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by John Cole|  November 24, 20139:25 pm| 102 Comments

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Looks like I am the only one around tonight. Made some spaghetti and am watching the Broncos/Pats while reading sweet, sweet neocon tears about the fact that it will be at least another six months before they can fulfill their bloodlust.

Sociopaths. Netanyahu and Bolton and those clowns deserve each other. Unfortunately, the people of the middle east, both in and out of Israel, don’t, but pay the price for these scumbags.

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  1. 1.

    Yatsuno

    November 24, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Sweet sweet Bibi tears. That makes me haz a happy. That also tells me we’re on the right course here.

  2. 2.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    November 24, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    @efgoldman: Cole isn’t thin on anything.

  3. 3.

    Mike E

    November 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Stillers/Ravens is gonna be a good tilt on Turkey day.

  4. 4.

    Chris

    November 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    Word.

  5. 5.

    Belafon

    November 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    I think almost everyone has been paying the price for Bolton. The only thing Netanyahu has been good for is his bomb cartoon at the UN; everything else has been bad.

  6. 6.

    raven

    November 24, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    @efgoldman: He meant officers.

  7. 7.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 24, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    How is Steve of the giant paws doing? My kittehs have turned into cuddle monsters now that it is getting colder.

  8. 8.

    fuckwit

    November 24, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    obama, after 100 years got us some bandaid hack that puts us on the road to universal medical care. now, after 30 years gets a first step towards normalizing relations with iran. next, what? after 70 years, get some step towards a palestinian state? maybe after 20 years, finally slowing the global disaster of climate change? obama is the best president we’ve ever had at making progress on really hard, unsolvable, long-term, intractable problems. it’s amazing. i think it’s because he’s willing to accept any infintessimally small improvement or hack, no matter how tiny, as long as it’s in the right direction. his patience and pragmstism is impressive.

  9. 9.

    Jerzy Russian

    November 24, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    The Broncos are up by 24. I am loving it so far.

  10. 10.

    SoINeedAName48

    November 24, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    So do I have this straight?

    NoBummer is willing to:
    – Have Somali pirates killed to save the life of an American citizen
    – Turn Osama Bin Laden into fish food
    – Destroy Syria’s Chemical Weapon stockpile without so much as firing a shot
    – Prevent Iranian nukes

    And it is all just to distract us from his insidious plan to:
    – Abolish lifetime caps on benefits coverage
    – Abolish the “preexisting condition” exemption
    – Provide health insurance to 30 million Americans currently without a safety net

    Boy, if that isn’t the work of an incompetent, bumbling Marxist, Commie, Socialist lackey neophyte who lucked into Harvard Law School because of “affirmative action” I don’t know what is.
    Then again, you really only need to be able to play ONE-dimensional chess when your opponents are eating paste

  11. 11.

    BruceFromOhio

    November 24, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Broncos coasting on Pats errors, quite the contrast from last meeting.

    Brrrrrrrrr.

  12. 12.

    Fergus Wooster

    November 24, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    I hate to step out from lurking with my hand out, but – any advice from the kitty lovers would be welcome.

    Our cat, normally indoors but known to sneak out into the yard, got out Wednesday and hasn’t been back. He’s never been gone more than a night before.

    I’ve flyered the neighborhood, visited the shelters, etc. Well wishers all around, but nobody has seen him.

    Question: Is there anything obvious I should be doing that I have missed? Should I be moving toward accepting the worst outcome? The last two nights have been near-freezing here in Houston. (Further complicating things – we are leaving town for Thanksgiving on Tuesday. Not easy to leave right now.)

    Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

  13. 13.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 24, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    @efgoldman: We are the unwashed masses of Balloon Juice, if we don’t whine who will? Keep the over class on its toes!

  14. 14.

    Cacti

    November 24, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Likud and Neocon tears taste so yummy and sweet.

