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Aww, Poor Baby

by John Cole|  October 13, 20133:00 pm| 135 Comments

This post is in: Clown Shoes, DC Press Corpse, Our Failed Media Experiment

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Such a shame, really:

Call it a shot across the bow, perhaps. But White House press secretary Jay Carney pointedly left Fox News Chief White House Correspondent Ed Henry out of the queue at a Friday press conference, leaving Henry sputtering.

Henry left before the end of the meeting after trying unsuccessfully to ask a question several times, according to Mediaite.

The exchange, or lack of one, followed a contentious session on Wednesday in which Henry essentially accused the president of being indifferent to the families of servicemembers killed in action. The Wednesday exchange between Carney and Henry over the restoration of military death benefits centered on Henry repeatedly asking when Obama “learn[ed] specifically that the military death benefits would not be paid,” the tone becoming more confrontational with each back and forth between Henry and Carney.

My all time favorite Ed Henry moment:

Remember, what Henry was grilling Obama was why he didn’t run to the mics quicker to express outrage at AIG.

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  1. 1.

    gnomedad

    October 13, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Mr. President, have you stopped beating your wife hating the troops yet?

  2. 2.

    trollhattan

    October 13, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I hope Helen Thomas’ ghost is haunting special Ed, nightly.

  3. 3.

    gogol's wife

    October 13, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    What’s that lovely word I learned here? Backpfeifengesicht?

  4. 4.

    Anoniminous

    October 13, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Not taking Henry’s questions means Carney is stymieing Fox’s ability to shape the story. Good for him. Need to stop giving those jerkwads ammunition.

  5. 5.

    pseudonymous in nc

    October 13, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    If Henry wants to ask a question, he ought to get a job with a news organisation.

  6. 6.

    JordanRules

    October 13, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    That buster shouldn’t be allowed near high school journalism. Shame transplants should be mandatory under Obamacare.

    Stillers being a pro team again today. Well, I’ll be…

  7. 7.

    RobertDSC-iPhone 4

    October 13, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    It should be this way for the rest of 44’s term and every Democratic President’s term thereafter.

  8. 8.

    c u n d gulag

    October 13, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Ed Henry is finally at home – the Mental Institution for Sh*tty Newspeople, that is FUX Noise.

  9. 9.

    Roger Moore

    October 13, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    @JordanRules:

    Shame transplants should be mandatory under Obamacare.

    Where are they going to find enough donors to transplant the whole Republican party?

  10. 10.

    dmsilev

    October 13, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    What’s that lovely word I learned here? Backpfeifengesicht?

    ‘A face that cries out for a fist in it’. German can be such an _expressive_ language.

  11. 11.

    TAPX486

    October 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    But it does give Fux and Fiends, limpdick, and britebait a shiny new toy to play with next week.

  12. 12.

    trollhattan

    October 13, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Heh. Bet Nooners is knocking down a few belts after this encounter with Kruthulu.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/13/krugman-lectures-noonan-on-gop-hostage-taking-nothing-like-this-ever-happened-before/

  13. 13.

    Redshirt

    October 13, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Why not just ignore Fox entirely? I mean really, why not? Is there a cost to pay? Would they cover the Administration less favorably? Is there something that requires government officials to answer questions from Fox?

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    The Boxer and the Baller: Reid and Obama’s Unlikely Bond

    The relationship between the Senate majority leader and the president helps explain why Democrats have been so unified during the shutdown fight.

    Perhaps the biggest disappointment about Barack Obama’s presidency has been his failure to build on relationships forged when he was a member of the Senate. In his fifth year in office, his legislative agenda has benefited little from his four years spent with other lawmakers in the Senate gym, at committee hearings, and on overseas trips. Almost forgotten is how high the hopes were when Obama became only the third president elevated to the Oval Office directly from a Senate seat, following Warren Harding and John Kennedy.

    On Inauguration Day 2009, there was talk of friendships that crossed the aisle. Ninety-one of the senators had served with Obama. Today, after five years of struggle to push his agenda, the Senate stands as the Democratic bulwark on Capitol Hill against a hostile Republican House. But the hopes that the president could gain from personal ties dissipated almost as fast as his comrades fled Washington. Historic turnover means that almost half of today’s senators never served with Obama, 45 having been elected since he moved down Pennsylvania Avenue.

