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Open Thread: Gawker‘s “Least Important Writers of 2013”

by Anne Laurie|  December 26, 20138:03 pm| 76 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Blogospheric Navel-Gazing

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Note: I pulled & rescheduled this post when I saw I’d bigfooted the Bloghost. It mysteriously returned to the front page — so I rescheduled it, again. And it came back, while the Bloghost’s post… has gone into scheduling mode.

Either this is Cole’s idea of politeness, or FYWP has developed semi-sentience. Merry Whatevs.
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Sure, everybody knows Richard Cohen/Tom Friedman/Malcolm Gladwell will take full honors, but Nick Denton’s intertoob parasites go the extra mile to spotlight the deservedly undeserving:

… Dylan Byers, a staff typist at The Politico, has been called, by this very website, the “dumbest media-news reporter in the business,” the “world’s grossest reporter,” and “worthless.” It isn’t that we believe he’s a nefariously intentioned individual, it’s just that the former Adweek word-stringer is astoundingly clueless. Is it the way he frequently, and publicly, struggles with basic reading comprehension? Or the way he acts like the most insipid observations are astounding revelations? Or is the way that his first-draft sentences flow as gracelessly as phlegm—and he never bothers to clean up his writing?
He seems like a nice guy. Too bad Bazooka Joe wrappers have more insight….

… The grumpy old man of turn-of-the-century warblogging, Andrew Sullivan still has his fans. But having bounced his blog around from TIME to The Atlantic to the Daily Beast to its current “paywall” site run by Sullivan himself, the declining returns of his particular brand of preachy warmongering, apologies for warmongering, jabbering about Catholicism and complaining about New York City have been revealed. Just 30,880 people had subscribed to his Daily Dish as of November 1. Sullivan’s “Mini-Me,” Ross Douthat, put the nail in the coffin this summer when he named Sullivan “the most influential political writer of his generation.”

Less important than: Ross Douthat….

Buuuuurrrrn!

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Did Cole step aside for you? Steve really has made him a softie.

  2. 2.

    John Cole

    December 26, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    I’m trying to, but she keeps rescheduling the damned post.

  3. 3.

    Violet

    December 26, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Someone linked that earlier and I spent awhile trolling through it. I hadn’t even heard of several of the “online magazines” (if that’s what they’re called) where these people write. Thought Catalog? xoJane? Never heard of them. Hilarious that Andrew Sullivan is included. Didn’t he have to start taking ads earlier this year?

  4. 4.

    raven

    December 26, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Pitt and Bowling Green are playing.

  5. 5.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 26, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    OT, but more from Noisemax:

    Chris Christie Faces History of Bullying, Petty Attacks

    The knives are out for Governor Toecheese.

  6. 6.

    Schlemizel

    December 26, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    @Violet:

    poor, poor, pitiful L’ll Andy he only has a couple more than 30,000 people stupid enough to pay him for the privilege of reading the shit that he routinely excretes on them. He has so over-played his attempt to be one of the VSP that only the bottom of the barrel want to read it.

    He’ll be turning tricks in the bus station men’s room soon if there is any justice in the world.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    I pulled & rescheduled this post when I saw I’d bigfooted the Bloghost.

    When I first saw it, Cole’s post appeared above yours.

  8. 8.

    Anne Laurie

    December 26, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    @John Cole: Merry Xmas to you, too.

    Nothing in my post couldn’t wait until the late hours, but Steve pictures are always a joy, and I hope the early-to-bed commentors get a chance to enjoy them for once!

  9. 9.

    Joel

    December 26, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’ve been thinking for some time that the mayor from Fort Lee was given some enticement from republican operatives.

  10. 10.

    raven

    December 26, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    @efgoldman: Well, I’m home after three days of driving my ass all over so I’s happy.

  11. 11.

    Cassidy

    December 26, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    @raven: Lots of unnecessary emotional slips. Not like
    A title is on the line.

