Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

šŸŽ¶ Those boots were made for mockinā€™ šŸŽµ

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just donā€™t know how.

Everybody saw this coming.

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the GOP

Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

You canā€™t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

Prediction: the GOP will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

You donā€™t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

The words do not have to be perfect.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

The revolution will be supervised.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

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  1. 1.

    Hill Dweller

    Obama was hammering Stutzman(and the rest of the Republicans) during this morning’s appearance at a Rockville construction company.

  2. 2.

    currants

    Think it might actually be “Marlin” which is somehow even … ummm … funnier?

    ETA: okay, not funny at all. I was thinking “marlin” and Indiana’s lack of ocean and, well, no wonder he doesn’t know what it is, EVEN.

  5. 5.

    MattF

    Bongo drums! That’s what’s been missing all along! Believe it or not, just the other day I was thinking, ‘How come you never see anyone playing bongos anymore?’

  9. 9.

    Cervantes

    @Hill Dweller: Quotes:

    MARLIN STUTZMAN (R-IND): “We’re not going to be disrespected. … We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

    PRES. OBAMA: “You have already gotten the opportunity to serve the American people. There’s no higher honor than that. … You’ve already gotten the opportunity to help businesses like this one. Workers like these. So the American people aren’t in the mood to give you a goody bag to go with it. What you get is our intelligence professionals being back on the job. What you get is our medical researchers back on the job. What you get are little kids back in Head Start.”

  10. 10.

    TAPX486

    MSNBC guy just gave the GOPer Rancid Priebus the third degree. He kept asking why not pass a clean CR at the GOP spending levels and then argue all of these other issues as part of the normal order of business. Old Rancid would not answer. He danced like an organ grinders monkey. When asked why the GOP should get its way he answered well the GOP has the majority in the House. The newsie then staid that The dems have the majority in the senate and the white house. Rancid replied that Obama was acting unconstitutionally in what ewer he did. This went on for 10 minutes. If Rancid is the best the GOP has then we are in big trouble . And couldn’t the GOP get a spokesperson who doesn’t sound like his tightie whiteies are 4 sizes to small!!

    It was refreshing to see an anchor actually ask followup questions and not simply stop with the talking points i

  11. 11.

    Frankensteinbeck

    Oh, no, they know exactly what they’re rebelling against. They’re rebelling against having no choice but to shop in the same stores and even talk to blacks. They’re rebelling against being afraid of the law if they beat up or kill homosexuals. They’re rebelling against women not depending on what men give them (even their women are rebelling against this!) They’re rebelling against no one appreciating when they’re kind to their Lessers, against being mocked and shamed even for talking about Lessers, and against not being praised as righteous if they say god made them do it. Some of them have had to swallow these feelings for fifty years, and now they’re vomiting up their hate as a giant movement. Even basic kindness to your fellow man is their enemy, because that’s what we’ve used to chain down their hate.

  12. 12.

    Cervantes

    TAPX486: No, because wearing “tightie whiteies” four sizes too small is a defining characteristic of being a Republican nowadays.

  13. 13.

    Mr. Longform

    @TAPX486: I just have to say, one of the best things about reading sites like BJ is that I can get the summary of what goes on with things like Rinse Pregush interviews without subjecting my eyeballs and earballs to the horror; and I am grateful to you brave warriors who take this on so I don’t have to!

  15. 15.

    The Dangerman

    @Cervantes:

    MARLIN STUTZMAN (R-IND): ā€œWeā€™re not going to be disrespected. ā€¦ We have to get something out of this. And I donā€™t know what that even is.ā€

    “Here’s our final offer; you don’t get to swing from a lamppost.”

  20. 20.

    nemesis

    Looks like the reality of the wingnuttiness in the House that infects our ability to effectively govern has caught the attention of Wall Street today. Dow down 180.

    Expect more pain as the gop asks the mistress kindly for another.

  22. 22.

    russ

    “So the American people arenā€™t in the mood to give you a goody bag to go with it.”

    thats gonna leave a mark

  23. 23.

    Anoniminous

    @MattF:

    How come you never see anyone playing bongos anymore?

    Bongo players were hunted down and executed in 1965.

    Millions cheered.

