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by Tim F|  January 10, 20141:08 pm| 146 Comments

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Any minute now the NJ Assembly’s Transportation Committee will release more than 900 pages of emails from David “first under the bus” Wildstein, a man who will never need to use the Carlos Danger name generator. In the meantime enjoy Ride the Lightning played by a bluegrass band.

Chat about whatever.

***update***

Several news sources say the docs are out. Traveling now so you will have to hunt around for the gory details.

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  1. 1.

    Cacti

    January 10, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    David Wildstein, the guy went to high school with the governor and held a high level position in his administration?

    Christie barely even knows him.

  2. 2.

    schrodinger's cat

    January 10, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    We had snow overnight. Again. Are you ready for your new Viking overlords?

  3. 3.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    @Cacti: Who the hell is Donald Wilderschtein? Never heard of him. And he’s a notorious liar, too.
    /Gov Christie

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    No, Chris Cilliza. The Dems should not “take a step backward” at this point.
    Go F Y.

  5. 5.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 10, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    @Corner Stone: Did you catch Mrs Greenspan refer to the “quiet launch of a presidential campaign”? Do you think maybe she might not be that bright?

  6. 6.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    For those who couldn’t see it, you really need to catch the MSNBC interview Andrea Mitchell had with State Sen Weinberg.
    Weinberg basically held court for several minutes and destroyed Gov Christie. There is absolutely no way his story can withstand the holes she was punching through it with both hands. Like Manny Pacquiao imitation, she knocked him the fuck out.

  7. 7.

    shortstop

    January 10, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ya think? But what she lacks in smarts she makes up for in smug dismissiveness, so it all evens out.

  8. 8.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: They all had so much riding on a Christie campaign. They can’t bear the thought of giving him up. Especially for some stupid bridge scandal bullshit. I mean, they can’t even trade his campaign run off for a dead girl/live boy sex scandal!
    So, they are hating the truth of all this.

  9. 9.

    Valdivia

    January 10, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    ooh. I wish I had seen that.

  10. 10.

    Suffern ACE

    January 10, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The only presidential campaign ever untaken out of spite to clear one’s name in a traffic controversy. If he didn’t need to clear his name, he’d never be running. He has Mr. Smith levels of integrity and the GWB access is his national boys camp.

  11. 11.

    srv

    January 10, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    In other cultures and other times, these people would literally fall on their swords.

    Dr. Spock’s corrosive impact on our society continues.

  12. 12.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    @Valdivia: It was brutally efficient, with no wasted moves.
    Your top two appointees resign and you don’t ask them why? *karate chop*
    Patrick Foye says laws may have been broken and you don’t call him to ask what laws, or any of my guys in this? *knee to the gut*
    He didn’t know anything about this when I specifically told his very own Chief of Staff that I was not going to drop the bridge thing? *elbow smash to the chin*

  13. 13.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 10, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    @Suffern ACE: Oh hell, I think Christie started running for president the say after his first election, and his ego and ambition have only grown as the Morning Joe-Politico crew have fallen harder for him

  14. 14.

    Jebediah, RBG

    January 10, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    I’ve got a CD called “Pickin’ on Wilco,” similar idea – bluegrass versions but with no vocals. I like it.

  15. 15.

    Fuzzy

    January 10, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    There are photos of all these non-Christie associates coming out now along with more e-mails. The man is a huge, noxious, lying bully but I wish all this had waited to be exposed after he won the GOP nomination. Somebody please us the IMPEACH word.

  16. 16.

    Fuzzy

    January 10, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    There are photos of all these non-Christie associates coming out now along with more e-mails. The man is a huge, noxious, lying bully but I wish all this had waited to be exposed after he won the GOP nomination. Somebody please us the IMPEACH word.

  17. 17.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 10, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Exactly. Go for the throat. Kick this vile asshole to the curb, and stomp on him there.

    No mercy, no quarter for Christie. None.

  18. 18.

    Fuzzy

    January 10, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    There are photos of all these non-Christie associates coming out now along with more e-mails. The man is a huge, noxious, lying bully but I wish all this had waited to be exposed after he won the GOP nomination. Somebody please us the IMPEACH word.

  19. 19.

    Calming influence

    January 10, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    @Corner Stone: I’m digging around the Googles for video of that, but so far no joy – do you have a link?

  20. 20.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 10, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    @Fuzzy:

    OK, FYWP just replicated your comment, but it was a good one. Over in Wingnuttia, they’re screaming “IMPEACH” about Obama because, well, figure it out yourself. He’s a Democrat, and he’s near.

