Oh my god.
Discuss.
If you haven’t seen it yet, you should probably expect the thread to be spoilerific.
by Sarah, Proud and Tall| 177 Comments
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Oh my god.
Discuss.
If you haven’t seen it yet, you should probably expect the thread to be spoilerific.
Comments are closed.
Bargal20
Gallifrey falls no more!
S. Holland
Loved loved loved it!!! Absolutely perfect!!!! Loved the storyline to get all 3 in…great fun!!!
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
It’s a bit of a cheat to say the other Doctors won’t remember (because timey-wimey), but it worked for me.
And since Tom Baker was my original Doctor, I loved his little cameo.
See? No spoilers.
Belafon
All the Doctors!!
I generally just enjoy the stories, but having all of the Doctors on the screens near the end almost made me break down.
And for people who go “I stopped liking it after the old stuff ended,” sucks to be you.
Litlebritdiftrnt
I absolutely loved it. I have to admit that seeing David Tennant in the role once again was my most fervent wish. When he got into the Tardis and said “I don’t want to go” had me blubbering all over again. On BBC America they are now airing Tennant’s final episodes which will no doubt have me also in tears. I loved all of the interactions between the three doctors, especially Matt and David.
Belafon
@S. Holland: And the three of them worked together so well. The youngest was the oldest and the oldest was the youngest.
scav
@Litlebritdiftrnt: From the little I’ve been able to see in trailers, I’m dying to see the two in tandem. No idea when I’ll be able to afford to do it, but still.
NicoleW
Just had to delurk to say that while it took me a bit to get into it, I loved it by the end. Tom Baker was my very first Doctor, so seeing him at the end got me all choked up. And hooray for the split-second shot of Peter Capaldi, too.
Johannes
Magnificent. I pumped my fist in the air when Hartnell appeared, and the Curator was a lovely touch. Not to mention Capaldi.
Litlebritdiftrnt
@Belafon:
I am watching Tennant’s last two episodes and the first one Tennant comes out of the Tardis wearing a Lei and apologizes for being late having stopped off to do various things including “got married, Good Queen Bess and her nickname well let me tell you” fascinating that Moffatt includes Tennant marrying Queen Elizabeth in Day of the Doctor. I love the way how, as a writer, he manages to weave all the stories together.
MomSense
@Belafon:
I loved when Clara told the oldest/youngest doctor that he had young eyes.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
@Litlebritdiftrnt:
I loved HurtDoctor’s reactions to them.
And the original title footage at the start.
And, well, pretty much everything.
Emma
Every time — EVERY TIME — I promise myself I’m not going to fall for it, and EVERY FREAKING TIME I end up laughing and crying and applauding.
And Jack’s wrist strap.
And “oh for God’s sake”!
And the Curator!
MomSense
@Sarah Proud and Tall
Thank you for turning me on to the Doctor. I enjoy it so much.
Joseph Nobles
Favorite moment was Clara walking though the cell door.
Hang on, does this mean the Doctor’s daughter is the true Duchess of Windsor?
scav
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: Ahhhh! The more Doctors the better, I want to keep this one too.
MomSense
@Emma:
Yes, yes and YES!
hildebrand
A tremendous show. Great ending. Wonderful stuff all around. Lovely interaction between the three – loved Hurt busting the chops of the other two for their various antics.
scav
@Joseph Nobles: whew for those few changes in dynasty since, else the Doctor’s descendants would be werewolves.
KG
@Emma: a vortex manipulator, bequeathed to us by Capt. Jack Harkness upon his death, well, one of them.
Also loved the line about not letting allies know they have it, “could you imagine Americans with the ability to rewrite history? You’ve seen their movies.”
Emma
@MomSense: @KG: So many, many good lines.
And the whole body-mirroring thing with Tennant and Smith.
And the Brig’s daughter!
Jeez. I’ve turned into an utter fangirl.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
@MomSense:
A great pleasure. You just capped off my day, and I haven’t even been to the cinema screening yet.
Ang.
I’m a little sad that Tennant didn’t get to interact with Billie Piper, and very sad that Smith didn’t get to either. But otherwise, OMG! But Tennant and Smith together were brilliant.
Starting out with the original opener! And Trotter’s Lane! And the split second of Capaldi! GAH!