  24. 24.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Schad:

    As long as it’s not called “Obamacare” (please to nevermind that THEY gave it that name) it’s OK with them.

    Issa is a tool. Oh, wait, tools are useful. Issa is a dipshit. Oh, wait, shit can be useful as fertilizer. Issa is a dunsel. That’s it. I think I’ve found it.

  25. 25.

    Elizabelle

    @MattF:

    I was glad to hear Mitch McConnell tell Rand Paul that Democrats were saying, in private as well, that they will not negotiate.

    Rand Paul: “We don’t want to be here” [but I think we’re going to win this].

    Dog, meet car you were chasing.

  27. 27.

    hoodie

    @Frankensteinbeck: “I think” sure gives a whiff of defeat. I don’t think it’s sunk in that Obama is not going to back down, but they may be starting to wonder. Unlike 2011, there is no reason for him to back down. The window slammed closed on the teatards with the disaster of the 2012 GOP primary, when all the greater lights of movement conservatism were shown to be a gaggle of freaks and all they had to fall back on was Mitt Romney, the only asshole craven enough to cater to their delusions.

  28. 28.

    piratedan

    @Anoniminous: well before the time of the MHA (Metropolitan Hipster Agency) which sought to capture those remaining bongo players and introduce them back into their natural habitats of smoke filled lounges in coffee houses up and down the Pacific coast and the enclave in the northwestern suburbs of Las Vegas….

  30. 30.

    Eric U.

    Obama should propose to change the name of the bill from the present “Obamacare” to something less catchy. Like “the affordable care act,” or even, “the health care system that was totally the republican’s idea.” That should make them feel like they’ve won some concessions. I think that naming it Obamacare was just asking for trouble

  31. 31.

    scav

    @Punchy: Is a walkback now nothing more than a “Whoops!” plus a sentence using the verb mispoke in it somewhere? (Stuntsman used misrepresented, ooOOOOOooo, but still). Nothing changed, he just grabbed the mike again to say “I’m like totally not as clueless as my last encounter with this technology makes me look!” and tossed on some well-rehearsed semi-germane boilerplate PR to the end. I probably just don’t understand some of the nuances of the sport, but in no way did he demonstrate that they know what they want out of this (besides all the cookies forever and ever, amen, and kowtow with an awed smile as you deliver them).

  32. 32.

    pamelabrown53

    @MattF: “Hot- mic oopsie”. So glad you posted that link. It should be on every MSM outlet. It certainly would be if it could be construed as an “embarrassing Obama hot-mic moment.

  33. 33.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Eric U.:

    The problem here is that the Rethugs gave it the name. Just like they called themselves “teabaggers” at the start of their vile racist movement.

    Yes, they are clueless.

    I’m at the point where I don’t think a beating with a clue-by-four is going to work, either.

  34. 34.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Schad: and @Villago Delenda Est:
    No, there are differences here, and from a Democrat/Republican perspective they’re huge. Issa doesn’t want a mandate, subsidies, or price controls. Obamacare has a loooooooot of price controls, and the mandate is one of the most powerful. We’re seeing Obamacare’s price controls working already. Issa’s plan has also been tried, and it leads to health care costs that spiral even worse than what we’ve been used to.

  37. 37.

    Randy P

    @Davis X. Machina: As a kid watching Gilligan’s Island, I always thought of Gilligan (Bob Denver, who also played Maynard Krebs in “Dobie Gillis”) as just the sidekick character. But when I watched a rerun many years later, I realized that he was probably the comic center of the show and in fact the show may have been intended as a vehicle for Denver.

    For all I know he may have had the same function in “Dobie Gillis” but I never saw that.

  38. 38.

    Hal

    Rinse Pubics was just on the boob tube arguing with Thomas Roberts. The man is such a disingenuous tool and more fill of shit than a ten day old adult diaper.

  39. 39.

    Suffern ACE

    @Elizabelle:

    Rand Paul: ā€œWe donā€™t want to be hereā€ ].

    Make’s two of us, Rand. I’m not happy that you are where you are either.

  40. 40.

    Tone in DC

    @Cervantes:

    So the American people arenā€™t in the mood to give you a goody bag to go with it. What you get is our intelligence professionals being back on the job. What you get is our medical researchers back on the job. What you get are little kids back in Head Start.ā€

    That’s gonna leave a mark.