    Meanwhile, Christie fucks over northeastern New Jersey and they’re defending his ass.

  21. 21.

    NonyNony

    January 10, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    @Fuzzy:

    but I wish all this had waited to be exposed after he won the GOP nomination.

    No, because during the presidential run people have already picked sides and they’ll defend him to the death once he’s the nominee.

    This way it’s open for his political enemies to skewer him from the right while he’s being investigated.

    Plus the debate during a campaign would be all about whether the Democrats in DC had politicized the investigation by being Democrats during a campaign. That particular form of squid ink is a nonstarter now, so that’s good.

  22. 22.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    @Calming influence: Not up on their site yet. Just happened about 20 minutes ago. Hopefully they’ll have it up soon.

  23. 23.

    Valdivia

    January 10, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    swoon.

    Thanks for the blow for blow report :)

  24. 24.

    Calming influence

    January 10, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    @Corner Stone: Thanks. This one with NJ Sen. Barbara Buono ain’t bad either…

  25. 25.

    aimai

    January 10, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    @NonyNony: I agree. It would have been totally lost at that point.

  26. 26.

    Botsplainer

    January 10, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Crazy Train, done in Bluegrass…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMrAbPSUhA4

  27. 27.

    Slugger

    January 10, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    I know that the cold weather here totally invalidates any concern about global warming, but I decided to look at the rest of the world since “global” means more than the football field in Green Bay. Today’s high will be 37 with a low of 32 in Moscow. If January 1942 had been like this, we’d all be speaking German.

  28. 28.

    Belafon

    January 10, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    In Garland, TX, this morning, 0 visibility fog cause a pileup on I-30 with 6 18-wheelers and 7 cars, resulting in a fuel spill and potential damage to the bridge crossing Lake Ray Hubbard. They shut down traffic in both directions. This caused problems for the people going west since the only other bridge across the lake is a smaller bridge you have to go through Rockwall to get to, or go completely around the lake.

    I live in Rockwall and work in Greenville, and after I got to work, a wreck in Royse City (in between), and completely shut down I-30 (west bound until tomorrow, east bound until this evening). About 1/3 of the company lives west of here, and we’re all trying to find alternate routes home. Some people are going to learn about routes that they never thought existed.

    ETA: The one county road that runs parallel to the highway is one lane each direction. It will be packed, especially since it runs through the mentioned Royse City.

  29. 29.

    WereBear

    January 10, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Love that one!

  30. 30.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 10, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    @Cacti: Christie said he was an athlete and Wildstein was a mathlete and never the twain shall meet.

  31. 31.

    drkrick

    January 10, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    @Jebediah, RBG: There are about two dozen of them out at this point, everything from Pickin’ on The Beatles to Pickin’ on Widespread Panic to Pickin’ on Santana(?!?). Some of them seem like better ideas than others, but since they probably represent about three hours of recording time each I’m sure it’s a money maker.

  32. 32.

    GregB

    January 10, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    I am more than a little creeped out by the graphic of Doctor Oz massaging some woman’s CGI front butt.

  33. 33.

    Calming influence

    January 10, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    @Slugger: @Belafon:

    “In Garland, TX, this morning, 0 visibility fog cause a pileup on I-30 with 6 18-wheelers and 7 cars, resulting in a fuel spill and potential damage to the bridge crossing Lake Ray Hubbard.”

    That’s because fat Algore.

  34. 34.

    Trollhattan

    January 10, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    @Suffern ACE:

    GWB=-George Washington Bridge and George W Bush.

    Coincidence? I think not!

    At this point, Christie is like that man-killing orca Sea World keeps using in the shows. Want to pretend he’s not going to do the same thing, again? Okay, then you get into the pool.

  35. 35.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Ahhh, the benefits of clean coal.

  36. 36.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 10, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Well the “mathlete” part makes sense if you’re conducting traffic surveys on the GWB.

  37. 37.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Please, please, please! I need the release! The Release!!!

  38. 38.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    ma ma ma ma…My Baroni!

  39. 39.

    Paul in KY

    January 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Christie was on the HS eating team? Or was it bowling?

  40. 40.

    ranchandsyrup

    January 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    @Corner Stone: Leak came from a tank owned and operated by Freedom Industries.

  41. 41.

    Trollhattan

    January 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Well, yes, because this awesome use of governatoring revenge power erases a lot of the cooties he gathered hugging president blah man just a year ago. Maybe he IS one of them, after all.

  42. 42.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    MSNBC is really pushing TRMS theory hard core.

  43. 43.