    But today’s budget battle brings into surprising focus the one personal relationship formed when he was a senator that has endured and is key to understanding the president’s stance on the government shutdown and the showdown over the debt ceiling. The fight has cast a bright spotlight on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. While Vice President Joe Biden was the deal-maker in the last budget showdown, this time it is the pugnacious Reid who is calling the shots on the Democratic strategy to rebuff Republican calls for negotiation.

    Without a doubt, the Obama-Reid pairing is an unlikely one—the president who always tries to avoid fights and the senator who always seems to look for them. Certainly, no one talked on that Inauguration Day about an Obama-Reid friendship. The two men are just so different in age, life experiences, and personality. But inside the Obama White House, they fully understand that the success of Obama’s second term may well be determined by the Nevada Democrat who has been majority leader since 2007. “They really are of the same mind on the major issues,” a senior White House official tells National Journal. “We are closer today than at any time in decades through different presidents and different majority leaders.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/the-boxer-and-the-baller-reid-and-obama-s-unlikely-bond-20131010

  15. 15.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    What Kentucky’s Obamacare Success Might Mean in 2014
    By John Tozzi October 08, 2013

    If you want to see how the success or failure of the Affordable Care Act might shape the nation’s future electoral battles, watch Kentucky.

    The state’s health-insurance exchange, Kynect, stood out for having worked smoothly in the week after most other marketplaces opened around the country with glitches and delays. The Bluegrass State happens to be home to two Republicans who serve as some of Obamacare’s biggest foes in the U.S. Senate: Mitch McConnell, the minority leader up for reelection next year, and Rand Paul, the libertarian Tea Party ally eying a run for the White House.

    Behind Kentucky’s exchange is Governor Steve Beshear, a second-term Democrat who decided to build the exchange over the objections of state Republicans. Beshear argued in a New York Times op-ed last month that Kentucky’s “horrendous” health status meant the state urgently needed the Affordable Care Act to help expand insurance coverage to 600,000 people. He also took a jab at “naysayers” who “pour time, money and energy into overturning or defunding the Affordable Care Act.” McConnell and Paul hit back last week, writing in their own op-ed, “Obamacare might sell in New York, but Kentuckians aren’t buying it.”

    The problem for the Republicans, though, is that Kentuckians are buying it—in fact, the Kentucky exchange has, so far, enrolled more patients than any other. By Monday afternoon, 6,946 families had enrolled in plans through Kynect and the website had handled 3.1 million page views, according to the governor’s office. Soon after the launch, Beshear was talking to CNN’s Sanjay Gupta and MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, making the red-state governor a visible public face of Obamacare.

    Kentuckians aren’t particularly ideological, says Stephen Voss, an associate professor of political science at the University of Kentucky. Despite Rand Paul’s Tea Party ties, Voss says, the conservative movement hasn’t been strong in the state, and most voters are practical. “Moderate, technocratic Democrats have done very well here, and will continue to do so,” he says. Registered Democrats actually outnumber Republicans in the state, but Kentucky has gone red in every presidential race since 2000.

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-08/what-kentuckys-obamacare-success-might-mean-in-2014#r=pol-ls

  16. 16.

    gogol's wife

    October 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    @trollhattan:

    She doesn’t seem fazed at all by it. She just keeps spouting her lies.

  17. 17.

    aimai

    October 13, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc: Golf claps.

  18. 18.

    Anoniminous

    October 13, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    @Redshirt:

    Why not just ignore Fox entirely?

    Exactly what Carney did.

  19. 19.

    Davis X. Machina

    October 13, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    She just keeps spouting her lies.

    Checks still keep clearing, too. Strange, that.

  20. 20.

    Redshirt

    October 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    @Anoniminous: This time. Why not, always? In all regards. Completely freeze out the Propaganda Network.

    Is that setting some dangerous precedent?

  21. 21.

    Roger Moore

    October 13, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    @rikyrah:
    So the Democrats are trying to implement their policy and will win or lose depending on whether people like the results. It’s almost as if elections have consequences, and those consequences affect future elections. That’s crazy talk. We all know that elections are supposed to be a time where people express their tribal allegiance and the bigger tribe wins.

  22. 22.

    Hill Dweller

    October 13, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Once again, Republicans shut down the government, but attack everyone else for the consequences. Special Ed’s shameless accusation is every bit as hypocritical as the House wingnuts protesting the closing of national parks.

  23. 23.

