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by Betty Cracker|  December 6, 201312:53 pm| 93 Comments

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Don’t know where everyone else is, but kindly accept this image of kangaroos invading a golf course during the Australian Open as a token of my esteem, and feel free to discuss whatever.

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  1. 1.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Obviously, they’re inspecting for improperly replaced divots.

    Yes, I know that’s a green. But this is Australia we’re talking about.

  2. 2.

    Alex

    December 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    World Cup Draw!

    GROUP A — Brazil, Croatia, Mexico, Cameroon
    GROUP B — Spain, Netherlands, Chile, Australia
    GROUP C — Colombia, Greece, Ivory Coast, Japan
    GROUP D — Uruguay, Costa Rica, England, Italy
    GROUP E — Switzerland, Ecuador, France, Honduras
    GROUP F — Argentina, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Iran, Nigeria
    GROUP G — Germany, Portugal, Ghana, United States
    GROUP H — Belgium, Algeria, Russia, South Korea

    Them kangaroos are dead.

    And the big question — deathiest of the groups between Group B, Group D, or Group G.

  3. 3.

    ruemara

    December 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Trying to decide if 6 years of producing a live government program counts as reality tv. It’s as real as it gets, no filters, straight in and straight out to the masses. With one finger on the police line if things get out of hand. But as of yet, no one has gotten into a hair pulling fight while ripping each other’s dresses off, no matter how often I’ve encouraged the electeds and lobbyists.

  4. 4.

    MattF

    December 6, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    It’s been mentioned in earlier threads– but– this is actually shocking:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-santorum-nelson-mandela-obamacare-apartheid

    Note that Santorum is comparing himself favorably to Nelson Mandela. Mandela was brave and noble, but politically wrong.

  5. 5.

    Ruckus

    December 6, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Best use of a golf course ever.

  6. 6.

    schrodinger's cat

    December 6, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    He doesn’t have a prayer.

  7. 7.

    burnspbesq

    December 6, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Portugal: Ronaldo and … who?
    Ghana can be wildly inconsistent.
    It’s not like we’re unfamiliar with Germany.

    Tough but do-able.

  8. 8.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    December 6, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Oi! Skippy!

  9. 9.

    Betty Cracker

    December 6, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    @ruemara:

    But as of yet, no one has gotten into a hair pulling fight while ripping each other’s dresses off, no matter how often I’ve encouraged the electeds and lobbyists.

    Jeeh-ree!
    Jeeh-ree!
    Jeeh-ree!

  10. 10.

    MattF

    December 6, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    And, by-the-way, a collection of kangaroos is referred to as a ‘mob’ of kangaroos.

  11. 11.

    MikeJ

    December 6, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    @ruemara: “The true story of seven strangers, picked to work in a city council, work together and have their lives taped, to find out what happens when people stop campaigning… and start legislating.”

  12. 12.

    cckids

    December 6, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    @MattF: Jesus.

    I was up at 3 a.m. to take care of my son, and Morning Joe was on. Some dim bulb actually said that Mandela was “standing astride history yelling “STOP”, just like Wm F. Buckley”.

    No idea who said it, I just blearily turned it off. The total moronity of it just . . . wears me out.

  13. 13.

    catclub

    December 6, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    @Alex: Group D for death.

    OTOH – Mexico might make it through.

  14. 14.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    @Alex:

    Man, group D looks like a pit of wolves ripping each other to shreds.

    No mas!

  15. 15.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    @cckids:

    Well, it is the intern killer saying it, after all.

  16. 16.

    StringOnAStick

    December 6, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    I knew a true winger once who made a big deal about how he was going to Australia soon, and considered it a sacred duty to go ‘roo hunting, and to kill as many as possible. Yes, some consider them pests and they are a bit like our out of control deer population, but this had more to do with making sure everyone within earshot knew just how big of an NRA supporter he was and that he lived in AZ strictly because of the ‘gun rights’ he enjoyed there. He was a complete and total loon.