  12. 12.

    raven

    December 26, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    @Cassidy: I’ve seen worse games.

  13. 13.

    Cassidy

    December 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    @raven: True. Just filler for us tonight. Nothing else on. I’m waiting for the fights this weekend anyway.

  14. 14.

    Linkmeister

    December 26, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    I often sneer at Sullivan’s output and his opinion, but he’s managed to persuade 30, 000+ people to pay him for that stuff. That may not be at Palin’s level of grifting (and anyway, Sullivan believes what he writes, I think, unlike Palin) but it still ain’t cheddar. $800K in revenue is about $790K more than I’ve had this year. So he gets credit for a good sales pitch and opinions some folk find appealing from me.

  15. 15.

    raven

    December 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    @Cassidy: I’ve never been able to get interested. My pal that is now in China as trainer with the Bejing Ducks CBA team loves it but he has a background in Aikido and stuff like that.
    eta I assume you mean MMA?

  16. 16.

    raven

    December 26, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    @efgoldman: The traffic wasn’t bad yesterday or today. They say the mid-week xmas helps prevent the big crush.

  17. 17.

    Anoniminous

    December 26, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    @Schlemizel:

    $19.99 yearly fee times 30,000 is $599,700 so he is crying all the way to the bank.

  18. 18.

    Steve S

    December 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Matthew Yglesias is not so much a writer as a dada thought experiment: What if Andy Rooney was a private-schooled trust-funder who was paid to cross-post Yelp reviews on Slate and interpret Thomas Friedman for D.C.-based millennials with bachelors’ degrees?

    Less important than: Andy Rooney’s rant against bottled water.

    ouch.

  19. 19.

    Cassidy

    December 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    @raven: Yeah, but I’ll watch any martial arts/ combat sports on television from boxing to kickboxing, sambo, jiu jitsu tourneys, amateur wrestling, etc. Hell, I’ll even watch the 3 man MMA matches and the crazy Russian shit that’s part obstacle course part team MMA competition.

  20. 20.

    jl

    December 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Balloon-Juice posts are scheduled? I didn’t expect to be exposed to organized activity of that nature at this blog.
    The gardening, food and recipe, and health economics posts excepted, but I thought they were exceptions, permitted due to certain eccentricities of their authors, namely being organized enough to do regular posts on well defined topics.

    Anyway, I am shocked. And amazed and surprised.

  21. 21.

    Dead Ernest (Thought Wrangler)

    December 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    @John Cole: @Baud: @Anne Laurie:

    Either this is Cole’s idea of politeness, or FYWP has developed semi-sentience.

    Right after Raven posted the lyrics to Saint Stephen, the blog site seemed to shimmer, and looked sorta purple. I heard wind chimes, but the phase [of] their sound seemed …shifted. One could suggest it was just me, but everything else around me was unchanged.

    Probably a good thing Raven didn’t continue with the words of The Eleven.

  22. 22.

    raven

    December 26, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    @Dead Ernest (Thought Wrangler): Or Dark Star.

  23. 23.

    raven

    December 26, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Come to think of it:

    The wheel is turning and you can’t slow down
    You can’t let go and you can’t hold on
    You can’t go back and you can’t stand still
    If the thunder don’t get you then the lightning will

  24. 24.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    @Dead Ernest (Thought Wrangler):

    the blog site seemed to shimmer, and looked sorta purple. I heard wind chimes, but the phase their sound seemed …shifted.

    Wait till you see Cole’s post. The photos of Steve are well-lit and in-focus.

    It was freaky.

    ETA: And it’s up.

  25. 25.

    cokane

    December 26, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    @Schlemizel: you mean the privilege of reading his blockquoting of what someone else wrote. It should deeply shame someone to ask for money for linking to something else on the internet, but there it is.

  26. 26.

    Infinitefreetime

    December 26, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    I have a hard time looking down on someone who gets 30K people to pay him 20 bucks a year to read his blog. The next 20 bucks I get for my blog will be the first.

