I know prison rape jokes aren’t funny and that it is a real crisis and tragedy and it needs to be stopped, but can we make an exception for this guy:
Hunter Moore, who has been called “the most hated man on the Internet” for his alleged operation and defense of a revenge porn website, was indicted Thursday by a federal grand jury, according to an official at the United States Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles.
Moore, 27, has claimed to be the operator of isanyoneup.com, a site that posted nude photos of people, many of whom say they did not consent to having their images appear on the Internet. The indictment from the United States District Court for the Central District of California charges Moore and a man named Charles “Gary” Evens, 25, with conspiracy to “access a protected computer without authorization to obtain information for private financial gain” and other counts.
On multiple occasions, Moore paid Evens to break into the email accounts of victims and steal nude photos to post on the website isanyoneup.com, according to the indictment.
Total scumbag. What happens to someone to damage them to the point they would do something like this?
chopper
PTSD. from that one time he tried to shave his cat’s asshole.
am
Wow, I hadn’t heard the part about Evens. I need some kind of foul, scatalogical version of the expression, “that’s the cherry on top”
Mnemosyne
Misogyny is a hell of a drug. I don’t understand why certain men simultaneously desire and despise women, but there it is.
max
Total scumbag. What happens to someone to damage them to the point they would do something like this?
On the upside, he has a bright future at the NSA/FBI!
max
[‘Same problem as the paparazzi, just more intense. Wants the money – resents the naked people.’]
Spankyslappybottom
@Mnemosyne: Let me explain: They want what they can’t have. Hence, despise.
Poopyman
And here I thought you were going to make a case for Bob McDonnell.
Rosalita
@chopper: Thread won…
aimai
You know, I’m not a prude or without humor but I still won’t tell rape-in-prison jokes about this guy. The main reason being that I’m really, really, really, sure that prisons are not places where extrajudicial violence is meted out to everyone equally so I have absolutely zero doubt that he will successfully trade internet porn for protection and never suffer at all. The weird fantasy that in prison some prisoners (like child molestors or whoever) get punished by the other prisoners is just some kind of childish revenge-by-proxy fantasy. The rain it rains on the just and unjust alike and very frequently some of the most horrible people in the world do not get their just desserts. This guy is such an enormous misogynist that I’m sure he will be applauded and feted by the other prisoners and do quite well in prison.
David Hunt
If this is the guy I’m thinking of, he also extorted fees out of people on the site to remove the nude photos that they didn’t consent to being put there in the first place.
There’s rape joke in there waiting to be made, but I can’t bring myself to type it.
Mnemosyne
@Spankyslappybottom:
It’s a chicken and egg problem, though: do they come to despise women because they can’t get one, or can they not get one because they despise women and that comes through in every interaction?
In my experience, it starts pretty young (like, junior high/high school), so I would lean towards B, myself.
burnspbesq
Whatever the maximum sentence is, it’s not enough.
Betty Cracker
Maybe nothing happened to him. To paraphrase Freud, sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.
@chopper: LOL!
schrodinger's cat
Thank god you are in one piece. I was worried about you, after yesterday’s incident.
Tone In DC
There’s a great Robin Williams rant about this. It’s from the mid 80s.
The love/hate thing goes back to the beginning of history, IMHO. Just sayin’.
As for these two guys and the multiple felonies… they’re gonna need some VERY good lawyers. Better than that idiot O’Keefe’s counsel.
Botsplainer
It was one reprehensible thing when it was the notion of reckless people letting their naughty photos out.
That was legal, but shitty.
The email cracks will burn his ass but good.
maximiliano furtive, formerly known as dr. bloor
@Betty Cracker: Yeah. There are many ways to become an asshole, but sociopathy in its purest form is born, not made.
Trollhattan
O/T but California-related, we will crush your Freedoms. Okay, you still have a lot of other Freedom devices to choose from, but it’s still a shred of good news.
blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2014/01/smith-wesson-says-california-law-has-forced-shutdown-of-…
Big R
@am: “That shaves the cat’s ass.”
David in NY
@aimai: And don’t think that wishing rape upon someone as punishment isn’t allied with bad attitudes towards rape of women generally. And, of course, it’s just wrong.