  17. 17.

    ruemara

    December 6, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    @MikeJ: heh, close to the truth right there. Now if we only had had a camera set up for the private meetings.

  18. 18.

    Redshirt

    December 6, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Crikey! That’s a bunga wunga of ‘roos mate!

  19. 19.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 6, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    @cckids:

    Some dim bulb actually said that Mandela was “standing astride history yelling “STOP”, just like Wm F. Buckley”.

    Mandela was a left-wing revolutionary. How he could be a Buckleyian conservative is a bit beyond my understanding.

  20. 20.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    @ruemara:

    Here’s the thing about reality TV: it is scripted. Period. All of it. It doesn’t always look like it is, because normal people are not great at improvising, but all of those shows have a script that they follow where the “actors” are supposed to get from Point A to Point B in the scene.

    Which is kind of like a meeting agenda, if you get my drift.

  21. 21.

    ranchandsyrup

    December 6, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    I love that a group of kangaroos is a mob.

  22. 22.

    Keith P

    December 6, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Oh, nice, the Texans finally – FINALLY – fired Gary Kubiak. I’ve been hearing about that jerkoff since I was in jr. high (he went to the high school that most of my classmates went to). Glad to finally be rid of him and his outdated “playmenu”.

  23. 23.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Reality TV is scripted just like normal comedies or dramas, but the on air talent is paid substantially less.

    Which means more money in the pockets of the producers, who are, in reality, parasites.

  24. 24.

    feebog

    December 6, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Obviously, they’re inspecting for improperly replaced divots.

    Yes, I know that’s a green. But this is Australia we’re talking about.

    No, that is not a green, but a well mowed fairway. Reminds me though of the great Lion’s Tackle Alex Karras, who sponsored a charity golf tournament every year. He usually had a few wild animals let loose like a zebra or several antelope just to make things interesting. Also the old disappearing ball trick on one hole, putt it in the hole and you ball goes down a six foot hole. Good times.

  25. 25.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 6, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    That kangaroo stole my ball!

  26. 26.

    ruemara

    December 6, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    @Mnemosyne: ahh, I see where you’re going. I know it’s scripted, but I had not seen the parallels. Hmm. I think I can reword a few descriptions here and there.

    @Villago Delenda Est: Hey! May I one day be a more symbiotic parasite.

  27. 27.

    burnspbesq

    December 6, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Man, group D looks like a pit of wolves ripping each other to shreds.

    The bad puns write themselves. E,g., “Hannibal Suarez will feast on the England defense.”

    I actually think Group B is the toughest. Poor Australia.

  28. 28.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Which means more money in the pockets of the producers, who are, in reality, parasites.

    Money in the pockets of the executive producers. All those people listed as “producers” at the end of the show? Those are the writers, and they are not covered by the Writer’s Guild contract, which means the executive producers can pay them below union minimums … and they do.

    That’s one of the reasons networks love reality shows: none of the talent (on-screen or off) is union, so they can slash their salaries.

  29. 29.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 6, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Here’s the thing about reality TV: it is scripted. Period. All of it.
    That moment when Papa Duggar was trying to stammer out an endorsement for Ken Cuccinelli and couldn’t pronounce (among other things) the candidate’s name, and kept saying “Oh, let’s try that again” was a window into “reality TV”

  30. 30.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    @ruemara:

    Slight clarification so as not to scare you off too much: I think most of the technicians (camera, sound, editing, etc.) are covered by union rules and get union pay. As usual, it’s the writers and actors who get screwed in reality TV.

  31. 31.

    Amir Khalid

    December 6, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Once, at an IBM facility somewhere in upstate New York, I looked out the window and saw a flock of large birds (peafowl, if memory serves). The lady showing us journos from Asia around the place explained that the birds were a nuisance: sometimes they’d come onto the golf course on the company grounds and make off with a golf ball or two.

    I’m glad I decided not to tell her I felt the same way about golf.

  32. 32.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Once again, I sit humbly corrected.