  41. 41.

    TAPX486

    One of the economist regulars on MSNBC, Jared Bernstein, just put a number to a debt ceiling breach. Investors tack on a risk premium to the interest rate if they think the borrower may default. Given our 12 trillion dollar public debt, a 1% risk premium adds 120 billion dollars a year to the nations borrowing cost. Maybe we should put it into terms that the GOP can understand – do they realize how many bombs for use against Syria and Iran 120 billion dollars would buy.?

  42. 42.

    Suffern ACE

    @Frankensteinbeck: Yep. Yeah. It sounds so painless. Just go without insurance until you get sick and then try to buy it on the market that is full of other people who did the same thing. But it sounds so appealing without the mandate. Freeedom! It feels so good!

  44. 44.

    dmsilev

    This is interesting:

    With a budget deal still elusive and a deadline approaching on raising the debt ceiling, Speaker John A. Boehner has told colleagues that he is determined to prevent a federal default and is willing to pass a measure through a combination of Republican and Democratic votes, according one House Republican.

    The lawmaker, who spoke on the condition of not being named, said Mr. Boehner indicated he would be willing to violate the so-called Hastert rule if necessary to pass a debt limit increase. The informal rule refers to a policy of not bringing to the floor any measure that does not have a majority of Republican votes.

    Now taking bets on how long it will be before conservatives resume their “Boehner is going to sell us out!” baying. And of course the story doesn’t mention whether Boehner would continue to try to seek concessions from the Democrats in return for doing his damn job and not kicking the global economy in the nuts.

  45. 45.

    Mandalay

    Well at least the Dow is rallying….only 140 points down now.

    Once the CEOs and Wall Street start dumping hard on the Republicans they’ll crack.

  47. 47.

    dmsilev

    This, at TPM, is hilarious:

    The top four Senate Democrats jestingly apologized Thursday to Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) after the congressman said Republicans were not to be “disrespected” and must win something in return for keeping the government open.

    “I want to apologize for anything I may have said that disrespected Marlin Stutzman,” Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) told reporters at a leadership press availability.

    Similar apologies were offered by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), who then called on Stutzman to stop disrespecting Americans harmed by the shutdown and agree to reopen the government.

    Murray offered a “group hug” if it would help console the congressman.

  48. 48.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @ranchandsyrup: and @dmsilev:
    I honestly wish they hadn’t printed that. I think Boehner’s prissy alcoholic kindergarten pride is the major obstacle against resolving the CR, and telling the world that he’s weaker than Obama and Reid just motivates him to throw another tantrum.

  49. 49.

    MattF

    @dmsilev: So, I suppose one of the items on the Bill of Impeachment will be “Forcing John Boehner to behave in a rational manner.”

  51. 51.

    Mandalay

    @dmsilev:

    And of course the story doesnā€™t mention whether Boehner would continue to try to seek concessions from the Democrats

    No concessions at all would be a great message to send. Not only no goody bag, but kick them really hard while they’re down. Enough.

  52. 52.

    scav

    @dmsilev: That. Is.

    and compare this tone with the increasingly amusing spats between the GOoPers and the media . . . one of the kabuki teams is not feeling it’s going well.

  53. 53.

    Schad

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    My assumption was that even the idiots currently vandalizing the House would realize that there would need to be a way compelling buy-in, but I suppose that is a bit of an ask.

  54. 54.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @dmsilev:
    Okay, THIS I’ve never seen. There are rules for how congressmen are allowed to be snotty to each other, and now the powerful holdouts for Comity Of The Chamber are breaking them. I don’t know what it means, but it means something big.

  55. 55.

    TAPX486

    @Suffern ACE: . Simple solution. If you show up at the ER w/o insurance, we will give you Calgary Cruz’s phone number. His wife can just you as a dependent on her gold plated plan.

  57. 57.

    dmsilev

    @Mandalay: I saw one suggestion that the concession the Democrats should offer is to print up T-shirts reading “I voted for a clean CR and all I got was this lousy T-shirt” and give those to the GOP.

