holders.
There are number of screwy quotes from Darth that suggest chronic illness and multiple open hearts have taken a cognitive toll.
In all fairness, if I had been asked the same residency question I wouldn’t have thought to give a different answer. Calling that “finger pointing” seems awfully petty.
I’m very upset with you for making me defend Liz Ch*ney.
So is this something commonplace and accepted within the NSA, or are we talking about an activity carried about by at most a handful of agents in a given year and for which they face severe consequences when discovered?
@jayackroyd: It’s OK; under WY code, Cheneys are classified as varmints, and you don’t need a permit to hunt one.
When you’re running for office, every public appearance is kind of like an job interview. Bringing your dad along for a job interview, especially for one in the same field of endeavor, is really lame.
@dmsilev: I’m pretty sure you’re restricted to birdshot in the face when taking your Cheney.
@Time Travelin: The drop down should say “license” of course.
I’ve known some people in various state governments. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find this is the work of some jolly joker in Cheyenne.
@Bobby Thomson: Having lived in Wyoming, I can tell you that a politician not knowing the residency requirements for a fishing license is like a Mormon not knowing the number of wives Joseph Smith has, or a Catholic not knowing the names of the last 3 popes.
Some superheroes have invisibility. Others won’t disappear even when we desparately want them to.
@Bobby Thomson: If you wanna get all picky:
Hunting and fishing in Wyoming is a privilege granted by state law. The Wyoming Legislature has established the residency requirements and fees for hunting and fishing licenses. Wyoming, like all other states, has different fees for residents and nonresidents. Wyoming statutes and Game and Fish Commission regulations have been enacted to ensure that only bona fide Wyoming residents are issued resident hunting, fishing, trapping licenses, and preference points.
It is the person’s responsibility to determine his or her individual residency status prior to applying for or purchasing a resident license. It is not the license agent’s responsibility to determine or verify residency status. If in doubt about your residency status, please contact your local Wyoming Game and Fish Department enforcement personnel.
Nitpick, but Liz Cheney has as of yet paid no fine. She posted a bond as a guarantee of her appearance at a hearing.
@mistermix: If true, wouldn’t that make her seem like even more of a carpetbagger for not knowing the rule?
You may be right, but I’m not buying it.
Oh that fishing permit. Now I didn’t think ignorance of the law was an excuse that worked. I’ve kind of thought that whole phrase is a little bit of a problem. I mean sure I know I can’t break into a store or rob a bank, but there are a lot of laws I bet I got no clue about.
But then again my father wasn’t VP of the United States. I am not rich. I am not a lawyer. And of course I am not gearing up to run for the US Senate.
You know you’d think she’d know these things.
But I guess maybe the rules and laws that apply to you and me don’t apply to the Cheneys.
I don’t buy it. She’s a lawyer and she was considering a run for office. If there’s one thing she knows, it’s that “residency” has a specific meaning. So heartening that she started her “independent” political career with a dumb, cowardly lie.
@jayackroyd: Fine, but that just means that Wyoming is nit picky and sets traps for the unwary.
@Bobby Thomson: Yes. It’s makes her even more of a carpetbagger.
Like I said, there are a lot of rules. Hunters and anglers know them.
In particular there’s gonna be a big fuss over residency requirements in a state where tourists come in for week-long hunts. Guiding companies are gonna want to keep fees low for non-residents. Resident citizens are gonna wanna gouge the dudes, or at least deter them from coming.
(I’m typing this in Rockefeller center, where antitourist sentiment runs high. Tourist would definitely be on our species list if we were allowed licenses here in the urban hellhole.)
@Bobby Thomson: if you think that’s nit-picky, you should look at college residency requirements sometime
@Kay: That is exactly it. Folks that know her have said she has been planning this run for years. She is doing everything she can to get her “ducks in a row.” Buying a home and establishing residency. Gets a fishing license. Doing everything to show she is a true blooded Wyomingite (yes I had to Google that).
Either she lied or both her and her advisors are stupid. So I guess there might be a third option, she thinks the folks that are going to vote for her are so stupid they would miss this.