  27. 27.

    Cassidy

    December 26, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    @cokane: If people are so willing to give their money away then why should anyone be ashamed to take it?

  28. 28.

    raven

    December 26, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    @efgoldman: I only ever hit that for just a bit going to Hatteras but not for far.

  29. 29.

    Violet

    December 26, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    @Anoniminous: Andrew Sullivan isn’t keeping all that money himself. He’s got a couple of employees, plus costs for running the site. It’s still a good income stream.

  30. 30.

    cokane

    December 26, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    @Anoniminous: his blog also lists 8 staffers and 3 interns, not to mention none of those listed positions are technical positions, so hes forking some of that money over to others. He’s definitely making it work, but bank is not the word I’d use.

  31. 31.

    jl

    December 26, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Any BJers invited to Michelle Obama’s 50th B-day dance party? That’s what I want to know.

    And I see at TPM that Rob Ford nearly swept the Golden Duke awards. I thought that was a prize for U.S. scandals. If they’re going to let the whole world compete, the U.S. will need to step up it’s game.

    Edit: and to get beat like an old rug by Canucks, home of the Worthwhile Canadian Initiative. I fear the U.S. is losing its edge.

  32. 32.

    cokane

    December 26, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    @Cassidy: I guess when you get on your high horse about what constitutes “good journalism” on a semi-regular basis you should be also be capable of looking the mirror, if only for a moment.

    Furthermore, it isn’t about taking people’s money. It’s about profiteering off others’ work… key distinction here.

  33. 33.

    danielx

    December 26, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    OT but grotesque….

    Offhand, I would say this company’s actions in regard to this couple are the least of its problems at this point.

    If the allegations are true, I can see no reason why any sentient being would want to do business with them.

  34. 34.

    jl

    December 26, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    @cokane:

    Cassidy said “ashamed to take [money]”? wrt to U.S. media? I see those words put together, but not sure what they could mean. Ashamed to take money? What? Is that some kind of ‘green dreams furiously sleeping” philosophy puzzle, or what?

  35. 35.

    Dead Ernest (Thought Wrangler)

    December 26, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    @raven:

    The lines; You can’t let go and you can’t hold on – you can’t go back and you can’t stand still…

    always reminds me of hearing the three Laws of Thermodynamics described:

    – You can not win.
    – You can not break even.
    – You can’t not play.

    I’m sorry I don’t know who to credit for this pithy restating.

    Some might find it discouraging but, for me, its of immeasurable comfort. A peace inducing mantra.

  36. 36.

    Kay

    December 26, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Republicans are ready to offer their health care plan.

    “It’s no longer just a piece of paper that you can repeal and it goes away,” said Senator Ron Johnson, Republican of Wisconsin and a Tea Party favorite. “There’s something there. We have to recognize that reality. We have to deal with the people that are currently covered under Obamacare.”

    “The hardest problem for us is what to do next,” Mr. Graham said. “Should we just get out of the way and point out horror stories? Should we come up with a mini Contract With America on health care, or just say generally if you give us the Congress, the House and the Senate in 2014, here’s what we will do for you on multiple issues including health care? You become a more effective critic when you say, ‘Here’s what I’m for,’ and we’re not there yet. So there’s our struggle.”

    Generally, I think Senators should refrain from opining on “their struggle”.

    OTOH, Ron Johnson sounds vaguely threatening when he talks about “dealing with” the people currently covered under Obamacare, so that’s not quite right either.

    It’s a work in progress, obviously.

  37. 37.

    maus

    December 26, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Ah, Sullivan.

    29,999 Bell Curve aficionados and the Dan Savage pity subscription.

  38. 38.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    December 26, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Peggy Noonan is one of the most incisive columnists of the 19th century.

    Best line I saw there.

  39. 39.

    Anoniminous

    December 26, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    @Violet: @cokane:

    Thanks.