And Baker’s cameo had me in tears. Absolute perfection.
Violet
@MomSense: How are you feeling? Better, I hope.
Belafon
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: We’re going to the theater on monday. I want to see it with other fans now.
brendancalling
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
That scene with Tom Baker made my day. Tom was my doctor. My son and I are having a FABULOUS geek-out in Montreal today.
MomSense
@Emma:
I’m going to have to watch it again because I was so caught up in some lines–I missed the next ones.
MikeJ
DID YOU SEE THAT BUNNY?!
brendancalling
@KG: great line. Loved it.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
@MikeJ:
That was a very cute rabbit.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
@Belafon:
I’m going in about an hour for the first Australian cinema screening. I’m just a little excited to see it in a big room full of fans.
MomSense
@Violet:
Not great but much better than before.
@Sarah, Proud and Tall:
Turns out my Dad was a fan of the original Who and I didn’t know it. He’s having surgery next month so I’m going to take some time off from work so we can have a marathon Who watching recuperating party.
BrklynLibrul
Terrific special — loved all three Doctors. John Hurt was wonderful!
Belafon
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: They had one theater in Carrollton, TX for the entire Dallas Fort Worth area. On Monday, they are going to have about 20. So we’ll see it again then.
KG
I do kinda wish we got to see 9 after the regeneration, but that is a very minor quibble.
Bart
It was OK, but it was weak sauce that they removed the dark period from the Doctor’s timeline, especially considering that this was the same solution applied to Donna Noble. And they completely forgot about the alien-UNIT stand-off…
cckids
@Belafon:
This. I get having your favorite Doctor, but . . how do you just not like the newer stuff?
My fave is #9 :)
lol
@Bart:
The Zygon stuff wasn’t really the point – the Doctors set them up to resolve their difference peacefully so we assume that happens. What’s important is the War Doctor saw his future was in good hands.
Fergie
Loved loved loved every part of it. I saw it in a theater with a whole crowd of “my people” lol. Yes yes yes to all comments.
Fergie
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Bart:
Well, sort of removed — as far as every Doctor but the Matt Smith Doctor is concerned, he really DID destroy his entire planet and everyone on it. Only the Matt Smith Doctor and subsequent Doctors will know/remember it.
If you spent 1200 (or whatever) years regretting a horrible thing that you did, does it really instantly fix everything to find out much later that you may be able to reverse it? The reversal is not going to change the previous 1200 years when you believed you had done it.
Cain
I’ve never watched Doctor Who. I don’t even know what the hell it’s about. What is this vs all the other shows?
scav
@cckids: And contrary-wise, wobbly sets sans CGI utterly don’t matter. The Tardis exploding in The Mind Robber was entirely a moment for me — and not for the bit most pick up on. Other chunks of that episode rank very high on my overall list and it was a cheapy in the age of low budgets.
Ken
Loved it, especially the cameo (Baker was my first Doctor). But I feel a little sorry for the people at the Doctor Who wiki, who have a heck of a lot of re-numbering to do.
Also loved last night’s “Adventures in Time and Space.”
Though I will admit to one peeve – the publicity kept talking about “50 years of Doctor Who”. Technically correct, but by the same logic we could have 50 years of “My Mother the Car” if we can organize a series revival in a couple of years.
KG
@Ken: well, they did keep it going with audio stories for Eight. Not sure about the gap between Seven and Eight
PurpleGirl
@Emma:
Jeez. I’ve turned into an utter fangirl.
Is there something wrong with that?
I watch kitten cams and cat shows on Animal Planet. Without even having a cat, I’ve become a CCL (Crazy Cat Lady) and I love it.
In general, has everyone played the game on Google? It’s a great Google Doodle.
Bargal20
@Ken: Doctor Who was never cancelled. It was officially on “hiatus”.
scav
@KG: There’s a continuity in other media and attention that also counts. (Whether it counts enough is left to personal fist-fights.) When was that Red Nose Multiple Doctor thing that Moffett made produced? Who as a continuous phenomenon exists, there is the multi-generational thing going, esp in UK.
lol
@KG:
Seven had some 50 plus novels (The New Adventures) in the early 90s, one of which was adapted into a couple episodes for Ten. Eight had another 50 odd novels (Eighth Doctor Adventures) after the TV movie and there’s 80 or so novels (Missing Adventures, Past Doctor Adventures) spread amongst the rest. A few of the writers of the novels are writing for the show, notably Russell T Davies and Paul Cornell.