    Trollhattan

    January 10, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    @Paul in KY:

    It’s a head-scratcher. Curling? Golf? Pool? Shotput performed with canned hams?

  44. 44.

    schrodinger's cat

    January 10, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    @WereBear: Thanks! I love the kitteh expressions. BTW BJ has already fallen to the Maine Coon, a cousin of the Viking Kittehs.

  45. 45.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    The Weinberg interview on Andrea Mitchell is now on her MSNBC page.

  46. 46.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    @ranchandsyrup: The Hand of The Free Market strikes again!

  47. 47.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Somebody should do a photoshop of Christie as Gandalf standing on the GWB and shouting, “You Shall Not Pass!!”

  48. 48.

    ranchandsyrup

    January 10, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    @Corner Stone: They can take West Virginians’ lives but they’ll never take away their Freedom, Inc.

    Like if William Wallace wore a coon skin cap.

  49. 49.

    beltane

    January 10, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    @ranchandsyrup: Freedom isn’t free!

  50. 50.

    The Pale Scot

    January 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    @Valdivia: Find the interview Here

    Be patient, MSNBC = MS = crappy media loading on the website.

  51. 51.

    Mike E

    January 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    @Corner Stone: It’s like the Villagers’ palpable disappointment in diplomatic efforts in Syria vs. bombing the shit out of them; epic (& expensive) graphics can’t pay for themselves when there is no war coverage to drive up advertising revenue…

  52. 52.

    Trollhattan

    January 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Or, the Black Knight with no arms or legs.

    “I’m invincible!
    “You’re a looney.”
    “Have at you!”
    “What, are you going to bleed on me?”

  53. 53.

    Stacy

    January 10, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    @Corner Stone: Loved it.

  54. 54.

    Hilfy

    January 10, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    Is the poisoned water in part of WV affecting Cole and the piglets? Does anyone know?

  55. 55.

    Comrade Mary

    January 10, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Oh, you guys are where Toronto was last Halloween where we were waiting for our first chunk of IPOs. Cherish these moments of anticipation, and may your payout be bigger than ours.

  56. 56.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 10, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Hilarious. From Weigel:

    I was put off by the way the president closed the meeting. To his very closest advisers, he said, “For the record, and for those of you writing your memoirs, I am not making any decisions about Israel or Iran. Joe, you be my witness.” I was offended by his suspicion that any of us would ever write about such sensitive matters.

    …Gates wrote, in his memoir.

  57. 57.

    schrodinger's cat

    January 10, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Tender fee-fees are tender.

  58. 58.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 10, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Your top two appointees resign and you don’t ask them why?

    I’ll have to find that and see it, this is exactly what I’ve been thinking, what the hell? If he meant to allay suspicion that he was involved by saying “I didn’t want to know why she did it, I didn’t ask her” he accomplished precisely the opposite.

  59. 59.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: “I was offended by his suspicion that any of us would ever write about such sensitive matters.”
    /he noted in his small journal tentatively titled “My Memoirs of Sensitive Shit”

  60. 60.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 10, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Well and also a lack of even the most rudimentary self-awareness, apparently.

    “How dare the President suggest that I would ever do what I’m doing at this very moment!”

    @Corner Stone: zacktly.

  61. 61.

    sparrow

    January 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    @Slugger: And you can still thank the Greeks for that outcome.

  62. 62.

    Belafon

    January 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: That’s going to make me laugh the rest of the day.

  63. 63.

    Fester Addams

    January 10, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    @Trollhattan: That is a brilliant analogy.

  64. 64.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    If Gates were on twitter he’d hashtag #ShitObamaSays

  65. 65.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 10, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    @Hilfy:

    Does anyone know?

    Does anyone really care?

  66. 66.

    Violet

    January 10, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    @Hilfy: The WV contaminated water problem is near Charleston, which is in the southern part of the state. I checked out all the counties affected last night because I used to work near there. Cole lives in the northern part of the state, not too far from Pittsburgh. So he’s probably not affected by this water issue.

  67. 67.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 10, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Typical Chicago-style politics. I mean, comment.

  68. 68.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    January 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    there’s also this. These creeps are so fucking loathesome that there just aren’t words that get it across. “Fucking loathesome” only gets you to within about 100 miles of their true awfulness. I’ve said this before many times, about many such creeps, but I don’t understand how these people can live with themselves.

  69. 69.

    Gene108

    January 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    What to do with all the NJ Dems, who endorsed Christie in 2013?

    How to purge them from NJ politics?