    Gex

    October 13, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    @Hill Dweller: I’m going back to calling them Teabaggers. It so perfectly demonstrates their clulessness, their ability to blame everyone else for their own mistakes, and how they always consider themselves the victim.

  24. 24.

    Professor

    October 13, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Have you forgotten the time the White House wanted to freeze out Fox from the Press briefings and Jake Tapper said then that the rest would boycott the briefings because ‘Fox is our Sister Organisation’?

  25. 25.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 13, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Another vile piece of Ailes Ministry of Propaganda shit for whom my heart pumps buttermilk.

  26. 26.

    Anoniminous

    October 13, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    @Redshirt:

    The precedent of not calling on reporters so the Spokesperson doesn’t have to answer their question goes back – at least – to Upton Sinclair and the EPIC campaign of 1934. Sinclair developed it into a strategy that pissed off and frightened Hearst so badly he shot a anti-EPIC propaganda film that was run as a “News Short” in every movie theater in California.

    In this case ignoring Henry has – for me & YMMV – zero pushback. Fox News does not have a broad demographic nor do they have a large and diverse mass audience. Regular Fox News watchers aren’t ever going to vote for a Democratic candidate. Ignoring Henry means Fox cannot shape the story presentation into their standard anti-Obama context for sometime watchers.

    Personally, I think “freezing out” Fox News reporters is brilliant and should be carried through by ALL Democratic Spokespeople, candidate, etc.

    ETA: @Professor:

    Yeah. Right. ABC News isn’t going to cover the President of the United States.

    And the pigs slowly wing their way on their annual migration to Alabama.

  27. 27.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 13, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    @Redshirt:

    Is that setting some dangerous precedent?

    All Carney needs to say to Henry is “I’m sorry, but I don’t speak Lower Whale Shit.”

  28. 28.

    Kay

    October 13, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    @rikyrah:

    and the senator who always seems to look for them

    he’s been hugely entertaining. Every time I turn anything on, I seem to hear him. Last night he led with: “they’ve made fools of themselves..”

    I know it’s unintentionally so, but it’s really funny. Just SO blunt.

  29. 29.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 13, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    @trollhattan:

    I’d say “fuck Nooners”, but then again, I wouldn’t fuck her with the dick of anyone here, to include Gex.

  30. 30.

    Botsplainer

    October 13, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    OT, but I just want to point out that today’s Palin-Cruz rally is exactly why McCain didn’t allow her up on stage after getting thumped in 08.

    Crusty old fucker knew she’d try and make the country ungovernable

  31. 31.

    aimai

    October 13, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    @Anoniminous: There’s no downside to freezing Fox out. All that Henry or the others are doing is using the press conference to push poll certain kinds of insinuations and questions to an audience larger than the actual Fox audience. If they can’t do that they will continue to agitate and smear on Fox, but at least the other agencies which are broadcasting the press conference as a press conference won’t be simultaneously doing Fox’s dirty work for them by broadcasting these cavuto mark style questions “Mr. President, are you the worst president ever, or just the most evil?”

  32. 32.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    @Botsplainer:

    “I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up,” said Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch, a conservative political advocacy group.

  33. 33.

    burnspbesq

    October 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    I normally find Villago’s violent, eliminationist rhetoric to be absurdly over the top.

    I’m prepared to make an exception where Mr. Henry is concerned.

    Hanging would be a waste of a perfectly good piece of rope.

  34. 34.

    JordanRules

    October 13, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    @Botsplainer: Too bad he didn’t figure that out a wee bit sooner.

    I still shudder thinking about her as Veep. The House is already such an embarrasment right now. So much so that I almost, almost, forgot about the recent precedent of a completely embarassing executive. Shout out to Dubya!

  35. 35.

    MikeJ

    October 13, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    If I were Jay Carney I’d invite a reporter from Highlights magazine, seat her next to Ed, and call on her. Republicans act like Goofus.

  36. 36.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Jeffrey Goldberg ✔ @JeffreyGoldberg

    In many parts of America, waving a Confederate flag outside the home of a black family would be considered a very hostile act.
    1:48 PM – 13 Oct 2013

  37. 37.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 13, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    (It’s called mirroring…I’m mirroring the teatards).

  38. 38.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    October 13, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I tend to call it boring and tedious.