And that’s not even getting into the audios – mostly the Eighth but there’s done a bunch for Fourth through Seventh. Colin Baker Sixth Doctor has legitimately come into his own thanks to the audios. Really shows that it wasn’t his fault the stories were so dire.
Emma
@lol: BBC Radio Four Extra has been running the radio plays from the 60s and 70s all past week. And they had the guy who played Ian Chesterton reading the first novel, which of course, was about the Daleks.
The Doctor has always been around, one way or another.
Ken
All, right, I admit it, my real peeve is the lost episodes. The rest is displacement.
I have a sudden intuition that we’ve just seen the origin of a new topic for endless flame wars – is the Eleventh Doctor Tennant, or Smith? Ditto for Ninth, Tenth, Twelfth…
Renie
I’m a lurker but a huge Whovian and have to share this great article my son wrote on Dr. Who – if you’re a fan you will enjoy it (thanks for letting my plug it). Loved Tom Baker!
“Coward, Any Day”: The Humanism of Doctor Who
Litlebritdiftrnt
I was born in 1960 in England, I grew up hiding behind the sofa sort of watching this show, through semi-closed fingers. The Daleks terrified me. I will never forget me and my sis tuning in every week to be terrified at the latest monster. The retrospectives have been wonderful for me because I remember the shows in real time. As a grown up the episodes look so clunky and amateurish to me now but as a kid growing up in the UK this was the stuff of legend. When they brought the series back in 2005 with Christopher Eccleston it was a revelation. I was transfixed and I have to admit I have been transfixed ever since. I am the sort of person who salivates for every new episode and latches on to everything Whovian. Recently as I was over at the Superior Courthouse I noticed that one of the Bailiffs had a TARDIS model in his little security hut, I asked him about it and he told me that his son works in CA in a special effects department that works on Who, he sent him the TARDIS, I was so psyched you cannot imagine.
Ash Can
That was a whole damn big load of fun. Tom Baker was perfect, the glimpse of Capaldi (calling himself “thirteen!”) was delightfully done, and there was a lot more comedy in it than I thought there would be. A romp indeed!
ETA: And kudos to Sarah PT for putting this thread up!
JPL
OT… After the Florida game poor Betty might never ever post again.
Steeplejack
“You could just walk past a fez.”
Belafon
@Steeplejack: Can you JUST walk past a fez now? I can’t.
Gravenstone
Anyone else appreciate the little “dig” at the loudly absent Eccelston at the end?
raven
@JPL: Misery loves company.Now I have to find some damn bar to watch the dawgs cuz there’s no ESPN U here.
JPL
@raven: try to stream it online…
Dee Loralei
@Renie: tell your son, well done! I tweeted it.
God, I loved this episode, it was all that I love about the Whoverse. I’m only a wee bit sad that Eccleston didn’t have a bigger part and River Song wasn’t there at all, maybe she finally died? I was also a bit sorry David Tennant and Matt Smith didn’t get to interact with Billie Piper. But oh my God was John Hurt brilliant! I even enjoyed the show last night about the making of the original series, just wish they had gone into the writer’s room, especially so we could see how they explained the Daleks and the Cybermen and of course, regeneration.
I had to watch Bob Stoops become the winningest Coach in OU history first, but then watched Dr Who.
And ya know what? I’m gonna watch the replay tonight. Or the Re-Tardis, as NotMax said above.
scav
Anybody else wander over to the Five(ish) Doctors Reboot?
KG
@Dee Loralei: given that the Christmas special is supposed to be the next regeneration, I suspect that episode will start with 11 (or is he now 12?) giving River his sonic…
schrodinger's cat
Get ready to greet your overlords
lamh36
I’ve only ever watched the Tennant years. Of Dr Who and I’ll admit to not completely watching EVERY episode. So I’m completely lost when it comes to these “compilation” episodes.
