I don’t like Republican establishment pundits or even quasi-apostates like David Frum, but when I agree with their analysis of the looming shutdown, that it’s a Tea Party temper tantrum that will hurt the Republican party and the country. That makes sense, because (a) it will hurt the Republican party and the country and (b) these guys care about the Republican party and (to a lesser extent) the country.
Ron Fournier, Mark Halperin, and most other “ostensibly nonpartisan pundits” are most likely Republicans who consider themselves moderates. To the extent that they have policy opinions, they are in line with those of establishment Republicans (don’t shut down the government but do try to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and other social programs), but they, like the teahadists, are ultimately nihilists. Tea Parties don’t want to govern, they just want to destroy things. Ostensibly nonpartisan pundits don’t care what’s in the budget, they just want it to be a centrist bipartisan compromise. If the Republicans wanted to eat all the Irish babies, and the Democrats opposed cannibalism, Fournier and the rest would wonder why Obama couldn’t lead by agreeing to eat half the Irish babies…and then claim that Reagan, Tip, James Baker, and Gene Sperling would all agree to eat half (never mind that Ted Cruz wouldn’t accept this compromise).
Compromise for the sake of compromise, by any means necessary, isn’t even an ethos. These men are cowards.
Villago Delenda Est
Are all serious shitheads who are endangering the planet by exhaling carbon dioxide for no apparent useful purpose.
Baud
If they want a centrist budget, then they care what’s in it. Don’t be fooled by their aloofness.
Ted & Hellen
Good sweet Christ, you’re wrecking this blog.
Don’t you have one of your own somewhere? I guess no one reads that one, eh?
Still, it’s kind of morbidly entertaining to watch you take this place down with these Bot-on-Bot-Echo-Bot-Chamber posts.
Mojotron
So how do we deal with a group that’s willing to cut off their own toe to spite their face?
Mark S.
Gene Sperling giving a seminar in Aspen
IowaOldLady
Sweet cartwheeling Jesus, stop talking about t o e s.
Joey Maloney
@Mojotron:
Hand them the bolt cutters and stand back.
Problem is, they want to cut off my toe to spite their face.
Sly
Shorter Rand Paul: “Stand and deliver, or I shall kill you, and then you will be a murderer!”
Violet
You could have stopped right there.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@IowaOldLady: Is it better to talk about f u n g i? ::Ducks and runs::
policomic
DougJ, you have hit the nail on the head.
SiubhanDuinne
@Ted & Hellen:
Now there’s projection if ever I saw it!
Violet
It’s amazing the things that Reagan would have done, according to modern Republicans. Even when he actually did something in direction opposition to the thing they say he would have done, they aren’t convinced.
Baud
What’s the deal with toes?
Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader
.. and McMegan would be bragging about a cool new expensive babycooker she bought for her kitchen.
shelly
So, again one of the provisions is to delay the ACA for a year? Do they give any reason why? I can understand their zeal to repeal the hated Obamacare outright. But what’s their rational for delaying it? Just cause?
***********
Heard some of them again repeating that old mantra ‘Repeal and Replace!”
Replace it with what? Again has any Republican actually said what their plan is beyond going to the ER
IowaOldLady
@Baud: I take it you have not seen the ad for something to cure f u n g i on t o e n a i l s. I have to put my hand over my screen to cover the picture.
The Dangerman
I’m detecting a subtle shift in the talking points today; it’s shifting from “delay/defund it because it will be a disaster” to “we can’t stop the disaster and we’ll fix it when we are back in power”. Methinks the “Money” is yanking Republican choke chains already about a shut down, let alone the debt limit crisis. I’m back to thinking a deal is done really early in this thing, maybe even prior to Midnight tomorrow.
ETA; And by deal, I mean clean CR.
Anya
Isn’t Gene Sperling one of Obama’s henchmen who threatened poor Woodward? When did he become a model of reasonableness?
fuckwit
Hat tip for the Jonathan Swift reference.
Say it again and again: the teabaggers are terrorists who are attempting to hold the country hostage. Hostage-taking is a tactic of terrorism. The teabaggers are not fit to govern a democratic state. They’re not even trying to govern. They are trying to destroy the legitimately-elected government of the United States of America. They do not appear to have any respect for democracy.