  39. 39.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Nerdy Wonka @NerdyWonka

    That moment the GOP proudly hold the Confederate flag (a banner of racism & slavery) outside the Black POTUS’s home.
    1:50 PM – 13 Oct 2013

    Nerdy Wonka @NerdyWonka

    Yes Republicans, waving a Confederate flag outside the Black President’s home is a great way to convince America that you’re not racist.
    1:58 PM – 13 Oct 2013

  40. 40.

    JordanRules

    October 13, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    @raven: Hmph.
    They spelled his last name wrong. Replace that Y with an N and let’s just keep this thing all the way live.

  41. 41.

    Roger Moore

    October 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    @rikyrah:

    In many parts of America, waving a Confederate flag outside the home of a black family would be considered a very hostile act.

    They’re only doing it because they aren’t allowed to burn a cross.

  42. 42.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Roger Simon ✔ @politicoroger

    Racism comes out of closet (as if it were ever in) as protesters hoist Confederate flag outside WH today.
    1:44 PM – 13 Oct 2013

  43. 43.

    Baud

    October 13, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Party of Lincoln.

  44. 44.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    @JordanRules: It pisses me off enough that there are all kinds of Nam Vet hats with him and then I saw a hokie hat too!

  45. 45.

    dogwood

    October 13, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    The kooks are waving confederate flags in front of the White House. I imagine cross burnings are next.

  46. 46.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    As I said in the last thread, the asshole carrying the Confederate flag is also carrying a USMC flag. This is being called the “Million Vet March.” I’d like to see just one actual vet show up at this confab and open a Marine-sized can of whoop-ass on this punk.

  47. 47.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Lee Fang @lhfang

    Waving a Confederate flag at the home of a black family isn’t okay anywhere. It’s a threat of violence.
    2:52 PM – 13 Oct 2013

    Mark Harris @MarkHarrisNYC

    Confederate flags flying outside the White House and protesters yelling “Go home!” Proud moment for you, GOP.
    2:25 PM – 13 Oct 2013

  48. 48.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    And PS, I’m seeing on LGF that RWers are taking to Twitter and insisting that the guy carrying the CSA flag is a liberal plant. Amazing how many liberal plants show up at these Tea Party gatherings, and how well they’re treated by the other folks there.

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    October 13, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    To be fair, the rope can be reused.

  50. 50.

    beltane

    October 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    @dogwood: We should thank them for letting us know the true nature of their allegiance to the USA. The real question is: Why should traitors have any say in how this country is governed?

  51. 51.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    @Ash Can: “This is an insult to us,” he said. “We’ve laid our lives on the line in the Marine Corps since there was a Marine Corps. We fought in every campaign that the Marine Corps has been involved in. When I was in Vietnam, there were Confederate flags at every base, every fire-support base over there. Nobody said anything about it. There were state flags, Confederate flags, and it was no big deal.”

    http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2010/05/us_marines_boot_recruits_with.html

  52. 52.

    beltane

    October 13, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    @Ash Can: Maybe right-wingers do not really exist. They are all just liberal plants conjured up by the Kenyan Usurper.

  53. 53.

    Another Botsplainer

    October 13, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    @raven: Yes, but what does Pat Lang think ?

  54. 54.

    Anoniminous

    October 13, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    @aimai:

    That’s my position as well. Not being Cruz-ified (a rare, but annoying, cognitive dysfunction) I’m willing to admit I’ve blown the analysis and be talked out it by cogent argument.

    @raven:

    “Our constitutional rights are being taken away,” Thompkins said. “People made the ultimate sacrifice, and they should be open to the public, open to everyone to come down here and see this. This is ridiculous. This is not just and not fair. It’s just not fair.”

    If you want Federal government buildings and etc. to stay open don’t shut down the Federal government. Dumbass.

  55. 55.

    AdamK

    October 13, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    @Roger Moore: They won’t get it from me, that’s for damn sure, because I got none.

  56. 56.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    The moron in picture #7 isn’t wearing any USMC stuff.

  57. 57.

    beltane

    October 13, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    @Anoniminous: Where is it written that there is a Constitutional right to view a statue? It would be sad if the only reason people served their country was for the right to view a statue.

  58. 58.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    @Another Botsplainer:

    s Sale writes, the political situation in the US from the 1830s to the outbreak of the Civil War is a close analog of the present situation. Today, there are quite a few commentators who, like Richard Sale, raise the issue of the “duty” of dissenting political forces to submit to the will of the majority. Some do not hesitate to call the dissenters neo-Confederates. I would say to them that if they want their opponents to think of themselves that way, all that is necessary is to keep calling them that. I would not have shut down the government over this set of issues, but the Tea Party types have done nothing illegal or unconstitutional. In 1860 Southerners finally decided that the choices left to them were submission or secession. pl

  59. 59.