But I do thank Dr Who for turning me on to Torchwood and Capt Jack. Now Torchwood I hhave seen every ep, even the short US cable series
KG
@lamh36: I do miss Capt Jack Harkness. There’s just something about that character
Time Travelin
@scav: It’s says the video is not available on the BBC site. Were you able to watch it elsewhere?
jenn
Hey, this is utterly off-topic, but I just saw Ruemara’s Post of Despair about her final camera giving up the ghost. I was just looking at my old camera last night, that I adored so much I haven’t been able to get rid of, and only replaced because I thought I’d lost it – I’d have to check to make sure I didn’t do anything stupid like leave the batteries in it (yes, that is the voice of experience), but assuming I wasn’t stupid, I’d be happy to send it to her – I’ll pop back later today to see if she’s around, but if she comes back, could folks pass the offer along to her? Thanks! (Disclaimer: it’s not a professional grade camera, but it can be rigged up with a teleconverter/filters, etc.)
ruemara
Haven’t seen it yet but the local Whovians were certainly excited at the theater. It sounds like a grand time. Hopefully, I’ll be able to see it later.
scav
@Time Travelin: Had the same error, but seems to be working at www. doctorwho. co. uk
ETA utter fanboy kibble.
JPL
@ruemara: Read comment 68…
Three-nineteen
@Dee Loralei: According to reports, Eccleston refused to appear in the episode. I hope he doesn’t regret his time on the series.
ruemara
@JPL: read, thanks. And thanks to Jenn.
scav
@scav: Forgot a bit so will do it properly as I finished watching Try here, I omitted the tv in the above, mea maxima!
Also getting intermittent errors here too, but it worked twice for me
Time Travelin
@scav: There it is. Thank you!
Time Travelin
@Three-nineteen: I’ve heard that he didn’t enjoy it at all and wanted out. I liked him, but if he hadn’t quit when he did we may not have had Tennant.
mouse tolliver
@brendancalling: Tom’s Doctor got a crappy send off so it was nice to see him again.
KG
@Time Travelin: there’ve been mixed reports. Basically, the one thing they all agree on was he had a one year deal and they didn’t know if the show would work again (having seen an adventure in space and time, that’s a bit funny).
droog
The best line was definitely delivered by The Queen.
“…at the time so did the zygon”.
Because it’s badass and EDUKATIONAL.
Yatsuno
Coming in, saying hi dear to Sister Sarah cause luvvers her, then ducking back out. Not on for three more hours yet.
A Humble Lurker
@Time Travelin:
I loved Tennant, but to this day I wish 9 had gotten more time. Loved how different he was from Tennant and Smith, both of which I had seen a little of before I started watching the reboot in earnest.
lamh36
Since I’m NOT a Who-phile, I basically don’t know much of any history going on. So I’m watching as a novice. Knowing how much people love the series, I’m a keep my “review” to myself.
Woodrowfan
watched it twice (DVD’d it). Liked it much better the second time.
Three-nineteen
@Time Travelin: I agree. Ten(nant) is my Doctor.
Barney
On the BBC’s spare channel (BBC Three), they showed a post-episode party (lots of old assistants, fans etc.) – live. And they tried to do a transatlantic linkup with One Direction somewhere in the USA – I have no idea why. It was the most hilariously botched linkup I’ve ever seen. There was a delay of about 5 seconds, with the audio from the UK clearly audible again after that 5 seconds – and then again after another 5 seconds, along with the attempt to answer that, by which time the UK were trying to tell them there was a delay problem, so that clashed with the next repeat of what they originally said, and the first reply repeated – until, after about a minute, you were hearing about 6 different things at once.
For a programme about time travel, the irony was superb. They gave up, with most people who didn’t have to try to get it working laughing.
jnfr
We’re both sitting around watching it again now.
Yeah, some plotline fuzziness but nothing that I minded much. Mostly it held together well structurally, and the emotional impact was fantastic. Plus: whole new plotlines ahead with major change-up of how we see the entire world of the Doctor.
I loved it.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Litlebritdiftrnt: This is my go-to gift for Whovians.
Comrade Scrutinizer
Felt more liken RTD episode than a Moffat episode. Loved it!
cckids
@scav: Oh, I agree – the Doctor was never about the special effects, at all.
