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Open Thread: Mistakes Were Made!

by Anne Laurie|  January 15, 201412:47 am| 69 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Venality, Assholes, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All

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"Mistakes were made" has its own wikipedia page. Includes a list of uses going back to Ulysses S. Grant. http://t.co/qviHEG3eqs

— Andrew Grossman (@A_Grossman) January 14, 2014

ETA: This is gonna leave a mark…

George Packer, in the New Yorker:

… [W]hy do I keep having flashbacks to 1972? Some of the parallels are weirdly exact. Whether or not he ordered the Watergate bugging, Richard Nixon ran a campaign of dirty tricks for two reasons: he wanted to run up the score going into his second term, and he was a supremely mean-spirited man. Nixon’s reëlection campaign reached out to as many Democrats as possible (not just elected officials but rank-and-file blue-collar workers and Catholics). Nixon ran not as the Republican Party’s leader but, in the words of his bumper sticker, as just “President Nixon.” His landslide win over George McGovern translated into no Republican advantage in congressional races—the Democrats more than held their own. The Washington Post’s David Broder later called it “an extraordinarily selfish victory.”

Christie’s 2013 reëlection tracks closely with this story: an all-out effort to court Democrats in order to maximize his personal power, and a landslide victory in November, with all the benefit going to the Governor, not to his fellow-Republicans in the state legislature. On Christmas, the Times published a piece about Christie’s long record of bullying and retribution. In it, the Fort Lee traffic jam was mentioned as just one of many cases (and, I have to admit, not the one that stayed with me) of vengefulness so petty that it inescapably called to mind the American President who incarnated that quality, and was brought down by it….

It took months and months for “Watergate” to explode from a ‘two-bit burglary’ to ‘what did the President know, and when did he know it?’ but of course communications technology was much more primitive back in that dead century…

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69Comments

  1. 1.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 12:51 am

    can we still annoy omnes?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ij_iTQt2w

  2. 2.

    mclaren

    January 15, 2014 at 1:01 am

    Nixon’s reëlection campaign…

    Only the fucking New Yorker would use a dieresis in a word like “re-election.”

  3. 3.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 15, 2014 at 1:02 am

    @Little Boots: Okay this cracked me up. I was just about to say that I had the weirdest thought listening to that old video, which was that Gordon Lightfoot’s singing style had something in common with Bullwinkle, of Moose and Squirrel fame. Not that Lightfoot is so terrible, it just suddenly struck me that there was an odd voice resemblance.

    Then I Googled it and it turns out someone did a whole thing based on that. So, not just me apparently.

  4. 4.

    Jennifer

    January 15, 2014 at 1:03 am

    Best illustration for the phrase ever: Mistakes were made.

  5. 5.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:03 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    it is what it is.

  6. 6.

    MikeJ

    January 15, 2014 at 1:04 am

    Eventually, when it got bad enough, even Howard Baker and a few other Republicans felt too much shame in attempting to defend Nixon. I don’t think modern Republicans have one decent person’s ration of shame between everybody in the whole party.

  7. 7.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 15, 2014 at 1:05 am

    @Little Boots: Can you sing that phrase?

  8. 8.

    Steeplejack

    January 15, 2014 at 1:07 am

    @mclaren:

    It happens to be correct.

  9. 9.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:08 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    much as I’d love to, no.

  10. 10.

    eataTREE

    January 15, 2014 at 1:09 am

    @mclaren: Reëlection opened for Mötley Crüe back in the ’80s, right?

  11. 11.

    Jennifer

    January 15, 2014 at 1:10 am

    @MikeJ: I have this theory that what is mostly wrong with the world derives from an unfair and baseless distribution of the burden of shame, where the many who have nothing feel crushing shame for their condition despite being in most cases entirely innocent of causing their own economic misery, while the few who have everything and more than they could ever need and whose rapaciousness is in large part responsible for the economic misery of countless others and who SHOULD feel a great deal of shame, feel none at all.

    Shamelessness is a requirement for those enjoying the fruits of a grossly unequal system.

  12. 12.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 15, 2014 at 1:12 am

    @eataTREE: I always though dieresis meant a journal kept by a monkey.

  13. 13.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:14 am

    so fine. can we with the gordon?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8rR7E6NfY4

  14. 14.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:14 am

    and can we blame omnes?

  15. 15.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 15, 2014 at 1:15 am

    @Steeplejack: Like he cares. as long as it provides fodder for a bizarre rant, mcl gives no shit.

  16. 16.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 15, 2014 at 1:16 am

    @Little Boots: That is a really good song.

  17. 17.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:17 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    are you angry?

  18. 18.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:18 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    finally.

    you have been so obnoxiious about everything.