Baud
FWIW, that one of the provisions of the statute they charged Aaron Swartz with.
burnspbesq
Under Andre Birotte, the US Attorney’s Office in LA is doing a lot of good work, particularly in fighting sex trafficking. This is a taste.
justice.gov/usao/cac/Pressroom/2014/004.html
jl
No, I will not make an exception for this felonious jerk. I categorically do not approve of prison rape jokes.
But, after he gets out, might be a bright future for him as PR strategist in the new GOP outreach program to women. I don’t know what the next steps should be after the asinine and repulsive Huckabee and Gohmert outbursts today (edit, or were they yesterday?), but a guy like this would know.
And the evidence that committing felonies is SOP with the GOP continues to pile up, so that is no problem.
Edit: Rhymed jokes about Cole shaving a cat’s butt are totally OK with me though. I do have a sense of humor.
balconesfault
The sad thing is I suspect that there are at least tens of thousands of Americans who would do what Moore did, but just lacked his “ambition”.
Villago Delenda Est
@aimai:
This. It’s the inherent problem with such “justice”. Sure, you might well get some real scumbags on the receiving end…or you might get some kid busted for a joint “with intent to sell” because he’s got the wrong skin tone in the wrong neighborhood and the arresting officer didn’t get laid last night.
TriassicSands
Why would you want an exception? There are lots of legitimate ways to express disgust, hatred, disapproval, contempt, or whatever without resorting to something like a prison rape joke.
Should we then excuse rape jokes aimed at women we don’t like (or who are terrible human beings)?
I’d be willing to bet that Hunter Moore thinks prison rape jokes are hilarious. Do you really want to be in that company?
The punchline I want to hear is “Hunter Moore, you are sentenced to X years in prison.” The joke will be on Moore, and the bigger X is, the better.
Villago Delenda Est
@Trollhattan:
The merchants of death need to be on the receiving ends of their own products.
This is one of those common sense sort of regulations that anyone who fancies him or herself a “responsible gun owner” shouldn’t have the slightest objection to.
burnspbesq
@Tone In DC:
If these guys are convicted, they’re likely to forfeit pretty much everything they own. The prospect of having to work for nothing tends to deter lawyers from taking on cases like this. These guys will almost certainly end up being represented by the FPD’s office. Who tend to be good, conscientious, and brutally over-worked.
Anoniminous
Speaking of sociopathic assholes, where’s
weirdoStockman?(h/t to Hunter, GOS Alert)
Big R
@Big R: Sorry, I forgot: “That shaves the cat’s ass with mustard, naked upside-down in a farmer’s field.”
jl
@Big R: Well, OK, then. As for getting this scumbag adequate legal counsel, there is more than one way to shave that cat’s ass in a junked car out by a country road.
burnspbesq
@Anoniminous:
I’m tempted to say “rehab,” but I don’t think drugs are Stockman’s problem.
Botsplainer
@Trollhattan:
If it forces down the overuse of semiautomatics in the commission of crimes, then that’s a good thing. You’d need to do robbery the old fashioned way, with revolvers. Still deadly, but it would cut back on some of the proliferation and cut down on the usable rounds.
Botsplainer
@Anoniminous:
Rehab or the Appalachian Trail, with a Justin Bieber lookalike.
LanceThruster
Sorry. No you can’t. You want to make rape part of the punishment beyond incarceration, you have to have it spelled out in the sentence.
JPL
@Anoniminous: Stockman has made statements in the past that might indicate that he might need psychiatric help. just sayin..
geg6
@Rosalita:
Yup. Can’t beat that one.
mike with a mic
Nothing needs to happen to someone to make them like that.
A huge portion of the population are monsters. Humans aren’t inherently good. We are programed from core to murder, hoard, steal, rape, pillage, burn, wage war, enslave, and all the other “negative traits” that got us to where we are today. That’s who we are. Kindness, altruism, all of that is bullshit we use to sucker people in before driving the dagger through their face. That’s why we have laws, because without them those of us willing to actually behave like humans (and we are animals to the core) would simply rob and kill our way through lives.
Let’s be honest, the only thing that stops a lot of people from acting like this is they lack the intelligence, money, or power to get away with that. Once people have access to those things all the binders come off and they start acting like their core nature.
Cassidy
Depends. Do I get to tell the one about the cat and pit bull first?
Botsplainer
@JPL:
Dude did have that homeless phase.
Cervantes
No.
If you ask me.