MomSense
In the scene where Ten and Eleven pull out their sonic screwdrivers–Tennant says “compensating?” about the larger screwdriver. Missed that the first time–very cute.
I loved Tennant and hated to see him leave the show but Smith won me over. Really couldn’t choose one over the other.
Time Travelin
@MomSense: Very happy with Smith. But Tennant is still my favorite. I loved how he repeated his final line near the end, “I don’t wanna go”.
Higgs Boson's Mate (Crystal Set)
No TV so I didn’t see the show. I’d been a fan of the series off and on since Tom Baker. David Tennant was my favorite Dr. Who. He seemed to be enjoying himself so much. I stopped watching shortly after he left. Not a knock on his successor, I just missed Tennant’s zest for being Dr. Who.
Emma
@Time Travelin: I loved Smith’s come back: “He always says that”
Baud
OT PSA: A deal of some sort reached with Iran. Prez talking at 10:15 eastern.
Mike in NC
@Baud:
If Iranians don’t give up their nukes, they’ll all be forced to watch Dr. Who and Duck Dynasty.
scav
@Baud: Oh dear. Yet another Katrina. Irregardless, bien sûr.
Baud
@scav:
There are no limits to which he’ll go to get us to stop talking about the website.
Baud
@Mike in NC:
At the same time on YouTube doubler.
Culture of Truth
I thought it was a terrific episode. (and I can be harsh). Think Tennant is a better actor and doctor.
With this Iran deal Obama is just trolling the very concerned media.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
I’ll repeat what I said elsewhere: It wasn’t perfect, but it was magnificent. I’ll be in a theater on Monday to watch again on the big screen.
scav
@Baud: All this not killing people stuff is only digging himself in deeper with that lot.
max
With this Iran deal Obama is just trolling the very concerned media.
And may possibly cause Bibi to have a heart attack and die.
max
[‘That would be…awful. Yes. Awful. Just awful.’]
ruemara
I did it, I fixed it. I cleaned every contact and pulled everything out and used some funky reboot I found on a DIY site. I don’t know if a “fuck you, Universe” or if-well, it’s probably mandatory, since the car’s speedometer is now not working and I can’t tell how fast I’m going and that I have no idea how to fix & the universe loves destroying me by inches, but dammit, I fixed it and I can film the rest of project again. And, I’m just in time for Day of the Doctor, so good cheer all around. By the by, can speedometers be replaced?
Caladan
I’m curious as to how #4 got old? Do time lords revisit old incarnations at the end of their natural lives? He said maybe you’ll revisit a few in the future, but just the favorites.
KG
@Time Travelin: Hurt also repeated Hartnell’s farewell line too, I think, something about the body wearing a bit thin
Baud
@scav:
Lookup to important to MSNBC to preempt. I’m forced to watch Blitzer.
Good thing I don’t have nuclear weapons right now.
Belafon
@Culture of Truth: I think David was a good Pierce Brosnan style Doctor – rarely makes major mistakes – and Matt is a better Daniel Craig style doctor – more prone to anger and not having everything go his way. I never did think David did angry very well.
PaulW
I loved the fact that this all happened at the same time the U.S. is brokering a deal with Iran. I like to think that the negotiators were all watching the episode and crying their eyes out saying “Oh, if the Doctor can save everybody, maybe we can too!”
Joseph Nobles
@Caladan: I’m not sure he was officially the Fourth there. That whole “I’m you” speech just sounded like Moffat saying, dammit, we’re putting Tom Baker in this thing and continuity can go hang. And I quite agree.
Baud
Now they’re saying Prez will speak at 10:30 eastern.
David Koch
@Baud:
This is Obama’s
secret bombing of CambodiaPaula Jones!PaulW
@Caladan:
It was established in the “Time Crash” mini-episode, with Five and Ten saving the TARDIS from a massive Belgium-sized explosion, that the incarnations of the Doctor do age relative to the appearance they last had before regeneration. Something to do with the current Doctor’s temporal perception. It’s a lazy way to explain how the actors get so old (dear God, Davison’s hair is thinning out like you wouldn’t believe).
Baud
@David Koch:
All the Sunday talk shows are like, “Quick, someone find John McCain.”
Who am I kidding? He as already scheduled for all of them.
