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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / LGBTQ Rights / Gay Rights are Human Rights / Utah Comes Out (for Same-Sex Marriage)

Utah Comes Out (for Same-Sex Marriage)

by Anne Laurie|  December 21, 201312:04 am| 150 Comments

This post is in: Gay Rights are Human Rights

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#utahmarriage rt @MrDanZak Gay marriage is now legal in every state in which Mitt Romney owns a home

— Gen JC Xtian patriot (@JC_Christian) December 21, 2013

Per the Washington Post:

A federal judge on Friday ruled Utah’s same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional in a state dominated by the Mormon Church, one of the country’s staunchest opponents of gay marriage.

“The State’s current laws deny its gay and lesbian citizens their fundamental right to marry and, in so doing, demean the dignity of these same-sex couples for no rational reason,” Judge Robert J. Shelby, of the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah, wrote in his opinion. “Accordingly, the court finds that these laws are unconstitutional.”…

The decision, if allowed to stand, would make Utah the 18th state where same-sex marriages are legal and the second to allow them this week. Another southwestern state, New Mexico, became the 17th on Thursday when its Supreme Court ruled a ban there was unconstitutional as well….

This has been a banner year for the movement, with 10 states progressing toward same-sex marriage in some way, according to data maintained by the Human Rights Campaign, an advocate for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. Bans have been overturned or marriages have begun — or have been approved to begin — in California, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Rhode Island and, now, Utah.

Nationally, public opinion on the issue has flipped in the past decade. In 2003, 55 percent opposed gay marriage while 37 percent supported it, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll. Today, the sides have virtually switched, with 58 percent supporting it and 36 percent opposing, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll in March….

I am required by local custom to remind you that our great Commonwealth of Massachusetts retains the honor of having gotten it right first (thank you, Judge Marshall!). The home of the Church of Latter-Day Saints, however, remains a very big ‘get’.

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  1. 1.

    MikeJ

    December 21, 2013 at 12:09 am

    It should be pointed out that the decision cites Scalia’s dissent in the DOMA case. Scalia said, if you use this standard, then not only should DOMA be struck down, most of the state marriage equality bans should be too. This judge said, yep, I agree, and that’s the current standard that the USSC is using.

  2. 2.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 12:15 am

    I blame omnes.

    not sure why.

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    December 21, 2013 at 12:17 am

    I think this is hilarious. The karma is never undefeated.

  4. 4.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 12:18 am

    can I do that thing I always do, with the band, and the weight?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCw3-YTffo

  5. 5.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 12:19 am

    @MikeJ: That part was brilliant and hilarious.

  6. 6.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 12:22 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    sure fine, he’s wonderful.

  7. 7.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 12:24 am

    @Little Boots: No idea about the judge other than this decision. But good for him on this one.

  8. 8.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 12:29 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Oh I’m just being surly. don’t take me seriously.

  9. 9.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 12:31 am

    @Little Boots: Surly. Me too.

  10. 10.

    RobertDSC-Power Mac G5 Dual

    December 21, 2013 at 12:33 am

    Very happy.

  11. 11.

    CaseyL

    December 21, 2013 at 12:34 am

    What I love about this story is that, within the hour, hundreds of couples were lined up to get marriage licenses; and the court clerks were issuing them as fast as they could.

    Part of the reason for the rush was to beat the Governor and AG’s intent to get a stay of the decision as soon as possible.

    But a lot of it was sheer romantic joy.

  12. 12.

    Alison

    December 21, 2013 at 12:41 am

    @CaseyL: Agreed. My hope is that, as it’s always harder to take a right away from someone who is currently enjoying it than to simply decline to ever give it to begin with, there having been no stay and couples getting married right away will maybe keep the bigots from winning. It was such an awful situation here in California after Prop 8, and obviously I know Utah is different, but…I try to stay optimistic that people will err on the side of not wanting to wrest someone’s clear happiness out of their hands.

  13. 13.

    PhoenixRising

    December 21, 2013 at 12:44 am

    The lines…the rush…the incredulity…brings back happy memories.

    Someone stuck a mike in my face that day 9 years and 10 months ago, & asked whether I felt different being married. I blurted out the truth: Yes! I don’t love my wife any more than I did yesterday, I’m not any more committed to my family, but I feel like a citizen for the first time in my life.

