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Post Hiccup Open Thread

by Soonergrunt|  September 3, 201312:55 pm| 92 Comments

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We had a minor issue with the hosting company.  How did you all spend the juice-free morning?

I understand that Firedoglake has some excess bandwidth now that Tbogg has retired…

Aaaaaaand now my work computer is blocked by the site’s security system.

Posting this update from my phone.  Just sit tight, and we’ll (meaning mistermix) will get everything fixed, and we’ll get right back to our regularly scheduled Tedium.

And I’m up again!

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  1. 1.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    September 3, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    I was busy the last two days and didn’t learn until this morning that Arsenal signed Ozil from Real Madrid.

    Wish they would have captured another striker with Podolski out, but maybe they can make it to the winter window without it becoming critical.

  2. 2.

    Jewish Steel

    September 3, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    excess bandwidth

    Zing!

  3. 3.

    Poopyman

    September 3, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: I see what you did there.

    Don’t do that.

    ETA: Oh! And he edited it away! Well played.

  4. 4.

    AliceBlue

    September 3, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    I spent my juice-free morning in a sweaty state of withdrawal.

  5. 5.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    September 3, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    @Poopyman: I was feeling juvenile.

  6. 6.

    Poopyman

    September 3, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: It was so quintessentially FDL-ish though.

  7. 7.

    Tractarian

    September 3, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    How did you all spend the juice-free morning?

    Cowering in a corner and shaking, furiously pressing F5.

    Just kidding, didn’t notice

  8. 8.

    Yatsuno

    September 3, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    I did e-mail you, but only because I was feeling oppressed. The error was sort of a known issue last week, so I figured it would resolve sooner than later.

    Do. Not. Want. To. Work. Today. But I have a time-sensitive meeting that would be a bitch and a half to reschedule.

  9. 9.

    Poopyman

    September 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Sooner @ top

    Hey Boss, you want us to go muss some people up?

  10. 10.

    Howard Beale IV

    September 3, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Google just announced the codename for Android 4.4.

    KitKat.

    Wonder how much they’re paying Netsle to use that name…..

  11. 11.

    Peej

    September 3, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    I noticed…just figured that Cole had forgotten to pay the bill.

  12. 12.

    kindness

    September 3, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    I wondered if I had posted something so abhorrent, so criminally insane and outrageous that they had suspended my account.

  13. 13.

    Keith G

    September 3, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: Give me a break.

  14. 14.

    Ash Can

    September 3, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    We had a minor issue with the hosting company.

    “The hosting company folks aren’t available for comment due to their broken jaws being wired shut.”

  15. 15.

    cleek

    September 3, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    i spent my time googling “plantar fasciitis” – which is when a horde of little fascists invade the bottoms of your feet and set up a little slave colony.

  16. 16.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 3, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    @kindness:

    If they won’t suspend Special Timmeh, then nothing is sufficiently abhorrent, criminally insane, or outrageous enough for anyone else to be suspended.

    I figured it was some sort of billing issue as well, seeing as it happened during the first working day of the month, when the beancounting asshats are back at their desks causing trouble.

  17. 17.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 3, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    @Keith G:

    I see what you did there…

  18. 18.

    Punchy

    September 3, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: In this case, wouldn’t the marketing agreement work the other direction? Shouldn’t Nestle be paying Google to use that name and get the KitKat name back into the MSM? After all, Google could choose any nonsensical name they want….

  19. 19.

    eemom

    September 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Y’all really need to implement an emergency alert system and a temporary shelter for when the blog goes down.

    I mean considering how many of us depend on this place for basic sustenance 24/7, it’s just common courtesy.

  20. 20.

    Ted & Hellen

    September 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Obama sure is enjoying getting his war on, posing with his big, manly war making finger pointing not at all suggestively from his nuclear powered crotch while he takes an oh so very important war making phone call in the Offal Office where all presidents love getting their mother fucking war on.

    Now remember, these pictures are not at all staged, nor in any way posed or framed for propaganda purposes. Commanders in Chief always stand awkwardly with one dress shoe on the floor and one on the top of their desk, pointing all invasion-like with their fingers from their private regions as they make emphatic and undeniably convincing warlike points to the dial tone on the other end of the line about how he needs this goddam war goddammit to take the focus on NSA and other Snowaldian matters

    It’s great that he is so very different from George W Bush.