  70. 70.

    scav

    January 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    Anybody else thinking of that poor woman, Grandma Millie who, after paying all that money for sweet electricit, is probably still out waiting to pick up her grandkids after their school bus ride?

    There’s just a certain flavor of smug sickishness that permeates certain environments.

  71. 71.

    slippytoad

    January 10, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    First thing at the convenience store this morning: newspaper headline, Christie’s face with the caption “I am not a bully.”

    Now, I don’t know about the rest of you folks, but the very physical appearance of Chris Christie screams “insecure blowhard bully.” I looked in my dictionary and the picture next to “Asshole Bully” was in fact his.

    I just am enjoying the fact that all the hateful crap GOPers have been doing for so long has become socially unacceptable, and they’re fighting with that very idea, while simultaneously blaring a self-deluding myth of superiority that, on a daily basis, becomes laughable.

    These little tiny-minded, hateful and childish people have finally run out of facade to hide behind.

  72. 72.

    Calming influence

    January 10, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    @Corner Stone: A more direct link: http://on.msnbc.com/JNK6oD

  73. 73.

    Violet

    January 10, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    So more people claim to be Independent but that label just seems to be a cover because they didn’t want to admit they were Republicans or Democrats. Now there’s date to back it up. These guys did a study on it, testing people’s views:

    This just a portion of our findings regarding the extent to which people prefer “independence” – but equally important is what we don’t find. What we don’t find is any change in people’s actual political views. Even while reporting that they are independent, respondents repeatedly clung to the partisan issue positions they had held all along. Indeed, when we asked people to place themselves on either the Republican or Democratic side of a series of issues, they were not only consistent in which side they picked across all the issues, but reminding them of partisan disagreement had no effect.

    We, of course, cannot speak for every individual who identifies as independent. Certainly, there are many people who may be truly independent from either party and who may behave in the ways we might expect true independents to behave. But our work points to the idea that “independent” has become a socially desirable label – one that conveys a sense of rising above the political pettiness in American politics. And even as more and more people call themselves “independent,” it is difficult to argue that they are actually moving away from their underlying partisan identities.

  74. 74.

    scav

    January 10, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    @scav: oh, and FYWP? I typed and meant dickishness, Dickishness, DICKISHNESS so stop going all mealy mouthed and pious on me.

  75. 75.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    @Calming influence: Oh, I’m already blitzed out and can’t take any more Weinberg action. If I watch that again I may ask her for her hand in marriage. Or at least carnal bliss.

  76. 76.

    Violet

    January 10, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    CNN saying the documents have been released.

  77. 77.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 10, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    New Yawkhah Cover

  78. 78.

    Elizabelle

    January 10, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    @Violet:

    The emails have landed.

    Out on some errands. Back for the dirt later.

    ETA: Friday Document Drop! It’s like the good times of the GW Bush Administration. Oh.

  79. 79.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 10, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    @Corner Stone: Did you ever find us a link?

  80. 80.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 10, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Found this.

  81. 81.

    Comrade Mary

    January 10, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    So the Daily News wasn’t all that impressed by the press conference yesterday. Huh.

    New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s one-hour-and-forty-seven-minute self-serving, self-pitying display of contrition on Thursday was a climactic act in a brazen cover-up that threatens to further unravel his political career.

    Ever so thoroughly the governor scoured the thesaurus for words of apology, regret and painless self-flagellation while nervily playing the victim and mercilessly destroying the aide who played only a supporting role for the George Washington Bridge political revenge plot….

  82. 82.

    GregB

    January 10, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    @scav:

    I am also reminded of the troglodytes that Jack Abramoff so grossly dismissed when referring to Native Americans.

    It seems to be a thread that runs deep with these political types.

  83. 83.

    bemused

    January 10, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    Most people including me are astonished that Christie and/or his minions created this huge mess for some obscure, petty retribution reason and feel there must be some other more clear goal in their minds. I am beginning to think that maybe these people and a whole lot of other Republicans have become so invested in a scorched earth obsessive fantasy, they completely lost their shit.

  84. 84.

    Comrade Mary

    January 10, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Awesome. She was asked one question and then spent over 4 straight minutes — uninterrupted — destroying him. I think she was asked a second question and just kept going after that, too. Wow.

  85. 85.

    scav

    January 10, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    To fill the small gap as email is scoured, OT break, look who else is blessing their stars that there’s a big event on this Friday? Le Target. 70-140 million customers affected, one didn’t have to shop there during the time-frame to be impacted, other personal information was taken, and the infos already out on the alternative market. NYT version and ChiTrib.