JPL
As bad as Hunter Moore is, prison rapes are unacceptable. I’d say push him out of a helicopter with a parachute over the beautiful mountains in Pakistan.
Botsplainer: Where ever he is , rest assured that his bible is with him.
ruemara
I’d say he had nothing happen. Nothing but the best. It ain’t deprivation that makes this. And I wouldn’t shed a tear if they had to work as a bitch for a bit. But I’m vengeful.
David in NY
@LanceThruster: Even if “spelled out in the sentence” there’s the “cruel and unusual” problem with a sentence to rape. Doubt that even Scalia would approve of a rape punishment — the founding fathers didn’t have it after all.
pacem appellant
@aimai: A-tu l’intention à dire “just deserts” avec un ‘s’?
A common misspelling, because of the way English speakers pronounce it, but the correct form is ‘just deserts’ (i.e. exactly what he deserves, not a meal of only pudding and cakes)
catclub
@Botsplainer: It will be interesting to see if some other maker spots an opportunity to increase market share.
That sure sounds just like the auto makers when faced with seatbelts.
LanceThruster
@David in NY:
I understand, but that was kind of my point. Rape is considered a de facto part of the sentence.
scav
How about this instead? 24 hr webcam, streaming live, no off button, doors or curtains. Could borrow the face-blurring technology from the
goog if other prisoners wander in-shot.
Violet
No, we can’t. When faced with unspeakable acts, how we respond defines us. That is when the challenge to live up to our ideals is the greatest. It’s easy not to make prison rape jokes when it doesn’t count. Here’s where it gets difficult. Here’s where you show who you really are.
aimai
@pacem appellant: I was wondering about that but I think in the end this is one of those expressions which has wandered very far from whatever its original etymology–like the permanent argument about “free reign” versus “free rein.” I’ve stopped fighting that one, myself. I will only go to the mat (sic) fighting over things like “cough it up” instead of “chalk it up.”
Belafon
@scav: I was thinking of a plexiglass prison, everything is visible, and he’s not allowed to have clothes. Build it someplace where people can walk by it if they want to.
David in NY
@LanceThruster: I thought I understood you the first time and basically agreed. But that last sentence has me confused now. Anyway, nevermind.
jon
If rape is an acceptable punishment for misbehavior, then why not all the other forms of torture?
beltane
@Anoniminous: Appalachian Trail?
Gex
@Villago Delenda Est: I knew a one-armed kid who went to prison for graffiti. Ended up killing himself. My guess is he got some of the extra-judicial punishment. Which pisses me off, because no one deserves the death sentence for graffiti.
Violet
@David in NY:
Plenty to argue about with whether the founding fathers raped or not. As a punishment, not so much maybe. But if the person being punished was female, I bet Scalia could find some reason for finding rape as a punishment acceptable. A man being punished in that way? No.
Mnemosyne
I dunno. I’d be happy with him being forced to stand on a busy street corner wearing a sandwich board that says, I’m a creepy asshole or something like that. A modern version of the stocks.
ETA: This would be in addition to his prison sentence, of course. Sort of like work release, but with public humiliation. Maybe they can put a sign on the back of his orange jumpsuit while he’s on work detail picking up garbage on the side of the road.
scav
@Mnemosyne: Along those lines, but the internet is larger and more permanent, so I think we need to throw that into the mix.
Belafon
@Mnemosyne: It should say “Point and Laugh.”
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
No we cannot. To make an exception is to help normalize rape as humorous. It’s violence, whether the victim is male, female, old or young. Violence – do you make lots of jokes about violence? Are homicide jokes funny, whether set in prison or out? I didn’t think so.
Did I mention that the answer is “oh hell no” yet? I case I didn’t, “oh hell no.”
Cacti
@aimai:
You know, I’m not a prude or without humor but I still won’t tell rape-in-prison jokes about this guy. The main reason being that I’m really, really, really, sure that prisons are not places where extrajudicial violence is meted out to everyone equally
Nope.
Prison is a place where the most violent inmates terrorize the least violent ones.
Mnemosyne
@scav:
@Belafon:
Public humiliation at least equal to what his victims suffered. That’s the real leveling tactic. Though I want him to keep his clothes on so as not to distract the public from pointing and laughing.