    Obama’s ruining their chance to get their war on with Syria and Iran. By getting them to abandon chems and nukes, he’s also tearing away Israel’s fig leaf excuses for appropriating more Palestinian territory.

  15. 15.

    Cacti

    November 24, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Also too, fuck Chuck Schumer and his shoe-shining for AIPAC.

  16. 16.

    BruceFromOhio

    November 24, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    @Fergus Wooster:

    Kitteh is just as likely to be 5 houses away hiding under something because he’s completely lost, and wondering wtf? Think like a lost cat who doesn’t recognize anything. If he’s still got his hardware (eg, not fixed) look for lady cats in the ‘hood.

    And Houston warms up significantly over the holiday.

  17. 17.

    Ramiah Ariya

    November 24, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Not to spoil the party, but what has just happened is this – a bunch of colonial nations, chock full of racists and Islamophobes applied really, really cruel sanctions on one of those brown countries, until that country gave in. At some point in the future, some US SoS is going to say “Half a million Iranian dead children are worth it” and you are all going to be cheering.
    Who are the sociopaths here?

  18. 18.

    leeleeFL

    November 24, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    @SoINeedAName48: this made me chuckle and then LOL. It is so amazing that this man who seemed to come out of nowhere has been able to get to where he is and accomplish what he has against the odds he has faced. We here can take a moment and be proud of our part in it. As we all know, there was nothing inevitable in President Obama’s election. Twice. I’m smiling again!-

  19. 19.

    Paddy

    November 24, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    I spend a lot of energy this time of the year trying to find cool shit for my bro for “The Holidays”. If I had even tiny bit of belief that his wife would let him put them up, I’d sooooooo get him this-

    Star Trek Transporter Room Bath Mat & Shower Curtain Set

    Old School Trekking!

  20. 20.

    Cacti

    November 24, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    @Ramiah Ariya:

    Not to spoil the party, but what has just happened is this – a bunch of colonial nations, chock full of racists and Islamophobes applied really, really cruel sanctions on one of those brown countries, until that country gave in.

    Uh huh, and?

  21. 21.

    Sandia Blanca

    November 24, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: Check Craig’s List–lots of people use that instead of the shelters. Also keep checking the shelters in person.

    One cold winter in Austin many years ago, our cat went missing for over a day. When he finally turned up, his fur was warm to the touch! Only way that could have happened–he scammed his way into someone else’s warm home!

    Best of luck to you, I’ll keep your kitty in my prayers.

  22. 22.

    Yatsuno

    November 24, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    @Ramiah Ariya: As you are wont to do, you are missing the whole reason for the sanctions in the first place. But it’s your thing I know.

  23. 23.

    burnspbesq

    November 24, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    All youse Dook-haters will be pleased to learn that we did not win the NCAA Championship in field hockey today. UConn were the better team on the day, and deserved the win.

    Oh, and Prime Minister Netanyahu? Suck rocks.

  24. 24.

    amk

    November 24, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    @SoINeedAName48: You left out loony left’s corporatist who is totally in the pockets of wall streeters.

  25. 25.

    gogol's wife

    November 24, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    @Fergus Wooster:

    I hope kitty comes home soon. They can tolerate a lot of cold for quite a while. (That’s what the fur is for!)

  26. 26.

    opiejeanne

    November 24, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    @Yatsuno: who is that?

  27. 27.

    gogol's wife

    November 24, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    @fuckwit:

    I wish you were the executive editor of the New York Times. Then I would once again have a news source I could read without vomiting.

  28. 28.

    Yatsuno

    November 24, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    @opiejeanne: She’s a commentor from India who feels the need to keep fighting the old colonial powers because reasons.

  29. 29.

    BruceFromOhio

    November 24, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    @Ramiah Ariya:

    Not to spoil the party, but what has just happened is this – a bunch of colonial nations country that kept threatening to build a nuclear weapon, chock full of racists and Islamophobes leaders that kept threatening to destroy other countries, applied, really really cruel sanctions on one of those brown countries, until that country gave in finally figured out maybe that wasn’t such a good idea. At some point in the future, some US SoS is going to say “Half a million Iranian dead children are worth it” “Maybe we should get rid of our nuclear weapons too” and you are all going to be cheering.

