Via commentor Schlemizel. Thanks, dude!
Also, an update to Cole’s late-night rant, from Carolyn Bankoff at NYMag:
… In an appearance on Fox News Sunday, Romney did the reasonable thing and accepted [MHP’s apology].
“Well, you know, I think people recognize, and the folks at MSNBC have apologized, recognize people like me are fair targets. If you get in the political game, you can expect incoming. But children, you know, that’s beyond the line, and I think they understand that, and feel that as well,” Romney told Chris Wallace. “I think it’s a heartfelt apology. I think for that reason, we hold no ill will whatsoever.”
When Wallace reminded Romney that Harris-Perry had floated the idea of Kieran marrying North West, forcing Romney and Kanye to become in-laws, he responded, “I hadn’t heard those and don’t have any comment on those,” possibly because he is not sure who Harris-Perry was talking about. See? Joking about adult Romneys is so easy that you really don’t need to bring the babies into it.
The kanye west joke has really riled these folks up huh. Once again that was the whole point. That Romney is Mr Brady perfect 50’s ideal and wouldn’t it be funny if known jackass kanye were his son in law. If one more person claims the joke is racist my head will explode.
If he’s trying to take the high road with aftermath of his 47% true-feelings, he can’t take the low road with MHP.
Lucy got a haircut Aka her hair got really matted and they had to go this short. Owner fail.
Still waiting for Fox’s apology for Michael Scheuer.
wanna know what else progressives have ruined, white flight. wimmens are competing for medals in the dam Olympics.
… and if a Blble-thumper complains about the bad language we atheists use, point them here:
That joke was not racist, but the entire skit was so poorly conceived.
MHP chose to present a picture of Romney with his black grandchild to a bunch of comedians who didn’t know about it in advance. WTF was she thinking?….what could possibly go wrong?
The unfortunate end result is that the only person emerging from the whole shitfest with any credit at all is Romney.
ETA: The biggest asshole is now Alec Baldwin who allegedly tweeted “If I cry, will I be forgiven all of my transgressions?”. Regardless of anything else, MSNBC is better off without that asshole.
That guy is absolutely brilliant! Yeah first thing I thought too was “Youtube!” I hope this thing goes viral.
OMG. That face!
Cansomeinsider tell me wtf this means?
I don’t watch American Idol.
Coles piece HAD NO comments. Is this an Executive Order?
Getting buried by the snow here in Central Indiana. Twice have shoveled out under 5 inches and getting ready to go back out for a third time.
Then more snow until midnight. Then temperature is to drop to minus 9 and another 1 to 3 inches and blowing.
High Monday expected to be minus 10. Low of minus 15.
It kinda sorta is a huge pain in the ass.
I’ve tweeted and posted to book of faces this video. Spread it far and wide. Then go listen to his Tom Cruise Scares Me, funny as hell. He sounds like he’d make a good BJ commenter.
Good for Romney for being gracious. I hope that’s the end of the whole stupid thing.
@Baud: she’s a sweetheart.
I wish that the news folks would stick with news and let the comedians do comedy.
The whole melding of the two has run the course.
I blame Hunter S. Thompson/.
@ranchandsyrup: How utterly adorable. She looks a bit like Soonergrunt’s dog.
Any update on the 2014 Pet calendar? My 2 beauties are hopefully in there…and hopefully not in January so I can enjoy them for more than 2 weeks.
Villago Delenda Est
That is apparently your opinion.
Which is one of the reasons why you are not held in high esteem around here.
Yeah, but how long will it take Faux & Friends, Snowbilly Snooki, etc., to follow the Mittster’s gracious lead?
(Not disagreeing with you at all, btw. I thought MHP’s apology was amazingly heartfelt, and Romney’s acceptance was as classy as I’ve ever seen him. But I have a feeling that some of the RWNJ cadre are wanting to keep this going as long as they can.)
You know who I really miss? Charlie.
I know we were told that he went to a good home after the General”s death, but I sure miss seeing that little face. I’m glad I saved one or two photos of him before everything went pear-shaped last summer.
@Villago Delenda Est:
Yes it is. Though everyone else had already set the bar pretty low for him.
Oh, sorry. Did I shit all over your sofa? My bad.
I think he would be labeled a firebagger here of insufficient fealty to the party. He has a great sense of humor and a keen eye for BS though, it would be interesting to hear him talk politics.