Just because they themselves were legitimately elected in their districts, doesn’t mean that what they’re doing isn’t treasonous. They’re a minority attempting to seize power through unconstitutional means. At very least they appear to have little or no respect for democracy. I consider them dangerous extremists at least.
I can not possibly care less whether their party survives this idiocy.
I care only for the actual men, women, and children who are being held hostage by these goatfuckers.
ACA has been the law for years. It has been validated by the courts. The President and Senate were also legitimately elected and re-elected, and they support the legislation. The House Democrats were also legitimately elected, and support it, as do the non-teabagger Republicans in the House who haven’t signed on to hostage-taking. The teabaggers are attempting to claim power that is far beyond the legitimacy of their own seats. The fact that they are doing so gleefully and with a sense of entitlement, even of destiny, is deeply dangerous and anti-democratic at least, and, as I’ve said, treasonous at worst.
So there’s my Cavuto mark: Are the teabaggers traitors? It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
Baud
@IowaOldLady:
No. If an ad doesn’t have breasts, I usually don’t notice it.
Violet
@fuckwit: Your question doesn’t need a Cavuto mark. The answer is, Yes, the teabaggers are traitors. They are also terrorists.
fuckwit
@shelly: Easy: they want it to not take effect until after the 2014 elections! Because when voters realize how awesome it is to have medical insurance they can actually afford, they’ll realize Obamacare is great, and they’ll vote out the teabaggers who have been telling them that Obamacare is the apocalpyse.
IowaOldLady
Back when they were impeaching Clinton, people (well, the ones I hung out with) said the Rs would do anything “win an election” except get more votes. We see the same thing now. Getting votes is just an inconvenience on the way to getting their way.
scav
Destroying the country will make for a lot of news, especially if managed in steps — well, multiple cliffs. Lots of ink to be filled on the financial and opinion pages on the subject. Village skin in the game may not be the same as many of the rest of us.
schrodinger's cat
Antidote to all the Republican Drama,
Weekend Kittehs:
Friday Kitteh
and Literary Caturday Kittehs
Suffern ACE
@shelly: something something “it’s a train wreck” and “every month Obama announces a delay”.
Eta: and even Democrat max Baucus said it was a train wreck.
Yatsuno
@SiubhanDuinne: Apparently we are all trolls now. Which is really just a corollary of we are all DougJ anyway.
schrodinger's cat
@Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader: Does it go next to the industrial sized stand mixer, she also bought?
MikeJ
Actually they want to eat half of each Irish baby.
Dave
A few years ago, back during the Bush administration, I listened to a fair amount of talk radio on my commute. (I still wanted to believe the Republican party could be salvaged; I have been disabused of that notion.) Sean Hannity, whether he meant to or not, provided exactly the answer Democrats should have for Republicans. At the time, of course, he was talking about Islamocommufascioterrorism. “You can’t negotiate with someone who wants to destroy you,” he said. That’s the issue in a nutshell. The Republicans want to destroy the Democratic party at any cost. By their own “logic”, there is no negotiating with them.
Chris
These days I think “moderate Republican” is a class statement more than a political one. It means “I’m not a bleeding-heart liberal pest, but I’m also not one of those inbred country bumpkins. I’m a gentleman of the elites, I am. (Or I hope to be someday).” Which is pretty much the Village, the 1%, and quite a lot of the Republican elites in a nutshell.
The teabagger base picks up on some of that contempt, but chooses to interpret it as their party having been corrupted and infiltrated by “RINOs” and “liberals” (still a very widespread belief, even with all the teabaggers in Congres), rather than the more brutal truth that the MOTU really don’t and never have given a shit about them.
MoeLarryAndJesus
Perhaps another compromise can be made involving how the babies are prepared. I propose steaming them in Guinness.
Short Bus Bully
“Can’t we just all get along?”
fuckwit
@Dave: I wouldn’t be so frightened if all the Rethugs wanted to do is destroy the Democratic party. Good clean partisan fun, maybe, and we could fight back on those terms. What terrifies me is that they Rethugs, particularly the teabagger contingent, appear eager to destroy THE UNITED STATES completely. It’s not the Democrats that are in their crosshairs, it’s the government itself! They don’t care who they hurt. They really do want to drown the federal government in a bathtub. And destroy the economy too.