  86. 86.

    shortstop

    January 10, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    At this point, Christie is like that man-killing orca Sea World keeps using in the shows. Want to pretend he’s not going to do the same thing, again? Okay, then you get into the pool.

    I am so stealing that.

    @scav: But is sickishness really so wrong?

  87. 87.

    Violet

    January 10, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    CNN has some journalist with a NJ paper on right now. The female host asked him a question about something and he responded, “Nothing Christie says here has much credibility.” Bwahahaha!

  88. 88.

    Spankyslappybottom

    January 10, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    Re Maddow’s hypothesis about why Christie & Co did this: I found it VERY suspicious that Christie yesterday went way out of his way to push the Ft. Lee angle.

  89. 89.

    muricafukyea

    January 10, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    Yay, Ad Block Plus is blocking all the ads on this site again including that annoying as fuck Newsmax headline ad.

  90. 90.

    Paul in KY

    January 10, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    @Trollhattan: The hamput! (not at all like hiding the bacon).

  91. 91.

    WereBear

    January 10, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    @scav: one didn’t have to shop there during the time-frame to be impacted

    Crap!

    Fortunately, I only shopped there with a Target card which has long since been canceled.

  92. 92.

    Bill Arnold

    January 10, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    @Slugger:

    “global” means more than the football field in Green Bay

    Heatwave in Argentina
    Heatwave in Australia
    I know the southern hemisphere doesn’t count (unless icebreakers are stuck) because the constellation Orion is upside down among other silly reasons, but still, it’s something to consider.

  93. 93.

    slippytoad

    January 10, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    @Violet:

    I long ago made the observation that 99% of the “independents” who showed up in my neck of the Internet were Republicans suffering from embarrassment and butthurt after losing an election.

    They were so over-the-top conservative and over-the-top fee-fee sensitive about being called a Republican, or being specifically identified as sharing a view with conservatives, I often would just laugh in their faces and say “really, really who do you think you are kidding here?”

    I don’t know any former Democrats who now call themselves “independent.” I do see a lot of conservative phonies who start with this kind of construction: “I’ve been a loyal lifelong Democrat” which is not how liberals talk because political loyalty is not a value we share much, followed by some obviously-conservative observation that is meant to be a devastating self-criticism of liberalism. Which is actually almost always weak sauce and a bucket of worthless piss.

    Bottom line: “Independent” means “Embarrassed refugee from Republican Party” to me.

  94. 94.

    NonyNony

    January 10, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    @Violet:

    So more people claim to be Independent but that label just seems to be a cover because they didn’t want to admit they were Republicans or Democrats. Now there’s date to back it up.

    That is unsurprising. Being a Republican or a Democrat means more than just that you hold certain opinions – it also means that you belong to a group. When you belong to a group in the modern day 21st century USA, your membership seems to mean that you condone everything done by that group. If you don’t, then your choices are to work hard to change the group from within, quit the group, or live with having to defend the good things Y the group does in the face of people asking you how you can be a part of a group that supports and condones X.

    As an analogy – I know a lot of former Catholics who have left the Catholic church not because of crises of faith or because they object to church doctrine, but because of how the Church has handled child abuse cases. These folks haven’t stopped believing the things they believed before, they just refuse to belong to the Church as an organization.

    I know a lot of Democratic voters like that as well – vote straight ticket Dem every election, but will balk if you call them a Democrat because they can’t support everything the Democratic Party does. And these days I know a lot of Republicans like that too. (I’m a Democrat and I hate the Democratic Party too – honestly, though, I think it’s part of the Democratic group identity to hate the Party and how it functions … or how it refuses to function in the case of the Ohio Democratic Party…)

  95. 95.

    scav

    January 10, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    @shortstop: Nope, sickishness works too, but I wanted a little more zing in this particular rant. Rather a stone ground v. yellow mustard sort of decision: All depends on the exact sandwich, sides and mood

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    Paul in KY

    January 10, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Could have been a worse cover, IMO.

  97. 97.

    Cassidy

    January 10, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    PSA: If you’re into Hong Kong action movies and open world video games, Sleeping Dogs is free on Xbox Live if you have a gold account.

  98. 98.

    Poopyman

    January 10, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Since it’s an OT, this warms the cockles of my heart:

    Steelers fan seeks injunction, says Chargers shouldn’t be in postseason

    PITTSBURGH —A Pittsburgh Steelers fan is apparently so upset over the black and gold not making the playoffs that he’s taking the issue to court.

    On Dec. 29, referees failed to call an illegal alignment formation on the San Diego Chargers that would have allowed the Kansas City Chiefs another chance to kick a game-winning field goal.