@SiubhanDuinne: They will never do it, but that’s not what they do and it doesn’t really concern them anyway. It’s between MHP and the other people on her show who were involved and the Romney family. Anyone on Fox or Klondike Kardashian or whoever can’t accept the apology because it wasn’t made to them.
Of course screeching wingnuts want to keep the story going as long as possible. They’ll do what they can, but at this point more screeching is not going to get them the traction they want it to because the “injured party” (Romney) has accepted the apology. They can screech about it, but if they don’t like that Romney accepted a heartfelt apology it just makes them look petty. It doesn’t have legs at this point.
I feel for you! Stay safe. It sucks.
@TMinSJ: Anna said John had to get a new graphic designer so there is a delay.
@jharp: Live much further south than you, but spent the better part of three hours today watering plants, covering pipes, and in the afternoon covering all sorts of plants and tropical trees. Some have gallon water jugs under them. Some have Christmas lights for added warmth. It’s supposed to get into the 20’s and stay there for up to nine hours tonight and even worse tomorrow night. That’s just too cold for tropicals. Hopefully the citrus and papaya will survive. The bananas are on their own. Fingers crossed the shrimp plants survive. They’re very sentimental to me.
WAAAHHH. Its already 10 below here and only getting colder tomorrow. 10″ of snow is nothing. One Thanksgiving we got 22″ on Wed. and 24″ on Thanksgiving day. Toughen up! :)
stay warm & watch your fingers & toes.
@SiubhanDuinne: The General’s sister posted here a couple of times after John finally got in touch. I wonder if she’d know where Charlie ended up.
@SiubhanDuinne: It will be fun, although pointless I concede, to get to point out to all of them that Romney has accepted the apology, so what exactly is their standing to demand anything more? They aren’t really party to the so-called offense.
@Ben Franklin: WTF? There are more than 80 comments.
@Omnes Omnibus: Shouldn’t you be somewhere? Fucking great play by Rogers.
@raven: I am watching it. I just checked in here during commercial.
Mike in NC
“Perrygate, the biggest scandal of 2014!”
Still waiting for Romney’s apology for being Romney. They never apologize for anything. Ever. She shouldn’t have given him the satisfaction.
This is a good game.
Somebody needs to smack the editor of the NYT homepage.
An Open House at Gracie Mansion
On the homepage:
The line in the actual story:
‘A time-tested political strategy’.
Seriously, any time you imply that de Blasio has something common in Andrew Jackson (because they’re both ‘populists’) then something is seriously wrong with your political classifications, probably starting with the notion of ‘populist’ – unless you are prepared to go all the way and start calling people (with a straight face, in your actual newspaper) like, say, Michael Bloomberg or Mitt Romney ‘aristocrats’ or ‘aristocratic’. (Or ‘autocratic’ for that matter.)
Otherwise ‘populist’ is synonymous with ‘popular’ or ‘well-liked’… which implies Bloomberg wasn’t popular or well-liked. (He DID manage to get elected, so there’s that.)
[‘I won’t get into the ideological shadow that casts ‘unpopular’ as ‘the right thing to do’.’]
@GregB: Don’t blame Hunter, blame people thinking they have the ability to do what Hunter seemed to do in his sleep. Of course, Thompson worked like a dog at his craft, his early stuff is just mind-bendingly amazing. Molly Ivins was the last person who could pull off news and lacerating comedy at the same time.
@Omnes Omnibus: Don’t be a Fatty Face Fisherman!
@max: President Obama did the same thing in 2008 after the inauguration. He and Michelle greeted members of the public for awhile at the White House. Can’t remember if they did it in 2012.
MHP shouldn’t have apologized for shit. Fuck their feelings, fuck their disingenuous bullshit, and fuck them with the pointy heads of our suburban liberal contingent.
The link indicated zero. It seemed the late hour was unnoticed, and someone was directed to note. I guess it was my error.
@Cassidy: Why should MHP not have apologized?
What are shrimp plants?
And public receptions at the President’s residence go back to Washington.
Presidential Handshakes on New Year’s Day
White House Receptions Began the New Year
By Robert McNamara
Edit: I read some place that Jefferson came up with the idea of serving a giant wheel of cheese to the public too, but not sure whether that was something at the White House. I think the Jackson was one of first inaugurals with WH open to public, and it almost turned into a riot.