    Mazel tov, and remember, it’s two husbands per gay marriage, fellas. Even in Utah.

  14. 14.

    ruemara

    December 21, 2013 at 12:46 am

    @MikeJ: I read that in the opinion and I laughed freer and easier than I have for a month. I wish we could get a shot of Scalia’s face when he heard that.

  15. 15.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 12:46 am

    @Alison:

    My hope is that, as it’s always harder to take a right away from someone

    Yep. It does make it so much harder. Good for the people who have gotten married due to this decision. First, on a personal level. Iti is a big thing and congratulations to them. Second, it messes with any decision to possibly reverse. Excellent.

  16. 16.

    Ruckus

    December 21, 2013 at 12:47 am

    @Alison: @Alison:
    I try to stay optimistic that people will err on the side of not wanting to wrest someone’s clear happiness out of their hands.

    Nice place to be but the people that wanted the law in the first place don’t care about anyone’s happiness, they just want everyone else to be bigots like them.

  17. 17.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Gay marriage is now legal in every state in which Mitt Romney owns a home

    Wow! That’s a lot of states!

  18. 18.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 12:49 am

    @PhoenixRising: They will probably need to modify the forms to say Spouse 1 and Spouse 2. Oh, well.

  19. 19.

    Alison

    December 21, 2013 at 12:51 am

    @Ruckus: Well, see. My point is that you can’t really just write off an entire state of people as being This One Way, and there’s nothing wrong with hoping for a good outcome, nor is there any benefit to shitting on people’s hopes.

  20. 20.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 12:56 am

    @Alison

    this is true. no writing off whole states, or regions. this is one of the things the left is not allowed to do.

  21. 21.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 12:58 am

    @efgoldman: I believe an order for you to marry T&H is coming down the pike momentarily. You wife will get her orders in due time.

  22. 22.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 1:01 am

    @efgoldman: Not within any authority I have or have ever had. Sorry.

  23. 23.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:02 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    sometimes, you, just you.

  24. 24.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:05 am

    people are annoying me, on another site. how are all of you?

  25. 25.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 1:09 am

    @efgoldman: I have passed the test. I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Omnes Omnibus.

  26. 26.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:10 am

    omnes, this might be a weird question, but what do you think of JFK?

  27. 27.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 1:14 am

    @Little Boots: Died before I was born. Liberal icon. Doesn’t necessarily deserve that status. Did the best he could in his circumstances. Parallels to Obama are not unwarranted.

  28. 28.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:16 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    fair enough.

    more bryan ferry?

  29. 29.

    Geoduck

    December 21, 2013 at 1:22 am

    I read on another forum that only some of the county clerks are agreeing to issue the licenses; the ones in Salt Lake City are going at it, but out in (some of?) the ultra-boonies they are refusing.

    Imagine living in a place where Salt Lake City is considered a den of liberal hedonism..

  30. 30.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 1:25 am

    @Geoduck: There is this.

  31. 31.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:28 am

    no bryan?

  32. 32.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 21, 2013 at 1:29 am

    demean the dignity of these same-sex couples for no rational reason,

    Religious asshats do not need rational reasons for anything at all; they are utterly irrational to begin with.

  33. 33.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 1:31 am

    @Little Boots: You can find things. Right?

  34. 34.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:34 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    oh fine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVMAXkRAz8

  35. 35.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 1:36 am

    @Geoduck: You’d be surprised. Having worked closely with an office in SLC, they remarked how liberal Salt Lake City is and how significant a gay culture they have there. All the resort towns in the hills are also relative bastions of hedonism, despite Mitt’s home(s) up there. That city has had Dem mayors since 1992, like Becker and Anderson.

  36. 36.

    David Koch

    December 21, 2013 at 1:38 am

    The trick is whether the homophobes will appeal.

    Because if they do, the appeal could end up with the Supremes. And if they uphold the ruling, that state prohibitions violates equal protection, then gay marriage goes national.

  37. 37.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:38 am

    @Petorado:

    now, this is kind of interesting.

  38. 38.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 1:41 am

    @David Koch: Of course. This was always the next step. The DADT and DOMA decisions lead straight to this point. Everyone knew that.

