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Open Thread: Not Tonight, Dave

by Anne Laurie|  December 23, 201310:53 pm| 56 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Somewhere a Village is Missing its Idiot

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@peterfhart Right after she says: "Not tonight, Dave. I have a headache." Pity validation.

— billmon (@billmon1) December 24, 2013


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Since people are discussing Must-Watch (Must I Watch?) TV on the last thread, NYMag‘s Margaret Lyons has some interesting suggestions for “How to Catch Up on 2013’s TV Essentials in a Few Minutes, a Few Hours, or a Few Days“.

I’ve been meaning to catch up on Orphan Black, but I’ll probably wait for it to hit Netflix. Which reminds me, anybody here got an opinion on Orange Is the New Black?

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  1. 1.

    KyCole

    December 23, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    I really liked it, but my Netflix tastes have been questioned in the past.

  2. 2.

    Botsplainer

    December 23, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Which reminds me, anybody here got an opinion on Orange Is the New Black?

    Meh. It’s a Jenji Kohan plot – all epiphanies and struggles under a thin veneer of weak humor, forced dialogue and circumstances out of relation to all reality.

  3. 3.

    Cassidy

    December 23, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    It’s good. It manages to be funny and serious without being overdone and occasionally heartbreaking.

  4. 4.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 23, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Peter Hart’s name is much improved with the middle initial included.

  5. 5.

    Mike in NC

    December 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    The only person that David Gregory should be forced to have sex with is Karl Rove. In hell. Forever.

  6. 6.

    mb

    December 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    i tried to contact you through the contact button on the site here but it doesn’t seem to do anything when I punch it. Probably because I don’t have a email program installed — I only use web based email.

    Anyhow, I was attempting to contact you RE: the regular, now on hiatus, gardening posts. I have an on-going passive solar aquaponics greenhouse project that I’d be happy to share a short photo essay about.

    Let me know if you are interested — I’m assuming you can access my email addy that is associated with this comment. If not, I’ll be checking this thread.

  7. 7.

    Rob_in_Hawaii

    December 23, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    OITNB definitely worth a watch. Not Breaking Bad or Mad Men, but still good.

  8. 8.

    lamh36

    December 23, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    welp, this is what YouTube mashup videos were made for…LOL. Hiddleston comes out the victor in this one, IMHO. What say the rest of the Hiddleston-philes or Cumberbatch-philes.

    NEWS/ Tom Hiddleston and Benedict Cumberbatch’s Epic Dance-Off Is the Only Video You Need to Watch Until 2014

  9. 9.

    mclaren

    December 23, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    They ought to have included The Blacklist. Episodes 9 and 10 were dynamite. One of the best shows of 2013.

  10. 10.

    Helen

    December 23, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    @lamh36: Who’s Tom Hiddleston?

  11. 11.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    December 23, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    “Not tonight, Dave. I have a headache”

    See I never even knew that David Gregory was married to HAL.

    “What are you doing, Dave? I’m afraid, Dave.”

  12. 12.

    A Humble Lurker

    December 23, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    @Helen:
    Shakespearean actor who played Loki in Avengers and the Thor movies.

  13. 13.

    scav

    December 23, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    @Helen: Loki and Hal in the Hollow Crown I’m thinking. Loki in something non-hollow, although that could be another interesting mash-up I guess. Does a mean dialog with Cookie Monster too.

  14. 14.

    Dead Ernest

    December 23, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Yes! I saw that, thought to make a comment… But, there you were.
    …I think seeing your comment was even more fun than seeing how he chose to present his name.

  15. 15.

    burnspbesq

    December 23, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    This is quite the pie-fight.

    http://www.lawfareblog.com/2013/12/my-correspondence-with-rick-perlstein-you-decide/

  16. 16.

    BGinCHI

    December 23, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    David Gregory is a stupid person’s idea of what a stupid person is.

    I thought “The Bridge” was pretty good. But compared with Breaking Bad everything else is just a turkey sandwich.

  17. 17.

    srv

    December 23, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Atlanta and Ohio States coaches must be related.

    Dumb and Dumberer.

  18. 18.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Via Noisemax, Mike Huckabee declares his racist, homophobe bonafides for 2016:

    Huckabee: Christians Must Back ‘Duck Dynasty’

  19. 19.

    windpond

    December 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Couldn’t put it down.

  20. 20.

    GregB

    December 23, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Dancing always leads to sex.

  21. 21.