    But that’s not the cockle-warming part, this is:

    Despite the filing, it seems unlikely that Spuck’s motion will move forward. Court records show that it was filed via inmate mail from the state prison in Mercer, Pa., and that Spuck hasn’t submitted a filing fee.

    In 1996, Spuck was convicted of third-degree murder and reckless endangerment and was sentenced to 11 to 22 years, according to court records.

    Stand behind Daniel Spuck as he fights for the Stillers’ playoff hopes! Because really, standing in front of this guy would just be stupid.

  99. 99.

    slippytoad

    January 10, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    @bemused:

    Most people including me are astonished that Christie and/or his minions created this huge mess for some obscure, petty retribution reason

    I’ve been aware of this very unsavory aspect of Republicanism (and it seems to be 99% Republicanism, not a problem both parties have) for only a little while, but it does explain a lot about how they act.

    The kind of person who self-selects for Republicanism clearly believes that they are 1. In charge. 2. Not to be questioned. 3. Lord God Himself.

    This explains much of their arrogant, asshole attitude regarding guns, religion, and indeed almost everything I have a problem with Republicans about. Such as their idea that this isn’t really a democracy, my vote only counts if they say it does, and so on.

    But, the point is these are very, very VERY insecure people who feel they must be constantly validated by everyone around them. I don’t know about y’all but “insecure and needing constant Mommying” is not my definition of the personality type I desire in a leader.

    I would have been surprised, 10 years ago, to see this happen. After watching the god-awful shitwreck that was the Bush administration, and the number of foot-in-mouth blowups that happened because Bush was a pissant bully and surrounded himself with pissant bullies, I had gotten to the point where expecting a Republican to act like a little pissant who has gotten way too big for his britches, is just natural.

    These people want that personality type, they usually ARE that personality type, and furthermore they feel 100% entitled to be that personality type, even after they’ve been repeatedly told no, that is now how adults act.

    I don’t know what we as a society can do but I’ve got to tell you I’m so sick of the little pissants of this world. I can’t think of a thing that aggravates me more than these mediocre, small men and women who don’t know their place in this world — and think it is to lord it over the rest of us.

  100. 100.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Love!

  101. 101.

    Poopyman

    January 10, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    By the way, does any network have a Junior White House Correspondent? because otherwise, being called Senior White House Correspondent would just be unnecessary and narcissistic.

    And we know the networks would never do that.

  102. 102.

    Trollhattan

    January 10, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    @Poopyman:

    Definitely one of the best TDS riffs–every correspondent is “senior.”

  103. 103.

    Suffern ACE

    January 10, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    @Poopyman: The promotion schedule is as follows:

    White House Correspondent
    Senior White House Correspondent
    Supervising Senior White House Correspondent
    White House Analyst
    Senior White House Analyst
    Supervising Senior White House Senior Analyst
    Weekend Replacement Anchor

  104. 104.

    Gravenstone

    January 10, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    @Slugger: In yesterdays Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the first LTE was a smug little two line ditty about how this cold snap totally disproved global warming. The next two LTE just happened to be long, thoughtful explanations about the difference between weather and climate, and how the polar vortex is totally consistent with current understanding of global climate change. I was frankly impressed that the editorial staff basically set Cletus T. Bumfuck up like that so the other writers could conveniently kick straigh through the uprights.

  105. 105.

    Bobby Thomson

    January 10, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    TPM has the docs. They support the “Yes, there was a study, but the Governor’s people gloated about the inconvenience to Fort Lee and the Mayor” explanation.

  106. 106.

    bemused

    January 10, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    @slippytoad:

    When people take such heavy risks, totally ignore the ramifications or the thoughts they may have to pay for their actions and pay big down the line for minor gratifications, that is obsession in my book. Pissants with big psychological issues.

  107. 107.

    Gindy51

    January 10, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    @Bill Arnold: It is so hot in Oz that bats are literally falling from the sky to die.
    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/533510/20140109/bats-drop-dead-australia-heat-wave-queensland.htm#.UtBZh7TfUjc

  108. 108.

    burnspbesq

    January 10, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    @bemused:

    Most people including me are astonished that Christie and/or his minions created this huge mess for some obscure, petty retribution reason and feel there must be some other more clear goal in their minds. I am beginning to think that maybe these people and a whole lot of other Republicans have become so invested in a scorched earth obsessive fantasy, they completely lost their shit.

    That, pretty much. There is no rational explanation for this.

  109. 109.