  39. 39.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    December 21, 2013 at 1:43 am

    All of these announcements are becoming commonplace and not very exciting. You know, kind of like marriage itself. (I kid, I kid.)

  40. 40.

    BethanyAnne

    December 21, 2013 at 1:46 am

    @Little Boots: No, no, Canada’s already apologized for him. Gay marriage? How about some MIKA for that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6md5RSnVUuo

  41. 41.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2013 at 1:46 am

    @MikeJ:

    Scalia said, if you use this standard, then not only should DOMA be struck down, most of the state marriage equality bans should be too.

    And he was right for once. It’s just that he saw that as a justification for ruling against DOMA, rather than a reason for striking down state marriage discrimination laws.

  42. 42.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 1:46 am

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): That is the truly subversive thing. It’s becoming normal and common place, who gives a shit stuff. That is progress.

  43. 43.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:47 am

    bent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vsNh0fH0Uo

  44. 44.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 1:50 am

    @Little Boots: How ’bout this twist on Love is the Drug?

  45. 45.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:52 am

    @Petorado:

    see? so much awesome on this site.

  46. 46.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 1:53 am

    @Petorado: Weirdly, it fits the original frame of the song.

  47. 47.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2013 at 1:54 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Religious asshats do not need rational reasons for anything at all;

    This is the biggest argument against faith: it undermines reason. Acting on faith may not be irrational, but it’s certainly arational.

  48. 48.

    Dr. Loveless

    December 21, 2013 at 1:57 am

    Please, someone point me to some sites where the sweet wingnut tears are flowing! I almost OD’d on them after RMoney’s defeat, but with today’s news from Utah, my thirst for them is back.

  49. 49.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 1:58 am

    can we miss elton?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57kbbR23pK8

  50. 50.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 2:03 am

    @Little Boots: Thinking more Bowie like this or this other one. Both work for the occasion.

  51. 51.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:03 am

    and cat stevens.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndlrqt_Y6yc

  52. 52.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:05 am

    @Petorado:

    see? the awesomeness of this site.

  53. 53.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 2:07 am

    I saw American Hustle tonight. Despite the title—I think American [anything] should be embargoed for at least five years—it really got me. It went in a different direction than I was expecting and ended up being much better than I expected. Great script, Oscar-bait acting. Heartily recommended to one and all.

  54. 54.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 2:09 am

    @Little Boots: It’s a hell of a musical hive mind, that’s for sure. More croonerism.

  55. 55.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:09 am

    @Steeplejack:

    it did look pretty awesome from the ads.

  56. 56.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 2:13 am

    @Little Boots:

    It was much more nuanced than I was expecting from the ads.

    I will say that they let the costume designer and set decorator really go to town. I don’t remember the ’70s being quite that kitschy. Christian Bale’s Elvis glasses are practically a character by themselves.

  57. 57.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:18 am

    oh it’s getting sleepy here.

  58. 58.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:21 am

    just cause:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gwaeZVDx8o

  59. 59.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 2:22 am

    @Little Boots: Wake up.

  60. 60.

    Yatsuno

    December 21, 2013 at 2:22 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Heh. We were having that conversation at work right before I left for the Big Adventure. We sometimes use TPH & TPW to denote issues but now that’s no longer going to be…accurate. It’s still being discussed but no final word.

    @Petorado: There are bars in Salt Lake City. With alcohol in them. Occasionally a council member gets up the idea to ban it all again, but the non-Mormons squak enough for it to die. Airport travellers. Also. Too.

  61. 61.

    ? Martin

    December 21, 2013 at 2:27 am

    This is what I mean when I say we’re winning. Yeah, the GOP throws up every roadblock they can think of, but in the end they all fall. They succeed at delaying the inevitable, but our view is inevitable.

  62. 62.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:27 am

    also, too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUL68ZeclcA

  63. 63.

    Suffern ACE

    December 21, 2013 at 2:28 am

    @BethanyAnne: nope. That song was from MIKAs “I’m not gay. I might be straight as far as I know. Not that there’s anything wrong if I were. But no labels is where I am” phase. So it can’t be used as his gay anthem. It’s his coy no labels anthem.

  64. 64.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:28 am

    @? Martin:

    I agree.

  65. 65.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 2:29 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Moderation? Why? For Ute Lemper? Weird.

