With the Treasury Department warning that it could run out of money to pay national obligations within a day, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday evening, 81 to 18, to approve a proposal hammered out by the chamber’s Republican and Democratic leaders after the House on Tuesday was unable to move forward with any resolution. The House followed suit a few hours later, voting 285 to 144, to approve the Senate plan, which would finance the government through Jan. 15 and raise the debt limit through Feb. 7.
Meet the next budget negotiation, same as the this budget negotiation, though. For once, William Galston is probably right:
It’s hard to see how the U.S. can govern itself unless corporate America pushes the Republican establishment to fight back against the tea party—or switches sides.
Keep fighting. Remember: doesn’t matter who the president is — Obama, O’Malley, Warren Clinton — these crazy bastards have the power to flush the country down the toilet under our current system. It only stops when we become a supermajority.
mdblanche
Looks like John Boehner picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Mike in NC
Fucking nihilists. How does that work?
Baud
Seems to have worked well for California.
Redshirt
I’ve got a VICTORY post featuring bears. It feels good – for tonight. Tomorrow, the war continues.
Dolly Llama
This was supposedly a vote the Chamber of Commerce was “scoring” against those who voted against it. Yeah, right. Let’s see their contribution list about this time next year. They’ve been useful idiots, and they will continue to be useful idiots.
mike in dc
I tend to doubt that corporate America will be pushing the establishment to fight back…mainly because it’s not entirely clear the establishment will win this time around.
Supermajority rule seems to be the only remotely plausible path out of this crap. If they’re actually incapable of stopping anything or putting Dem control in jeopardy, then they will come begging to make a deal to get something for their districts and hold on to their seats.
Redshirt
@Dolly Llama: Yeah, I saw that on TPM. Chamber, for. Freedomworks, Heritage, against. Line up them Risk armies. Someone’s gonna take Republican Siam.
SFAW
On the plus side, it looks we can now place a dollar value on the position of Speaker of the House:
it’s been estimated that the Shutdown cost the USA approximately $24 Billion, and we had a 16-day Shutdown so that Boehner could keep his job, so res ipsa loquitur, QED, LS/MFT, and Penumele iki bobo.
Redshirt
@SFAW: Gosh, fiscal conservatism sure is expensive!
What could you buy with 24 billion?
The Dangerman
It’s done; can that poor fucking chicken get some rest?
scav
I would feel slightly better if Da capo wasn’t also abbreviated D.C. but I’ll take my flute of tears with a dash of bitters and squeeze of lemon with glee all the same.
Bill D.
Then we need to set in place autopilot mechanisms so that the government can continue even in the event that Congress is hamstrung or entirely out of commission. A continuing-resolution type of setup should be automatic if appropriations for the new fiscal year are not passed. Meanwhile, the debt limit serves no useful purpose- it does not constrain the executive branch, which is obligated to spend all amounts appropriated and which can not raise taxes on its own. It only serves as a kind of periodic embarrassment to Congress, but that has never stopped Congress from raising spending or cutting taxes when it felt like it, regardless of the effects on the current deficit or the cumulative debt.
Belgium had no political government for two years due to political gridlock, but the administrative and judicial functions of government continued without a break thanks to such prior arrangements.
SFAW
@Redshirt:
A shitload of whatever-the-fuck-I-want, I’m a-thinkin’.
Omnes Omnibus
@Redshirt: An underground lair. Several Aston Martins. Henchmen. A fluffy white cat. You know, the whole Bond villain set up.
SFAW
@Redshirt:
A herd of Winnebagos.
Well, I would, but they’re givin’ ’em away.
lamh36
Cris (without an H)
Qft
Groucho48
According to a Kos diary, one of the provisions of the Senate bill
If that’s true, and it survived the House, doesn’t that pretty much take away the debt ceiling as a weapon?
Redshirt
@SFAW: I was thinking SNAP or raising the Federal minimum wage. Or getting NASA to do something incredibly cool.
lamh36
https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/390665284882665472
pseudonymous in nc
@Redshirt:
One year’s college tuition for every student, twice.
Belafon
Can anyone tell me where I can find the House vote? Specifically, I want to find out about Ralph Hall.
never mind, found it.
divF
@SFAW:
Is that what you *really* want from life ?
Or possibly to kidnap an heiress, and threaten her with a knife ?
David Fud
@Groucho48: Sounds that way, would be smart for the “moderate” GOP members to defang the crazies that way, so they aren’t constantly shooting the GOP in the foot. Would be comforting to see something authoritative and definitive on that.
MikeJ
@lamh36: The right wingers are tweeting it:
http://twitchy.com/2013/10/16/praise-be-to-god-congressional-stenographer-kicked-off-house-floor/
MikeJ
@MikeJ: Video: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4469223
SFAW
@Redshirt:
Oh, I thought you meant me, personally. (Hangs head in shame.)