Partisans, I can handle, and I can see at least some entertainment and practical value in partisanship. Nihilism, not so much. The teabaggers seem ideologically opposed to the idea of a functioning federal government, at all. That is some scary shit.
This is NOT PARTISAN BICKERING AS USUAL. Please don’t confuse the two. The teabaggers have crossed a line. This is different, new (at least in my lifetime; I wasn’t alive in 1860), and dangerous.
Judge Crater
What we are seeing is the Limbaugh wing of what was the Republican party acting out their base instincts. They are political luddites who oppose and fear any manifestation of “collectivism” in American life. They are incensed by the “looters and moochers” who threaten the free market ethos that they (the Tea Party) want desperately to believe in. It’s a black and white world with “makers and takers” and a subculture of 47 percenters who have no “skin in the game”.
It’s the politics of rage: and guys like Cruz are going to ride its tide as far as they can.
John M. Burt
@schrodinger’s cat: “Does it go next to the industrial sized stand mixer, she also bought?”
Is that what she uses to puree her former stands before molding them into her new ones?
Doug J, you had a great joke set up, and then you blew it. It should have been, “Fournier and the rest would wonder why Obama couldn’t lead by agreeing to eat half of an Irish baby”.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
OT, RIP L.C. Greenwood.
Roger Moore
@Baud:
Not by their definition of “centrist”. They just want to split the difference between what the Democrats want and what the Republicans want, regardless of whether those desires are sensible or if one side is deliberately taking a ridiculous bargaining position so they get more when the difference is split.
Yatsuno
@Roger Moore: Are you TRYING to make the ghost of David Broder cry? All budgets MUST be bipartisan! It’s in the Bible! Or something.
Baud
@Roger Moore:
What I’m saying is, they wouldn’t want to split the difference if it were the Democrats who were making unreasonable demands. They don’t sweat the details because it’s the GOP being unreasonable in the real world.
Roger Moore
@Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader:
Where would you like your internets delivered?
dmsilev
@The Dangerman: There’s also stuff like this:
I suspect that even if we get a shutdown, there’s going to be a lot of behind-the-scenes pressure on the GOP to not fuck up the debt ceiling.
Robby-D
I have to disagree with you here. The Tea Party (and to a lesser extent, Conservatism) is really selfish in nature. Remember, the Tea Party activists were initially protesting taxes/spending – they are those who don’t want to support government programs that help others. Hence the focus on de-funding so many programs they themselves don’t directly benefit from – including corporate welfare, minority programs, welfare, food stamps, education, scientific research, etc. They staunchly oppose cuts to medicare because they use that program themselves or have direct relations who do.
The big difference between the Tea Party and those they picked to represent them in government is that the reps realize which side their bread is buttered on, and focus on cutting government spending that has little impact on the oligarchy / corporate campaign donations.
It’s not at all that the Tea Party is interested in destroying or interested in governing, they’re interested in their own special interests and nobody else’s. This is a definitive example of the “tyranny of the majority” which is a downfall of democracy when compassion is lacking.
Dave C
Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it’s an ethos!
Wag
@Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader:
FTW
Roger Moore
@Robby-D:
The problem is that for every program in the government, there’s somebody important in the Republican party who isn’t benefiting from it and consequently wants to gut it. It used to be that when one group wanted to preserve a program and another one wanted to cut it, they’d compromise and agree not to cut it, or only to cut it a little bit, depending on the relative power of the interests involved. Now, their default position seems to be that any program anyone wants to cut should be eliminated. Teabaggers don’t like programs that benefit the poor, oligarchs don’t like programs that benefit the middle class, and lots of people don’t like programs that benefit the rich. Now they’re trying to cut all of them, which adds up to most of the government.
dmsilev
@efgoldman:
One of the White House advisers went on CNN and analogized the GOP to someone with a bomb strapped to their chest. That was Friday I think.
gnomedad
@IowaOldLady:
I’ve been wondering what “Conservative Men Have The Right To See”, but I refuse to click.