    Yeah, maybe.

  30. 30.

    burnspbesq

    November 24, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    @Ramiah Ariya:

    Who are the sociopaths here?

    Any number can play, and Khamenei is in the game.

    The real reason why the west is so determined that Iran not have nuclear weapons is that nobody with a lick of sense believes that Khamenei could be deterred from using them.

  31. 31.

    El Caganer

    November 24, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Open thread, so I guess there’s no such thing as being off-topic….unseasonable freezing here in Philadelphia, which got me to thinking (while I was in the bar guzzling Capt. Morgan, obviously) about the freezing night a few years ago when I had to take my dog to the vet to put her down. Got home and became aware of just how big and dark and empty and silent a one-bedroom apartment can be. Pretty much sucked.

  32. 32.

    Manadalay

    November 24, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    At some point in the future, some US SoS is going to say “Half a million Iranian dead children are worth it” and you are all going to be cheering.

    Nice strawman you built there.

  33. 33.

    burnspbesq

    November 24, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    @El Caganer:

    Time for a new friend?

  34. 34.

    opiejeanne

    November 24, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    @Yatsuno: did she change her name? I thought this was one of the regulars with a new name because otherwise I’ve missed her until now, somehow.

  35. 35.

    Yatsuno

    November 24, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: No way. India will never give up its nuclear capability because Pakistan. The paranoia runs both ways there and the blood is still too bad between them for that to happen any time soon. That makes her comment ironic n’est-ce pas?

  36. 36.

    Steeplejack

    November 24, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    @Paddy:

    ThinkGeek has some cool stuff. I want one of their titanium sporks. Dunno why, I just do.

    . . . Holy shnikeys, they have Star Trek sporks!

  37. 37.

    Mandalay

    November 24, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    @Ramiah Ariya:

    At some point in the future, some US SoS is going to say “Half a million Iranian dead children are worth it” and you are all going to be cheering.

    Nice strawman you built there.

  38. 38.

    Fergus Wooster

    November 24, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: Thanks. I’m tempted to crawl under every house around the block, but I’m averse to getting shot.

    I hope he comes back by tomorrow; I’ll be leaving out food and water and asking the neighbors to watch when I leave town.

    Thanks to all for your thoughts.

  39. 39.

    jl

    November 24, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    I woke up to a lot of what I deem to be crocodile tears and fake panic over the Iranian agreement in the news. I guess anything but beating them with an ever increasing economic sanctions stick forever is obviously automatically either cowardice or dupitude.

    Now I see insincere posing is catching on:

    Cruz: Filibuster Rule Change ‘Will Poison The Atmosphere Of The Senate’
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-filibuster-rule-change-will-poison-the-atmosphere-of-the-senate

  40. 40.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 24, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    @Yatsuno: Are you sure its a she? The writer of the blog linked by RA’s blue name seems male.

  41. 41.

    jl

    November 24, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: Have you checked with the neighbors? I would canvas the neighborhood, ring some doorbells. When I was a kid, we recovered one lost and scared cat that way, who was just hunkered down in a yard a few doors away.

    Though, I hope you don’t live in a stand-your-ground state with irate and sketchy neighbors.

  42. 42.

    max

    November 24, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: Question: Is there anything obvious I should be doing that I have missed? Should I be moving toward accepting the worst outcome? The last two nights have been near-freezing here in Houston. (Further complicating things – we are leaving town for Thanksgiving on Tuesday. Not easy to leave right now.)

    Well, my cat somehow jumped off when he was about 8 months old. We looked high and low and no sign of him. Then after two days I noticed paw prints on the front support joist for the balcony of my apartment. Looked like he had tried to jump up and had *just* missed a clawhold. So I knew he was around. I slept with my window open and along about 3 o’clock in the morning of the third day I heard him outside, ran outside and got him. He was very happy to see me.