    MattR

    December 23, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    So I just lost my fantasy football championship on the that interception return for a touchdown by the San Francisco defense. Walking around in a bit of a daze right now.

  22. 22.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 23, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    @Dead Ernest:

    :-)

  23. 23.

    hitchhiker

    December 23, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    On the fence when it comes to Orange is the New Black. Many creepy-exploitive aspects, like gratuitous sexual content. OTOH, some genuinely interesting women characters, not all of whom are beautiful people types.

    My big hesitation has to do with prison as entertainment, but then I’m involved in some Innocence Project stuff, so I take it personally. I’m bothered by the way the prison is made to seem so well-lit and clean all the time. Lots of them are not like that. Also the premise of a middle class white girl being caught out of place and just trying to survive among the crazies . . . come on.

  24. 24.

    Dead Ernest

    December 24, 2013 at 12:00 am

    @scav:
    Oh, Hi Scav.
    Saw your question; what type of bio-geek I am, long after that thread was deserted.
    Undergrad; molecular biology. Medical school -> residency in Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation. PM&R is, at its essence, the medicine of treating loss of function (medically caused); Stroke, Brain Injury, Spinal Cord Injury/Disease, Amputation… In the course of that I became fascinated by Pain – a significant cause of impaired function. My focus became treating people suffering Chronic Pain.
    This has propelled me through doorways which have brought me to a perspective on Health, Disease, Medicine, and the nature of human existence that is, somewhat different than the typical point of view of ‘medicine as usual’ – or, at least as its usually practiced.

    Feel free to ask me for my longer ‘short answer’ anytime ;-)

  25. 25.

    burnspbesq

    December 24, 2013 at 12:03 am

    The three cities that the NYT dialect map picked out for me: NYC, Buffalo, and Baton Rouge. The reddest area on the map: the Capital District.

    Not bad, since I was born in Albany, did most of my growing up in North Jersey, and went to undergrad Upstate.

    Baton Rouge is because of “y’all,” which I picked up during the year I wasted at Dubyanell.

  26. 26.

    Suffern ACE

    December 24, 2013 at 12:09 am

    @MattR: There, there. This regular season winner, championship game loser feels your pain. Or lack of it. Since you are probably numb.

  27. 27.

    Suffern ACE

    December 24, 2013 at 12:11 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: And they must eat at Papa John’s, and watch the Chic-fil-A Bowl, and root against Notre Dame and Brigham Young, and buy Paula Deen’s cookbook. Am I missing anything?

  28. 28.

    Roxy

    December 24, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Yay 49ers.

  29. 29.

    MattR

    December 24, 2013 at 12:19 am

    @Suffern ACE: It does suck, doesn’t it. The worst part is that I had zero expectation of winning going into tonight’s game but everything went right for the first 57:30 and we were actually in the lead going into that final drive. Had SF just recovered the onside kick and run out the clock we would have won.

  30. 30.

    burnspbesq

    December 24, 2013 at 12:23 am

    @Suffern ACE:

    And when they watch the Chik-fil-a Bowl, they must root for Texas A&M, because Duke’s QB is near.

  31. 31.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    December 24, 2013 at 12:26 am

    They put the Crackers back in Cracker Barrel.

  32. 32.

    David Koch

    December 24, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Beth Ann Wilkinson [Mrs. David Gregory] is a Washington, D.C. lawyer, and partner in the New York City-based law firm Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison. She works in the firm’s Washington, D.C. office focusing on white collar criminal defense

    hahahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhah

    The connotation of “law enforcement” is being on the prosecutor’s side of the aisle. Moreover, her practice centers on business transactions, not national security or technology.

    what a fucking joke. clowns to the left of me (griftwald), jokers to the right (dancing dave), stuck in the middle with you.

  33. 33.

    scav

    December 24, 2013 at 12:34 am

    @Dead Ernest: You really know how to tempt me into pleading for the long form! Can’t see how you’d avoid not falling into ‘medicine as usual’ if dealing honestly with pain. (I think I’ve muddled the correct number of too many negatives into that!) Pain must have wide variance between patients (even mechanically, or whatever you call the nerve pathways) and then there’s necessarily the whole brain on top of it, scrambling responses, playing chicken and egg with cause and effect and juggling placebos. That last alone pulls in any number of non-western non-contemporary non- “if a then invariably b” mechanistic approaches. Golly. Especially fun as the closest I can manage for references are biogeography, modelling cancer clusters and reading Oliver Sacks — that initial utter lack of solid references and the sense of new vistas is giddy (being baffled is a cheap thrill, luckily). Thanks for remembering.