PaulW
@Mike in NC:
Hey! Iranians might have a thing for hunting waterfowl.
David Koch
MomSense
@PaulW:
Or Obama is the 13th Doctor and we are just experiencing a timey wimey fissure.
Geoduck
@scav: The Five Doctor(ish) Reboot was quite amusing. I particularly liked the “Dalek Operators Quarterly” prop-gag.
And I enjoyed the actual episode too. My only real regret is that Eccleston didn’t suck it up and do a cameo. (I think having four of them bouncing around as main characters would have been a bit much.)
scav
@PaulW: Davidson’s hair works well with his rumpled Last Detective style — possibly less Tardis friendly to some. The whole bit of Doctors aging does go a bit necessarily timey-wimey though. Paul’s Doctor in the Night of the Doctor was all on his lonesome. [ETA and aged, rather nicely] Good to see him back too, although with him, it is so utterly the voice I’ve latched onto of course. They captured his lines in the dialog though.
Baud
MSNBC back to doing news.
David Koch
David Koch
Baud
Baud
Not a parody.
jenn
@ruemara: Oh, no problem. I know (or at least think I know) you’re ultimately looking for professional grade equipment, which this isn’t, but figured it wouldn’t hurt to make the offer to carry you over the interim :).
Happy Who-watching!
? Martin
Wow, this looks like quite a good deal: [cnn]
I’m guessing that the US will drop a significant portion of our sanctions.
Bibi must be pissed beyond all measure.
David Koch
scav
@Baud: Six world powers and Iran are all conspiring to paper over a rocky tech launch. Interesting times. Why didn’t Apple call in this kind of support for its maps?!
Mike E
Oh gawd, now Mrs Greenspan is making a plug for Iranian currency. Sweet jeebus.
Higgs Boson's Mate (Crystal Set)
NYT on the deal with Iran.
Baud
@scav:
And then, after all that, announce it on Saturday night before Thanksgiving week. For maximum effect, of course.
Baud
@Mike E:
Bitcoins?
ruemara
@Baud: That should be get him laughed off the internet and out of office.
@jenn: I was actually going to ask for your email, just in case this was the nail in the coffin, so to speak, for the cam. But I was afraid your camera would explode in the box just at the mere mention of heading to me.
David Koch
This will cause the price of oil to plunge, a spike in the stock market, with prices at the pump dropping.
Comrade Mary
Looking for discussions of Iran on Twitter, I was surprised to find that Morgan Fairchild has a very busy account with lots of retweets on political issues. A little more research and I found that not only did she switch from Clinton to Obama in 2008, but she used to date John Kerry.
The More You Know …
Also: Obama live here.
David Koch
so what’s left on the President’s agenda?
I think closing GITMO and an executive order on immigration and he’s done everything he ran on.
It would be nice if he could get immigration w/ a pathway to citizenship through Congress, but Boehner is too afraid of losing his job.
Gin & Tonic
Hey, didn’t there used to be a guy by the name of Cole who’d post here, write about politics and stuff? Keep threads from getting so stale?
Mike E
PBO: This will create time and space.
Very Whovian!
David Koch
@Comrade Mary: Yeah, in the 80s, she used to date Alan Cranston.
Baud
I’M SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE DICK-WAVING.
catclub
@David Koch: I suspect that oil is not yet released from sanctions – just my guess.
Ruemara – if your car has a tachometer, you can figure out how fast you are going using that. I know that 3200rpm
is about 70mph on my car – in highest gear.
Baud
@Gin & Tonic:
All the front pagers are sloshed. We’re stuck in the Who thread until the morning garden thread.
Comrade Mary
Chuck Todd saying that there is bipartisan support in Congress for more sanctions, not fewer, and that Obama should expect a bill that he HAS to veto.
Then he wiped the drool off his chin.
EDIT: Hey, they’ve got Ann Curry doing real news again.
David Koch
@catclub: that’s true, but whenever tensions are either eased or heighten, the market and prices a still react. even when underlying petroleum supplies are unaffected.
ruemara
@Comrade Mary: That wasn’t drool.
Gravenstone
Back to Who for a moment, David Tennant with a pony tail is such an odd sight.