    Cats are solitary predators so in high traffic areas they’ll be nocturnal.

    max
    [‘If you haven’t given up, you should probably stay in town. He’ll be wanting to come back no matter how far he gets.’]

  43. 43.

    Lyrebird

    November 24, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Hear, hear!

    Also — attempted joke re: John’s post:

    Clown libel!

    (closest thing to a funny that I can think of in the same breath with the vileness of Bolton)

  44. 44.

    BruceFromOhio

    November 24, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    @Yatsuno: Oooh, Pakistan! Nicely done.

  45. 45.

    Yatsuno

    November 24, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    @opiejeanne: Not as I recall. But I suppose that’s possible.

    @burnspbesq: Khamaeni is not my concern with nukes in Iran. The Revolutionary Guard is. And if you think they wouldn’t use them without the sanction of the Supreme Leader I gots me a bridge ya might be interested in. In fact, any inspection regime has to include RG facilities or it will be meaningles.

  46. 46.

    burnspbesq

    November 24, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Ramiya came from Miami F-L-A,
    Hitachhiked her way across the USA,
    Plucked her eyebrows on the way,
    Shaved her legs and then he was a she

  47. 47.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 24, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: No advice, but I hope you find your kitteh soon.

  48. 48.

    Yatsuno

    November 24, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I thought that was the identity given, but I could be mistaken. If so I apologise for my error.

  49. 49.

    CaseyL

    November 24, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: Any chance the little guy was chipped? Shelters and vets scan new lost kittie arrivals, so if he does turn up at a shelter or vet office, they’ll be able to get in touch with you.

    If he has any spot that he likes to hang out (like a greenbelt, park, or someone’s backyard) you could go there, call his name, and stay long enough for him to realize you’re there and come to you. (Cats have amazing hearing, but if they’re in an unfamiliar place may need some time to home in on the sound of your voice.)

    Putting food out is a good idea, esp. if you’re leaving town for the weekend. He might not want to come near a stranger.

    Best of luck, and I hope he comes home soon!

  50. 50.

    opiejeanne

    November 24, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    @Yatsuno: thanks. It may just be the drugs I’m on for a nasty case of the flu.

  51. 51.

    Fergus Wooster

    November 24, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    @jl: I’ve rung some doorbells, posted flyers – and I’ll ring more bells tomorrow afternoon.

    Here’s hoping. . .

  52. 52.

    opiejeanne

    November 24, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: along with leaving food out, leave a piece of clothing like a shirt near it, one that hasn’t been washed so that it smells like you.

  53. 53.

    Chris

    November 24, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Ah, the old nugget that “if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they’ll totally use it, because Crazy Muslims argle bargle.” I hadn’t heard that one since I read Bibi’s reaction to the deal this morning.

    So Khamenei broke down and signed this treaty because of a few hundred more Iranian children going hungry… but he’s also such an unreasoning fanatic that he’d totally use nuclear weapons if he had them, despite the knowledge that in so doing he’d be signing the death warrant of these children and his entire nation at the hands of the inevitable Israeli and/or American response?

    What a guy.

  54. 54.

    burnspbesq

    November 24, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    @Yatsuno:

    We may have to agree to disagree on that one. I’m inclined to view the Quds Force as the trump card, and it’s pretty clear at whose behest they operate.

  55. 55.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 24, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    @Yatsuno: I am not sure, I vaguely remember, that I once clicked on his/her name and found several posts about arranged marriage, where RA talked about his wife but I could be wrong. Gender aside, RA always comes and lectures, trying to show BJers the error of their ways.

  56. 56.

    opiejeanne

    November 24, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: oh, and call your cat up and down the street but stop and listen for a while. Kitty may be shut in a garage or shed.

  57. 57.