Gaaaah! Is working from home on Monday an option? Not that it looks like it’s gonna warm up anytime soon.
@SiubhanDuinne: Shrimp plants. Love ’em. Come in all sorts of colors. I’ve got lots, but some I got from family and they’re sentimental to me.
I kind of remember the sister saying that Charlie was in a good hom, but no details. Hope that is the case and Charlie is happy and pampered in his new forever home. I’m not really much of a dog person, as I’ve mentioned here before, but something about Charlie’s face just melted my heart. I think of him more often than I’m comfortable admitting.
I am an American Indian. My ancestors and I have wanted our country back for a much longer time than the idiot tea partiers.
@Bonnie: With the added credibility of having actually had it taken from you.
Ah, those are very cool. Pretty!! Never heard of them before (that’s one of the many reasons I love this blog).
I’m as WASP as they come, but I am wishing right now for a “like” button.
Looking bad for Green Bay.
@Violet: yeah they do look kind of alike. :)
@SiubhanDuinne: I think they’re pretty tropical. I saw them growing in Hawaii–yellow ones! Here’s pictures. The ones I have are actually pretty robust and will withstand a light freeze just fine. But temps in the 20’s for nine hours is too much so I covered them. I hope they’ll be okay.
DAMMMMMMN! 3 hours…Oh My!
Sex Sent Me to the ER Featured a Woman Who Orgasmed for 3 Hours
@Violet: Maybe I’ve misunderstood, but she didn’t do anything to apologize for. Seriously, I’m not concerned about the delicate fee fees of people with a permanent victims complex because someone on her show said something possibly offensive that they could try and turn into another culture war battle. They have people on their shows who say Cole, offensive shit every day and are never held to account and I’m not going to hold her to a standard of decency these sorry sacks of shit couldn’t reach if we helped by elevating them on pikes.
@Baud: Going 3 and out on your opening three possessions is no way to get ahead in the NFL.
Jefferson came up with the idea of serving a giant wheel of cheese to the public
It was a gift from an over-fervent supporter. (As Jefferson refused to accept personal gifts, he paid $200 to the makers when it turned out the thing was impossible to refuse.)
When delivered, the so-called “Mammoth” cheese wheel was over four feet in diameter, fifteen inches thick, and weighed well over a thousand pounds.. The linked account does not mention serving it to the general public, but that might have been adviseable: others recount that it was still being served at the White House up to four years later, at which time (no refrigeration, remember) it was “far from good”.
@Cassidy: I guess we have different opinions on that. Here’s a link to a story I posted yesterday. It’s from a December 31st article, so before the latest apology.
She’s the one who stated her preferences about the Romney grandchild’s future marriage. To me that’s out of bounds and she should apologize and did. That should have been the end of it. I think the non-adult children or grandchildren of politicians are off limits. It’s not right when the rightwing talks about the Obama girls or when they talked about Chelsea Clinton. It’s not right when MHP or anyone else talks about Romney’s grandkids. Just leave them out of it. If you want to talk about the lack of diversity in the Republican party there are plenty of other ways to talk about it. Bringing the infant child into it is wrong. I’m glad she apologized.
My Google-fu is failing me, so maybe someone here knows. Is there some kind of tax dodge/fee dodge/grift/scam involving registering one’s car in Tennessee?
Being in a tourist state, there are a great number of rental cars (one learns to recognize the fleet-only models, markings, et cetera), and I’ve seen a wholesale switch from Florida tags to Tennessee tags.
While out today, I noticed several pretty clearly high-income-bracket cars with Tennessee tags, but with tag frames from local dealers.
Florida has no car tax, and registration fees are pretty modest (less than $60 a year) for non-commercial vehicles. I could see in a large fleet where even a few dollars per car could add up, but what’s the deal with the one percenters?
@joel hanes: Thanks for the info and link. I read someplace about a huge cheese being served at a reception. Your link says it was at the WH the next New Year’s Day. Jefferson, like all presidents in that era, had combined public and foreign diplomatic receptions at the WH on the New Year, so maybe that was the reception I read about.
Edit: Yay Niners!