    Gravenstone

    October 13, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    @burnspbesq: That’s the nice thing about rope, its reusable.

  60. 60.

    lamh36

    October 13, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    @Ash Can: Liberal plant, and yet nobody bothered to tell him “hey take that shit down”!

  61. 61.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Wreaths for our Vietnam War Dead, outside Arlington’s locked Gates
    Dewey Canyon III, April 19, 1971

  62. 62.

    TAPX486

    October 13, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    @Ash Can: Given the number of liberal plants and thugs hired by Obama to heckle Calgary Cruz, why is unemployment still over 7%?

  63. 63.

    Yatsuno

    October 13, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    @TAPX486: Unpaid Dummocrat interns, natch.

  64. 64.

    Another Botsplainer

    October 13, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    @raven: Well OK.

  65. 65.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    @raven: Yep. More people are speaking out about Confederate flag waving being fucked up, and Confederate America haz a sad.

    You can tell that a website is run by assholes whenever the term “PC” appears anywhere in the heading. Anyone complaining about political correctness is just butthurt about being called out for acting like a schmuck.

  66. 66.

    scav

    October 13, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    “Our constitutional rights are being taken away,” Thompkins said. “People made the ultimate sacrifice, and they should be open to the public, open to everyone to come down here and see this. This is ridiculous. This is not just and not fair. It’s just not fair.”

    Moochers want shit for free, so long as poor & babies don’t don’t get food and health care? Greatness in all its Exceptionality!

  67. 67.

    PsiFighter37

    October 13, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    @rikyrah: That can’t be a good sign for the Teabaggers when even Roger Fucking Simon starts saying sane things.

  68. 68.

    Anoniminous

    October 13, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    @beltane:

    Beats the heck outta me. The same place they get the rest of their bullshit re: U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights?

    ETA: @scav:

    The little brats need to stop sucking at Mommies nipple and GET A JOB – MOOCHER! like everybody else.

  69. 69.

    gene108

    October 13, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    @Redshirt:

    Why not just ignore Fox entirely? I mean really, why not? Is there a cost to pay? Would they cover the Administration less favorably? Is there something that requires government officials to answer questions from Fox?

    Obama Admin tried this in 2009.

    The rest of the MSM rallied behind Fox News and pressured Obama to treat Fox News like the rest of the DC press corp.

    I wonder how the MSM will react to this snub?

    If they say nothing and let Carney do this to Henry, I really think the whole Republican establishment nexus – media, think tanks and politicians – have overplayed their hand to force a budget crisis to undermine Obamacare and may really have set themselves apart as a bunch of extremists, who can be safely ignored.

  70. 70.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    @raven: Here you go.

  71. 71.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    @Ash Can: Same dude, huh. Funny he don’t look confederate!

  72. 72.

    Yatsuno

    October 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    @raven: Don’t talk to me about Dawgs. I, sir, know Dawgs, and that right there ain’t no Dawg.

  73. 73.

    Another Botsplainer

    October 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    @Ash Can: OT, Wow ! Goldie Taylor, very nice.

  74. 74.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    @Ash Can: Of course you are right but I can tell you I saw those flags every where I went in the Nam. Then there were the peace signs and power fists the rest of us had!

  75. 75.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    @raven: He’s not. He’s a liberal plant. He’s hiding a Communist Party membership card in his wallet and a piece of French cheese in his pants pocket.

  76. 76.

    Gex

    October 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: There is not enough sanitizer nor hot enough water to do anything but send it to a hazmat site if you used one of mine.

  77. 77.

    Anoniminous

    October 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    Mommies

    Engrish. I no haz it. No more.

  78. 78.

    dmsilev

    October 13, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    @rikyrah: Roger Simon said that? Amazing. Maybe the Village is starting to get tired of the nitwits and assholes in the GOP and their base.

  79. 79.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    @Ash Can: Some of the fellas.

  80. 80.

    Joseph Nobles

    October 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    @Ash Can: Well, there’s at least two of them. I saw a picture at DU of a second person holding the Confederate flag. The main one I’ve seen is a younger guy in a red T-shirt, holding both the Confederate flag and a USMC flag. But the one at DU is an chubbier light-haired guy holding just the CSA flag. The guy with the red shirt is in that picture without any flag and looking at the chubby guy. So maybe they were together or one let the other hold his flag.