  58. 58.

    dmsilev

    @Frankensteinbeck: I think the Senate, and the Democrats in general, have reached the ‘don’t give a shit’ point in terms of decorum dealing with the House GOP. Hard to blame them really.

    EDIT: Just out at TPM is another example of Reid slapping Boehner in the face:

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) told reporters Thursday that Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) expressed his support privately last month for a “clean” continuing resolution to prevent a government shutdown.
    […]
    The Democratic leader said Boehner was thwarted by his conservative wing, which demanded concessions to keep the government open. “He doesn’t have the courage to stand up to this small band of anarchists,” he said.

  60. 60.

    Dexter

    Also at TPM:

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) told reporters Thursday that Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) expressed his support privately last month for a “clean” continuing resolution to prevent a government shutdown.

    He said the two leaders negotiated and agreed to fund the government at current sequestration levels of roughly $986.3 billion, which he said Democrats “hated” but were willing to accept to avoid shutdown.

    “That was my concession to get this done cleanly,” Reid said.

    Another knife at Boehner’s back.

  62. 62.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    You make the totally unwarranted by the facts at hand assumption that the Rethuglican slime will behave in a rational manner.

    I’m pretty much convinced that the only thing they’ll respond to is physical pain.

    So start beating them about the head and shoulders with clue by fours.

    Then kick their worthless neo-confederate asses to the curb and leave them to exsanguinate there.

  63. 63.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Boner will welsh on that promise as well, I assure you.

    He’s spending what little credibility he has with Reid and Pelosi like a poet on payday.

    He’s already in the running for worse Speaker, ever, and he’s going to lose his fucking dream job and be consigned to the toxic waste disposal facility of history.

  64. 64.

    ellie

    My sister is a postmaster in a rural town in Ohio and reported that seniors did not receive their SS checks in the mail today although my mom, who has direct deposit did. Not sure if this is a glitch or because of the shutdown.

  65. 65.

    Southern Beale

    I thought his name was Marlin, not Martin. Like the fish.

    My takeaway:

    Democrats compromised by ditching single payer, we compromised with the Hyde Amendment, we compromised by ditching the public option and going with the exchanges instead, and Republicans still shut down the government because they want something else, they just arenā€™t sure what.

    There will not be a political solution to a psychological problem, folks.

    Agree?

  66. 66.

    Brian R.

    Speaking of asshole Republicans, watch this.

    A Republican congressman who literally is responsible for the closing of Parks Service sites had the balls to tell a Parks Service employee that she — and not he — should be “ashamed” for the Park Service site being closed.

    The sheer assholery of these fucking guys is amazing.

  68. 68.

    Mandalay

    Peter King claimed this morning that there are now 25 house Republicans willing to vote for a clean bill. The pressure on Boehner is building.

    King is still an asshole, but he doesn’t waffle or bullshit, and he clearly isn’t scared of anyone. I think he is the only politician on either side who has enhanced his reputation in the past couple of weeks.

  69. 69.

    Hill Dweller

    @Dexter:

    Another knife at Boehnerā€™s back.

    Denny Hasert said the “Hasert Rule”, which the weeping buffoon keeps using, is essentially something he pulled out of his ass, and doesn’t need to be used on every piece of legislation.

  71. 71.

    Anoniminous

    Everything you need to understand House TeaBaggers is here: Profile of the Sociopath.

    Some highlights:

    Grandiose Sense of Self – Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

    Pathological Lying – Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt – A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature – Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

  72. 72.

    scav

    @Brian R.: turns out it’s a lot easier to support terrorists (and hard-line political govternments, as an aside) when all the bomby things and dead people are an ocean away. All the moral fervor-high and purity, none of the physical consequences.

  73. 73.

    Hill Dweller

    @Brian R.:

    A Republican congressman who literally is responsible for the closing of Parks Service sites had the balls to tell a Parks Service employee that she ā€” and not he ā€” should be ā€œashamedā€ for the Park Service site being closed.

    The congressman looks like an asshole to you and me, but there are wingnuts all over the internets defending him in comment sections…even on liberal blogs.

    Reality is irrelevant to these people.

  75. 75.

    Gene108

    @Elizabelle:

    The implication of Mitch’s comment is Republicans do not say the same thing in public as they do in private.

    Their public utterances are poll tested talking points.