ETA: I’m not quite willing to go so far as a tattoo, but maybe make “I’m a Creepy Asshole” his official middle name for the length of his probation/parole after being released. Give him little business cards like the deaf people trying to sell you keychains hand out.
Mandalay
No. Just don’t go down that path.
SATSQ
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
“What happens to someone to damage them to the point they would do something like this?”
Haven’t seen Spatz around in a while.
Fellatio Alger
@Cassidy: You need a shave.
CaseyL
No, absolutely not.
I get the impulse to “hope for” certain kinds of extra-judicial punishment for certain kinds of crimes. I feel that way, too; lots of times.
But our actions shape who we are. If we allow atrocities, it doesn’t matter if the victims “deserved it.” What matters is that we allowed the atrocities.
For a fitting punishment, I like the idea of giving the scumbag no privacy at all, see how he likes it. But even then… mimicking the crime as punishment for the crime just strikes me as unjust, for much the same reasons.
JPL
OT but it does involve another misogynist……
For those who are still confused about Huckabee’s statement, Alexandra Petri of the Washington Post explains it.
link
Amir Khalid
Prison rape is a violation of an already powerless person’s body and self. It is thus beyond the pale. Attempting a funny about such a thing is itself beyond the pale. No exceptions.
raven
Jesus John.
Mandalay
@Cacti:
I don’t speak with any inside knowledge, but I would think it is also about power, and the crimes committed. The most powerful in prison are not necessarily the strongest or most violent.
Jeffrey Dahmer was obviously very violent, but that didn’t get him very far in prison.
Mandalay
@Cacti:
I don’t speak with any inside knowledge, but I would think it is also about power, and the crimes committed. The most powerful in prison are not necessarily the strongest or most violent.
Jeffrey Dahmer was obviously very violent, but that didn’t get him very far in prison.
Mandalay
@Cacti:
I don’t speak with any inside knowledge, but I would think it is also about power, and the crimes committed. The most powerful in prison are not necessarily the strongest or most violent.
Jeffrey Dahmer was obviously very violent, but that didn’t get him very far in prison.
Mandalay
@Cacti:
I don’t speak with any inside knowledge, but I would think it is also about power, and the crimes committed. The most powerful in prison are not necessarily the strongest or most violent.
Jeffrey Dahmer was obviously very violent, but that didn’t get him very far in prison.
Mandalay
FYWP
Trollhattan
@Mandalay:
You have the magic today. Go forth and mulitply (see M Huckabee for more info on how).
LanceThruster
@David in NY:
My bad. Miscomprehension is a sign of my being rushed.
Trollhattan
Bwa-ha-ha.
mynorthwest.com/292/2439775/Wenatchee-vet-clinic-offers-free-Bronco-castrations-to-support-Seahawks
Andrey
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’m with you on the prison rape isn’t funny thing, but the answer you’ll get to “Violence – do you make lots of jokes about violence? Are homicide jokes funny, whether set in prison or out?” is often “yes”.
Cassidy
@Fellatio Alger: Only on days I go to work.
Cacti
@Mandalay:
I don’t speak with any inside knowledge, but I would think it is also about power, and the crimes committed. The most powerful in prison are not necessarily the strongest or most violent.
Violence + organization.
The most powerful groups on the inside of prisons are the gangs. If you’re violent, but not part of gang, you can still be victimized. If you’re non-violent and a non-gang member, you’re a piece of meat among a pack of wolves. I’d rather be dead than have a life sentence.
Amir Khalid
Stop The Presses! The Captain and Tennille are getting divorced! PJ Media wonders if Obamacare is to blame.
Stacy
I heard this guy’s interview on NPR a few weeks ago in a piece they did that also interviewed the woman who went after him for posting pics of her daughter. The NPR guy (forgot who) did a great job. At the end of they interview he asked this idiot if he would post pics of his own mother or daughter and he said no of course not he only posted pics of women that turned him on. He couldn’t grasp that other people might not want pics of their loved ones on the site. Horrible human being.
Amir Khalid
@Andrey:
It’s one thing when the person getting homicided is a bad person getting their comeuppance. It’s quite another when it’s someone in a situation where all personal power has been taken from them, and they’re left unable to resist.being physically violated.