  66. 66.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:31 am

    I say we dance in the moonlight:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMc8naeeSS8

  67. 67.

    Suffern ACE

    December 21, 2013 at 2:32 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: oh, don’t worry about it. It may take a Weil, but we’ll hear from Ute soon enough.
    WP can’t hold her forever.

  68. 68.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 2:32 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Let’s try again.

  69. 69.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 21, 2013 at 2:32 am

    @Yatsuno:

    Can you imagine a ski resort without alcohol? I can’t…and neither can the ski resort operators in Utah.

  70. 70.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 21, 2013 at 2:33 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    FYWP needs no rational reason to moderate anything. Sort of like the state of Utah and gay marriage.

  71. 71.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:33 am

    everyone is speaking strange words.

  72. 72.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 2:34 am

    @Yatsuno: Microbreweries even!

    How’s the new hip doing?

  73. 73.

    Matt

    December 21, 2013 at 2:34 am

    Here’s what’s great about being a Democrat in Utah today (from the Washington Post article):

    “It couldn’t be more exciting,” said Jim Dabakis, the head of Utah’s Democratic Party, who married his partner of 27 years, Stephen Justesen, on Friday afternoon, with Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker officiating. Dozens of couples lined up to get married at the county clerk’s office after the ruling, Dabakis said. “There’s nothing but pure euphoria.”

    Becker, it should be said, is also a Democrat. Great stuff.

  74. 74.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 2:36 am

    @Little Boots:

    Now you’re cooking! Actual ’70s story: I used to torment a coworker after work at the newspaper in the bar across the street by steadfastly maintaining that the title/lyric in this song was “Purty Little Love Song.”

    This could send me right down the Allman Brothers hole on YouTube, but I’ll step to the edge with Les Dudek, “Old Judge Jones.” And I’ll tip my glass to the bar at the Málaga Inn in old Mobile.

  75. 75.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 2:38 am

    @Little Boots: Might as well hit some Brandy then.

  76. 76.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:38 am

    @Steeplejack:

    lovely, not that I wouldn’t mind allman brothers.

  77. 77.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 2:40 am

    Okay, FYWP why is an Ute Lemper version of Pirate Jenny a “bad” thing? Why moderation? Asshole.

  78. 78.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:40 am

    @Petorado:

    I’m kind of embarrassed to love this song as much as I do, but I’m kind of not. dammit, I’m a child of the seventies. this was our thing.

  79. 79.

    Matt

    December 21, 2013 at 2:41 am

    And I am thrilled Judge Shelby noted something I’ve seen in my synagogues my whole life (from the Salt Lake Tribune Article):

    “If anything, the recognition of same-sex marriage expands religious freedom because some churches that have congregations in Utah desire to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies but are currently unable to do so,” he said.

    I think about half the rabbis I’ve known in my life were married lesbians. So, yeah, religious freedom means religious freedom!

  80. 80.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 2:43 am

    @Little Boots:

    Still resisting the pull of the Allmans. S’okay, there’s plenty of stuff on the YouTube jukebox here at the Málaga. Next up: Boz Scaggs, “Lowdown.”

    What are you drinking, Boots? Pull up a stool and let me buy you and your friend Petorado a round.

  81. 81.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:45 am

    @Steeplejack:

    oh, the scaggs. and anything with vodka is always appreciated.

  82. 82.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:49 am

    now, steely dan, on the other hand. that is a whole other level.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3KruAUI2Ro

  83. 83.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 2:50 am

    @Steeplejack: Ooh, Lowdown has bad memories of the 8th grade dance. Great song, but felt more like this this Boz Scaggs song that evening.

  84. 84.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    December 21, 2013 at 2:51 am

    Our karma ran over their dogma.

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 2:51 am

    Fine. Die Moritat vom Mackie Messer FYWP

    ETA: It’s not Lemper, Brecht , or Weill. Why is Jenny a problem?

  86. 86.

    Geoduck

    December 21, 2013 at 2:52 am

    @Dr. Loveless: There’s some (relatively subdued) wailing and rending of garments over on Free Republic.

  87. 87.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 2:52 am

    @Petorado:

    this was our prom song. we voted. we were a dark class:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd_Fdly3rX8

  88. 88.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 2:55 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Damn, that puts whole new twist on the expression, “It sounds better in the original German.” That’s pretty hot!