@mistermix: Maybe not the best analogy: as far as I can tell nobody knows the number of wives Joseph Smith had, and it’s a matter of great controversy.
@Kay: In my experience, when there are specific time requirements for things such as voting, in-state tuition, etc., the state publicizes them. I’m not disputing that this is strict liability. I’m disputing whether Wyoming hiding the ball is really all that reasonable.
For those following at home, the WY residency page for fish and game licenses.
The other Liz & Dick were so much better.
Interesting that given how much flak the right wing gave Hillary Clinton for her “Hillary Rodham Clinton” days, yet they don’t make even a peep about Liz sticking with “Cheney”.
@sm*t cl*de: stop calling me Shirley
The Red Pen
I thought it was interesting that when Dick Cheney was the vice-presidential candidate, he did not qualify as a WY resident. That means he would have been a Texas resident and ineligible for the ballot under the 12th Amendment. The case was tried, but failed in Federal district court — I’m not sure why. Cheney had been a long-time resident of WY prior to living in Texas, so… well, it doesn’t matter now.
Edit: It was dismissed on standing. Gore should have sued.
The differences are non trivial:
@jayackroyd: I live in a rural part of a state where hunting and fishing are a way of life. I am not a hunter nor fisherman myself, but my state is totally anal about licenses.
Also what can be hunted when and with what. What fish you can and can’t keep. What methods are allowed.
The folks I know that hunt and fish know the rules like the back of their hands. There is no confusion. People might not like these rules, but the follow them if not respect them. You just don’t want to get caught with a deer out of season or a small mouth bass that is too small.
The fines will break the bank!
See, that’s just it. That’s obviously what the regulation is designed to prohibit – a summer tourist claiming residence. If I weren’t that, I would assume they weren’t talking about me.
Indeed. Look at the website. It’s HUGE DEAL that Liz doesn’t know the residency rules for hunting.
Side note: anybody think that Liz actually knows which end of a fishing pole is up? Anybody think she would actually use one for any longer than the duration of the photo op?
It’s an internecine parallel to Lady MacBeth’s “Out, damn’d spot.” Just cannot be eradicated.
The last line of the ‘spot’ dialogue: “Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?”
WTF? Are you serious? They have fucking lotteries for the right to take a bighorn.
They have different odds for residents versus non residents.
Hunting is big fucking deal. Residents get very different treatment.
@Bobby Thomson: How does that absolve Liz Cheney of the fact that her chief complaint is that the cashier at the Bass Pro Shop should have explained to her the legal standard for residency to receive the permit? Particularly when the law clearly states it is her own duty to do so? Liz Cheney should blame the law, not the cashier. But she politically doesn’t want to do the former and probably feels more comfortable doing the latter.
Shorter version: TABMITWH.
It’s never the Conservatist’s fault when the rules get broken.
@jayackroyd: D’you notice that such “hilarity” is popular among the Reichwing? They may well issue actual licenses to hunt Commissioners and veterans (as “humor” of course). Slightly OT, but there’s a hobby supply outfit that among its other offerings sells “roadkill” for model layouts (trains, dioramas etc): options include deer, bear, lawyer, feminist….
@jayackroyd: And if there were such an open and notorious disclosure in the bait shop where she actually purchased the fishing license (which she didn’t buy on the website), I would agree that it was deliberate. She suggests there wasn’t. Maybe she’s lying, or lying by omission. But if she’s not, it doesn’t seem like an unreasonable complaint. If it were anyone else, I would probably feel bad for her.
Any way, this is pretty stupid shit. There are people trying to get us into Syria with 2003esque bullshit. That’s much more deserving of scorn and derision.
That clerk in Wyoming should have felt the power of her Cheney-rays and bowed down.
@jayackroyd: Are you serious? We’re not talking about a bighorn license.
Hence the decal entry.
And the Vet. Sheesh.
It’s probably just an oversight–nobody noticed that the drop down label doesn’t make sense. But if it were a joke, it wouldn’t be a neo-Nazi state employee. More likely a squishy liberal making fun of the hunters. IME anyway.
I don’t disagree. And I wish I could just enjoy the schadenfreude.