  76. 76.

    TAPX486

    Hope springs eternal so I hope Boehner is playing 3 level checkers. He knew that the GOP was divided between crazies and cowards. The crazies were hungry for blood so he gave them the shutdown as a hostage. He also knew the cowards would hide in the closet. So the tea party has their hostage. At 11:55 pm on Oct. 17th he will offer a clean cr to open the government and raise the debt ceiling. It will pass mostly with democratic votes.

    Now the crazies will line him up against the wall and shot him. But from his perspective he can only die once and the most important hill to die on is the debt ceiling. If on the other hand he chose to die on the shutdown hill, then there would still be the need to feed the blood lust and the hostage would be the debt limit. A two week gov’t shutdown is bad but a debt default is the full on WWII nuclear exchange to the economy.

    And yes I really really believe in the tooth fairy and tinker bell, but I hope that is Boehner’s end game. At least it gets us past the debt cieling

  79. 79.

    amk

    @Mandalay: BS. For all his braggadocio, the coward still fell in line and voted with his clown posse. Only pol on either side ? Guess the dems didn’t do enough for ya?

  80. 80.

    Roger Moore

    @Mandalay:

    I think he is the only politician on either side who has enhanced his reputation in the past couple of weeks.

    I don’t know; I think Harry Reid has shown a lot more backbone than anyone thought he possessed. The Senate Democrats have stuck to the line much tighter than the House Democrats, which was not the expected outcome. I think that’s helped Reid’s reputation.

  81. 81.

    Mandalay

    @amk:

    Only pol on either side ? Guess the dems didnā€™t do enough for ya?

    No, I don’t see any Democrat who has enhanced their image or reputation in the past couple of weeks. No serious fuckups, but they have hardly been impressive IMO.

  82. 82.

    Anoniminous

    Hee, hee, hee:

    Just got my hands on Cantor’s Thurs memo to House Rs: “We are really in an unprecedented place,” he writes. O “refusing to actively engage” ā€” @robertcostaNRO

  86. 86.

    Mandalay

    @Roger Moore:

    I think Harry Reid has shown a lot more backbone than anyone thought he possessed.

    Well that is damning him with faint praise. what choice did Reid have? He did the only thing he could do. Good for him and all that, but he was only doing his job. Maybe I am missing something….why was “backbone” required?

  89. 89.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mandalay:

    Good for him and all that, but he was only doing his job.

    And yet you praise Peter King for refusing to do his job and only belatedly coming around to, again, doing his job.

  90. 90.

    burnspbesq

    In which makers also take: the creator of Beanie Babies pled guilty to income tax evasion yesterday. Although he only (?!) evaded tax on approximately $3.2 million of income, in addition to jail time he is reportedly also facing over $50 million in civil penalties for failing to disclose foreign bank accounts.

    Schadenfreudelicious.

  92. 92.

    Mandalay

    @Roger Moore:

    Shorter Mandalay: The Democrats havenā€™t improved their reputation because I expected perfection.

    Again, why did Reid show “backbone”?

  95. 95.

    Feudalism Now!

    The media has started to let the idiocy shine through without trying to massage a message out. There is no message to massage, so now we get pure unfiltered stupidity, with an occasional warning question for the exceptionally stupid, ex. Chuck Todd calling out A Gooper over the congress not having to abide by Obamacare.

  98. 98.

    fka AWS

    @Roger Moore:

    I think Harry Reid has shown a lot more backbone than anyone thought he possessed.

    Reid is a former boxer. He’s shown backbone before, and he does have a biting wit.

  100. 100.

    burnspbesq

    @burnspbesq:

    ETA: Ty was amazingly stupid. After filing a fraudulent return for 2002 in which he failed to report the income on his UBS account (about which he never told his accountants), he later filed an amended return on which he claimed a $39 million NOL carryback. Did he really think that the filing of that amended return wouldn’t trigger some serious scrutiny?

    Headdesk.

  101. 101.

    Mandalay

    @burnspbesq:

    Your expectations are absurd

    I don’t have any “expectations”. I just said that I thought King is the only politician who has enhanced his reputation over the shutdown. It’s nothing to do with my opinions about the shutdown. If you think any other politician has enhanced their reputation then let’s hear it.