  89. 89.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 2:57 am

    @Little Boots:

    Vodka’s cool. I’m drinking Mount Gay and tonic myself.

    Robert Palmer, “Give Me an Inch.”

    Palmer had a hot streak of four consecutive albums that hold up pretty well: Sneakin’ Sally Through the Alley, Pressure Drop, Some People Can Do What They Like, Double Fun. Mostly backed by Cole’s second-favorite group, Little Feat. Or Lowell George, anyway. And the Meters.

    The Meters, “Stormy.”

  90. 90.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 2:58 am

    @Little Boots: The original

  91. 91.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:00 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    fine, le snob.

  92. 92.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:03 am

    let’s all just dream about california.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-aK6JnyFmk

  93. 93.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:04 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Back to Bob: “You Overwhelm Me.”

  94. 94.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 3:05 am

    @Steeplejack: Palmer had some serious class. Miss the guy.

  95. 95.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:08 am

    @Little Boots:

    Good one. Steely Dan is one of my favorite bands. Go-to song: “Don’t Take Me Alive.”

    Agents of the law
    luckless pedestrians
    I know you’re out there
    with your rage and your megaphones

    P.S. The way you feel about “Brandy,” I feel about “Dancing in the Moonlight.” Can’t defend it on any level, but I love that song. Someone gave me the album back in the day. Even then it was a WTF moment.

  96. 96.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:09 am

    still think this is the best song ever:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lFxGBB4UGU

  97. 97.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:10 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You tripped the hipster filter.

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

  98. 98.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:11 am

    wow being moderated. john, really?

  99. 99.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:13 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Sliding to the dark side: the J.B.’s, “Dirty Harri.”

  100. 100.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:15 am

    seriously john, I love you, but you are a stick up the butt guy sometimes

  101. 101.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:16 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Which always reminds me of James Brown’s “King Heroin” (backed by the J.B.’s).

    And let me finish with the Meters: “Fire on the Bayou.”

  102. 102.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 3:17 am

    @Steeplejack: Over this?

  103. 103.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 3:17 am

    @Steeplejack: This song will always hit the Meters button.

    As for Steely Dan, Any Major Dude is just the perfect 70’s song.

  104. 104.

    Yatsuno

    December 21, 2013 at 3:17 am

    @Steeplejack: Or FYWP is getting its weekend crash fuckitude out of the way early.

  105. 105.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:18 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    oh, just post something awesome. i’m in a damn mood now.

  106. 106.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:19 am

    @Petorado:

    Another great one.

  107. 107.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 3:19 am

    @Little Boots: Grace Jones.

    ETA: I am out of sync with the general tone of the thread.

  108. 108.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:22 am

    @Little Boots:

    That may be my top desert island album. I just read somewhere that they’ve put out a deluxe remastered version of it with lots of extras.

    Not from that album, but another favorite Morrison song: “Redwood Tree.”

  109. 109.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:23 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    FYWP answers only to itself.

  110. 110.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:26 am

    @Little Boots:

    Why you in a mood? You’re getting pure ’70s gold here. Such as this.

  111. 111.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:28 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Just picture Robert Palmer as Bryan Ferry’s older brother.

  112. 112.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:29 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Let me up the dosage.

  113. 113.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:31 am

    Okay, back to the dark side. I got seduced by that sleepy B-3, so let’s go uptempo.

  114. 114.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2013 at 3:32 am

    @Steeplejack: I am aware of Palmer. I know “Sneaking Sally Through the Alley.” It just is not my thing tonight. This is.

  115. 115.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:32 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    why I love you.

  116. 116.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 3:32 am

    @Steeplejack: Nothing darker than Keef.

    On a more timely note, Colorado Christmas greetings.

  117. 117.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:34 am

    @Steeplejack:

    and this, this is what I’m talking about when I say I love this site.

  118. 118.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:35 am

    where does everyone find these songs?

  119. 119.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:35 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    If it makes you feel any better, I just had a comment drop into moderation hell. If it appears, you can tell me what went wrong. All I did was try to take my journey to the dark side uptempo a bit.