Patrick
@The Dangerman:
Sure they will. They had 8 years under Bush when they could have fixed our health care mess. They chose not to. If they absolute power again, they wouldn’t do a damn to fix anything.
dmsilev
@gnomedad: Someone (no, not me) clicked on the thing a few days back; apparently, it’s one of these “society is about to collapse; prepare yourself with this extensive and overpriced kit that I will sell you” things. Not really sure what the connection is to women with …prominent assets (unless they’re part of the kit?), but there you have it.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader: (tastes) Mmm, tasty but can you pass the Pink Himalayan Salt?
El Caganer
@Mojotron: You want a toe? I can get you a toe….
Cassidy
@dmsilev: Survival kits are cheap and easy to make. Even good is easy to hoard. People always fuck up with the water. They always underestimate how much water to drink in a day.
IowaOldLady
@gnomedad: Hey, Cole gets money when you click. I think you owe it to him to find out what’s behind the curtain.
@Patrick: QFT, but I still hope Dangerman is detecting some real shift. Much as I’d like to see the Rs crash and burn, they’ll take too many people down with them.
Tommy_D_Cosmology
And still 40-some percent of voters puck these backward assholes. Past time to call out the “moderates” for being complicit.
MomSense
@dmsilev:
I’m just relieved I’m not the only one who sees those generous ads on my screen. I was starting to wonder to what places my boys had taken my poor, innocent, little computer.
I can’t even get my head around why exactly anyone would want the Republicans to succeed in achieving their vision of America. It sounds terrifying to me.
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
@Ted & Hellen:
You’re free to leave.
The Dangerman
@Patrick:
Of course not, but I’m buoyed by some (not all) of some commentary today that appears to be more along the lines of putting out the fire (or at least controlling it) and not tossing gas on the flames.
schrodinger's cat
@efgoldman: Its some scary shit for sure.
Cassidy
@MomSense: Manly man fantasies. We’re a generation raised on a steady diet of 80’s action movies.
Amir Khalid
@gnomedad:
An amateurish and tedious video clip promoting right-wing talking points. Any “conservative man” silly enough to expect a closer acquaintance with the lovely Ms Orange Top will be disappointed.
Patrick
@The Dangerman:
I hope you are right.
Roger Moore
@Patrick:
They did pass Medicare Part D. That said, their idea of “fixing” things is probably a bit different from yours and mine. They mean that they’ll fix things so there are plenty of nice juicy veins for blood sucking parasites to attach themselves to.
IowaOldLady
Re the buxom lady apparently from video games ads: What I don’t understand is how some of those clothes (using the term loosely) would work.
dmsilev
@IowaOldLady: Magic?
Roger Moore
@IowaOldLady:
Adhesives.
IowaOldLady
@dmsilev: The only possible explanation, I think.
IowaOldLady
@Roger Moore: That too. But ow!
gnomedad
@IowaOldLady:
I know; it depends whether I have time to shower afterward.
@Cassidy:
I stock up on good whenever there’s a sale.
Cassidy
@gnomedad: damn tiny keyboards
? Martin
@Roger Moore:
Well, Medicare D wasn’t that horrible. The biggest problem was that it refused to negotiate on prices and to pay for it. Aside from that it was pretty good (all the stuff they took from Ted Kennedy). Even the donut hole wasn’t horrible – it made a certain bit of sense that, with price negotiation would have been a quite small problem, but without price negotiation wound up being a bigger problem. But it was one of those things, like a lot of whats in ACA, could be fixed down the road, and was in ACA. In spite of the economic failings of it, it did help a lot of people and it wound up being a big bit of the puzzle that ACA didn’t need to solve – just to patch up a bit.
The biggest problem with Medicare D today is that the GOP of today would be shutting down the government and threatening the global economy if the Dems proposed it in the exact form that the GOP passed it in. It really does serve as another piece of evidence that this is a full-on civil war we’re engaged in.
gnomedad
@IowaOldLady:
Loosely.
Violet
@Cassidy:
Can you tell me how to hoard some good? Seems like it might come in handy from time to time.
ppcli
@gnomedad: Good. Because you don’t have the right to see it.
rikyrah
@fuckwit:
love your comments
Bill E Pilgrim
@Violet: Hmm, well if Mark Antony was right, then I’d say grave robbing would do the trick.
Belafon
@dmsilev: I just love the text under the one with the strapless dress:
Cassidy
@Violet: The hugs of my kids. I’m a hoarder.