  34. 34.

    Suffern ACE

    December 24, 2013 at 12:41 am

    @MattR: I was 9-0. Then 10-1. The hell with Matt Stafford not throwing touchdowns and New Orleans Offensive Weapons. And the Eagles for trying to teach Deshawn Jackson a lesson in humility finals week. May they burn forever!

    (sorry, I’ve moved on to anger)

  35. 35.

    GregB

    December 24, 2013 at 12:44 am

    My best laugh of the day was perusing the meme generator page of alien guy George Tsoukalos the History Channel resident UFO specialist with the big Heat Miser hair do.

    Link.

  36. 36.

    Yatsuno

    December 24, 2013 at 12:46 am

    @GregB: Epic hair is epic. Plus he has the just-slightly creepy voice thing going too.

  37. 37.

    Suffern ACE

    December 24, 2013 at 12:47 am

    @GregB: That that guy and his millionaire backer have gathered together hundreds of thousands of people who now doubt both the bible (it was aliens) and archeology and actual documented history. That is one millionaire and one kook. Imagine what we are up against with the RWNJs an their billionaire backers.

  38. 38.

    MattR

    December 24, 2013 at 12:51 am

    @Suffern ACE: I am quickly getting there. We started 6-1, lost 5 straight in crazy ways while moving from 4th to 1st in total points then had to win our last game to make the playoffs (and put up the highest score in the 15 years of the league to do so). Decided we could not afford to bench Adrian Peterson. Our Bears (Forte and Jeffrey) did bubkus on Sunday night. Same with the Brady/Edelman combination. Even Josh Gordon was a little below his average. Was our second worst performance of the season and we were still winning before that play (Turns out I may be stuck in denial since I don’t want to acknowledge that particular play). Ended up costing my partner and I $320 each, but I think it is the loss of bragging rights that hurts more.

  39. 39.

    MomSense

    December 24, 2013 at 12:54 am

    @lamh36:

    love that!!!

  40. 40.

    Boudica

    December 24, 2013 at 1:02 am

    Anyone have a comment on Israel’s concentration camps? http://www.timesofisrael.com/african-migrants-flee-holot-detention-center-again/

  41. 41.

    Dead Ernest

    December 24, 2013 at 1:05 am

    @scav:

    Wow.
    I have this very, very strange feeling of …an odd and unusual thing, …of possibly being understood? Yeah, wow.

    Yup, all that you’ve said (and I went right along with you for all the ‘doubled & divided’ negatives) and more and more and more.

    I’ll contemplate a quality longer short-answer (vs. just longer). But I’ll say this; despite our comfortably associating physical pain with problems like: a broken bone, an infection, a rash, difficulty breathing, blurry vision… It is much more akin with: an itch, feeling scared, a broken heart.

    My hero in pain medicine is the Neurologist, Patrick Wall (of the famous, now proven, Gate Theory of Pain, by the way). The late Dr Wall is a universally honored giant in pain medicine and his text & popular press books speak of this quite clearly & plainly. And yet, the majority of pain medicine doctors (who universally honor him), seem to be oblivious to this and consider pain to be like; a broken bone, an infection, etc.

  42. 42.

    Suffern ACE

    December 24, 2013 at 1:08 am

    @MattR: Bragging rights are real. Money can be made again and it will be just like the money you lost. My league is bragging rights only.

  43. 43.

    Three-nineteen

    December 24, 2013 at 1:09 am

    @hitchhiker:, @Botsplainer: OITNB is based on the memoirs of a real woman who was sent to prison on a drug trafficking charge, so you can retire your concerns about the show not having a believable premise or not being rooted in reality. And if you think all the other characters are “the crazies”, I think you didn’t watch the entire season.

  44. 44.

    BruceFromOhio

    December 24, 2013 at 1:11 am

    @burnspbesq: We spent a lot of time talking about this on the ride out tonight. It comes down to some key collquialisms that can easily confuse the rudimentary logic of the thing. For example, if you are from Pittsburgh, spend any time in Texas, and now live in Ohio, you get results similar to yours (Toledo, Grand Rapids, Jackson MI).

    What you call the strip of lawn between the sidewalk and the street appears to be a key determinant.

    Now drinking Dad’s scotch and listening to the wind howl outside. Life is good.

  45. 45.

    Suffern ACE

    December 24, 2013 at 1:14 am

    @BruceFromOhio:

    What you call the strip of lawn between the sidewalk and the street appears to be a key determinant.