I suppose it was a lot of wives, but maybe not as many as Brigham Young and Bringem Fast
@NotMax: Any by “interesting”, I really meant “she’s obviously running on her family name rather than trying to make her bones on her own merits.”
@Bobby Thomson: We’re talking about residency requirements for fish and game licenses in a state where these are very important rules that everybody knows.
It’s like here in the urban hellhole. Everybody with a car knows the alternate side parking rules.
Where are you from, Bobby? Maybe I can come up with an example.
@jayackroyd: I got hooked on the TV show Mountain Men. Features folks from NC, Alaska, and Montana. I had no idea out West there were lotteries and even tags that limit this or that, which can almost be passed down through generations. That you can sell and/or transfer them like a personal seat license for a pro sports team. For bears. Bighorns. Buffalo. Elk. You name it.
But when you think about it, well it makes total sense. That you need to cull the numbers so they can prosper and reproduce, without over growing/taxing their natural ranges.
From a wildlife management point-of-view it makes total sense. But that is just my two cents.
Does anyone else find it kind of troubling that the residency requirement for a Senate run is far, far less time than for a fishing license? Seems like if she can’t get a resident’s fishing license she shouldn’t be able to run for Senate. Fuck her, I hope the people of Wyoming vote against her in such numbers that she gets blown into oblivion.
Seconded. Joseph Smith was a lot more cloak and dagger about it that Brigham Young, so the exact number will probably never be known.
@MattF: You can tell a story that supports Bobby Thomson’s view that has the clerk snickering as he or she writes it up
“So you are a resident ma’am?”
“OK then. As you say.”
I can picture a Bert and I story like that….
@Tommy: I agree that it makes sense. The resource has to be managed sustainably if it’s gonna last even a generation.
The opposite problem we have here in the northeast of exploding game populations–Canada geese, deer, turkeys is a different kind of challenge.
Probably reflects the views of the electorate pretty accurately. The bigger problem is WY having two senators in the first place.
@Bobby Thomson: Of course I have no way to prove this, just a hunch, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the clerk actually did ask her how long she had lived in the state, and Liz lied. I mean, misspoke. I mean, was taken out of context. I mean, is totally being smeared by the lefty media establishment.
unfortunately most of the members of the Senate, Dems included, consider that a feature and not a bug.
@jayackroyd: In Southern IL our deer and wild pig/boar problem is staggering. I literally know folks that won’t drive at night on a rural road for fear of hitting a deer.
But with that said I don’t feel remotely sorry for somebody that doesn’t understand the law. At least in my state, where they selling hunting and fishing licenses they have free booklets at the check out, that outlines everything you need to know and more. Also huge posters with the “basics.”
Oh and there is this thing called the Internet :).
Things look to be going from bad to worse in Syria, with the UN inspectors being fired upon by unknown snipers today. They had to turn back, and will try again in a few hours. Who the hell knows who’s behind this anymore.
@Bobby Thomson: They were’nt hiding the ball. This is just something you totally made up. Its not exactly possible to make the clerk responsible for the fact that when she was asked “are you a resident and paying a lower fee” she didn’t ask “define resident.” She has been in and out of Wyoming for years–you can bet your boots that the difference between “real residents” and “visitors/tourists” has been a staple of local media and tourist talk for decades. There’s no way she couldn’t know that it was at least at issue–it would have been at issue for voting as well as for driver’s liscence.
@jayackroyd: We saw six wild turkeys in our backyard the other morning, in our little town in the middle of other towns. I hear my neighbors have foxes. Maybe they can get together and kill each other? Or: one will swell the other’s population, more likely.
@magurakurin: Hard to fix.
It’s unfortunate the House fixed the number of members, though, instead of adding seats each census. That’s not in the constitution.
@BruinKid: I’m not disagreeing, but it’s hard to picture ‘worse’ in Syria. The fact that the neocons are rallying in favor of bombing… something… in Syria makes me ill.
… they wouldn’t be the Cheneys.
Mike in NC
George Orwell never actually met Dick Cheney, but he had him in mind when he wrote “1984”.
Birdshot? Pshaw. That’s fer them candy-assed Texans.