    Figure he’s pulling in $75,000 to $80,000. Which is $74,999.98 to $79,999.98 above his market value to me.

  40. 40.

    Comrade Jake

    December 26, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Ahm, Sullys not taking a salary in the first year. All that money’s going to staff and overhead, so far as I can tell.

    Some irony, the folks at Gawker putting a list like this together.

  41. 41.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    @Kay:

    It’s the essential Republican struggle: How to hurt people while getting the people to blame Democrats for being hurt.

  42. 42.

    jl

    December 26, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: The tag at the end of the Noonan piece was kind of a cheap shot at the Hon. Norman J. Coleman, though.

    Norman_Jay_Coleman
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Jay_Coleman

  43. 43.

    BBA

    December 26, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Freddie has dropped off the list, I see. Does that mean he’s more important now or less?

  44. 44.

    jl

    December 26, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    @BBA: Maybe there is a limbo of some kind in the gallery of bad writer hells?

  45. 45.

    Kay

    December 26, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    @Baud:

    Asked what should be done with the millions of people getting health care through the law, Senator Dan Coats, Republican of Indiana, said, “Call the White House and ask them.”

    There’s that belligerence we’ve come to know and love.

  46. 46.

    Hill Dweller

    December 26, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    @Kay: I so hope they attempt to create a plan. It will be both laughable and cynical.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    @Kay:

    Leadership!

    If only Obama had socialized with Dan Coats more…

  48. 48.

    Mike in NC

    December 26, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    At least they called out Ron Fournier to be the oxygen thief that he is.

  49. 49.

    Kay

    December 26, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    @Baud:

    Graham thinks they can milk anti-Obamacare for one more cycle. I agree. They just have to mumble something about “across state lines” with no numbers and they’ll be fine. It doesn’t matter though, longer term. 75% of Republicans polled want it repealed. If they take the Senate they have a problem, because they will have to at least pretend to repeal it. If they don’t take the Senate they have the same problem in 2016, except it’s bigger.

  50. 50.

    jl

    December 26, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    @Kay
    @Baud:

    ‘ Ron Johnson sounds vaguely threatening when he talks about “dealing with” the people currently covered under Obamacare, ‘

    ‘ Asked what should be done with the millions of people getting health care through the law, Senator Dan Coats, Republican of Indiana, said, “Call the White House and ask them.” ‘

    I thought you two, of all people, would be familiar with the GOP outreach program by now. It’s a finely honed PR machine.

  51. 51.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    They prefer to be known as job carbon dioxide creators.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    @Kay:

    Open season doesn’t end until the end of March. I wonder what the final numbers will be and how that will affect election strategy.

  53. 53.

    kc

    December 26, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    @Cassidy:

    Typical dudebro pastimes.

  54. 54.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 26, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    @Kay:

    Darth Sidious to separatist leaders: “My apprentice, Darth Vader, is coming to…take care of you.”

  55. 55.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Fun fact: Sith apprentices were provided access to affordable health insurance because, frankly, the Sith weren’t evil assholes.

  56. 56.

    Bob

    December 26, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    You know what’s really interesting in that article? No. I’ll tell you. Freddie DeBoer shows up in the comments. I thought he was dead, or something.

  57. 57.

    Kay

    December 26, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    @Baud:

    I never thought the law was particularly politically beneficial. “The uninsured” are not influential or courted. “The insured” are much louder and better represented in Congress.

    I think the only wild card there is Latinos, actually, as far as identified groups that supported the law and will probably benefit from it. I’m interested in how that plays out.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    December 26, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    @Kay:

    “The uninsured” are not influential or courted.

    But people who sign up are no longer uninsured. They now have something tangible that Republicans are planning to take away.

  59. 59.

    Cassidy

    December 26, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    @kc: That’s funny. You’re so intent on trying to be insulting, and failing, that you just say shit without knowing what you’re even talking about. Lame and sad.