JUST IN: Chicago, Illinois Public Schools cancelled for Monday due to extreme cold [email protected]
5:26 PM – 5 Jan 2014
This. Don’t even think about going there. It will never turn out well.
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
Was going out of town for the night. Spawn was staying home.
Stopped home with a burrito for him.
Spawn: “Ryan is coming over”
Me: “I’m not going”
Spawn: “Why not”?
Me: “Too cold”
Me: “how many people are coming over?”
Spawn “like, thirty”
Don’t believe that, cheese, like wine, only gets better with age. I purposefully buy cheese on sale about to hit its “sell by” date and store it for months for it to mature. One of the best cheeses I have ever eaten was a four year old Cathedral White Cheddar. It was heaven on a plate.
Fiddlesticks. The only football team that matters is out of the playoffs again.
Though I wonder if the ‘Who struck John?’ types on the right felt the same way when Limbaugh talked about the Clinton family dog on his short-lived TV show and held up a picture of Chelsea Clinton?
Somehow I doubt it.
I am glad MHP apologized and I am glad that Romney was gracious in accepting her apology. However, why has it not been more widely publicized that they named their black grandchild the Gaelic of “the dark one” are journalists that lazy these days?
@Litlebritdiftrnt: Some do, some don’t. Did you bring back any cheese from your trip to the UK this year? We bring it back when we go, especially bog standard supermarket cheddar. The extra strong kind. Cut it up in thirds, wrap in waxed paper, store in freezer. It gets a bit crumbly but tastes fine, especially if using for cheese on toast or in eggs or something.
You can bring back hard cheeses, not soft cheese, and they cannot be raw milk. There are plenty to choose from. We try to get ones that are harder to get here, like Cheshire or a good Wensleydale. Where I live we’ve got a lot of good cheese counters or shops so I’m spoiled, but some of the English cheeses are still hard to get.
@Litlebritdiftrnt: Yes, they’re lazy. They’re probably also afraid to go there. How the hell do you do a story on the Mormon white-as-snow Romneys naming their adopted black child the Gaelic for “the dark one”? Landmines all over the place. Why go there? What’s the upside. And people name their kids all sorts of names without knowing what the names mean. Perhaps the parents didn’t realize what it meant.
@Litlebritdiftrnt: Several years ago, the kid got me a cheese sampler. Different cheeses of different ages. The 5 year old cheddar was really yummy. I think as long as you store it properly and it doesn’t dry out, it’ll improve with age.
@Glocksman: Just because the other side is doing the wrong thing doesn’t mean you have to do it as well. MHP made a mistake with what she said. An apology was warranted and she was right to give it. Accepting a heartfelt apology graciously is also the right thing to do and Romney did the right thing there.
The only lesson anyone should take away from this whole issue is that talking about the non-adult children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, stepkids, whatever of politicians is the wrong thing to do. Unless the child does something that is newsworthy in itself (good or bad), leave the kid out of the conversation. Doesn’t matter if one side did it before. “Both sides do it” is no excuse. Just don’t go there.
In a sane world I would agree with your perspective, but the fact is we don’t live in one. As I think was Cole’s point, we live in a world where despicable right wing fucktards routinely say outrageous shit about the president, his family, and all kinds of other things with absolutely zero standards of human decency, never mind what’s out of bounds — and not only do they not apologize, they fucking thrive on it.
So, as often happens, Cole and I are of one mind on this matter. : )
ETA: And actually, more to the point is this part of what Cole said:
“But let’s compare what some jackass said on tv to what Romney and Ryan wanted to do to America and what their policies would have done to African-American children not lucky enough to be adopted by a quarter-billionaire white guy. Or what the party Romney belongs to has done to make sure young Miss Romney has a helluva time voting. And so on.”
aieeee. forecast now says 20 tuesday dawn here on de island, mon, and it’ll stay below freezing for 10 hours. kiss off the banana plants and the bananas on them. hope the citrus survives.
hadda pick all the peppers and eggplants in the garden.
this happens every 20 years or so…which is way too often to suit me.
I brought back some really mature Lancashire crumbly which was gone in about a week! Thankfully I can get a really nice Cheshire (a good substitute for Lancashire for cheese on toast) at Lowes Foods about 45 minutes away. Recently my local Food Lion had their mature English Cheddar reduced cause it was about to hit its sell by date. I bought a metric ton of it and it is in my Fridge as we speak letting the cheese mites do their thing. @Violet:
Many years ago a poor young girl who graduated from Jacksonville High School was called “Latrine Jackson”. I have not the words
Too lazy to Google it, but wasn’t there a West Wing episode based on the giant wheel of cheese open-house tradition?