    StringOnAStick

    November 24, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: We’re now on “winter rules” in our house, which means whoever has their lap occupied by our always-too-cold cat is free of dinner making duties and can request herb tea refills at will.

  58. 58.

    David Koch

    November 24, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    I realize I’m probably asking the wrong crowd, but did any of you old timers put on your teeth and support stocking and go out and catch Hunger Games II?

  59. 59.

    burnspbesq

    November 24, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    @Chris:

    You’re yapping loudly, but you’re not giving me any reason to reconsider my view.

    Guy says “death to the Great Satan” often enough, it’s not irrational to think he really means it.

    Unless you have some basis to think otherwise. If you do, feel free to share.

  60. 60.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 24, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    @StringOnAStick: I has boss cat on my lap as I am typing this. I am his favored human.

  61. 61.

    Chris

    November 24, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Guy says “death to the Great Satan,” has been in power since 1989, and still hasn’t done anything about it? Yep, he sounds committed as hell.

  62. 62.

    Paddy

    November 24, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: My Iggy was about 14 the first time he got out and disappeared. Mind you, he was a TOTAL indoor cat. No clue what got into him. We walked the streets, drove in the car slowly shaking the bag of food, wandered around bushes, sat in the back yard for HOURS hoping to catch a glimpse. A week later, in mourning mode, I went to make coffee in the a.m. and there he was, sitting on a chair on the porch. Scraggly, dirty and missing about half of his tail, but good to go. Never even glanced outside for the remaining 4 years of his life.

    They’re just unpredictable.

  63. 63.

    opiejeanne

    November 24, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    @David Koch: when I recover from this nasty flu I will bundle into my anorak and venture out to see it.

  64. 64.

    Redshirt

    November 24, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Did Cole used to participate in his own threads, in the past?

  65. 65.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    November 24, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Did I miss an update on the doggies? I’ve had a taxing weekend with inlaws visiting (which leaves me wondering how cut out I am for this whole domestic situation). This means I’ve only seen some frantic requests for an update.

    How are the dogs, Bobdammit?

  66. 66.

    Fergus Wooster

    November 24, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    @opiejeanne: Thanks – shirt hanging now. I’ll pace again and listen tomorrow.

    And Max – I’m now trying to arrange to stay home while the wife and the kids travel for Thanksgiving.

  67. 67.

    burnspbesq

    November 24, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    @Chris:

    “Biding his time until he has the means to do something about it” didn’t occur to you?

    Iran has no need for a nuclear deterrent. We wouldn’t launch a first strike, and Israel has never had the ability to launch a first strike over that much distance.

    If you eliminate deterrence as a plausible reason for Iran to want nukes, there’s only one reason left.

  68. 68.

    Chris

    November 24, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    “We wouldn’t launch a first strike?”

    That’s your argument for why Iran doesn’t need a nuclear weapon? “We’re the good guys, just trust us?” Seriously?

  69. 69.

    jl

    November 24, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    ” Iran has no need for a nuclear deterrent. We wouldn’t launch a first strike, and Israel has never had the ability to launch a first strike over that much distance.

    If you eliminate deterrence as a plausible reason for Iran to want nukes, there’s only one reason left. ”

    Sure. I guess the clerics who run Iran know what we cannot, that the fanatical GOPers will never run the U.S. government again. Iran was named as a star player in the dumb idea of some kind of unified Axis of Evil. And knowing what we cannot the Iranian leaders are displaying their evil ways in not thinking exactly like you do.

    The issue of an Iranian nuclear program is not going away. I remember when the mullahs were stealing the presidential election several years ago, I read polls that the vast majority of Iranians believed that their country had a right to pursue a nuclear program. And I wondered about this, but then heard interviews with dissidents who said exactly that, and got a little huffy when European and U.S. journalist brought up the topic, often assuming that dissidents would be opposed.