I think you need to use the same technique/ordnance as described in the Parable – the one where the last line is: “You gonna talk? Or fish?”
Just that they’re so tone-deaf. Cheney not realizing that simply saying ‘Oh, I made a mistake. I really apologize’ instead of blaming the clerk, would sound so much better. Especially to an electorate she’s trying to ingratiate herself with.
I suppose I should have said Quayle shot.
@Mike in NC: Hm. ‘War is Peace’. Check. ‘Freedom is Slavery’. Check. ‘Ignorance is Strength’. Check.
Well, it’s such a beloved name.
I wish the Cheney’s would completely disappear. Which deity do I need to pray to for that to happen?
An OT but related to assholes:
New wingnut rule: whenever a black person commits a crime President Obama and all prominent black politicians or civil rights advocates must apologize and send condolences or words of support to the white victims.
What’s “worse” is that CNN.com chose to run Miley Cyrus’s “shocking” twerking as their 42-point-type LEAD FUCKING STORY because ARGLEBARGLEBLEGHARGH!
I have not really been a big proponent of the Humongous Meteor Strike, but that shit may change my mind.
Miley Fucking Cyrus, twerking. Jesus H. Christ.
Sorry for the major OT, but that just pissed me right off.
I thought their superpower was shooting people in the face while driving drunk, and not suffering any consequences for it.
It’s not new, it’s just been dormant for a couple of years, since just after the Skip Gates thing. Or maybe it was OJ. Or Tom Robinson.
Don’t the darkies all know each other, anyway?
Here’ the difference between an asshole and a normal person.
An asshole says this.
A normal person says this (assuming they have some pressing reason to keep discussing the matter).
But I’m not surprised she can’t leave this alone. She’s a Republican and that means stupidly whining about crap even when it makes you look like a dumb carpet bagger.
Even if we accept her version of events, she can’t grasp that suggesting clerks ought to quiz people on the length of their residency would piss residents of WY (the one she wants to vote for her) the hell off.
Unless she means she is so obviously not from WY the clerk should have been suspicious. In which case lets hope the voters are as well.
EDIT P.S. – I have a dream … that Darth Cthcheny is grooming Liz for a run at the White House.
A perfect demonstration that when you first meet someone, watch the way they treat the wait staff/store clerks/etc.
I have noticed over the years that Republicans are all about personal responsibility for other people. As soon as they screw up, you can bet it will be the fault of someone else.
@MattF: Yeah, NPR saying Graham and McCain want some bombing, as though a) that is new b) they are some moderate middle and c)They have not demanded we bomb Equador for being reported to offer asylum to Snowden.
All purpose response.
Just heard George Stuffinenvelopes interview Donald Trump about being sued for fraud. He’s such a fucking loon. He throws out the tinfoil hat idea that it’s a conspiracy — how weird that the NY AG met with Obama for lunch and later THAT SAME DAY Trump has fraud charges against him?! He called it a “mini-IRS.” GIve Stuffinenvelopes credit for saying, “so you’re blaming Obama?” I mean what a LOON.
How long has the list of recent posts been gone from the upper left side of the blog? I only see the newsmax headlines.
If I accidentally use a slug instead, can I force him to apologize?
As an attorney, Liz knows that ignorance is not a valid legal defense.
OTOH, she is going to be a gift that keeps on giving.
@SFAW: it’s weird that a governor and a Washington Post columnist are repeating wingnut talk radio idiocy.
Paul in KY
I saw Miley Cyrus use a giant foam finger last night. Jeezus Christ! Would like to see some videos of younger kids who had agitated to stay up later to watch Hannah perform. The whole Will Smith clan had front row seats for it.
Miley did everything but twerk & if she’d given it more thought, she could have twerked on that dude’s backside.
O/T but I can’t believe what just happened to a friend. She is going through cancer treatments now and just lost everything when her apartment building burned to the ground. The worst part is that her cats (she calls them her babies) were inside. She is beyond devastated and I just can’t imagine the horror. I really don’t know what to say. I’m just devastated for her.
@Southern Beale: He’s a loon but a predictable one. Why do these news media treat him like a credible person?