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
When I was poring the internet in search of Stuck, I found his image sharing page. Thousands of pictures, mostly hummingbirds, but lots of charlie too. Can’t seem to find it right now. I’ll look more.
@Violet: Hell, Bush’s twins got off pretty easy when they WERE doing newsworthy things. (Or so it seemed to me. But maybe I just didn’t pay much attention.)
One of my most abiding memories of living in England before I moved here was going to Cheddar Gorge, stopping for lunch at a really ancient pub and having a ploughman’s lunch with a cold shandy. The cheese on the Ploughman’s was taken from the caves in the Gorge that day and carved for my lunch, it was nutty, crumbly, tasteful, perfection. Coupled with the crusty bread, farmhouse butter, pickles and onions it was absolute heaven. I honestly do not think I have ever tasted the like. So obviously I am spoiled rotten. By that standard “American Cheese” is the most unthinkable thing ever. Or as my Dad used to call it “plastic cheese”.
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
@eemom: I think there are other ways to fight back rather than picking a fight using a child. I completely agree that the rightwing gets away with everything. They’re also “outraged” at the drop of a hat. It’s ridiculous. Still doesn’t mean bringing the grandchild of a former Presidential candidate into the discussion is the right thing to do. The fact that the wingnuts thrive on it is a problem with our media. They should be pilloried for the crap and lies they spew. They aren’t.
@max: We were there ! We got our pix taken wgthe mayor ! He is 8 feet tall ! Waited 3 hours, not 2, but they had a few heat tents & served us hot chocolate & cider. Feet just thawing out now but it was totally worth it, though the kids had bailed so no close-up look at dante’s afro or chiara’s headband.
@Violet: I very much agree. The kids have no choice in whom they’re related to or what politics those people choose to follow. Whatever the intention was, it was still ill-conceived to drag minor children/grandchildren into the spotlight. Don’t “celebrate” the kids; don’t criticize the kids. They have nothing to do with the political scene.
Yep, stupid and avoidable. This is what happens when news becomes entertainment.
What I tried to say was that I doubt the sincerity of many of those complaining on the right, not that MHP shouldn’t have apologized or that wrongdoing from one side is license to or an excuse for the other to do the same.
I’m too lazy to google it, but I’ll bet money some of the most vehement howlers on teh intertubes about MHP have no problems with someone attacking or making jokes about Sasha or Malia.
Personally I’m a bit surprised that Lortab Limbaugh, Hannity the Liar, or Levin the Hysterical haven’t been heard from yet.
@Gex: The Bush girls were adults by the time he got inaugurated, weren’t they? As such I think they’re less off limits than non-adult kids. Still, I think the kids of politicians, unless they decide to pursue some kind of job or career in the public eye, like Megan McCain or Bristol Palin, should be off limits. It’s not their fault their parent is a politician. Their lives are affected enough by it without the press and anyone else making it a living hell.
We certainly do. But why measure (or justify) your own behavior based on that of right wing fucktards in the first place? All that achieves is to drag yourself down to their level.
Do what is appropriate, regardless of what they are doing. And the appropriate thing is to stay well away from the kids and grandkids of political opponents. Don’t even say nice things, which can and will be misconstrued and distorted, and used against you. Just stay away.
@Glocksman: Oh, yeah, I agree. I’m sure plenty of people howling on the right are complete hypocrites when the tables are turned.
@Litlebritdiftrnt: Love a good Lancashire crumbly. Pulled some out of the freezer this weekend. Except for being extra crumbly it was still delicious. We freeze it in small portions so it’ll last longer. Works pretty well.
They were attractive, which counts for a lot with many people.
Well, let’s compromise and call it a rookie mistake. It was entirely predictable just showing that photo was going to bring wounded-wolverine screams from the Wingnut Wurlitzer, and the only way to survive the ensuing fauxrage without apologizing would be to say “Fvck y’all with your own ever-ready pitchforks & torches, and incidentally my white Mormon mamma says that you are the real racists.” Even if she had decided to go Full Metal White Man on her haterz, we can assume that MSNBC wouldn’t have supported her afterwards (see Bashir, Martin).