    I wonder what kind of agreement, no matter how temporary, exploratory, trial, whatever, would be acceptable to some of the other actors in the Middle East, short of Iran doing just whatever Likud and those very admirable leaders of Saudi Arabia want them to.

    There is going to be a Muslim governed Iran, one that may continue to be horrible, or one hopes soon a better one. But unless public opinion there changes, the country will be pursuing some kind of nuclear program. And I suppose people think they are less capable of making a few bombs under strict sanctions than North Korea?

    At some point, I think a reasonable person has to conclude that some people, some political parties (edit in Israel and the U.S.), and some despots nearby want to bomb the place, and that is their bottom line.

  70. 70.

    scav

    November 24, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    @Chris: Worse, trust the intentions, actions and white hat good guy intentions of Israel if technical constraints alter? The Geneva Conventions are officially optional with that lot on a good day, and then there are the hard-liners on a grumpy day.

  71. 71.

    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

    November 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    @jl:

    But unless public opinion there changes, the country will be pursuing some kind of nuclear program. And I suppose people think they are less capable of making a few bombs under strict sanctions than North Korea?

    Anybody who thinks you can prevent a country from acquiring 70-year-old technology if they really want to is living in a fool’s paradise.

    I think they’re considerably more capable of making a few bombs than North Korea. When Bush got in and reneged on the Agreed Framework Clinton negotiated, the North Koreans fired up their toy reactor and cooked up some plutonium. IMO, they probably cooked it too long—that’s why their three tests have gone: 1) absolutely nothing, 2) fizzle, 3) dud. (And that’s probably their stockpile right there.)

    @ burnspbesq: And as far as why Khamenei hasn’t delivered on his bellicose rhetoric “yet”—has living in the US the last 30 years not familiarized you with the concept of playing to one’s base?

  72. 72.

    MomSense

    November 24, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    @David Koch:

    I was supposed to go with my boys to see it but I have been dealing with flu instead. They loved it and said it was better than the first.

  73. 73.

    catclub

    November 24, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    @opiejeanne: Our cat loved attics. And was in the next door neighbors attic one morning.

  74. 74.

    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

    November 24, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    And I trust Israel as far as I could throw the Wailing Wall—imagine how much less the people they’ve been threatening for 65 years trust them.

  75. 75.

    Schlemizel

    November 24, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    @Redshirt:
    There was a time years ago but now he just drops a turd & leaves us to ourselves.

    See also:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
    I don’t think we missed it. Several people have asked but unless its on the front page he apparently doesn’t see it, and maybe not then either. I guess we have to assume that no news is good news.

  76. 76.

    CatHairEverywhere

    November 24, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    My Onyx ended up in the attic of two different neighbors, one year apart. He is a lucky boy- the first neighbor caught a glimpse of Onyx’s reflective collar just as he was boarding up the hole into his attic. I had to climb up there and coax him out. A year later, he went missing again, so I went door-to-door asking about attics with holes. A woman in the house right behind us told me her husband had boarded up an attic hole the day Onyx went missing. He didn’t believe me that a cat was stuck in there, (Onyx hadn’t been meowing- he was too terrified) but I persisted, and we got him out of there after a couple of days of climbing into the attic and calling him. He wouldn’t come when I called him- eventually, we had to open the attic back and put food by the hole. He ran home and we helped the neighbor put the board back.

  77. 77.

    gvg

    November 24, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Lost cats-listen at night when it’s very quiet. i had a cat as a kid that got ‘lost” twice. both times she got locked in a neighbors attic-chasing mice we think. first time my mom “found’ her by hearing her very faintly in the early quiet morning easter morning playing easter bunny for me. Only heard her because it was so quiet. The neighbors were away for the week but fortunately had asked my parents to keep an eye on the house and left us the key. 2nd time it was the other neighbor and pretty much the same except we thought of listening and checking attics.
    20 years later a different cat was missing and someone saw my flyers and came and told me he had seen her hiding and running out of the apartment laundry room late at night. She evidently was so scared she wasn’t coming out for food except late late at night when all the scarey noises stopped. Night owl student saw her. I hid in my car where I could watch the laundry door until i saw her and called her over. That grad student barely spoke english but cared enough to come tell me.
    Cats tend to be nocturnal hunters anyway and machines and stuff they don’t know about must be scarey.
    Craigslist is also probably a good idea. they didn’t used to have that but I’ve seen lost pet pictures there myself.