  19. 19.

    srv

    January 15, 2014 at 1:20 am

    Löön-Juicers, missing that there was no smoking gun in 1000s of pages of emails, desperately seek to equate Wätergate with Bridgeghäzi.

    Fortunately, the people of Nöö Jursee know and embrace their fat man.

  20. 20.

    Steeplejack

    January 15, 2014 at 1:21 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I just find it interesting that the person who is usually flaying us for being stupid, sloppy herd animals with no intellectual standards suddenly burps up a particle of pure yahoo resentment.

  21. 21.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:22 am

    you know what we need. we seriously need bee gees.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY

  22. 22.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:23 am

    and I need to stop picking on omnes.

  23. 23.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 15, 2014 at 1:24 am

    @Little Boots: mclaren once accused me of masturbating to holocaust porn because I asked whether the conditions under which Bradley Manning was held was due to his political status or due to the conditions of military prisons in general. In neither case did I intend to imply that I approved of what was happening.

  24. 24.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    January 15, 2014 at 1:25 am

    @Little Boots: Wait, and it’s mclaren who’s trolling?

    Just kidding.

    Okay before I get sucked into the quickly forming quicksand of the 70s I’m exiting stage right …or left, even.

  25. 25.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:26 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    you know I love you, buddy. you know that, right?

    and people on these here internets are crazy.

  26. 26.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:28 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    oh, just post 70s. it’s fun. it is.

  27. 27.

    Omnes Omnibus

    January 15, 2014 at 1:29 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Dude, a stage dive might even work right about now.

  28. 28.

    mdblanche

    January 15, 2014 at 1:30 am

    @Steeplejack: But only Eustace Tilley is enough of a dandy to still insist on using it.

  29. 29.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:30 am

    can we, with the seventies:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ihs-vT9T3Q

  30. 30.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:34 am

    or this thing. don’t yell, omnes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ihs-vT9T3Q

  31. 31.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 15, 2014 at 1:39 am

    @Jennifer:

    “I’d give it all up…for just a little bit more.” — C. Montgomery Burns

  32. 32.

    Steeplejack

    January 15, 2014 at 1:41 am

    @mdblanche:

    I still use it. Re-election, co-operation, etc., were artifacts of a time when typewriters and newspaper typesetting systems didn’t have the “special” characters available. Now that we have them, why not use them? At the very least, why criticize someone for using them? It smacks of that strain of “Fuck you, nerds! Hyuk, hyuk!” anti-intellectualism and resentment of excellence.

  33. 33.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:41 am

    omnes, where the hell are you?

  34. 34.

    Little Boots

    January 15, 2014 at 1:42 am

    @Little Boots:

    miss you, omnes.

  35. 35.

    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)

    January 15, 2014 at 1:43 am

    Shit. Eusebio died and no one told me.

  36. 36.

    srv

    January 15, 2014 at 1:53 am

    Bobo Goes Oakeshott!

    Schools are good at transmitting what the philosopher Michael Oakeshott called technical knowledge.

    We should call these Bobogasms.

  37. 37.

    mdblanche

    January 15, 2014 at 2:07 am

    @Steeplejack: I think a lot of it is just how rare they’ve become. It was years before I learned they were a real thing and not just something the New Yorker had made up to look different.

  38. 38.

    wasabi gasp

    January 15, 2014 at 2:44 am

    Micro Audio Waves – Uncanny Dolls

  39. 39.

    Yatsuno

    January 15, 2014 at 2:45 am

    @srv: Not. Getting. Out. Of. The. Boat.

  40. 40.

    PurpleGirl

    January 15, 2014 at 2:47 am

    OMG! LOL!! ROTFL!!!

    I’m glad I decided to turn the computer back on. That Springsteen/Fallon duo is fantastic. The Jersey Whale has always wanted to meet Springsteen and attend a show and it is karmic that he’s now immortalized in a song by the king. (And it’s probably a tune that the Jersey Whale really loves to boot, that he thinks is an anthem for the working (Jersey) man.

  41. 41.

    wasabi gasp

    January 15, 2014 at 2:57 am

    The Books – Enjoy your worries, you may never have them again

  42. 42.

    ? Martin

    January 15, 2014 at 2:58 am

    @srv:

    We should call these Bobogasms.

    Yeah, let’s not call anything that.

  43. 43.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 15, 2014 at 3:08 am

    No kidding about that performance by The Boss leaving a mark.

    Ouch, ouch, ouch!

  44. 44.

    gene108

    January 15, 2014 at 3:17 am

    I signed up for Netflix. I have it streaming through my PS3 without a problem.

    I have a Macbook Pro (5 years old) lap top with the 10.6 version of OSX.

    I tried streaming on my lap top. It says to install a Silverlight plug-in. I do this. I close my browser per the instructions. Open it again and when I try to watch something and it keeps asking me to install Silverlight. I did this several times, but no luck.