The only way you “win” that kind of pissing contest is if you have the personality/training to be, well, Alex Baldwin — a Very White Guy with an established authoritarian schtick. Even Baldwin couldn’t keep MSNBC from folding like a cheap cot, but he kept his endorsement gigs, because chest-thumping is a big part of his brand. Melissa Harris-Perry is not Alex Baldwin — a fact for which we all, not least MHP, are grateful — so she took the least personally damaging option open to her.
Look at it this way: You don’t see many purebred greyhounds running the Iditarod, even though greyhounds are objectively faster than sled dogs. Complaining that MHP didn’t “tough it out” is like complaining that she ought to be a different person than she was hired to be — a smart, educated, sensitive woman of color, not a gleeful moron whose first instinct when attacked would be to double down. The choice she made is not the choice you or I would’ve made, but then, we’re here running our mouths on a blog!
@Litlebritdiftrnt: Still, I doubt that much Gaelic is spoken or understood in the Romney family. Also, do we know it is not the child’s birth name?
I was beginning to think I was the only person on the intertubes who thought that no apology was needed. The GOP screamers cannot handle the truth – they can give out the sh!t – but never accept the truth.
Where are all the people screaming for the downfall of those who are now throwing racist remarks at the first lady – because she dares to have a holiday.
The supreme court needs it selective head examined for saying racism ended with the election of President Obama – quite the opposite has happened. Last time there was this much racism by politicians, the media and the RWNJs was in the 1960s.
They (the Bush twins) were attractive to white America – Michelle Obama & her children are the most attractive first family with the best of “family values” included – they just don’t look that way to those who think they should be working in the WH gardens.
To compare MHP with Baldwin is a little unfair to her. She was obviously deeply sorry, and apologized unreservedly.
Baldwin offered a non-apology, and has a previous history with his homophobia. And Baldwin’s mocking of MHP’s apology showed that MSNBC were right to fire him. Baldwin is a handsome, rich movie star who happens to have some left wing views, but he is an asshole of a human being.
@Violet: I see what you’re saying, but I don’t agree she did anything wrong.
@Anne Laurie: Sure it was predictable. Wingnut howls of fauxtrage are as predictable as wingnuts saying bigoted shit. I still don’t think she should have had to apologize. Maybe she feels she should have apologized and that’s her choice, but all the people clamoring for her to grovel should be pushed off a dock.
Apparently the entire concept of people minding their own fucking business is a thing of the ancient past.
Why anyone would have, much less express repeatedly, any opinion about the Romney adoption is beyond me. It’s none of my fucking business.
And why anyone would have, much less express repeatedly and in layers upon layers of navelgazing, any opinion about MHP’s apology is also beyond me. It’s her show, she can say anything she pleases, and fuck John Cole and anyone else who has an “opinion” about it. Who gives a flying shit?
The entire fucking topic is nothing but gossip, and even for this cesspool of human interaction, it’s embarrassing and pointless.
If were you, John Cole, I would just take down these asinine threads and apologize to all of us for turning your blog into a little old ladies’ rest home.
Every fuckin’ lawn everywhere. Bitches best be off ’em.
Angel Haze – Gossip Folks
@Thymezone: Glad to see you back, sir.
@Heywood J.: I thought her apology was mostly aimed at multi-racial families. That was the place where she choked up.
I haven’t looked at the offending clip. Don’t know if they deleted it, wouldn’t be surprised. I listen to MHP on line every week but bailed on that episode early because it was an ill conceived train wreck. MHP’s show are usually great but you can’t be great without taking some risks and risks are always, well risky.
Anyway, I’m getting a sinking feeling that MSNBC execs are going to pull the plug on one of the best shows they have. Hey, it wouldn’t be fair to Olbermann and Bashir to let a faux pas slip without firing someone. Besides she’s just s gurl. It’s not like she’s someone important like Chris Mathews, who is arrogant and rude to everybody.
But snark aside, Has anyone here heard any ill winds blowing for MHP Show? Do we need to get out in front of this thing with an e-mail campaign? I think I’ll start that right now. TO THE BARRICADES COMMRADS!
To be fair to Mr. Romney, I would rather not know who North or Kanye West are, too.