Paul in KY
@Matt McIrvin: I think 30+ should do it for general conversations.
@The Red Pen:
Incorrect. The 12th Amendment doesn’t make it illegal for Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates to come from the same state; it just requires electors to vote for one candidate who is not from their state. Thus Bush still would have won, but Texas would have had to give their votes to somebody else for VP. They would have chosen some third party schmuck, leaving nobody with a majority and the decision in the hands of the Senate. Wouldn’t have helped Gore at all.
Paul in KY
@SFAW: She actually didn’t ‘twerk’ as I understand the term: Doing a handstand against a wall & then humping said wall.
She was quite comprehensive in other ‘getting jiggy wit it’ motions.
Bear in mind that the election is more than a year away, so by the time it rolls around she will have been a resident for long enough to get a resident fishing license legitimately.
things are going great in Syria. for Al Qaeda. their foreign recruitment is up, their cadres get to practice beheadings, and executions of civilian teenagers (with replays on YouTube) is at an all time high in Syria. and soon they’ll have the US armed forces helping out. what more could Al Qaeda ask for? money and weapons from Saudi and Qatari sources, logistical support from the various intelligence agencies, and the distinct possibility of Tomahawk missiles sent at their opponents. Team Al Qaeda could not be happier.
Paul in KY
@MomSense: Terrible news. Just tell her you are there for her. She’ll need to get with her insurance and/or relief agencies ASAP.
I know I am beating this to death, but really, the clerk can’t answer the question for her. It’s not a trivial question. Determining residency for the purposes of getting a hunting license is complex. There are about four pages on the web site on the residency rules.
Non residents pay more than ten times as much for a big game license as a resident. You need to know your status. It’s a big deal.
Look at the WY F&G web site.
@Roger Moore: I actually doubt that. I don’t think she’ll meet the 180 day resident rules by primary day.
Update: Sorry, the initial residency requirement is more stringent.
These rules are designed to prevent people pulling the kind of shit Liz is pulling. Tourists, part time residents, beltway bandits with a summer house, rich fucks et alia really are excluded by intention.
@MikeJ: Exactly. Not only is it a particularly vicious kind of bullying that screams of severe insecurity, but a person who will be mean to a store clerk will be mean to a waiter. And no one should eat with people who are rude to waiters.
Well, he’s (allegedly) rich, so that means he’s smarter and better.
If I were
the King of the Foresta forensic accountant, I’d REALLY want to see Trump’s books. Maybe that’s part of Schneiderman’s plan? One can only hope.
Although, the resultant mouth-foaming and crazy-spewing from Trump, when he’s found to be worth $50K, not $500M, would be both fun and annoying. (“Annoying,” because who wants to see that mofo on the TV any more than absolutely necessary? And by “any more than absolutely necessary,” I mean EVEREVEREVER.)
Why is it weird? Is the governor a Rethug? QED. And the WaPo? Is it anything other than a Rethug house organ (so to speak)? (Well, not really, but it’s certainly not the same place where Watergate was investigated.)
@Paul in KY:
Just so you know, you’re not helping CNN’s case.
CNN’s next MAJOR headline: JUSTIN BIEBER THINKING OF DATING SELENA GOMEZ OR SOMEONE ELSE!
@MattF: The British papers are all saying US/UK air strikes on Syria are imminent. Don’t know what to make of that.
Yep. That’s why all these scapegoats (welfare state, unions, regulatory agencies, civil rights movements, immigrants, “intellectual elites”) are so important, and also why they ridiculously overstate the amount of power these scapegoats hold in society. “The Jews control society and they’re plotting against me” (and its modern equivalents) sounds like a bad joke, until you realize that they have to believe it – if it’s not true, if no one’s keeping them down, then that means all their failures are their own fault, and it means that by their own standards (pull yourselves up by your boostraps, lazy bums! You’re just not working hard enough!) they’re just a bunch of losers.
@Shakezula: “And no one should eat with people who are rude to waiters. ” But aren’t angry cooks the most likely to be rude to waiters?