  78. 78.

    Princess Leia

    November 24, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: I always do the night walk when one of mine goes missing. Too noisy during the day. Somehow I can concentrate better on muted meows when I walkabout late at night. I also shake a bag of treats as I call. Hope you find the sweet baby soon!!

  79. 79.

    opiejeanne

    November 25, 2013 at 12:14 am

    @Fergus Wooster: Lay that shirt down, so the kitty can make a bed in it. Your scent may attract him back to your yard. Cats have a really good sense of smell.

  80. 80.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 12:26 am

    @Fergus Wooster: Really sorry to hear you are missing a cat. Hope it all works out OK, soon.

  81. 81.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 12:27 am

    @Yatsuno: OK, suppose X is the “reason for the sanctions.” What is the reason for X?

  82. 82.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 12:28 am

    @SoINeedAName48: Nicely done. Thank you for that.

  83. 83.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 12:31 am

    @Yatsuno: If so I apologise for my error.

    May I ask which one?

  84. 84.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 12:35 am

    @burnspbesq:

    Iran has no need for a nuclear deterrent.

    A remarkable statement.

    Hilarious also.

  85. 85.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 12:41 am

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Gender aside, RA always comes and lectures, trying to show BJers the error of their ways.

    And … ?

    It’s an impossible task because no such errors exist?

    Lectures are offensive and we can only learn from someone who shows us The Proper Respect?

    We can’t be taught at all?

    What?

  86. 86.

    Suffern ACE

    November 25, 2013 at 12:47 am

    @burnspbesq:

    sense believes that Khamenei could be deterred from using them.

    Well, we could let Iran set up a naval base in Nantucket similar to that little base we have in Bahrain. Then he might feel less threatened when one of our politicians spouts off about our desire for regime change.

  87. 87.

    Suzanne

    November 25, 2013 at 12:53 am

    @David Koch: Yes, Mr. Suzanne and I took Spawn the Elder last night. We all loved it.

    I am trying to decide if I should get Mr. Suzanne a monocle for Christmas.

  88. 88.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 25, 2013 at 1:18 am

    @Cervantes: Trying to prevent additions to the nuclear weapons club. The more countries that have them, the more likely someone will fuck up and use them. Finding a solution to Iranian security concerns without nukes is a good thing.

  89. 89.

    Jane2

    November 25, 2013 at 1:23 am

    @Fergus Wooster: Indoor cats have no outside territory and generally find a hiding place very close to home. My Phil stayed under the neighbour’s porch for three days one winter, and he finally came out at 5 am.

  90. 90.

    beabea

    November 25, 2013 at 1:27 am

    @Fergus Wooster: Here’s an article I have found to be very helpful in these situations; talks about how lost pets behave in predictable ways, and how understanding that behavior can help you find them:

    Cats who are afraid or injured will seek areas of concealment such as under a deck, under a house, under a porch, or in heavy brush.

    Most critically, these cats will not meow. Meowing would give up their location to a predator. Their behavior has nothing to do with whether the cat loves you, recognizes your voice, or whether s/he can smell you. It has everything to do with the fact that a panicked cat will hide in silence. So just because you do not see or hear your cat does not mean that s/he is not very close to home.

    I used to help with a “lost pets” Facebook page and wrote up this Lost Pet To-Do List. Good luck, hope you find your kitty!

  91. 91.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 1:49 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I agree with what you write but I don’t see that it addresses the question I asked (someone else).

    Anyway, “trying to prevent additions to the nuclear weapons club” is a great idea in principle. An even better idea in principle is to encourage subtractions.