    These people are such fucking slime. Cruciate the lot.

  33. 33.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    @MattF:

    And, by-the-way, a collection of kangaroos is referred to as a ‘mob’ of kangaroos.

    Head roo and noted tough guy, “Crazy Joey,” was heard to say “Nice golf course you got here, mate. Be a shame if anything happened to it … ”

    Meanwhile, his consigliere – also named Joey, interestingly enough – was heard to tell the soldiers “Just jump! You don’t have to say Boing Boing Boing!”

  34. 34.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    It’s a pretty big deal in the industry — the WGA has been trying to get the reality writers organized and covered by WGA rules, but the executive producers are (obviously) resisting.

    The WGA has some interesting articles about the fight. This one is How Reality TV Works.

  35. 35.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    @ruemara:

    You’re probably already one. I think Mnemosyne drew the distinctions much more starkly, and accurately, than I did in my haste to be outraged.

  36. 36.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    @SFAW:

    OK, you just caused me to startle the cat. Good thing I finished off my coffee a few minutes back, or a keyboard soaking would have taken place.

  37. 37.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m glad I decided not to tell her I felt the same way about golf.

    Wait, I’m not sure I understand – are you saying that golf makes off with your balls?

  38. 38.

    Amir Khalid

    December 6, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    @burnspbesq:
    The best thing about following England’s progress through any football tournament is the ritual wailing and rending of garments after they get knocked out, whenever that is. No stiff upper lip there; the Inggeris show you how experts do maudlin self-pity.

  39. 39.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    For which? The protection racket thing? Or the Gary Larson theft?

    ETA: And my apologies to your cat, of course.

  40. 40.

    Cervantes

    December 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    What I see is golfers invading a previously healthy kangaroo habitat.

  41. 41.

    Amir Khalid

    December 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @SFAW:
    Sputter. Oh, for goodness sake … I meant I felt the same way the birds did.

  42. 42.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @SFAW:

    Oh, it was a one-two combo thing.

    The Gary Larson theft, though, was just more of his brilliance. Also, the word “boing” is in and of itself giggle inducing.

  43. 43.

    handsmile

    December 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Defense: Pepe, Coentrao, Alves, Pererira/R. Costa
    Midfield: Nani, Moutinho, Veloso/Meireles
    Forward: CR7, Almeida, Postiga/Varela

    Other than keeper, the USNMT doesn’t match up man-to-man or have the depth/experience of the Portuguese squad. And just to be clear, I loathe Portugal. Filthy players.

    “Do-able”? Perhaps, with injuries.

    Agree that Groups B and D are the “deathiest” (h/t Alex). And the football gods have certainly smiled benignly on Argentina, Belgium, and France.

  44. 44.

    Cervantes

    December 6, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    @MattF: It’s not shocking at all.

  45. 45.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I meant I felt the same way the birds did.

    Oh, so now it’s you that wants to make off with the golfers’ balls? I didn’t realize you were into that kinky shit.

    For someone I’ve always respected, you’re startin’ to lose me, bucko.

  46. 46.

    Cervantes

    December 6, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Mandela was a left-wing revolutionary.

    He always claimed to be a radical but not a revolutionary.

    (Gary Younge makes the same point today.)

  47. 47.

    Amir Khalid

    December 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    @SFAW:
    No, no, no! I want to take away the golfers’ golf balls, not their …

  48. 48.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Yeah, the “Boing” cartoon is one of my favorites. Right up there with the pilot saying “What’s a mountain goat doing way up here in a cloud bank?”

    And “God’s gift to warthogs.”

    and
    and
    and

    Just too many great ones from him.

  49. 49.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    @SFAW:

    Cat Fud —>

    “Oh please, please, please…”

  50. 50.

    LanceThruster

    December 6, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Kangaroos are really Just T-Rex Deers

  51. 51.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    It’s OK, Amir, I still love you. In a manly-man kind of way, of course.