  60. 60.

    fka AWS

    December 26, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    @Bob: DeBoer infests the Gawker comments now.

  61. 61.

    Bob

    December 26, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    @fka AWS: Yeah, I saw that. I recall a time when Freddie tore into Gawker, probably when he was over at the League of Ordinary Gents.

  62. 62.

    Kay

    December 26, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    @Baud:

    True, but I’m not convinced. I base this on SCHIP. I know how important it is to parents and one would think childrens’ health care would be politically bullet-proof, but it isn’t.
    Has SCHIP offered any particular benefit to Democrats? No, not really. It should, but it hasn’t. I see kids literally every day who would never see a doctor without it. Doesn’t matter.
    I’m curious about a lot of things, the mental health parity plus Medicaid expansion will be huge, I think. People have no earthly idea what a mess our mental health system is. We don’t have one. It’s basically cops and emergency rooms and exhausted family members. I have these ridiculous situations where I have a court order but what am I supposed to do? Talk this person into my car? Take them…where?
    I think the mental health piece might be profound, if not politically potent.

  63. 63.

    fka AWS

    December 26, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    @Bob: He’s not well-liked on Jezebel either. heh.

  64. 64.

    Keith P

    December 26, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    IIRC Byers is the main guy at Politico who posts “articles” every week or so about whatever Limbaugh says about Obama or Harry Reid on a given day.

  65. 65.

    Splitting Image

    December 26, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    Best line I saw there.

    It’s a great line, but I would question its accuracy. The nineteenth century would have eaten Peggy Noonan for breakfast. Her competition as an American opinion-writer would have included Mark Twain, Ambrose Bierce, the James brothers, and Edith Wharton.

  66. 66.

    rikyrah

    December 26, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    @Kay:
    Yes, I want to see their plan. Let’s do the side by side comparison

  67. 67.

    rikyrah

    December 26, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    @efgoldman:
    The Democrats should definitely nationalize the election. Go to Kentucky and make ad after ad with all those working poor who now have healthcare. Ask those who are the working poor in states with GOP Governors why they shouldn’t have healthcare too

  68. 68.

    Dead Ernest (Thought Wrangler)

    December 26, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    @Splitting Image:

    Her competition as an American opinion-writer would have included Mark Twain, Ambrose Bierce, the James brothers, and Edith Wharton.

    I confess to being culturally dim. Educate me please Splitt, I either recognize or know all the above – except the brothers.
    I should probably not spend the rest of my life thinking I just learned Frank & Jessy would have made a fine addition to the table at the Algonquin, no?

  69. 69.

    moonbat

    December 26, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    @Splitting Image: Too true. Not to mention H.L. Mencken would eviscerate her on a daily basis.

  70. 70.

    Rhubarb

    December 26, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    I think “the James brothers” might mean Henry and William.

  71. 71.

    NotMax

    December 26, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    @Cassidy

    What, no Extreme Ironing?

  72. 72.

    rikyrah

    December 26, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    And it goes without saying that all the working poor in those Dem ads are WHITE. I stand by my belief that the non-White working poor are ABSOLUTELY CLEAR as to whom is keeping the bridge to healthcare away from them.

  73. 73.

    Cassidy

    December 26, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    @NotMax: hehehe. I like that. Reminds me if a comedy bit about adding extreme to everything in the 90’s. Look up Hip Show In YouTube.

  74. 74.

    Radio One

    December 27, 2013 at 1:44 am

    I was surprised that Matt Yglesias made the list, since I’ve read his stuff for years during the Bush administration. Then I realized that I haven’t actually read anything he’s written for the last couple of years.

  75. 75.

    Mike with a Mic

    December 27, 2013 at 2:12 am

    @efgoldman:

    They turned out in the mid term election here in VA?

  76. 76.

    Anya

    December 27, 2013 at 11:28 am

    @maus: Are you sure Dan Savege is not a Bell Curve aficionado?

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