  21. 21.

    piratedan

    September 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    scared me, I thought account suspended was specific and suspected that JC had given T&H the banhammer

  22. 22.

    Yatsuno

    September 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I was trying to not groan too loudly at that.

  23. 23.

    PsiFighter37

    September 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    That’s bad of you SG. I like how you roll though.

  24. 24.

    CaseyL

    September 3, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    First, I thought it was a technical glitch at your end, and figured it would be fixed at some point.

    Then, I didn’t see Cole or ABL or anyone talking about it on Twitter, so I thought…. …is it me? Is it something I said? Is my account suspended and felt vaguely and bemusedly guilty.

    Until I remembered: I don’t have “an account”! BJ does not, yet, require registration!

    I concluded the problem was therefore the site, not me, that had been suspended. Guilt fled; and life was worth living again.

  25. 25.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 3, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    @Yatsuno: I emailed mistermix too, because I’ve been having that security blacklisting thing recently and thought this might be the latest iteration. Somehow I must have missed the problem last week.

    BTW, can we all just give a shoutout to mistermix for invariably responding promptly and informatively about these issues? Even if his answer is something on the order of “We don’t know what’s going on, we’re working on it” — it’s still nice to know that your request or complaint didn’t just disappear into the æther. And sooner or later, he manages to get whatever-it-was fixed.

    Thanks, mm!

  26. 26.

    Ted & Hellen

    September 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    @piratedan:

    Hey genius, why would JC banning me affect YOUR access?

    You’re quite smart.

  27. 27.

    MikeJ

    September 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: The new name has to start with a K and have something to do with sweets. I suppose KandyKorn might have worked, but I don’t have any other ideas.

  28. 28.

    Amir Khalid

    September 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
    Signing Özil from Real is actually a good bit of business, I think. At any rate, it’s a damn sight better than David Moyes managing only to sign a midfielder from his previous club. And paying more of United’s money than he needed to.

  29. 29.

    max

    September 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    We had a minor issue with the hosting company.

    That was a head-scratcher. I couldn’t figure out if ‘This Account Is Suspended’ meant my uh, ‘account’ (IP) or the BJ account. A not at all helpful cgi page from the hosting company.

    How did you all spend the juice-free morning?

    Listening to various pundits confuse themselves about Syria.

    max
    [‘This is how the gross, rotten sausage that no one wants to admit they helped make gets made.’]

  30. 30.

    Face

    September 3, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    @eemom: I agree with this. We need to establish an Alternate Juice Site we can all go to when this blogs kicks. A place for information and swearing. Doesn’t Southern Beale have her own blog we could drop in on?

  31. 31.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 3, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    @Ted & Hellen: I’m quite certain that GW Bush would also have taken time out of his busy G20 schedule to meet with leaders of LGBT groups to make a point to his dear friend Vlodya. They’re indistinguishable, I tell you.

  32. 32.

    Howard Beale IV

    September 3, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    @MikeJ: Up until today the speculation was on Key Lime Pie. Now that’s been scuppered.

  33. 33.

    RareSanity

    September 3, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    I have a feeling that if they didn’t actually write a check to Google, they were more than happy to allow Google to use the name free of charge. The name KitKat will be plastered all over any kind of tech reporting, as well as mentioned countless times in conversations.

    I would also think that Nestle probably approached Google with the idea, seeing as how this the first brand that has been used as a release name. That being said, whomever at Nestle that came up with the idea, is a freaking marketing genius.

  34. 34.

    me

    September 3, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: No money was paid but there is cross-marketing.

  35. 35.

    srv

    September 3, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    This website has the weirdest outages. Never a normal 404 message, this time it was the non-suspension suspension banhammer.

    This is probably a prelude to Obamacare.

  36. 36.

    Mandalay

    September 3, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    The lines are being drawn…

    In a boost for Obama, John Boehner, the Republican speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor both pledged their support for military action after the meeting.

    So if Congress gives their support to Obama, and all goes well, the big losers will be Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. Unkind people might start calling them spineless appeasers, enemies of democracy, or gutless wimps who are unfit to be president.

    OTOH, if Congress says no, or things go awry, Boehner and Cantor will be in deep, deep shit.

    This looks like a win-win for the nation.

  37. 37.