    But I have an embarrassing (for me) question, because I’m old and have CRS Syndrome: do you live in the States? Or over where Vizzini warned us not to get in a land war? (For a long time, I thought you were here, but I thought I read that you’re in Malaysia? Really sorry for the stupid question.)

  52. 52.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Cat Fud

    Interestingly enough, I was thinking of that one a day or two ago.

  53. 53.

    Ben Cisco

    December 6, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    I miss Rocko.

  54. 54.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 6, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    @Alex:

    ESPN headline: Jurgen Klinsmann: ‘It’s a difficult group’

    Ah, the famous German understatement.

    Still, positive vibes from him.

  55. 55.

    ruemara

    December 6, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Oh, I know. I read up things. But at this point, even non-union pay (which is all I’d be eligible for) is better than the no-pay thing. Better by degrees is still better.

  56. 56.

    Amir Khalid

    December 6, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    @SFAW:
    I wuv you too. I am indeed Malaysian. As I often mention, I live in Kuala Lumpur, quite near the Petronas Towers.

  57. 57.

    Redshirt

    December 6, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Survivor’s not scripted, but then, it’s not a reality show.

  58. 58.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    @ruemara:

    Oh, yeah, money’s money when you don’t have any! But it’s probably good to be aware of the WGA actions in case you (a) get the job and (b) have an opportunity to vote for a union.

  59. 59.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    @Redshirt:

    Technically, “Survivor” is a game show, IIRC.

  60. 60.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    As I often mention,

    And as I (apparently) often miss. Of course, my B-J reading has dropped significantly in the last year.

    I blame Clinton Obama.

  61. 61.

    ranchandsyrup

    December 6, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    @SFAW: I was too. It was when the congressional hearings about impeachment (while trying not to say the word) was happening.

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    December 6, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I love that you used the word “peafowl.” Most people around here call all of them — males and females — “peacocks.” Sometimes I want to say, “That’s a peaHEN, dumbass!”

  63. 63.

    Pogonip

    December 6, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Wasn’t Chile where the angry spectators dismembered the ref? Or was that Argentina? Wherever it is I don’t want to live there. In the video at the morgue was saying “You gotta see THIS!”. They were unsurprised, as if that sort of thing happened all season. Yikes!

  64. 64.

    Pogonip

    December 6, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Er, no one AT the morgue was saying, etc. Sorry.

    It’s snowing like crazy here.

  65. 65.

    handsmile

    December 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    @Pogonip:

    Brazil. Decapitated. But to be fair, it was after the referee had fatally stabbed a player during the match. (Evidently, he had run out of penalty cards.)

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/07/brazilian-referee-decapitated-stabs-player

    It’s not called “the beautiful game” for nothing, you know.

  66. 66.

    kuvasz

    December 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Love that pix, and imagine the golfer asking the caddy for a suggestion on what club to use:

    “Blimey, mate what’s in the bag for this sort of thing? ” ….”I don’t know boss, a boomerang?”

  67. 67.

    burnspbesq

    December 6, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    St. Peter’s College’s sports teams are nicknamed the Peacocks, which creates an interesting conundrum (similar to the one faced by South Carolina) with respect to the women’s teams.

    When the South Carolina women lose to Clemson, is the headline “Tigers Feast on Game Hens?”

  68. 68.

    DocSardonic

    December 6, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Peafowl …. grandiosely plumed giant feathered rats with Marshall powered party noisemakers. Florida should declare an open season.

  69. 69.

    ShadeTail

    December 6, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    The truth about golf:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4w7H48tBS8

  70. 70.

    Citizen_X

    December 6, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    @MattF:

    Santorum is comparing himself favorably to Nelson Mandela.

    Please proceed, Frothy.

  71. 71.

    Jebediah, RBG

    December 6, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Depends on the show. I worked on a bunch of the dating reality shows that aired on VH1. I was in post and none of it was union.

  72. 72.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    @Jebediah, RBG:

    Cable vs. network. IIRC, the big four networks can’t sneak around union rules like that (especially since most of them own their reality shows) but the cable networks can.