    If the Inuit have 20 words for snow, it makes sense that there are many words in American English dialects for “Lawn.”

  46. 46.

    BruceFromOhio

    December 24, 2013 at 1:19 am

    @GregB: Drinking beer in a horn? Vikings!

    Cats in a handbag, that is hilarious.

  47. 47.

    MattR

    December 24, 2013 at 1:19 am

    @Suffern ACE: Agreed. This league is a keeper league where most of the owners are friends from high school or earlier (with a few college friends mixed in) so bragging rights have a lot of value. At least because it is a keeper league, we will be able to bring back 4 of our studs next year and should be in good shape heading into next year’s draft.

  48. 48.

    BruceFromOhio

    December 24, 2013 at 1:25 am

    @Suffern ACE: For years it was ‘a ditch,’ because that was what lay between the front yard and the street. Now I have an actual sidewalk in front of the house, and it’s a ‘treelawn.’ Presto, I’m from Grand Rapids, MI !

    Bonus pronunciations: “Downtown” and “Reese’s Pieces.”

  49. 49.

    Yatsuno

    December 24, 2013 at 1:30 am

    @Dead Ernest: I might shoehorn in on your conversation a bit, as I have a (rather obvious) vested interest in this subject. I find it fascinating how so many pain controllers also stimulate the pleasure centres of the brain. Right now I can tell you one of the ones I take makes me quite happy.

  50. 50.

    PurpleGirl

    December 24, 2013 at 1:37 am

    @GregB: I think he thinks he’s Centauri. He wants to look like Ambassador Molari.

  51. 51.

    Anne Laurie

    December 24, 2013 at 1:44 am

    @mb: Sent you an email — if I messed up, you can (always) reach me at annelaurie (at) verizon.net. Thanks!

  52. 52.

    danielx

    December 24, 2013 at 1:47 am

    Has Dancin’ Dave been taking lessons from the Mustache of Understanding? What the f*** is this, Parody Week?

  53. 53.

    Dead Ernest

    December 24, 2013 at 1:57 am

    @Yatsuno:
    Got to get towards sleep right soon but first:

    Yup. They sure can.
    The opiates (and opioids) provide several different types of ‘side effects.’ For example, constipation is very common, and if a particular member of this family, say Vicodin (hydrocodone) for example, cause someone, say, Bob, to get constipated – *that* side effect is for keeps; Vicodin will *always* make Bob constipated.
    Other side effects are fairly short-term. Becoming light-headed and not safe to drive for instance. Bob get Rx’d Dilaudid (hydromorphone) and for a few days is a little bit ‘mentally clouded.’ However, after 2,3,4 days, the Dilaudid continues to help decrease his pain, but he’s as sharp as ever. He can drive safely. …should his dose of Dilaudid get increased after a few weeks he will likely be similarly ‘cloudy’ for a 1,2,3 days – but then, once again be his usual self.
    As for the happiness, a general euphoria, a pleasant feeling of feeling very, very good – that side effect is fleeting. At a given dose, taken with great regularity (7.5mg Vicodin every 6 hours) the euphoria will be gone in 2-3 days – and will not return unless the dose is raised, or the Vicodin is discontinued for weeks or months. In which case it can return but be just as short-lived, or even less strongly felt than it had been.
    This last, the short lived euphoria, briefly re-experienced with a higher dose, is a large part of ‘chasing the dragon.’

    If you’ve got specific questions Yutsy, toss em out in an open thread. I’ll keep an eye out.
    Meanwhile; happy healing!

  54. 54.

    hitchhiker

    December 24, 2013 at 1:58 am

    @Three-nineteen:

    I did watch the whole season. And I know it was based on a memoir. Not that impressed, sorry.

  55. 55.

    kyle

    December 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    @hitchhiker:
    Have to say I liked it a lot. I’ve never been in a prison, so there’s that. But I do think it was good and that the other inmates aren’t simply “crazies.”

  56. 56.

    E

    December 24, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    I thought it was excellent. I thought the portrayal of race and gender were quite fine. Haters will easily find something to hate in a show like this and they will always be able to show off their more finely-tuned tastes but where else do you find such a great portrayal of a transgendered person? Also, I’ve been to jail (not prison) for months at a time on a few occasions (youthful political activism) and maybe some of the details are off but the general bummer of it all comes through pretty well in my opinion. As well as the tensions with those who are not inside.

    I would say definitely give it a try.

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