And I wonder if Cornyn actually authored that insipid joke of a tweet, or if it was merely some staffer assigned to churn out gibberish?
KG
@Baud: so you’re tired of all politics throughout human history?
Mike E
Fuck Choad puts his marker down on an Obama veto of some future bipartisan resolution that will double down on Iran sanctions.
I’m gonna announce the date of the Rapture tomorrow.
Comrade Mary
@ruemara: Well done! Made me laugh and feel queasy all at once.
Gin & Tonic
@ruemara: Eww.
Mike in NC
@Comrade Mary:
Not to be gross, but that probably wasn’t drool.
ETA 145: ruemara
Baud
@Mike in NC:
Too late.
max
@ruemara: By the by, can speedometers be replaced?
Yes. How you go about that depends on the car. (And I’m specifically referring to the gauge itself – the sensor setup depends on the car, although that can be replaced as well.)
max
[‘Old car goes one way, new car, entirely another.’]
Comrade Mary
It’s really weird for me to be the classy person in the room.I may need to lie down.
Baud
@KG:
I guess I am.
Well, except for the first Bush. He was kinder and gentler.
Hill Dweller
@efgoldman:
Harry Reid didn’t have the votes to repeal the filibuster. He asked the President to do some convincing/arm-twisting, which he did. Voila.
Nevertheless, I take your point. Reid isn’t going to bring it to the floor.
As an aside, the twitter machine is telling me Sen. Cornyn said the Iran agreement is Obama’s attempt to distract from Obamacare.
Hill Dweller
piratedan
@Hill Dweller: kinda strange how the reverse is true, Republicans will say anything in order to try and denigrate the ACA law
ruemara
@Comrade Mary: Pardon. I’m hopped up on glee and tea. It’s quite rare and I might be giddy.
In my defense, the friend I went to see was very happy with her gift of persimmons and homemade dorayaki, so she promptly held them to her chest and pronounced that she loved her new boobs. I’ve suffered a bawd influence.
Turgid Jacobian
@Belafon: You are a very different person from me. Anything Matt can do David can do better. David can do anything better than Matt…
Renie57
@Dee Loralei: Thank You!
Time Travelin
I’ll leave y’all with this Craig Ferguson tribute to The Doctor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9P4SxtphJ4
Fort Geek
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West of the Rockies
“Intellect and romance triumph over brute force and cynicism…” One can hope….
Yatsuno
So yeah, it was fecking brilliant. And Eccleson was sort of in it by proxy so he should have gotten over himself and just did the damn thing.
When I got to the Tom Baker cameo, all I could think was Sarah Jane should have been here. Then I thought cancer sucks.
Time Travelin
@Yatsuno: The exact same thought sequence occurred to me about Sarah Jane.
Walker
@Caladan:
That was not #4. That was a later incarnation of the Doctor “revisiting a familiar face” (his words exactly). We have seen that, in some circumstances, Time Lords can control the outcome of their regeneration. Romana does this after the Key to Time season.
Matt McIrvin
Stressful jobs can wear you down, but I kind of wonder what Eccleston got out of leaving early. He was in the second Thor movie theoretically as the main bad guy, but his part was tragically underwritten. He seems to be getting typecast in cheesy sci-fi/action roles anyway.
Draylon Hogg
@Caladan: Explained in 2007 Children in Need mini episode Time Crash where Tennant’s Doctor meets Peter Davison’s 5th Doctor that the timey wimey temporal paradox of meeting a future self hundreds of years older causes the younger Doctor to appear aged for the time they are together.
Draylon Hogg
@Matt McIrvin: Apparently Eccleston had major issues with the production during his time as the Doctor and didn’t like the way junior staff were treated and the culture around the show. He’s an excellent actor with a great deal of integrity and really committed to his art. Also, he allegedly resented the BBC putting out a press release announcing his departure that said he didn’t want to be typecast when he’d said no such thing.
Matt McIrvin
@Walker: The Curator seemed to leave a lot of possibilities open as to what he was. Who nose?
donnah
@Litlebritdiftrnt:
Me, too! I loved it, mostly because I adore David Tennant. Allonzie! I gulped when he said he didn’t want to go, too. Even though he’s been in other shows since Doctor Who, he’s still THE Doctor for me.