    Elizabelle

    September 3, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Crossing my fingers that Pres. Obama does not appoint Larry Summers to the Fed.

    No Larry Summers. No way.

    It’s not a real popular idea with NYTimes reader commenters. Is this story a trial balloon?

    The spreading expectation that President Obama will name Lawrence H. Summers to lead the Federal Reserve Board appears to be working against the central bank’s efforts to stimulate the economy.

    The jitters even have some analysts betting that a Summers nomination could lead to slower economic growth, less job creation and higher interest rates than if the president named Janet L. Yellen, the Fed’s vice chairwoman.

    Spreading expectation among whom? Politico staff? Villagers? Janet Yellin’s friends?

  38. 38.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 3, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    On the subject of Syria, read this. Read it now. Write your representatives about it, recommend they read it before they vote on Grampy and Huckleberry’s little jerkoff operation.

  39. 39.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    @MikeJ:

    The new name has to start with a K and have something to do with sweets

    Why, for heaven’s sake?

  40. 40.

    Amir Khalid

    September 3, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    @Ted & Hellen:
    One of my suspicions was that John Cole had banned everyone but you from Balloon Juice, so that his favourite commenter and bestest friend in the whole wide world would never again have to endure the mockery of the Kewl Kids Kommenters.

  41. 41.

    ranchandsyrup

    September 3, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Was in a meeting this morning and my counterpart across the table seemed distracted. Finally she admitted that she was looking at the remnants of nail polish on my fingers. Our 2 y.o. daughter is way into the nail polish these days and I didn’t do such a great job of removal.

  42. 42.

    Belafon

    September 3, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    @srv: Well, the original page said “To all of you users that have been yelling “FWYP” at me, well, I’m tired of your shit and I’m shutting down for the day.” Luckily, someone gave the word press servers a Snickers, and all was better.

  43. 43.

    Mandalay

    September 3, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    @Ted & Hellen:

    as they make emphatic and undeniably convincing warlike points to the dial tone

    Win. You may have a lot of detractors, but none of them are funny.

  44. 44.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 3, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    OK, I’m going to need a check (US dollars only) for a new keyboard as sarcasm dripped off my screen on to my keyboard and now the function keys are sticky.

  45. 45.

    Tonybrown74

    September 3, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    @Ted & Hellen:

    I don’t normaily don’t feed the trolls, but this is too funny:

    Obama sure is enjoying getting his war on, posing with his big, manly war making finger pointing not at all suggestively from his nuclear powered crotch while he takes an oh so very important war making phone call in the Offal Office where all presidents love getting their mother fucking war on.

    Admit it. You came, probably twice, when you typed this, didn’t you.

    Just admit you secretly want to get your mandingo on so that we can all do away with the fake pretense. You are really bad with the fake pearl clutching contrarianism.

  46. 46.

    Dee Loralei

    September 3, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    YAY! I didn’t do anything to deserve it! Because honestly, I couldn’t think of what horrible, attrocious appalling thing I could have possibly said that was remotely as bad as some of the other commentors on here. Thanks for fixing it SG And Mix! And who ever else did it. I was having serious withdrawals.

  47. 47.

    kindness

    September 3, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    @ranchandsyrup: You should have said it was the new thing in fashion. Why it is all the rage in Syria. Sadly.

  48. 48.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    September 3, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I’m keeping TBogg in my RSS reader because I know he’ll be back intermittently and I know it’ll be worth reading.
    Spent last week in Alabama so I’m enjoying a few days back in cool Michigan until I have to jet off again. Mostly just having dumb arguments on FB over Syria.
    Is it just me or is this Syrian situation playing out like a Shakespeare tragedy where the protagonist gets painted into a corner in the second act and you know there will be a lot of blood before the curtain falls? Except real life and way, way more tragic.

  49. 49.

    Ted & Hellen

    September 3, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    They’re indistinguishable, I tell you.

    Why do you say that?

    I just pointed out how completely and not at all alike they are. Try to read for meaning and intention.

  50. 50.

    shelly

    September 3, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Wondered what naughtiness I’d committed to get suspended.

  51. 51.

    Ted & Hellen

    September 3, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    So over the white house pose that it takes MONTHS, I tell you, nay YEARS I tell you, to make these kinds of decisions, as PBO weighs very carefully for WEEKS I tell you all the pros and cons..