Mike with a Mic
@Mandalay:
There’s a ranking system among most criminals, on the street and in prison. Higher level drug dealers and organized crime types make up the top, along with your more violent crazies (there’s often a bit of cross pollination between these groups, often the enforcers of organized crime are fucking nuts). These guys can pretty much act with impunity and only worry about trouble with other large groups of their same rank.
Then you have your “unlucky” non career criminal types or white collar types. It’s either find a group of your race or try to avoid being noticed.
Child molesters, sex offenders, rapists, and various other types are the lowest of the low. Not only do they not have any power structure backing them (and even the neo nazis aren’t going to take in a child fucker), they’re actively hated. They often have to get put into ADSEG or solitary because people will actively hunt them the fuck down. If you’re any of those they aren’t just gunning to kill you, they are gunning to torture your ass and make it as painful as possible.
Jeffrey Dahmer was a freak and had a target painted on him the moment he went into prison. He was always going to be brutalized and murdered (that’s the point of putting sex offenders in prison, we want this to happen), it was just a matter of time.
I haven’t been to prison, but I’ve had a few friends that did various stints for various charges.
Fellatio Alger
@aimai: I would argue that “free reign” is redundant. If one reigns, it follows that they reign freely. “Free rein,” on the other hand speaks to loosening restrictions and carries more of a sense of what one would do if those constraints were removed. And since I reign over all, I pronounce the argument won by the free rein people.
am
@Big R:
Brave, sir.
Amir Khalid
@aimai:
I think the expression is from horseback riding, i.e. giving the horse “free rein” to decide which way to go.
am
@am:
Sigh. “Bravo”, sir.
Pogonip
@Mnemosyne: I don’t know, a lot of those Manosphere guys, who all seem to like pussy but hate women, claim, at least, to be happily married. And when I say they seem to hate women I mean ALL women, not just feminists.
pacem appellant
@aimai:
@Amir Khalid:
An s doesn’t make or break the expression@Amir Khalid: . I think it’s kind of cute sometimes that English has appropriated the phrase and twisted it into some kind of after-dinner torture.
Though there’s no point in being upset by it the figurative use of ‘literally’ still irks me, as does ‘begging the question’ standing in for ‘raises the question.’
Mandalay
@Mike with a Mic:
I’d read that some fellow prisoners hate the child molesters because it assuages their own guilt about being such worthless parents.
Maybe, but I think that it might be even simpler than that: hating those who commit offenses against children allows all other prisoners to have some sense of self-worth: “However much I am a pathetic loser, at least I’m better than those kiddie molesters…”. It’s a delusion in many cases of course, but probably still serves them well.
Mnemosyne
@Amir Khalid:
I hate to disillusion you even more about the US healthcare system, but it’s not uncommon for people to divorce because the other person’s healthcare bills have become unmanageable. By divorcing, Dragon goes down to a single income, so he’ll be at the poverty level sooner and can get Medicaid benefits for his care. Otherwise, his wife is on the hook for anything Medicare doesn’t cover.
Where PJMedia is wrong (as usual) is that this is not an Obamacare thing. This is a for-profit US healthcare system thing, and it’s been happening for decades.
Elizabelle
And now Dinesh D’Souza is in legal trouble too! Indicted, yet!
[The candidate appears to be Wendy Long, a fellow alumna of Dartmouth.]
Corruption of the electoral process.
Yeah, baby!
EthylEster
@aimai: Thanks. My take also. Let’s leave the prison rape jokes out of it.
James Parente
I’m hoping for a shiv between the ribs.
Wil
The guy may be a scumbag, but that doesn’t mean that some people don’t deserve what he facilitated being done to them.
Edward Snowbro
Hey, information just wants to be free, man.
Stop the Feds from interfering from this dude’s internet freedom!
chigrl
Shorter answer: No.
Ecks
@Mike with a Mic: I heard a sociologist talking years ago who had gone to prisons and studied this stuff. That’s pretty much what they reported too.
Tata
@Wil:
The guy may be a scumbag, but that doesn’t mean that some people don’t deserve what he facilitated being done to them.
Took 95 comments to get a victim-blamer. That must be some sort of record.
Omnes Omnibus
No.
Wil
@Tata: I’m sorry I’m not conforming to the officially approved point of view, which is apparently the only one allowed.
Good job using labeling to shut out opinions of which you disapprove. ;)
Older
Oh, poor Wil, were you shut out? That’s funny, I see your comment right there.