I was sad that Rose was an interface and she didn’t get to see the Doctor again.
This show was a lovely gift, and I’ll watch it again and again.
DavidTC
Was I the only one confused by Day of the Doctor?
Not the plot, which was clever and interesting, although I would have liked to see more of the time war to establish just how screwed everything was. The problem wasn’t that the time war was happening, the problem was that the time war was literally destroying all of history. They mentioned that a little, but it would have been nice to see some of the effects of that. We didn’t see any time travel in the war at all!
Also, it would have been nice to involve Paul McGann a bit more. I know they had him for filming, he did that webispode thing with the regeneration, so I don’t quite follow why they didn’t use him somewhere. (Have him collect the other Doctors or something.) Actually, I’m unclear as to why they didn’t put that regeneration in the episode, also. Show the effects of the time war, show the 8th doctor uninvolved for too long, show him regenerate into the War Doctor…and then skip forwards years and show that even he can’t ‘win’ the war and the only solution he has is to destroy both participants so there’s actually a universe left.
From what I understand, that’s the actual ‘history’…but I only know that because I watched the webispodes, and the every episode of the show. I’m not sure you could get it from just the episode itself.
Anyway, my point of confusion was…uh, how did the Doctor and Clara get out of his personal timeline? Wasn’t that supposed to be some big thing?
nomnomnom
@PaulW: Yeah, that’s not what was going on with Tom Baker’s appearance at all.
It’s pretty explicit and it’s all in the dialogue and how Baker plays it–Baker, as the Curator, is a (far) future Doc who resurrected his 4th incarnation, an old favorite (“I never forget a face;” “I know you don’t;” “You might find yourself revisiting some old favorites;” “Maybe I’m you, or maybe you’re me.”) It’s not just physical, as Baker plays it EXACTLY as he played the 4th Doc. It’s not a mystery, or all that ambiguous really. Moffat isn’t going to expect the audience to recall Time Crash as an explanation.
Draylon Hogg
@Matt McIrvin: Queen Elizabeth says I made you the curator to the Doctor
Draylon Hogg
@nomnomnom: I disagree but if that works for you, great. It was full of nods to fandom such as Coal Hill school, Kamelion to mention just two.
Woodrowfan
@nomnomnom: thank you, that makes sense…
Original Lee
@Renie: Excellent stuff. Your son is a wordsmith well worth reading! I shared the piece to FB.
hartly
Assuming anyone is still reading this thread, I’m gonna get flamed, and I probably deserve it, but…
Admittedly I didn’t see the 50th Anniversary (I stopped watching Dr Who midway through Matt Smith’s first season), but from what I’ve been reading about it, it sounds as though the show just gave itself a massively self-satisfied blowjob. Frankly it’s been blowing itself ever since David Tennant inexplicably became a star. In the 80’s fans complained about John Nathan-Turner’s pointlessly mining the series’ history, but Moffatt is like JN-T on steroids
Dr Who now has that creepy Star Trek thing going where the fans seem less interested in the actual stories and more interested in the show’s cultural impact. Thus we get tons of people – including lots of fans of the original series, who should know better – repeating that Craig Ferguson rubbish about the show championing romanticism and logic over cynicism and brutality, or however he puts it. Let’s face it, it’s getting to the point where Saturday Night Live could use Doctor Who in a version of the infamous William Shatner disses the Trekkers sketch.
Dr Who started out as a show about a far from perfect or all-powerful alien scientist exploring the universe and narrowly escaping threats to his life, freedom, or sanity. That’s an extremely open formula you can work with practically forever, but it’s lost it’s way. It’s turned into a glitzy and smug soap opera about a perfect and invulnerable Jesus figure who just loves us humans to pieces and wants to hang out with us and help us with our personal problems. And it’s now presenting said Jesus figure as a role model to the world, rather than as an interesting but morally flawed and physically vulnerable hero we should be enjoying rather than emulating. By encouraging it to think of itself as a cultural phenomenon the world can’t live without, modern fans are just helping the show make a vapid spectacle of itself. Sure, you can point to its popularity as proof of its quality if you want, but then by that logic Walker Texas Ranger, The Brady Bunch, and The Love Boat were all quality shows.
And now for the flaming…