Litlebritdifrnt
I still think the best term to describe what is going on right now is our own John’s tire rims and anthrax one. Obama and the democrats want Italian. The Teahadis want tire rims and anthrax.
schrodinger's cat
@Litlebritdifrnt: Actually they want to feed us the tire rims and anthrax.
Frankensteinbeck
@schrodinger’s cat:
That’s the truly crazy part. They’re so frenzied to feed us tire rims and anthrax, they’re going to eat it too.
Villago Delenda Est
@Judge Crater:
One of the Koch brothers actually said in an interview that his major problem with Obama is that he’s an “egalitarian”.
You know, like that commie Jefferson guy who wrote of all men being created equal.
SatanicPanic
@Chris:
This is a really great point. I had never thought of if that way, but it’s spot on.
Villago Delenda Est
@dmsilev:
It’s the only way they can get brain-dead teahadi morons to click on it…by promising hot babes. Also, you know…it’s so viral that we have to use paid advertisement to get you to see it!
Cassidy
@Litlebritdifrnt: They don’t know what they want, only what they don’t want.
WereBear
And in the meantime, he’d not be rich if his father hadn’t made so much money from dealing with Stalin.
I’m certainly not on that level.
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
Thanks!
@WereBear:
That really is a fantastic origin story for that family. Why do they hate the left so much? Did they grow up under Soviet or Cuban oppression and escape to the free world? Are they devoutly religious? Are they just morally outraged at the evils of the communist system because let’s face it, it’s a nasty system? Nope! It’s just that they tried to expand into the Soviet market, and the deal fell through (or didn’t lead to where Papa Koch wanted it to), and they’ve been mad at that affront to their status ever since. So characteristically petty.
Villago Delenda Est
@Chris:
Papa Koch invented a pretty neat drill bit, but the powers that were at the time in the US oil industry shut him out.
So he went and peddled it to Stalin.
He thought he’d get rentier bucks out of Stalin in perpetuity, but Stalin, being smarter than the average Russian bear, would have no part of a royalty/ongoing maintenance support scam, and trained his own engineers to keep the fields running, shutting out Papa Koch (again).
Papa Koch was very, very pissed at this. Mainly because Stalin “screwed him over” by refusing to be a chump.
agrippa
They are ciphers. They have no values, no ideas. Yes, they are nihilists.
But, they buy ink by the barrel and far too many take them seriously.
I doubt that there is any such thing as a ‘moderate Republican’. That breed is either extinct or ‘going along to get along’.
agrippa
@fuckwit:
Fuckwit: agree on all points.
I think that they are nihilists.
They have no facts, no logic, no beliefs, no values. They have only blind passion.
Blind kittens.
WereBear
I think the Koch Brothers feel that they never would have amounted to anything unless they were born rich.
Instead of, oh, becoming incredible humanitarians, a force for good in the world, and write their names in the stars, they decided to fully invest in Dad’s Bircherism, and seek to impose that on the world.
We all make our choices.
WereBear
@agrippa: When I confront non-Tea Party Republicans with the outrageous things their Party does, I get:
I really don’t know how we can work that out.
Patrick
@Roger Moore:
Yup. A fix for old people. They did not even try fix anything for the rest of us Americans who are not retired. And that’s what the ACA is all about. And that’s what they claim they will repeal and fix. Sorry, when they didn’t even try do it when they were in charge 2000-2008, there is no chance in hell they will try next time they are in charge.
Violet
@WereBear: They’ll only start to see the horror of the Tea Party when it starts to hurt them. Otherwise, nothing will change. Typical Republicans–lack of empathy is their defining characteristic.
cckids
@efgoldman: You’ve got it. The best parenting advice I ever got was:
The only lesson a child needs to learn by the age of 5 is: THERE IS A WILL GREATER THAN THEIR OWN.
Everything else flows from that. The teabaggers & House Repubs have never learned it, therefore, they have a hard time with reality.
Felonius Monk
@Patrick: Medicare Part D was a gift to big Pharma. Yes, it does help people on Medicare to a degree, but it comes at a big price. This legislation made it virtualy impossible for anyone (old or young) to get cheaper medications from Canada and it prohibits the U.S. Gov from negotiating drug prices.
I had better and cheaper prescription drug coverage before Part D was implemented.
debbie
@Anya:
Google and you’ll see how much of a threat it was — or wasn’t.