  73. 73.

    Pogonip

    December 6, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    @handsmile: My apologies to Chile and Argentina.

  74. 74.

    Jebediah, RBG

    December 6, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Wasn’t “Biggest Loser” airing on NBC? It was produced by 3 Ball, not directly by NBC, and the crew walked out in 2010 in an attempt to get a union contract. I recall being surprised by that, as I thought that anything airing on a network would be union-made. (I knew that cable shows were often non-union, since I had worked on some of them. I had worked non-union on something for Fox, but that wasn’t even really a pilot, just a pitch if I remember correctly.)

  75. 75.

    j

    December 6, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    @Mnemosyne: The “Duck Dynasty” guys are in a fight with the producers for randomly adding bleeps to their discussions and editing out any religious talk just to push the “ignorant hick” meme.

    http://tv.yahoo.com/news/duck-dynasty-star-reveals-clash-producers-over-fake-224906242.html

    So it doesn’t even have to be scripted, just heavily edited.

  76. 76.

    Paula

    December 6, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    @Alex:
    @Villago Delenda Est:

    We’re gonna loooooooooose …

    And it’s OK. Those are some worthy teams to lose to.

    OK, wallowing over: I say bring it on. The USMNT have emotional baggage with every one of those teams. It can be a load ti carry … or they can use it to fuel the fire.

  77. 77.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    @Jebediah, RBG:

    Honestly, I’m not sure — I mostly keep up with the WGA news since I aspire to be a member someday. ;-) I would also be surprised to hear that they were using a non-union crew on a network show, but maybe they were able to do it because it was a production company making it, not the network.

  78. 78.

    Jebediah, RBG

    December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    @j:

    So it doesn’t even have to be scripted, just heavily edited.

    On the crappy dating-elimination shows I worked on, there wasn’t a pre-written “script” as such, but of course the situations (challenges, competitions, etc.) were planned in advance. The script that ended up being given to the editors was written by the producers after the fact, working from transcripts of everything every cast member said that day. (In my opinion, that counts as writing and I thought they should have had WGA representation.)
    And of course through editing, any cast member’s actions or opinions can be wildly misrepresented – as the Duck Dynasty guys seem to be finding out.

  79. 79.

    Mnemosyne

    December 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    @j:

    As I understand it, the shows are essentially improvised — the producers tell the participants (aka actors) what they want them to do or talk about that day, and the cast improvs it. As I said, one of the reasons the shows are often so crappy is that they use non-actors who don’t know how to improvise, so that’s why the dialogue is so bad. (“I’m not here to make friends!”)

    But if improvisation doesn’t count as writing, then Larry David needs to give all of his awards back for “Curb Your Enthusiasm.”

  80. 80.

    Jebediah, RBG

    December 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Yeah, I think it’s the outside production company that lets that happen.
    But that might not be true for all crafts – we were being asked to support the walk out/pickets even though it wasn’t editorial that was trying to organize. Maybe MPEG has agreements with the networks that other locals/crafts don’t – meaning maybe you wouldn’t see a show on a network where the editors were non-union, but maybe the grips would be.
    As for you joining the WGA – I am sure it will happen, but I will keep my fingers crossed anyway.

  81. 81.

    CaseyL

    December 6, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    @DocSardonic: A friend told me there are feral peafowl in her area of Miami. They don’t hang out at her place too often, but every once in a while she’ll go outside and see one standing on her roof.

    Me, I think it would be a hoot to have peafowl running around all over the place. They’re noisy?… sure, and the city would be so quiet and peaceful, if it weren’t for the birds. Uh huh.

    Any bird – any animal, really – that lives and thrives in cities without being owned is considered a nuisance, vicious, a disease carrier, or all of the above. Some might actually be… but I think that attitude says more about how we regard our cities, that we think the animals who live wild in them are somehow contaminated.

