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by DougJ|  February 21, 20143:46 pm| 67 Comments

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Apropos of our recent songs that reference other songs threat…I’ve listened to the song “High Fidelity” a thousand times and was even going to have Nick Hornby autograph his book “High Fidelity” with the song’s opening line “some things you never get used to” when my roommate went to this book reading, but I didn’t know until that the line comes from this Supremes song:

Talk about whatever.

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  1. 1.

    Bob In Portland

    February 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Falling from your open pocketbook,
    giving it away like motel matches.

  2. 2.

    Roger Moore

    February 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
    So that when they turn their backs on you,
    You’ll get the chance to put the knife in.

  3. 3.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 21, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    It starts with a face and ends up a fixation.*

    *If we are just tossing out random lyrics from songs on “Get Happy,” I can play too.

  4. 4.

    MattR

    February 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    I missed that previous thread. Did someone link to this image mapping out the Beatles’ self referencial lyrics?

  5. 5.

    Yatsuno

    February 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Since it’s open thread…

    I just cooked my very first meal since I had the surgery. Accomplished, I am feeling. It turned out pretty damn good too. Next up is professional torture then clothes shopping this weekend. Then a 5 AM start for the new job. Oh baby.

  6. 6.

    DougJ

    February 21, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    @Bob In Portland:

    That’s possibly the best song on the album.

  7. 7.

    rikyrah

    February 21, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
    …………………

    Genius Girl Scout sells cookies outside pot club
    Posted on February 20, 2014 | By [email protected] (Vivian Ho)

    It all boils down to one of the first rules of business: know your customer.

    Girl Scout Danielle Lei, 13, knew exactly what her customers wanted when she set up her cookie table outside of the Green Cross, a medical marijuana dispensary in San Francisco’s Excelsior neighborhood.

    “They get very hungry after!” she told the East Bay Express.

    Very hungry indeed. Within 45 minutes, Danielle sold out of cookies.

    http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2014/02/20/genius-girl-scout-sells-cookies-outside-pot-club/

  8. 8.

    Napoleon

    February 21, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    OK, how does Pink Floyd’s Sheep otherwise relate to the other songs/book mentioned?

  9. 9.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 21, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    @DougJ: Temptation or King Horse. Motel Matches is wonderful lyrically, but musically it doesn’t touch the easy but oh-so-tight soulful swing of the other two.

  10. 10.

    Wag

    February 21, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    It’s the words that we don’t say that scare me so.

  11. 11.

    Mnemosyne

    February 21, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    My vote would be for “King Horse”

    He said, Will you please —
    And she said, STOP!
    If I ever lose this good thing that I’ve got
    I never want to hear that song
    You dedicated tonight
    You see, I knew that song so long before we met
    That it means much more than it
    Might

  12. 12.

    CASLondon

    February 21, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Elvis plays with lyrical allusions to RnB/country Motown/Stax/Minit Records classics all the time, like Lipstick Traces, Smoke Gets In Your Eyes, etc. (Indoor Fireworks – But they can dazzle or delight/Or bring a tear/When the smoke gets in your eyes).

    I saw Elvis and the Imposters put on a Springsteen-like 3 hour tour de force at the Royal Albert Hall this year, unbelievable band, and passionate performance by EC

  13. 13.

    burnspbesq

    February 21, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    In order to assuage the massively pedantic outrage of an idiot, I wish to modify a comment of mine from an earlier thread.

    No coach can affect how ACCofficials call a an ACC game. At that level of incompetence, calls become random. There is no way to predict which team Karl Hess or Jamie Luckie is going to fuck on any given night. Hess fucks Duke at least twice a year.

    Happy now, dickhead?

  14. 14.

    Amir Khalid

    February 21, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    Reposted from another, possibly dead thread:
    This contrarian but not quite anti-evolution argument from Slate’s William Saletan sounds like something our Tom Levenson might want to have a go at.

  15. 15.

    Jewish Steel

    February 21, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    @DougJ: @Omnes Omnibus:

    The live version of Motel Matches with the Rhodes piano on one of those Rykodisc reissues is devastatingly beautiful.

  16. 16.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 21, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    @CASLondon:
    While Nat King Cole sings “Welcome to my World,”
    You request some song you hate, you sentimental fool.

  17. 17.

    catclub

    February 21, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    @Yatsuno: “professional torture”,

    aka physical therapy? good luck

  18. 18.

    Jebediah, RBG

    February 21, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    @Yatsuno:
    What’s the new job?

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    February 21, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    @Yatsuno: Someone linked to a slow cooker recipe thread yesterday, and the thread turned out to be just a day or two before your big surgery.

    You start work at 5am, or you have to get up at 5am? Yikes either way, but double yikes if you start at 5am. Big congrats on the new job.

  20. 20.

    Bob In Portland

    February 21, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Get Happy! was a great album. I remember picking up “King Horse” as a single before the album came out.

    It’s hard for me to pick a favorite song. “New Amsterdam” is up there in my top ten thousand too.