    Anyone have any idea why I’m having this problem? It’s first time I’ve had any problem like it.

    I tried the same thing in both Firefox and Safari and got the same problem.

  45. 45.

    Yatsuno

    January 15, 2014 at 3:24 am

    @PurpleGirl: Ohmigawd Bruce is still fecking hawt. And that was pretty damn good.

    Anyone else notice he did a State of the State speech tonight? Apparently it was not his usual bluster and bluntness. It was shorter than his news conference, at least.

  46. 46.

    wasabi gasp

    January 15, 2014 at 3:28 am

    Juana Molina – Micael

  47. 47.

    wasabi gasp

    January 15, 2014 at 3:47 am

    Iva Bittová & Vladimír Václavek – Vzpomínka

  48. 48.

    Tommy

    January 15, 2014 at 4:59 am

    @gene108: Wish I could help but I am that strange dude that a few years ago did the reverse switch from a Mac (got my first one in 1987) to a Windows machine. I only stream Netflix through my PS3.

  49. 49.

    Tommy

    January 15, 2014 at 5:10 am

    @Jennifer: My parents have more money then they can spend in a lifetime. Not Bill Gates money, but millions and millions. One day that money will come to me. My moderate Republican parents are taking a lead from their hippie liberal son (that would be me) and are giving large sums away. I tell them I don’t need or maybe even want the money. I have everything I need.

    You mentioned shame and I totally understand. My parents have what we call a “last to die” insurance policy. It comes to me to pay the inheritance tax. I also get all their investment info. It is stunning. They can’t seem to lose money. When folks were losing their jobs. Their houses. The economy in a tailspin, they were making money. I’d look at my 401K and I have losing thousands of dollars a quarter, but they were making money.

    I’ve long felt, and I have proof, I can see it, that once you become rich, well it is hard to lose said money. Joe/Jane Smith that don’t have money, well they feel the pain 24/7. It is all kind of sad really.

  50. 50.

    NonyNony

    January 15, 2014 at 7:25 am

    Nixon’s reëlection campaign reached out to as many Democrats as possible (not just elected officials but rank-and-file blue-collar workers and Catholics). Nixon ran not as the Republican Party’s leader but, in the words of his bumper sticker, as just “President Nixon.” His landslide win over George McGovern translated into no Republican advantage in congressional races—the Democrats more than held their own. The Washington Post’s David Broder later called it “an extraordinarily selfish victory.”

    Interestingly, if Richard Nixon had been the “right kind of person” David Broder would have fawned over how statesmanlike his campaign was and how willing he was to put aside partisan politics and conduct his campaigns as a man reaching out to the great center of the nation to be a President for the whole country, not just the Republican Party.

    I will always contend that Nixon’s greatest failing in the eyes of the DC press corpse was that he was the “wrong kind of person”. Not that he was a meanspirited man willing to commit crimes to get what he wanted – the DC press has never really had a problem with ambitious politicians of the “right kind” – but that he didn’t come from the right family and wasn’t sufficiently glamorous enough to dazzle them with bullshit.

    Had Nixon’s father been a Senator or an Ambassador or some kind of tycoon instead of a guy who owned a single family-run grocery store in California, the word Watergate would still be used to refer only to a hotel and possibly a “salad”. He could still be just as much a criminal – hell he probably could have been even MORE of a crook – and nobody would have batted an eye because he would have thrown great parties and everyone would have owed a debt or two to his father.

  51. 51.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    January 15, 2014 at 7:25 am

    @gene108: Maybe try this? (Basically remove all vestiges of Silverlight and reinstall.)

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  52. 52.

    kc

    January 15, 2014 at 7:58 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    I thought it was a disease carried by monkeys.

  53. 53.

    Cervantes

    January 15, 2014 at 8:02 am

    @PurpleGirl:

    it is karmic that he’s now immortalized in a song by the king.

    Yes, and it was pretty funny, too. Thanks, Anne Laurie.

  54. 54.

    jayboat

    January 15, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Leave a mark??? Hell, that one is gonna sting all the way to the grave.

    Best public shaming of a loudmouth bully in my lifetime. Maybe forever.
    Shivved, joisey-style by his idol, and with audio.

    I don’t care what else happens- that fat turd won’t ever get over this.
    Paybacks are, indeed, a bitch. Especially if there’s music.

    I’m gonna be smiling all week. 8-]]]

  55. 55.

    Shortstop

    January 15, 2014 at 9:18 am

    That video is extremely funny. Springsteen never acceded to Christie’s pleas that they hang out after a show, right? This is the only direct attention Bruce has ever paid to him?