    Here in Seattle the various municipalities mounted a successful Death to Canada Geese campaign over the last few years: destroying eggs and nests, gassing entire families of geese. Because they pooped all over the sidewalks, you see; and in parks. Can’t have that!

  82. 82.

    Jebediah, RBG

    December 6, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    @CaseyL:

    Me, I think it would be a hoot to have peafowl running around all over the place. They’re noisy?… sure, and the city would be so quiet and peaceful, if it weren’t for the birds. Uh huh.

    Down in Palos Verdes the residents are very split on that. Some love the peafowl and other want to kill them all – because they eat, poop, and make noise. (I am not sure how any living critter is supposed to avoid doing those things.)

  83. 83.

    SFAW

    December 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    @ShadeTail:

    I see your Carlin, and raise you a Williams.

  84. 84.

    Betty Cracker

    December 6, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    @CaseyL: We used to live near a guy who had peafowl on his property (he had a few acres). He was across a river from us, but you could hear them very clearly. I liked the sound.

    The noisiest birds hereabouts are Sandhill cranes. Loud as hell! But again, I like their racket. It sounds like nature to me, and you don’t generally hear birds sounding off in the middle of the night since they’re roosting then, so it’s not like they wake you up (unless you work night shift). I’m appalled that Seattle got rid of their Canada geese.

  85. 85.

    cckids

    December 6, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Mandela was a left-wing revolutionary. How he could be a Buckleyian conservative is a bit beyond my understanding.

    Yeah, mine too. Plus, the left-right part aside, to say that Mandela was saying “stop!” to change in S. Africa is to state that he was fighting for the status quo.

    Which shows a total lack of comprehension of reality.

  86. 86.

    CaseyL

    December 6, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’m appalled that Seattle got rid of their Canada geese.

    It broke my heart.

    There were families that I’d see at Greenlake every time I went for a walk there, so I could watch them growing up: Mom and Dad and chicks walking in a very stately manner along the path by the lake. Suddenly they were gone. Flocks flying by overhead, in their V Formation and honking gloriously, would be a regular thing… and then, they weren’t.

    Seattle didn’t kill them all off; left a few, and the numbers are slowly increasing again. But the geese were ubiquitous, and now they’re not.

  87. 87.

    ShadeTail

    December 6, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Team Seattle. Those geese are mean motherfuckers who think they own the place. They try to chase off everyone else and act like they have the right to destroy anything. Not to mention their loud noise that wakes you up at 4am and how they literally cover everything with their nasty runny shit.

  88. 88.

    maya

    December 6, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    @burnspbesq: It’s St. Peter’s University now. Graduated Summa Cum Loudly in ’69. They are called Peahens.The Jebees had just started admitting women in ’67. Slowly at first.

    Edit: Why isn’t a group of kangaroos referred to as a court?

  89. 89.

    LanceThruster

    December 6, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    @maya:

    Cuz ‘murder of crows’ was taken?

  90. 90.

    PurpleGirl

    December 6, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    @ShadeTail: Those geese DO own the area. They were there for thousands of years before people were. They are behaving according to their nature. Killing them off does not solve the problem — they will come back and continue acting the same way. Are you going to keep calling for them to be killed off? How often will you have to do that? Will the city have to have a routine of every Y number of years killing the geese?

    My apartment complex did something with birth control to handle the pigeon problem. There are a lot less pigeon around now but there are no little sparrows (little brown birds). I miss the sparrows singing at 3 AM. I don’t know if they will ever come back, the pigeons have begun to.

  91. 91.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 6, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    @Cervantes: He was seeking to overthrow a government and a governmental system. I think revolutionary is an apt term.

  92. 92.

    slightly_peeved

    December 6, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    If you don’t want to wait until then, the Ashes coverage at the moment is pretty good for freuding the English schaden.

  93. 93.

    terben

    December 7, 2013 at 2:06 am

    The last time I saw that many kangaroos in a group was through night vision goggles on the 81mm mortar range just before the first rounds came in. LOL.

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