    What a load of horse shit.

    It’ll be Summers.

  52. 52.

    Ted & Hellen

    September 3, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    @Mandalay:

    This looks like a win-win for the nation.

    I’m sure what you really mean is that it looks like a win-win for PBO’s political career/legacy.

  53. 53.

    ranchandsyrup

    September 3, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    @kindness: Heh. If it gets noticed again before I go home and douse my hands in nail polish remover, I’ll do just that.

  54. 54.

    eemom

    September 3, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    @Face:

    BJ has a Facebook page, but no one seems to go there much.

  55. 55.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 3, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    @Ted & Hellen: You’re not that stupid.

  56. 56.

    Ted & Hellen

    September 3, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    recommend they read it before they vote on Grampy and Huckleberry’s little jerkoff operation.

    What in the name of this new fresh hell are you babbling about? This is Barack’s baby. In case you had not noticed, he’s been prez for five years now.

    What a laughably Botwellian attempt to rearrange reality.

  57. 57.

    Trollhattan

    September 3, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I still think it’ll be Larry Flynt.

  58. 58.

    Ted & Hellen

    September 3, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    would never again have to endure the mockery of the Kewl Kids Kommenters

    Ha.

    I welcome your mockery. It reassures me I’m on the right track.

  59. 59.

    Trollhattan

    September 3, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    At some point you’ll really regret writing that.

  60. 60.

    Ted & Hellen

    September 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Adorbs.

  61. 61.

    Roger Moore

    September 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Why, for heaven’s sake?

    Because those are the rules of their code naming system. Each code name starts with the next letter in the alphabet, and they’re all named after sweets. Since I’ve been using it, they’ve gone through Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich, and Jelly Bean. The next letter is K, and there aren’t that many sweets that start with K.

  62. 62.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Oh yes it is. It is that stupid. It demonstrates it every fucking day.

  63. 63.

    Mandalay

    September 3, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    @Ted & Hellen:

    I’m sure what you really mean is that it looks like a win-win for PBO’s political career/legacy.

    Not at all. If Congress gives their support but things go badly then Obama loses, but he can stand that, and is never running for office again anyway. And Democrats in Congress can (lamely) claim that they were just backing their president.

    But some prominent Republicans will have some serious explaining to do on their position regardless of the eventual outcome. It’s just a matter of whether the peaceniks or the warmongers get put on the spot.

  64. 64.

    MikeJ

    September 3, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Why, for heaven’s sake?

    It’s just the way the sequence runs. Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich, Jelly Bean.

    ETA: damn your faster fingers, Roger Moore.

  65. 65.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader

    September 3, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    In other good news, my Balloon Juice account has been suspended.

  66. 66.

    Shakezula

    September 3, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Get the big hammer!

  67. 67.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 3, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader: Didn’t pay that $19.99 fee.

  68. 68.

    Randy P

    September 3, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    @MikeJ: What the heck is a froyo (the presumably edible item)? Is it any good?

  69. 69.

    Soonergrunt

    September 3, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    @Randy P: short for Frozen Yogurt.

  70. 70.

    Mandalay

    September 3, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: That is the only objective commentary I’ve seen in the MSM on the grounds for attacking Syria.

    In particular, it’s the only MSM article I’ve seen that points out:
    – Some of our “hard evidence” for Assad’s culpability is coming from Israel…hardly a disinterested party,
    – Syria is not a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention, and therefore is not violating it. That may seem a moot point, but the Administration is claiming that the CWC provides legal justification for their intervention, which is nonsense.

  71. 71.

    Randy P

    September 3, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @Soonergrunt: Well that’s boring. I thought it might be some exotic Norwegian dessert made from lutefisk or something.

  72. 72.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 3, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    @Roger Moore: I had no idea. Thanks. Fascinating.

  73. 73.

    Mnemosyne

    September 3, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    @Mandalay:

    So if Israel dropped a nuclear bomb on the West Bank, it would be no harm, no foul, because Israel never signed the non-proliferation treaty on nuclear weapons?

  74. 74.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 3, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    @MikeJ: Thank you, too. So, kind of like naming tropical storms, but better-tasting.

  75. 75.

    stinger

    September 3, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    @CaseyL: I always think it’s me. Or else that my company’s firewall put the kibosh on surfing. BJ is such an innocuous site, though!