  120. 120.

    mai naem

    December 21, 2013 at 3:38 am

    The judge is an Obama appointee but he was approved by Hatch and Bennett so he’s probably a moderate. Also, he clerked for a Reagan appointee which makes me doubly think he’s just a moderate.

    On SLC – I had a friend who did her residency in SLC in the 90s. She said you had to go to the edge of town to go to a bar which served alcohol. She also rented a basement apartment in downtown SLC, an area she said was all owned by the LDS church or bigwigs in the church. She also said Mormons pretty much only shopped at ZCMI which apparently is owned by the church.

  121. 121.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:38 am

    well this took a turn

  122. 122.

    wasabi gasp

    December 21, 2013 at 3:43 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBakvUAbGp8

  123. 123.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:44 am

    @Petorado:

    I love Halfbreed. I actually own a bootleg CD copy that I bought from some dude on the Interwebs. Replaced my long-lost LP.

    Gotta go uptempo with the title song.

  124. 124.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:45 am

    @Little Boots:

    YouTube, baby. If you can think of it, it’s on there.

    ETA: The problem is that you need to be able to think of it.

  125. 125.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 3:46 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Broken English was the perfect song for Marianne’s voice.

    But this old Tom Waits seems more your speed.

  126. 126.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:46 am

    @Steeplejack:

    that ain’t cher

  127. 127.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:49 am

    lets just love the gordon:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ij_iTQt2w

  128. 128.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:51 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Saw this recently, possibly of interest to you.

  129. 129.

    Little Boots

    December 21, 2013 at 3:52 am

    or this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMc0ok9_V7Q

  130. 130.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 3:59 am

    @Little Boots:

    Beautiful.

    Lightfoot is another one of those artists who, like Robert Palmer, had two distinct career phases: before the big commercial hit and after the big commercial hit. An early favorite: “Apology.”

  131. 131.

    Petorado

    December 21, 2013 at 4:00 am

    @Steeplejack: On that note, it’s Armagideon time. ‘Nite all!

  132. 132.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 4:00 am

    @Little Boots:

    Beautiful.

    Lightfoot is another one of those artists who, like Robert Palmer, had two distinct career phases: before the big commercial hit and after the big commercial hit. An early favorite: “Apology.”

    ETA: Previous version moderated because I fumble-fingered four links. FYWP.

  133. 133.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 4:08 am

    Maybe one list bit of ’70s stuff: Jesse Colin Young, “Ridgetop.”

    Eh, maybe a little Pure Prairie League, too.

  134. 134.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 4:14 am

    Little Boots, I hope you’re still up. I had to put a little tart finish on the ’70s sugar. Firefall, “Cinderella.”

    Oh, yeah, and “It Doesn’t Matter.”

  135. 135.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 4:20 am

    Jeez, only another hour and Raven will be up.

    I’ll drop this here for him: the Electric Flag, “Another Country.”

  136. 136.

    aangus

    December 21, 2013 at 4:43 am

    Keeping in the Holiday spirit…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfamPW3Eaw

  137. 137.

    aangus

    December 21, 2013 at 4:47 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxLAT2U1bCc

    : )

  138. 138.

    Steeplejack

    December 21, 2013 at 4:51 am

    @aangus:

    Your link says “Not available in your country” (for me). Here’s an alternate link.

  139. 139.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 21, 2013 at 7:49 am

    This is very, very different from all the other recent cases. It’s a federal judge overturning a state ban on grounds that, if upheld by the Supreme Court, would lead to all the state bans being overturned, with no attempt to craft the objection narrowly. And it’s in a state where public support for same-sex marriage is as low as it gets.

    For the first time since 2004, I’m a little nervous about what the backlash will be like. (I suppose I’m more nervous about what people will do if/when the federal government overturns all the bans in the South.)

    But if it stands (probably less than an even chance, but it’s worth a shot), it’s the beginning of the end of this particular fight.

  140. 140.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 21, 2013 at 8:44 am

    …So suppose it gets overturned at the Circuit or SCOTUS level. This is likely, but people in Salt Lake are already getting legal licenses and getting married. Do we then have another suit on grounds of the precedent of the overturning of California Prop. 8, that you can’t start issuing legal licenses and then take it back? I suppose that would only apply to Utah.