    For example: Netanyahu says we gave Iran the “deal of the century.” If it is such a great deal for Iran, how’s about we offer the same terms to Israel? Let Israel abjure the development of nuclear weapons. Let Israel swear off refining uranium, plutonium, and what-have-you. Let Israel have “atoms for peace” only. And let Israel accept the same monitoring and verification regimes we want to (and should) impose on Iran. And if the Israelis reject this “deal of the century,” what should we do? Should we perhaps sic Saxby Chambliss and Lindsey Graham and John “Barbara Ann” McCain on ’em?

  92. 92.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 25, 2013 at 2:04 am

    @Cervantes: The reason for sanctions is an interest in avoiding additions to the nuke club. That is the “x.” There are negotiations going on on multiple levels about reducing nuke levels worldwide. this is a part of them. Stopping proliferation is a good thing. Isn’t it?

    BTW, in terms of your internet etiquette perceptions, how was I wrong for responding to the comments?

  93. 93.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 2:08 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: BTW, in terms of your internet etiquette perceptions, how was I wrong for responding to the comments?

    Not wrong at all. Anyone is free to respond; plus I always welcome your comments.

    Sorry if my words gave a different impression — it was inadvertent.

  94. 94.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 2:10 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: The reason for sanctions is an interest in avoiding additions to the nuke club.

    If that were the case, we’d be imposing sanctions on all non-nuclear states.

    There must be more to it than that.

  95. 95.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 25, 2013 at 2:15 am

    @Cervantes: Avoiding an increase in the nuke club is good. Effecting a decrease in the nuke club is a laudable, but not achievable goal. Iranian leaders saw what happened to Iraq and what happened to N. Korea. They made reasonable judgments. We are dealing with the results of the Bush Admin. It has had consequences.

  96. 96.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 25, 2013 at 2:18 am

    @Cervantes: No. Only a few states are in a position that would be marginally improved by having nuke capabilities. Iran is one.

  97. 97.

    Cervantes

    November 25, 2013 at 2:55 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Sorry, I’m not following.

    You say (1): “The reason for sanctions is an interest in avoiding additions to the nuke club.”

    I say (2): “If that were the case, we’d be imposing sanctions on all non-nuclear states.”

    You say (3): “No. Only a few states are in a position that would be marginally improved by having nuke capabilities. Iran is one.”

    To me, (3) is a non sequitur. Anyhow, I’m not particularly interested in (3). Someone had accused someone else of “missing the whole reason for the sanctions [against Iran] in the first place.” I was probing this accusation — in vain, it appears.

  98. 98.

    jayboat

    November 25, 2013 at 8:23 am

    @beabea:
    Great advice. Human beans project a lot of their own ideas and emotions into situations without thinking it through. Ya gotta think like the cat..

    Cheese was a total indoor cat for the first 7 years. He slipped out one afternoon- so the first thing I did was walk all the way around the block barefoot, just in case he needed help. haha.

    I suspected he was in the stand of bushes in the back yard, and that night I could see his eyes reflecting. Left the back slider open a few inches and he was back in his spot the next morning when I got up.

  99. 99.

    Paul in KY

    November 25, 2013 at 9:10 am

    @Fergus Wooster: Cold should not kill a cat (level of cold you mentioned). Hoping for best.

  100. 100.

    Paul in KY

    November 25, 2013 at 9:16 am

    @burnspbesq: I think Israel has capability to perform a first strike. Can use their planes.

  101. 101.

    chopper

    November 25, 2013 at 10:15 am

    @Cervantes:

    if Israel were under the thumb of some pretty brutal sanctions it would be a good deal for them too. given that they aren’t, there’s not much of a meaningful comparison.

  102. 102.

    Kelly

    November 25, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    @Fergus Wooster: When you go around the neighbourhood calling his name, make sure you stop and wait for a few minutes before you move on- give him a chance to come to you.

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