    Richard Fox

    January 10, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    I’m trying to decide if this is akin to “Night of the Long Knives” or the 8th Thermidor, year II. Since I rather liked Robespierre (in spots at least) I’ll go with that. Besides I DON’T like Godwin, so I’ll (neatly) avoid any reference to who know who..

  110. 110.

    Amir Khalid

    January 10, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    @Poopyman:
    @Trollhattan:
    I reckon the title should be parsed as “reporter on the White House beat with the rank of senior correspondent”. You have to be quite senior to be assigned the White House beat, so there are no plain old “White House correspondents”. Also, you don’t want to be a “junior” correspondent to anything, because it makes people think of you as Jimmy Olsen.

  111. 111.

    Gindy51

    January 10, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    @slippytoad: I’ve always said I am Independent. It means I don’t have the ease of just voting for a D or R. I have to THINK about who I vote for. In all the years I have voted, since 1972, I have not once voted for a Republican because according to my research on the candidate, they do not represent how I think the world should be nor do they give a crap about me as a middle class person.

  112. 112.

    Trollhattan

    January 10, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    @Gindy51:

    Wow, that’s horrible. I’ll guess you’re headed for a wildfire season to match that heat. Good luck!

    More locally, we skirted the cold snap entirely, thanks, but at some continued cost.

    http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/clark/more-on-the-drought-the-numbers-are-frightening/21798188

  113. 113.

    burnspbesq

    January 10, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    Presented without comment, because all three of my sisters went to the same high school as this fine upstanding public servant and there is nothing I can say about that that won’t get me in trouble at the next family gathering.

    http://www.northjersey.com/columnists/Kelly_Image_of_former_Christie_aide_Bridget_Anne_Kelly_doesnt_fit_resume.html

  114. 114.

    Trollhattan

    January 10, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Jeff Gannon is on line 3.

  115. 115.

    Poopyman

    January 10, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    @Amir Khalid: You just gave Jimmy-Jeff Guckert-Gannon a happy.

  116. 116.

    Ruckus

    January 10, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    @scav:
    I’m considering legal action as I’m one of the people affected. Was it incompetence? Was it stupidity? Not sure I give a crap which. My bank had to block my card and left me stranded with not enough cash in my pocket and no card to purchase food or gas.

  117. 117.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    @Bobby Thomson:

    Yes, though it is funny that everyone referred to the “test” in quotation marks throughout those emails.

    And apparently it was “hasty” and “ill-conceived,” as Foye said in his letter telling them to knock it the fuck off. The word “unprecedented” may have appeared in there too (I just skimmed, need to re-read). Locals weren’t notified. It looks pretty thrown together. In other words, not a genuine, necessary test or study and done with very little advance planning and no coordination. Weird.

    Now I see a (possible) political rationale for the closure, though: “See how it hurts when we cut off your access to toll lanes for a couple of days? Imagine how you’ll like it when we do that permanently. We’ll can manufacture a reason. Play ball or else.”

    /wild speculation

  118. 118.

    LanceThruster

    January 10, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    @Slugger:

    Was sagst du?

  119. 119.

    Cervantes

    January 10, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    @Corner Stone: Not to mention Christie’s private call to Cuomo a while ago, asking him to rein in the Port Authority’s investigation.

    Did she mention that?

  120. 120.

    LanceThruster

    January 10, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    At least Caribou Barbie never impeded her Bridge to Nowhere in an act of political retaliation.

    Bible Spice ams gots some integrity!

  121. 121.

    Cervantes

    January 10, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Not sure about athletes and mathletes but Christie was in law school with that mayor of Fort Lee. (They were a year apart.)

  122. 122.

    catclub

    January 10, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    @kc: Also, I realized all the references to DW were to David Wildstein.

  123. 123.

    Gravenstone

    January 10, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    @kc: I realize those out here in the hinterlands of flyover country aren’t as “enlightened” as the East Coasters. That said, our DoT typically announces major changes and things that will impact large numbers of drivers (such as flow tests) weeks, if not months in advance. Is it any wonder then, that the GWB “test” seemed rather hasty and ill executed?

  124. 124.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    @Gravenstone:

    They do the same in SC, and that is one of the most striking things about this. Patrick Foye sounds furious about the lack of notice in his email shutting it down.

  125. 125.

    feebog

    January 10, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    So it only took a month from Kelly’s email to Wildstein to concoct a bogus “study” and implement the retaliatory strike. What is curious to me is that a lot of midlevel type managers seemed to buy into this “study” without asking a lot of questions. I know the Port Authority is a big organization and I know that most of these guys were simply following instructions, but you would think that someone might have been a tad more curious. Just through the first few hundred pages posted at TPM, maybe something else will show up.