    The best point I’ve seen is nobody yet is on camera telling this people to leave.

    ETA: Link to the DU pic: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023841631

  81. 81.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    @Another Botsplainer: That link comes via the alert commenters at LGF. :)

  82. 82.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    @Joseph Nobles: Why would anyone tell them to leave? Being a stupid motherfucking redneck asshole is not illegal.

  83. 83.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    @raven: Nice pic. Pictures like that make me kind of sad — they remind me of how many mothers’ sons were hauled off by the draft and thrown into that clusterfuck. It was a dark time in American history.

  84. 84.

    lamh36

    October 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    @raven: no it’s not, but dang, are this people so stupid that they can’t understand optics?

    Wait, I think I can answer my own question…yeah they are that stupid

  85. 85.

    Joseph Nobles

    October 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    @raven: Because they wouldn’t want to be associated with stupid motherfucking rednecks and could see how waving a CSA flag outside the White House would look?

  86. 86.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Looks like the douche was a jar head.

  87. 87.

    gene108

    October 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    @raven:

    I read the link.

    The lack of awareness is astounding.

    The military was overtly racist during WWII.

    Blacks were deliberately kept out of most positions in the Navy, so I guess a ship flying a confederate flag wouldn’t be as a big a deal back then.

  88. 88.

    rikyrah

    October 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    How racism caused the shutdown:

    from MHP’s show
    Part 1

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/mhp/53270417#53270465

    Part 2

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/mhp/53270417#53270549

  89. 89.

    ? Martin

    October 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    @raven: Charming photo. Wearing the official Republican badge with pride.

  90. 90.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    @Ash Can: No one gave a fuck when they slammed the gates in those Gold Star Mom’s faces.

  91. 91.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    @Ash Can: No one gave a fuck when they slammed the gates in those Gold Star Mom’s faces.

  92. 92.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    @Joseph Nobles:
    @raven:

    Maybe they figured that by being friendly to the CSA rag-wavers they’d persuade them to see the error of their ways and act more politely.

  93. 93.

    Joseph Nobles

    October 13, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    @raven: Yeah, just found that, too. The WaPo IDs him and says it was his flag. So much for the “liberal plant” line.

  94. 94.

    lamh36

    October 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Ok, seriously, how damn hard is it to remember 3 words…a RHYME no less! Jeez, is this woman just absent-minded are what?

    OMG MT @rubycramer: Palin’s note to herself yesterday (captured by @AP) “Leader not tweeter” http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/sarah-palin-makes-the-tea-party-case-for-steve-lonegan … … pic.twitter.com/F25Fevuf2v

    https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/389495619842093057

  95. 95.

    Redshift

    October 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    @Anoniminous: I was flipping channels yesterday and briefly tuned into some show on the Sirius liberal talk channel, and some teabagger caller was demanding to know what amendment allowed the government to require people to have health insurance. (Yeah, I know.) And then he argued that the Supreme Court doesn’t have the power to decide the constitutionality of laws. Their Constitution fetish makes them believe that laws don’t exist, only constitutional amendments.

  96. 96.

    JordanRules

    October 13, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    @[email protected]raven: Maybe at least tell the ‘liberal plant’ to take that bullshit somewhere else.

  97. 97.

    Another Botsplainer

    October 13, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Don’t forget the purple bandaids from 2004.

  98. 98.

    lamh36

    October 13, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    @RhodaJA 17s
    CNN reporting POTUS still will not accept anything less than clean CR and clean Debt hike. Good. Now let’s see what the markets do tomorrow.

  99. 99.

    gene108

    October 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    @Redshift:

    Their Constitution fetish makes them believe that laws don’t exist, only constitutional amendments.

    Yeah, I’ve heard guys argue that regulatory and other government “alphabet soup” agencies are unconstitutional because the Constitution says only Congress can regulate commerce and therefore Congress needs to vote on every commerce related issue in the country.

  100. 100.

    Kay

    October 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @Joseph Nobles:

    Because they wouldn’t want to be associated with stupid motherfucking rednecks and could see how waving a CSA flag outside the White House would look?

    They don’t have that sense anymore, though, Republicans.