PhoenixRising
@cckids: So, so true. That lesson, phrased to me as ‘If you wouldn’t tolerate it from an 8 year old, don’t take it from your 3 year old’, did me more good than all the books about parenting I read. Which was all of them.
Who’s in on a retroactive time out for the House Republicans? 1 minute for each year of age, on the steps so there is no one to play with/incite.
cckids
@PhoenixRising:
I like your version, too. Back when my daughter was 4, holy god was she hell on wheels. Scary smart, and so damn determined to always have her own way. And with both of us working & having an older son with serious health issues, we were so damn tired. The thing that kept me working with her rather than letting her have her own way was the thought “if she’s like this at 4, imagine her as a teenager!” So now, she is an amazing, mature 18-year old.
Put the Repubs in time out till the day after forever, for most of them it just won’t matter.
shortstop
Is this the IRA? I thought it was the UK…or just another tea party.
Chris
@WereBear:
I’m convinced that this is how Klansmen and Brownshirts thrive. All the Very Serious People going, “oh bless them, they’re just being exuberant. You don’t REALLY think they’d do these nasty things, do you? That nice Mr. Smith/Schmidt sits next to me I’m church, you know and he’s a wonderful man, very nice to his children. I’m sure he’d never do a thing like that. Besides, look who’s accusing him – all those rabble trousers from the union/civil rights movement/university! You can’t always trust what they say, you know!”
Luddite
@Ted & Hellen: Well Ass & Hole I don’t see anyone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read BJ. There is an ongoing Republican Circle Jerk at Red State blog and several Teabagger Douchebag blogs. No one here will miss you.
WereBear
@Chris: Yeah, and when Limbaugh spouts hateful, disgusting, things, they say he’s just a *@&#^ing entertainer.
Patrick
@Felonius Monk:
I couldn’t agree more. My point was just to somebody else that nothing whatsoever had been done by the GOP about health care for non-retired Americans when they were in charge. Why should anybody believe they would behave differently this time?
Felonius Monk
@Patrick:
They won’t behave any differently. You can take that to the bank.
shortstop
@Chris:
Best typo of the weekend!
Chris
@Villago Delenda Est:
That’s what I thought I remembered, thanks. So, much like Orson Scott Card fuming about the Ender’s Game boycott thinks he’s entitled to money, Papa Koch thought he was entitled to a lifelong contract from the Russians.
How do these people ever get started at all? Stomping your foot and telling your customers that you have a RIGHT to their money doesn’t seem like a sound business model.
Chris
@shortstop:
LOLOL glad you’re amused! Fucking smart phone typos…
shortstop
@Chris: I’m always telling my phone that people who think they’re the smartest ones in the room…invariably aren’t. So far it’s failed to take this lesson to heart.
Villago Delenda Est
@Chris:
The thing here is, Stalin did indeed pay him boatloads of money for his technology and expertise.
Stalin just refused to pay more boatloads for additional decades. Koch made out like a bandit by dealing with Stalin, but that wasn’t enough. He wanted still more.
He was like Monty Burns: “I’d give it all up for just a little bit more.”
Ken Burd
You know, you and the guy at “No More Mr. Nice Blog” have driven this point into the ground. It does the progressive side no good to whine about the same thing over and over. Writers like Charles Pierce, Tom Levenson, John Cole, Steve Benen and Mistermix bring some muscle to their pieces, making them effective. It is not effective to tell people the obvious, that the right wing writers you list are right wingers. We know that. But, man, you try to turn them into fearsome monsters. They are not. They are pitiful.
Chris
@Villago Delenda Est:
No, I got that. It just makes it doubly ridiculous. Thinking you’re entitled to a contract at all is silly. Nursing a grudge that the contract wasn’t longer when it’s already made you rich is the insanely petty part.
Mike G
@Violet:
The trouble with a government shutdown is it barely touches the teabagger base. They still get their Social Security, Medicare and VA services. Being selfish jerks they don’t give a crap if national parks or DC museums shut down, they weren’t going there anyway. It’s not a problem until it’s THEIR problem.
But if they had to miss one paycheck of their welfare-for-being-old, their economic terrorism would clam up fast.
dollared
@SatanicPanic: Moderate Republican: Buick.