  126. 126.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Patrick Foye was pissed!

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pat-foye-bridge-illegal

  127. 127.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    @feebog:

    you would think that someone might have been a tad more curious

    I wonder if someone wasn’t more curious, and perhaps suspicious, and leaked to the WSJ that the thing was highly irregular.

  128. 128.

    Violet

    January 10, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    @kc:

    a lot of midlevel type managers

    Somehow I read that as “medieval managers.” Heh.

  129. 129.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    @kc: I think the most awesome thing about that email is he sent one email, one time, after a few phone calls. And the lanes were opened again.
    Yet the fucking governor couldn’t be bothered to even call one person to ask, WTF?
    That should put Christie in the hard place.

  130. 130.

    schrodinger's cat

    January 10, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    @kc: Thanks!

  131. 131.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Foye sounds like a bad ass.

  132. 132.

    Jay C

    January 10, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    @Gene108:

    What to do with all the NJ Dems, who endorsed Christie in 2013?

    How to purge them from NJ politics?

    Kinda hard: NJ is one of those states where “machine politics” rules the place a little more so than elsewhere: supposedly, Big Chris was so obsessed with not just winning re-election, but winning by a landslide, that he based his campaign on a two-front strategy: one was to play up his post-Sandy heroics and pump his resultant “popularity” by a barrage of storm-related feel-good ads; the other was (more in keeping with Jersey politics) to work under-the-table deals with various Dem bosses: he wouldn’t mess with their pet projects or patronage; they’d jump on the Christie bandwagon, and make sure the opposition was poorly-supported.

    It worked – but if Christie’s personal “popularity” takes a hit (and the Bridgeghazi shit is certainly chipping away at it), the Dems will probably scuttle away from him like medieval villagers when the lepers came to town: once his facade is shattered,and he’s shown to be the blowhard bully he is, he won’t have much leverage left save maybe a veto or two. And maybe not even that: once Christie’s dictatorial dickishness becomes the common meme, standing up to him can only made opposing pols look better by comparison.

  133. 133.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Imagine those phone calls. “What the FUCK are you doing? WHO authorized this?”

  134. 134.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    @kc: “You fucking FUCK! I’m gonna find you and rip your G-D BALLS OFF! You freakin’ make me look bad? No, now I’m gonna make you look DEAD!”

  135. 135.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    “I got your head in a fuckin’ vise. I’ll squash your head like a fuckin’ grapefruit if you don’t give me a name!”

  136. 136.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    @kc:

    Then again, maybe not. That’s just how I imagine everyone in New Jersey and New York talks . . .

  137. 137.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    “Hey Bobbie, how about this? You open those *bleeepin* *bleep* lanes and then I won’t have to *bleep* your *bleepin* *bleep* *BLEEEP* tomorrow when I *bleepin* find you. How’s that *bleeeeepin* sound you *bleep* bleep* *BLEEEEEEP*!? Yeah, nice *bleepin* day to you too, you *bleep*. Love to the wife and kids, eh?”

  138. 138.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    The TNT version!

  139. 139.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    @kc:

    “Open those monkey-lovin lanes or I’ll crawl all up your melon-humpin’ butt and forget you like you never been forgot!”

    “Forget you!”

    “Forget me? Forget ME? No, forget YOU, mountain-climber!”

  140. 140.

    Betsy

    January 10, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    @Hilfy: probably, in the form of licorice farts

  141. 141.

    Bobby Thomson

    January 10, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    @kc: That explanation makes a lot more sense. A lot more sense.

  142. 142.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    Ha! What a bunch of cocks. And not the good kind of Cocks.
    “Robert Durando, the manager of the George Washington Bridge, received an email on Sept. 9, the first day of the lane closings, about a customer’s complaint that the Port Authority “doesn’t care about their customers and they are playing God with people’s jobs.”

    The woman said her husband was 40 minutes late to a job that he had just gotten after being out of work for over a year.”

  143. 143.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Inspector Darcy Licorish of the Port Authority Police Department

    That has to be a pen name.

  144. 144.

    Corner Stone

    January 10, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    “By eliminating two of the toll lanes” dedicated to local traffic, “this traffic was forced to queue on local streets.”

    Sonovabitch. Hoocoodanode?

  145. 145.

    gogol's wife

    January 10, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Wasn’t he the hero of Pride and Prejudice?

  146. 146.

    kc

    January 10, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    @kc:

    Never mind, looks like some WSJ editors just got stuck in traffic and then started following up on some NJ newspaper stories . . .

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