    When’s the last time you saw one of them choose to not say the first thing that went thru his or her head OR ask someone to leave? They’ve convinced themselves that everything they say or do is presumptively right, and not only that, that it is some kind of violation of their rights to use or insist on ordinary self-discipline or discretion. They’ll say or do anything, anywhere. Far from apologizing or feeling shame, they’ll belligerently double down. It’s probably organic. Everyone who would object to this is not longer associated with them, is…not there. The people who would object are long gone.

  101. 101.

    JordanRules

    October 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @lamh36: Poor thang. Still not ready for Prime Time.

    She’s a doofus but correctly senses some great grifting opps right now.

  102. 102.

    John O

    October 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @lamh36:

    I think the markets are convinced things are effectively over, in that the GOP will cave, but I’m still not seeing the institutional Republicans in control. The market reaction tomorrow will be interesting, indeed.

  103. 103.

    Yatsuno

    October 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @raven: If that fucker’s AD his ass is gonna be in a sling when he gets back to post.

  104. 104.

    pseudonymous in nc

    October 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    @Ash Can:

    I’m seeing on LGF that RWers are taking to Twitter and insisting that the guy carrying the CSA flag is a liberal plant.

    While others are saying it’s a SYMBOL OF HERITAGE.

    Get your story straight. And get better fucking symbols.

  105. 105.

    Ruckus

    October 13, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    @burnspbesq:
    That rope can be used more than once.

    ETA Beaten to the punch by a mile.

  106. 106.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    @Yatsuno: From his FB page it looks like he’s out. He wouldn’t have all that facial hair if he was active. Only DeNiro in the Deer Hunter could fly around the world in his dress greens and a goatee.

  107. 107.

    MikeJ

    October 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    @lamh36:

    no it’s not, but dang, are this people so stupid that they can’t understand optics?

    Before the Iraq invasion I went to an anti-war rally in DC. The group behind the people I was with had a hammer and sickle on their banner, and could not understand how it might be counter productive.

  108. 108.

    Ash Can

    October 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    @Kay: Now, if the guy had said something like, “Oh I don’t know about Obamacare being that bad; my brother-in-law went on the exchange last week and is saving a couple of hundred bucks a month on his insurance now,” they’d have ejected his ass clear to Silver Spring on two bounces.

  109. 109.

    Kay

    October 13, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    @Ash Can:

    I love the silliness that says the Tea Party is something OTHER than the sum total of the members of the Tea Party. When the members of the Tea Party change, the Tea Party will change, and not before. They can issue all the aggrieved statements about how they “aren’t” this or that all they want, and pen a million flowery screeds about what they “stand for.” This is them. There is no other, better, more noble Tea Party. That’s an aspiration (at best) or a complete fantasy (IMO).

    Groups are comprised of their members. The End.

  110. 110.

    JPL

    October 13, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Important timeout… In preparation for the end of the US as we know, I decided to adopt a pet while I could..
    This is Mr. Finch, aka Willy, a former resident of the Mansell Branch of the Atlanta Humane Society.
    http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t636/jldemowoman/CAM00343_zps90f3ed52.jpg

    He’s close to five years old and is currently being treated for heartworm. I have to bring him to the vet next week to see how much longer he has to stay on leash.

  111. 111.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    @lamh36: Aren’t markets closed tomorrow for Columbus Day?

  112. 112.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    @JPL: Hi Mr Finch!

  113. 113.

    JPL

    October 13, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    @raven: I saw him last week and the deciding factor was how he reacted to another pup, I was looking. He loves people and other animals..
    The deciding factor was going to starbucks without a pup this morning.

    also, I’m sure it’s my voice but he will come to me when I call his name.

  114. 114.

    scav

    October 13, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: International markets.

  115. 115.

    raven

    October 13, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    @JPL: Cool! We found a ferrel kitten in the yard Friday afternoon and had it adopted by 6pm!

  116. 116.

    Certified Mutant Enemy

    October 13, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Aren’t markets closed tomorrow for Columbus Day?

    No. Otherwise, I’d have the day off…

  117. 117.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    @scav: Ah, thx.

  118. 118.

    Patrick

    October 13, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    The Wednesday exchange between Carney and Henry over the restoration of military death benefits centered on Henry repeatedly asking when Obama “learn[ed] specifically that the military death benefits would not be paid,” the tone becoming more confrontational with each back and forth between Henry and Carney.