@jayackroyd: ” shall physically reside in Wyoming for one (1) full year (365 consecutive days) immediately preceding the date”
Wow, that seems to imply NO out of state travel for even a single day. That is immigration law strict.
Oh, cripes. I’ve been mostly ambivalent about the NSA, often because it seems like people are letting hyperbole and imaginations run wild, but if Dick is on board with it, I think I’ll change my position from “We should calmly pressure Congress to exact more oversight on the Intelligence community to ensure our privacy is protected” to “We should protest and demand that Congress burn it all down and salt the Earth.”
Yes, but the angry cooks also have their own knives, so they can get away with it. ;-)
I’m not always an Anthony Bourdain fan, but his book Kitchen Confidential has an interesting essay about kitchen management and why chefs in New York City need to understand the politics of Latin America (basically, you don’t want to put a line cook who escaped from right-wing death squads in El Salvador next to a cook who escaped communism in Cuba, or there will be blood).
Beating the dog to dust.
They bought the property May 21 2012. The deed lists their residence as 1008 Woburn Court, McClean VA. I’m not gonna see whether they still own that property because I’ve already wasted too much time on this. But I doubt she’d be a resident for F&G purposes, unless they sold the VA residence, and actually moved to Wyoming by August 2012.
But the primary is not until August 19 2014 so she has time to qualify well before then. I think it would be a crimp in her teevee schedule though.
Enzi should do some kind of countdown thing of when she’d qualify. He could tie her in knots over her complying with the regs.
She’ll be out by October or so.
Will that be in time for her to run for Mayor of NYC?
@MomSense: That is horrible. Please accept a hug for yourself and please pass on her, when appropriate, that she’s in my thoughts.
The Red Pen
Thanks for the clarification. That actually makes me feel better about it. I’ve always felt that Cheney was given a pass on the 12th Amendment which is particularly irksome in light of Obama being held to Constitutional tests that actually don’t exist (e.g. “two citizen parents”).
This is a decent rule for anyone who works with immigrants from anywhere. They take their politics with them when they come to the US, and you’re going to need to know at least something about them if you want to avoid trouble. I have definitely learned better than to talk about Taiwanese politics with more than one person from Taiwan present.
@catclub: they’ve got travel day rules and such, but they really, really don’t want people who aren’t real residents to qualify.
It’s a big deal. Really.
@SFAW: US Senator is actually our traditional place for a carpetbagger. CIty council seats are inherited–or at least, since term limits they are.
Trulia made that easier than I expected.
Last sold in 2004 so she presumably still owns it.
“1008 Woburn Ct has 7 beds, 7 baths, and approximately 5,472 square fee” that has comps selling for around $3 million.
Can’t imagine she can qualify for a resident license in time for the primary.
Of course Liz & Dick Cheney thinks new leadership is required for the NSA to thrive.
They think the NSA slurping up all our communications is a good thing and the Kenyan Muslim Userper erred by not doubling down when it came to light that the NSA had been lying to us all along.
In a similar vein yesterday I read that everyone was aghast that Snowden had been so prodigious at covering his tracks while he worked as a ‘Security Analyst’ for the NSA. Surprised that Snowden had been able to go around electronic logs and avoid detection. One thing I didn’t read was the question “Well who do you think taught Snowden how to avoid logs and detection?”. It could be no other than the very NSA who taught all their people how to spy on anyone with complete impunity. That’s my take, but of course the MSM grabs a hankie & hits the fainting couch because they get the vapors thinking our security apparatus has gone rogue.
The game, it is rigged.
That gets you 2000 square feet in the urban hellhole.
Yeah, but neither Chuck nor Kirsten is up this year. Or did you mean Wyoming?
@Keith P.: It’s a little odd, isn’t it? It’s Liz-n-Dick 24/7 with no mention of the husband. His name is Philip Perry and he’s a lobbyist and lawyer in DC where he seems to be staying while Liz and the kids rough it in Jackson Hole. So much for Republican family values.
Speaking of IOIYAR, remember a couple of weeks ago when Oprah accused a Swiss store clerk of racist behavior and the store owner was all “No way, man” and wingnuts rose up as one to call Oprah the liar? But it’s OK to blame the help if you’re a Republican.