  56. 56.

    dr. luba

    January 15, 2014 at 9:21 am

    @gene108: I use 10.7 and it works, no problem. Maybe upgrade? I think your laptop should support it. (Well, maybe try this after deleting and re-installing.)

    I assume you’ve cleared the cache, dumped the Silverlight preferences and repaired permissions? Those are my first steps for any problem.

  57. 57.

    Splitting Image

    January 15, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Looks like I picked the right week to fill in the holes in my Springsteen collection.

  58. 58.

    Amir Khalid

    January 15, 2014 at 9:46 am

    @Shortstop:
    There was that post-Sandy thing, which was brought about by President Obama; he called Christie from Air Force One and put Bruuuuuuuuce* on the line. Christie got quite a bit of face time with Bruce during that thing.

    *I’ve been told that this is how one spells Mr Springsteen’s first name.

  59. 59.

    Amir Khalid

    January 15, 2014 at 10:04 am

    @Shortstop:
    I also found this post-Sandy video on YouTube.

  60. 60.

    shortstop

    January 15, 2014 at 11:08 am

    @Amir Khalid: Ah, thanks. So not the first notice Bruuuuuuuuuuce has deigned to take of his fanboi. Still, a smart slap across the face for the big guy.

  61. 61.

    Hurling Dervish

    January 15, 2014 at 11:39 am

    @Amir Khalid: @Amir Khalid: @Amir Khalid: Amir, I am pretty sure Bruce takes an umlaut.

  62. 62.

    Hurling Dervish

    January 15, 2014 at 11:39 am

    @Amir Khalid: @Amir Khalid: @Amir Khalid: Amir, I am pretty sure Bruce takes an umlaut.

  63. 63.

    Hurling Dervish

    January 15, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Amir, I am pretty sure Bruce takes an umlaut.

  64. 64.

    low-tech cyclist

    January 15, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Anne – with all due respect, the phrase from 1972-73 was “third-rate burglary,” not two-bit burglary.

  65. 65.

    low-tech cyclist

    January 15, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    @NonyNony:

    Interestingly, if Richard Nixon had been the “right kind of person” David Broder would have fawned over how statesmanlike his campaign was and how willing he was to put aside partisan politics and conduct his campaigns as a man reaching out to the great center of the nation to be a President for the whole country, not just the Republican Party.

    Broder did fawn over Nixon, almost right up to the end. Here he is, in the summer of 1974 – less than one month before “Nixon Resigns” – basically rooting for impeachment to fail and for Nixon’s opponents to get their asses kicked:

    [If impeachment fails, t]he President’s supporters in the country would cry vengeance against a Congress which spent the better part of two years not dealing with energy or inflation but harassing the President for no purpose. The President’s critics would no doubt take a vote against impeachment as a final proof of the craven cowardice of congressmen.
    .
    Instead of Republican candidates trying to escape the drag of Watergate and Richard Nixon, Democratic candidates would find themselves on the defensive about a 93rd Congress which did little but posture on impeachment for two year and then proved by its own votes that there was no need for the nation to have been subjected to that ordeal.
    .
    Resurgent Republicans, rallying around the vindicated President, would almost certainly regain the offensive, exploiting the predictable public reaction against the press and the Democratic Congress which had burdened the country with the Watergate-impeachment fiasco.

  66. 66.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 15, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    @low-tech cyclist:

    Broder’s rep was made in the Village with a leak from Nixon’s people about his veep pick.

    Broder was GOP trash from the beginning. The “Dean” was always a partisan dipshit. Always.

  67. 67.

    NonyNony

    January 15, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    @low-tech cyclist:

    Broder did fawn over Nixon, almost right up to the end.

    Jeebus. This now makes me wonder if he actually does have columns where he praises Nixon’s reelection strategy for being statesmanlike and above partisanship.

    I know you’re not supposed to speak ill of the dead, but Broder really was a scumbag, wasn’t he? I mean, he was no Bob Novak in the scumbaggery department, but still.

  68. 68.

    Cervantes

    January 15, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Do you recall his brightest idea, his most brilliant column ever? Instead of impeachment and so on, he suggested that the nation’s governors convene a special meeting at which they would collectively recommend a person to assume the Presidency until the 1976 election.

    My strong hunch is that if such a meeting were held, the Democrats who hold 31 of the 50 governorships would ignore partisanship in this time of crisis and recommend for the presidency, the most senior man in the ranks of governors, and the most broadly respected, Republican Nelson A. Rockefeller of New York.

    See, he just couldn’t help himself.

    Anyway, the idea was so patently absurd that it was, of course, praised and written into the Congressional Record — and by a Democrat from Wyoming (in fact, the last Wyoming Democrat elected to the House, and whose open seat was later won by Dick Cheney).

  69. 69.

    Ted and Hellen

    January 15, 2014 at 11:41 pm

    stupid

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