  141. 141.

    the Conster

    December 21, 2013 at 8:58 am

    As a Masshole born and raised, I’ll never forget the day that Goodridge v. Board of Public Health came out. I was working in a big employment law law firm that represents big companies, so the implications of SSM were going to be huge. The decision was emailed to everyone – it was like waiting for a birth announcement – and it was such a beautifully and elegantly crafted decision that as a non-lawyer it brought me to tears with its force of rightness. One of the senior partners followed up with a query to the other attorneys – what is the flaw in the argument, and consequently the likelihood of it being successfully overturned? There wasn’t a single response, except in the affirmative – that it’s going to be the law of the Commonwealth from now on. Nothing and everything changed that day, and anyone who is against SSM shall look upon that opinion and despair.

  142. 142.

    Matt

    December 21, 2013 at 10:19 am

    @mai naem: SLC has undergone a dramatic change since your friend was here, or your friend had an unusual experience. I moved here in 2006 and was pleasantly surprised at how progressive (re: flamingly liberal) the city is.

    One reason is that where most cities in the US have experienced ‘white flight’ in SLC we’ve seen ‘Conservative Mormon flight’. The result is a more diverse, more tolerant, and way lefty town.

    Remember that one of the big differences between a red and blue state can be the ratio of population living in the urban core vs. exurb and rural areas. Don’t paint states with broad strokes.

  143. 143.

    Jay C

    December 21, 2013 at 10:19 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I know it’s probably going to be classed under the pissing raining-on-the-parade rule, but my first second thought on reading this decision was “Geez, the pushback on THIS one is going to be hellish!” As you point out, this is a differently-structured case regarding SSM: a Federal judge ruling a State-Constitution restriction invalid: thus implicitly “legalizing” same-sex unions: with NO input from either the State Government, the State courts, or the voters (all of whom might be reasonably assumed to uphold the ban by large majorities, but never mind). Yes, the ultimate issue (equality) is a vital and right one – but the Utah case raises a lot of issues which might not set precedents we’d like. Maybe.

  144. 144.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    December 21, 2013 at 10:32 am

    @Alison: My point is that you can’t really just write off an entire state of people as being This One Way

    Except for Utah. People are constantly doing that about Utah, like when that idiotic boycott was suggested because the Mormon Church supported Prop Hate.

    But seriously. Thank you. I live in Utah and get mighty tired of that bullshit.

  145. 145.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    December 21, 2013 at 10:34 am

    @Geoduck: Imagine living in a place where Salt Lake City is considered a den of liberal hedonism..

    I do – it’s called Salt Lake City. :)

    Please to not stereotype. SLC is much more cosmopolitan than its reputation; we end up with troglodyte reps and all because of decades-entrenched gerrymandering and a horrible Republican caucus system.

  146. 146.

    Matt

    December 21, 2013 at 10:34 am

    @Xecky Gilchrist: Preach it! (I’m a Utahn too.)

  147. 147.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    December 21, 2013 at 10:38 am

    @mai naem: She also said Mormons pretty much only shopped at ZCMI which apparently is owned by the church.

    Your friend lived in a different Salt Lake City than I did during the 90s, then.

  148. 148.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 21, 2013 at 10:40 am

    @Jay C: Of course, I also thought the reaction in Massachusetts back in ’04 was going to be much worse than it was. There was a national freakout that was used in Republican GOTV efforts in the election, but people didn’t riot on the ground, they just came out to the courthouse and got married.

  149. 149.

    J R in WV

    December 21, 2013 at 11:25 am

    @Steeplejack:

    That’s Ms J R’s favorite cocktail, Mt Gay and tonic, with a big squeeze of fresh lime.

    Once they were out ot Mt Gay, and I bought Zacapa from Guatamala, high altitude grown cane etc. VERY good, less available, more expensive, tasty.

    I’ve moved to the Gin and Tonic world, Hendricks Gin when available, but Bombay more often, cheaper, nearly as good.

    Later we’re doing mimosas with left over Chandon while I make maple pecan pie and pineapple upside-down cake for Solstice Dinner next door. Should be a nice dinner party with most of our friends there. Not quite all, but most.

    Merry Holiday Solstice Season Everybody!!!!

  150. 150.

    BethanyAnne

    December 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    @Suffern ACE: Well… moslty I just discovered Mika, and that song’s been in my head most of the day. :)

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