@SFAW: I was thinking of Bobby Kennedy. But there have been others.
Mayors are long term residents. Bloomberg is the first I can think of who wasn’t native and he’d lived here a long time.
Interesting. Zillow shows the place as assessed at $1,384,680 for property tax purposes, even though it was bought for $1,968,500. Their “Zestimate” is not listed, but their graph for the property suggests it’s worth a bit over $2 million. Anyone know if there’s a legitimate reason for the difference between the assessed and estimated values?
Clearly, they were convinced that the people of Wyoming would greet them as liberators.
Interesting. I recall my parents – longtime Dems – supporting Kenneth Keating during the 1964 Senate election. Now, whether they actually did, I’m not sure (I did not really follow politics a ton in those days). In the end, Bobby winning was probably a good thing, even if it eventually resulted in Jim Buckley.
But my comment was more prosaic/pedestrian – I was thinking Liz could run with Weiner, on a “co-Mayor” ticket, with the slogan “Two fucking assholes for the price of one! What could be better.?”
Paul in KY
@SFAW: Watching Tosh.0, he said that was twerking (what I described up above).
I could be wrong, as I am a 54 year old whitey-white guy ;-)
And now I have this horrible earworm: McNasty riffing on the Beach Boys. Because nothing says “I love the smell of napalm in the morning”-style gung-hoism like mixing massive destruction and casualties and surf music.
@Paul in KY:
Well, I’m older, but still … my knowledge of stuff like that is from my daughter. (Although she and I don’t discuss twerking. We spend a lot of time talking about how fucked up the Rethugs are, however.)
@SFAW: Wikipedia and Urban Dictionary can be your friend to explain such things. (Middle-aged white woman here who depends on Wiki and internet for lots of information.)
Explain what? That Rethugs are fucked up? I already know that.
Twerking? Other than a quasi-snarky reference, and the associated follow-ups, why would/should I care? It’s like caring about Justin Bieber’s latest escapades, or whether Lindsay Lohan is in, or out, of rehab.
(I know you’re just trying to be helpful, and it’s appreciated.)
Isn’t it mostly Republicans who loudly complain about details and regulations? Recall how a bunch of the Republican leadership bitched about how many pages something was, and all the subsequent talking points (aka ‘marketing plan’) hammered that in?
And yet, Republicans, especially Cheney know exactly how to game out the rules to their advantage.
“Liz and Dick” would be a good sitcom.
He’s a Dark Lord, she’s his Daughter.
They’ve just moved to the country, and hijinks ensue!
Turn in on Wednesdays this Fall, on Fox!
Paul in KY
@SFAW: You just never now anymore when ‘twerking’ might come up in a conversation…
@Paul in KY:
As Olsen Johnson would say: “Now, who can argue with that?”
@Roger Moore: that’s typically the case. Assessors low ball values to reduce appeals. High value property moreso for several reasons.
@Jayackroyd: I was just reading about the role of appraisers in the financial crisis. Too bad the appraisers and the assessors did not have to match at some point.
Instead, you get to pretend your house is worth X while being taxed as worth Y, and lets not tell the tax assessor we think it is worth X.
“I’d like to apologize for stepping in front of Dick Cheney’s loaded gun and shooting myself in the face while he was totally not drinking and also for ruining his shot at those animals that were totally not just released from cages prior to Dick Cheney pulling the trigger just as I carelessly stepped into his line of fire. I hope Dick Cheney can forgive me.”
Being a Cheney means never having to say you’re sorry.
Yep, she’s a NeoCon Wingnut. You know how I know? She engaged in one (or more) of four actions: 1) Didn’t recall. 2) Feigned ignorance. 3) Blamed somebody else. 4) Failed to read what she signed.
I think Liz and Dick Cheney may have been posting comments here the last time NSA spying came up.
Just for the record: they were for it.
@catclub: Fee appraisers and tax assessors have different objectives. And tax assessors can be undermined or overridden by elected officials. I go on at some length about one element of the dishonesty of the property assessment process in many jurisdictions. http://virtuallyspeaking.us/blog/2011/05/10/assessments