  102. 102.

    scav

    Mandalay only counts it a proper job being done if a spotlight and a sound bite are involved. The meetings, negotiations, herding of cats, unleashing of snarky hugging cats, votes on the floor, all that doesn’t count. Spotlights and Soundbite!!!

  104. 104.

    fka AWS

    @Mandalay:

    No, I donā€™t see any Democrat who has enhanced their image or reputation in the past couple of weeks. No serious fuckups, but they have hardly been impressive IMO.

    Stupidest comment award for the day, right there.

  106. 106.

    amk

    @scav: aka bully pulpit. The firebaggers’ only approved political tool. (which the kenyan has also been using quite effectively, but why give the kenyan the credit?)

  109. 109.

    Mandalay

    @scav:

    Mandalay only counts it a proper job being done if a spotlight and a sound bite are involved.

    Not at all. But just because you believe Reid & co are doing are great job, it does not mean that the public necessarily agrees with you. And ditto for the supporters of Cruz & Co.

    But feel free to be poutraged, and continue making stuff up.

  110. 110.

    burnspbesq

    @fka AWS:

    According to published reports, when Ty opened his account with UBS, he instructed the bank to hold his statements for pickup, and then didn’t tell the accountants that he had the account. I don’t know what more the accountants could have done. They were used.

    That was a fairly common fact pattern in UBS cases. People hid the accounts from their return preparers. And in most return prepration software the answer to the question on Schedule B about foreign bank accounts defaults to “no.”

  113. 113.

    Roger Moore

    @Mandalay:

    Again, why did Reid show ā€œbackboneā€?

    By standing up to the Republicans’ demands. He could have caved, which would show lack of backbone, or stood up to them, which would show backbone. He could have gone somewhere inbetween, too, with one or two defections from the Democratic caucus, or with some kind of flailing around with obscure Senate rules that would have sent an ambiguous message. Instead, Reid kept the whole caucus on the same page, made a fool of Ted Cruz, and figured out how to keep the Senate Republicans from turning the whole thing into a dog and pony show. Given the number of people who expected the Senate to be the weak point in the Democrats’ operation, I’d say that Reid has done a much better than expected job.

  114. 114.

    scav

    @Mandalay: Oddly enough, I’m spending most of the day giggling at the flailing of the party you admire for excellence in PR and don’t look to the public for personal validation of what I think. Outrage!? I haven’t laughed so hard in years. Congressional Group Hugs!

    I also rather assume the real work on getting this shit unravelled is taking place behind some closed doors, some of which seem to be rightfully slammed in a few faces.

  115. 115.

    fka AWS

    @scav:

    I also rather assume the real work on getting this shit unravelled is taking place behind some closed doors, some of which seem to be rightfully slammed in a few faces.

    Apparently, there was much laughter when Boehner proposed a face-saving maneuver at a meeting last night.

  117. 117.

    burnspbesq

    @catclub:

    Net operating loss. If a taxpayer sustains a NOL in a given year, it can generally carry it back a couple of years and then carry it forward a number of years to offset income in those years. NOL carrybacks often result in refunds of tax paid in the earlier years.

  118. 118.

    fka AWS

    @burnspbesq:

    I donā€™t know what more the accountants could have done. They were used.

    Yeah, just to be clear, I wasn’t blaming any accountants. Just what a stupid person with so much money.

  119. 119.

    nemesis

    Hard to tell if the Dems are knifing Orange Foolius or throwing him a rope. Several stories about Foolius being amenable to a clean CR are floating around. Seems like there is some disinfo coming out about him in order to recast his image a bit.
    Yet, some pointed words are being vollied Boehners way that cant be ignored. Would appear he is being singled out as a possible rational negotiator, while simultaneously being painted as a clueless tool of Ted Cruze. Its greta fun to watch.

  122. 122.

    Bill Arnold

    @TAPX486:

    But from his perspective he can only die once and the most important hill to die on is the debt ceiling. ….
    And yes I really really believe in the tooth fairy and tinker bell, but I hope that is Boehnerā€™s end game. At least it gets us past the debt ceiling

    I’ve been hoping this too, that he’s man enough and loves his country enough to do this.

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