    How dumb does Henry think we all are??? Why isn’t he asking Boehner and the entire GOP senate when they found out military death benefits wouldn’t be paid and if they hate our troops? They are the fricking reason the govt is shut down…

  119. 119.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    @JPL: He is adorable. Has a little look of General Stuck’s Charley. He won’t ever replace Miss Moxie, but I hope he creates his own-shaped space in your heart and your life.

  120. 120.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    @Certified Mutant Enemy:

    I do have the day off tomorrow, but then I’m retired :-)

    But actually, I’m working on some special projects part time for my former employer, and they observe Canadian Thanksgiving. But it hardly matters, as I never go in on Monday anyhow. So it all works out.

  121. 121.

    Cacti

    October 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    While others are saying it’s a SYMBOL OF HERITAGE.

    Get your story straight. And get better fucking symbols.

    Teabaggers are just carrying the flag of their country and all that it stands for: racism, violence, and treason.

  122. 122.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    My brother was downtown in Washington this morning and said the two groups on the Mall were some Komen for the Kure run/walk/marketing-scam event (sorry, my editorializing, not his) and a group of Teatard-esque protestors with Confederate and “Don’t Tread on Me” flags. He said they looked like “mountain men”—lots of grizzled neck-beards—and a lot of them had “T2SDA” signs on their windows, and he wondered what that was. I looked it up, and it’s the hashtag for those truckers who were going to block the Beltway—“Truckers to Shut Down America.” (Nice un-self-aware double-edged slogan, by the way.)

    I wonder if the neo-Confederates outside the White House are part of that.

  123. 123.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    @JPL:

    Nice-looking pooch, although he looks a little skeptical of the gnome. As well he should.

  124. 124.

    Kay

    October 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    @Cacti:

    Teabaggers are just carrying the flag of their country

    In 2005-6 there were huge immigration reform protests, partly in response to pre-Teabagger Republicans demonizing Latinos in order to whip their base into a lather prior to the 2006 elections, where they knew they were going to get shellacked.

    Anyway, at some of the early protests, huge, tens of thousands of people, some of the marchers were carrying Mexican flags. They were criticized for that, and the next march was a sea of US flags. The Mexican flags were gone.

    The fact that the Tea Party don’t give a shit who they offend and what they look like is just one more example of their supreme sense of entitlement.

    They ARE the Real Americans! It doesn’t matter if they’re carrying the flag of the confederacy.

  125. 125.

    MaryRC

    October 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    @JPL: I wish Mr. Finch a good recovery from heartburn. it’s an awful process to go through.

  126. 126.

    Citizen_X

    October 13, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    I fully support this new trend of braindead racist Teabaggers flying the Traitor flag. You go with your bad self, Tea Party! Don’t let The (Black) Man keep you down!

  127. 127.

    Citizen_X

    October 13, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    @Citizen_X: I also support Canadian Saboteur Ted Cruz showing up at these Confederate rallies. Optics are for pussies, Rafael!

  128. 128.

    jenn

    October 13, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    @JPL: Awesome! Give a scritch to Mr Finch for me :).

  129. 129.

    siciliandish

    October 13, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Thin skinned and entitled.

  130. 130.

    WereBear

    October 13, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    @raven: Fast work!

  131. 131.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    @beltane:

    A well regulated Elderly Veterans Population (motto: IGMFY), being necessary to the nostalgia of Tom Brokaw and a free State, the right of the Greatest Generation to Visit and wave traitorous Confederate Flags in Front of national monuments and memorials, shall not be infringed.

    Duh.

  132. 132.

    piratedan

    October 13, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    not sure how the GOP should complain, after all, they dropped the exclusion tactic by forbidding certain networks from participating in their future primary debate process didn’t they?

  133. 133.

    Tehanu

    October 13, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    That’s crazy talk. We all know that elections are supposed to be a time where people express their tribal allegiance and the bigger nastier tribe wins.

    Fixed that for ya.

    @MikeJ:

    Before the Iraq invasion I went to an anti-war rally in DC. The group behind the people I was with had a hammer and sickle on their banner, and could not understand how it might be counter productive.

    Alas, stupidity and self-righteousness are not the sole possessions of the right, no matter how often it seems that way.

  134. 134.

    Klare

    October 13, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    @JPL: Cool dog! Great to save a life. We have a rescue Brittany Springer Spaniel. He’s an angel. And a rescue cat, who is so completely sweet even though he tries to hide the fact.

  135. 135.

    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)

    October 13, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    @raven:
    That dude is NOT a Marine.

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