  76. 76.

    TooManyJens

    September 3, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    I would make more fun of the Android naming scheme if I weren’t using an operating system that requires you to memorize a series of big cats to figure out which version you’re on. At least you can tell that KitKat comes before Licorice Whip or whatever. How the fuck am I supposed to remember that Lion is after Snow Leopard?

  77. 77.

    dance around in your bones

    September 3, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    I was jonesin’ for the Juice this morning.

    FSM must have beat the hosting company furiously about the head and shoulders with his noodly appendages until they relented and restored our Juice. Thanks, FSM :)

    Thanks mistermix and soonergrunt, too.

  78. 78.

    Steeplejack

    September 3, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Spent the morning reading Lee Child’s new Reacher novel, Never Go Back, which finally showed up on the Nook, so I missed the Balloon Juice outage. Although I did get that “Account suspended” message once last week. Weirdness. And FYWP. Or maybe FYISP?

    Never Go Back is really good, so if you’re a fan of the series don’t be in doubt. Sometimes these series can get tired and the author starts phoning it in—and Lee Child has had a few clunkers—but this one is good.

    Although maybe my mood was affected by the unbelievable weather here in NoVa today. It’s sunny and 80°, and there is a crackling energy in the air. Beautiful!

  79. 79.

    A Humble Lurker

    September 3, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    @Ted & Hellen:
    This actually makes me more confident in Obama. If some one as invested in his being the same as GWB as you can only come up with pictures (that support your point of view…somehow…?) and not, you know, policy, dude must be doing all right.

  80. 80.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 3, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    @TooManyJens: I thought the Lion was usually after the Zebra or the Gazelle.

  81. 81.

    TooManyJens

    September 3, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Well played.

  82. 82.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Outstanding photo on that here: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21584031-smaller-banks-europes-periphery-are-still-struggling-find-funding-long-dry

  83. 83.

    catclub

    September 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    @cleek: “set up a little slave colony”
    set up a plantation?

  84. 84.

    Felonius Monk

    September 3, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    I become very irregular without my morning Balloon Juice. Please don’t let this happen again.

  85. 85.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 3, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    @eemom: I check in every now and then to have a look but nothing’s been posted there since mid-August. Really, not a very interesting FB site. And there’s no conversation. But it would be a good place to update on site issues.

  86. 86.

    baquist

    September 3, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Two things in my morning I get cranky without: Tea and Balloon Juice. This morning was painful, to say the least. Sooo glad you paid the bill!!

  87. 87.

    schrodinger's cat

    September 3, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Did anyone read NYT’s Mother Lode blog where a blogger from Bangalore compares her daughters struggles with their conservative grandparents in India to Malala Yousafzai’s struggles?
    If MoU or Bobo ever hang up their hats, NYT has an endless supply of stupid on the tap from Bangalore.

  88. 88.

    LanceThruster

    September 3, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    How did you all spend the juice-free morning?

    Cursing the darkness. Candles are for DFH’s.

  89. 89.

    me

    September 3, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    Yeah…

  90. 90.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 3, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    No, it just means that while Israel would have committed a heinous act of murderous terror, it did not violate a treaty it signed.

    This is, I realize, a subtle point, but please remember: many things can be perfectly legal and not be right.

    As Mandalay points out, to damn Syria for violating a treaty it is not a party to is lame. Very lame. Make the argument on moral grounds, not legal ones.

  91. 91.

    Mnemosyne

    September 3, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    No, it just means that while Israel would have committed a heinous act of murderous terror, it did not violate a treaty it signed.

    Great, so the people who are constantly complaining that Israel has secret nukes will STFU about it now since they never promised to not have nukes? Or will they continue to have their double standard where it’s A-OK for Assad to use chemical weapons on his own people because shit happens in war but horrible for Israel to have nukes?

    For the record, I’m against both Assad having and using chemical weapons and against Israel having nukes, but I’d like the people who are being inconsistent to explain why one case is okay and the other one is bad.

  92. 92.

    Soonergrunt

    September 3, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    @Mnemosyne: “For the record, I’m against both Assad having and using chemical weapons and against Israel having nukes, but I’d like the people who are being inconsistent to explain why one case is okay and the other one is bad.”
    Good luck with that.

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