Yeah, SNAP would be good. Subsidizing college would be pretty good, too. (I’d be saying that even if the SFAW-ette were not currently in college.) Funding Head Start for 10-20 years. Rounding up all the TeaTards and shipping them to their Glibertarian paradise, i.e. Somalia (although that work could probably be done with volunteers). Alzheimer’s research.
Buying the Mets a Front Office that has a fucking clue. Funding research into football equipment which will actually prevent CTE.
There are others, but these would be a good start.
CaseyL
@lamh36: “This is not a nation under God and never has been! The Constitution was written by three Masons!”
She enunciates very well, I’ll give her that. She’s a reporter? For which publication?
ETA: Apparently a House stenographer – or, more likely, now an ex-House stenographer.
Omnes Omnibus
@Groucho48:
The House voted on the Senate version. So if that section is in there and means what that diary says it means (I haven’t read it), then yes, the debt ceiling is toast as a real weapon.
Redshirt
@Groucho48: That’s amazing if true. We need some confirmation/second sources.
SFAW
@divF:
Nah, I want a new Monza!
pseudonymous in nc
@CaseyL:
A stenographer. Who deserves sympathy and care.
No jokes, other than to say that if your job was to transcribe the House of Representatives, you might have a moment as well.
Redshirt
@SFAW: If I had 26 Billion, personally, it’s a different story, of course. Bond Villain Lair sounds pretty sweet. But for the Government, that’s some walking around money.
RaflW
O hell no. Corporate America has enough power over the center-right Democratic Party already.
divF
@SFAW:
I’m hereby putting in a request to DougJ to use more excerpts from the collected works of Fee Waybill for posting titles.
rikyrah
They don’t have to switch sides. Just don’t fund the GOP for a couple of elections.
Omnes Omnibus
@Redshirt: On second thought…. Mountain top lair.
MikeJ
@CaseyL: Her linkedIn page
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dianne-reidy/22/614/201
CaseyL
@pseudonymous in nc: Oh, absolutely: the stress finally got to her and she slipped her sprockets. I was actually kind of impressed: what she said made no sense, but she said it very well.
@MikeJ:
Not a hint there that she is capable of fits of wonderful eloquent madness.
Groucho48
@Redshirt:
It was a Kos diary linked to a The Hill article:
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/328925-senate-bill-aims-to-pay-back-furloughed-workers-asap
I’ve been watching MSNBC all evening while playing DDO and no one mentioned it on the air. It’s huge if it is true.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: God bless her. Tommy D’Alessandro is smiling somewhere
MattR
@pseudonymous in nc: Agreed. Not a time for jokes. From the Washington Post report:
PsiFighter37
@CaseyL: Some babbling about Freemasons, I think? Perhaps she took that shitty Dan Brown novel “The Lost Symbol” a bit too seriously.
MikeJ
@Groucho48: Search for “default prevention” in the text of the bill.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/805620/amendment10-16-13c.txt
CaseyL
@PsiFighter37: Did you see the video? She walked up to the well calm as anything, and didn’t rant or yell; she declaimed. A perfect surreal note to end the day on. If it was a breakdown, as seems likely, I hope she recovers.
Redshirt
@Groucho48: That’s two sources, right?
That Hill article is awfully nonchalant in mentioning this fact. Which is monumental, if true, since it means Congress can no longer – ever – hold the world hostage by threatening not to pay the bills.
pseudonymous in nc
@MikeJ: really, don’t do that.
MikeJ
@pseudonymous in nc: I will always link to the social media pages of people that grab the mic in THE FUCKING US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES and start babbling about Masons.
Groucho48
Well, from a Politico article and from the link in post 44, it seems as though it will only apply to the current bill, not to any future debt ceilings.
Too bad. That would have been a major, major victory.
MikeJ
@CaseyL:
She didn’t sound any crazier than the elected Republicans in the chamber.
Cris (without an H)
@Belafon: thanks. Wow, my Congressbagger, Steve Daines, voted Yea.
fuckwit
The Sicilian version is more appropriate:
E finita o scifia.
burnspbesq
@SFAW:
Love that song. Fall of my senior year, I had the Saturday morning show on the college radio station. I played that song at exactly 7:00 a.m. on the morning of the MCAT. That night, a pre-med came up to me in the campus pub and wanted to fight.
I would like a solid gold Third Reich swizzle-stick, now that you mention it.
Bill E Pilgrim
@fuckwit: It’s Pagliacci. You may know that but just saying.
Carnage all over the stage, okay that’s enough laughs for tonight folks, wasn’t that fun?
No one is even sure who in the opera sings the line, a detail nicely fitting the empty space where any leadership of the GOP used to be.
Creative Anarchy
@Redshirt:
If I mathed it right, several months of fully operational government. Wallstreet lost many times over the money that was “saved” shutting down the government. But at this point we don’t really know how much the shutdown cost. As we bring government agencies back online we could find out that neglect of their duties for several weeks had a very high price tag.
SFAW
@Bill E Pilgrim:
It’s either Sparafucile or Papagena. Or possibly someone else.