  21. 21.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 21, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    @Bob In Portland: I’ll probably just go home from work and listen to the whole damn thing. IIRC it’s little more than a half hour of music.

  22. 22.

    dedc79

    February 21, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Similarly, I’d been listening to this Phosphorescent song for about a year before I realized the first few lines were from Cash’s Ring of Fire. Makes me realize how little i pay attention to lyrics.

  23. 23.

    Trollhattan

    February 21, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Bureau of Reclamation creates numerous sad faces with today’s water allocation announcement.

    Agricultural water service contractors North-of-Delta are allocated 0 percent of their contract supply of
    443,000 acre-feet.
    M&I water service contractors North-of-Delta who are serviced by Shasta Reservoir on the Sacramento River are allocated 50 percent of their historic use.
    Sacramento River Settlement Contractors, whose water supply is based upon senior water rights and is subject to pre-established Shasta Reservoir inflow criteria, are allocated 40 percent of their contract supply of 2.2 million acre-feet.
    Agricultural water service contractors South-of-Delta are allocated 0 percent of their contract supply of
    1.965 million acre-feet.
    M&I water service contractors South-of-Delta are allocated 50 percent of their historic use.
    San Joaquin River Exchange and Settlement Contractors, whose CVP water supply allocation is subject to pre-established Shasta Reservoir inflow criteria, are allocated 40 percent of their contract supply of 875,000 acre-feet.

    http://mavensnotebook.com/2014/02/21/thist-just-in-reclamation-announces-initial-2014-central-valley-project-water-supply-allocation/

    And the indespensible Timothy Egan chimes in on what’s actually happening, as opposed to what dipshit Republicans chant..

    No surprise, some of the worst deniers of the obvious come from places where it pays to look the other way. Let me introduce Representative Devin Nunes, Republican from Fresno. Like most elected members of his party, Nunes apparently skipped out of science class.

    “Global warming is nonsense,” he said last week, when President Obama visited the Central Valley. “We want water, not welfare.”

    They’ve certainly got plenty of welfare. The Central Valley Project is a tangle of aqueducts, pumps, canals and dams, the largest water development project in the United States. Yes, we taxpayers built it, and still subsidize it. Its 20 reservoirs hold enough water to irrigate three million acres.

    But Nunes prefers the myth, firmly planting himself with the fact-denial majority of Republican lawmakers. He took to the floor of Congress a few days ago to explain. “Our ancestors in California built an amazing irrigation system that can deliver a reliable water supply even during severe droughts,” he said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/opinion/egan-days-of-desiccation.html?_r=0

  24. 24.

    Mnemosyne

    February 21, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It’s the force of habit
    If it moves, then you fuck it
    If it doesn’t, then you stab it

  25. 25.

    Trollhattan

    February 21, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    @Bob In Portland:
    Yeah, the man knows how to turn a phrase while punning shamelessly. He’s a treasure.

    Till I step on the brakes to get out of her clutches
    Till I speak double dutch to a real double duchess

  26. 26.

    burnspbesq

    February 21, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    Yup. No real surprises there. No tomatoes for anybody, anywhere this year. Stinky pits and dirty hair will be de rigeur in LA and SF. Well and truly fucked are we.

  27. 27.

    Amir Khalid

    February 21, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Do check out Cardboard Box Office. A Kiwi family recently arrived in Sydney — Lilly, Leon, and baby Orson — recreate scenes from their favourite movies, with the cardboard boxes left over from the move and a bit of imagination. Rather amusing, and very cute.

  28. 28.

    catclub

    February 21, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Charlie Pierce has a mention of the SCIENCE editor who has changed her mind on the XL Pipeline
    to favor it.

    It was mostly defeatism. It also mentioned something about “well, what if we used the profits from these horrible products to fund clean energy solutions for the future? Wouldn’t that be a good thing?”

    But as far as I can tell, nobody is actually discussing actually doing that, except this editor with no influence on legislation which might make that happen. Is that somewhere in the plans?

    I think someone kidnapped a relative of hers.

  29. 29.

    Tommy

    February 21, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    I am watching MSNBC and the Walker emails. Years ago I got an email from a family member. Racist. I hit “Reply All” and called it such. Things went sideways. I was told I shouldn’t have done this, what I said went to her boss. I was like maybe she shouldn’t have sent out this email from her work account. Included her boss on said email. Said racist things.

    What I am guessing is you can’t do shit like this.

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    February 21, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    @Trollhattan: I’m from IL, so that’s a bit hard for me to decipher.

    “Agricultural water service contractors North/South-of-Delta are allocated 0 percent of their contract supply”

    Does that mean that farmers get NO water for their crops?

  31. 31.

    piratedan

    February 21, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    I would have to say Temptation is the one that does it for me, although it’s purely a ymmv kinda thang. Obviously fond of Motel Matches, New Amsterdam, and Secondary Modern as well, but hell the entire album is simply awesome and it comes after three previously awesome albums as well which just made me wonder how can any one guy continue to write about angst, politics, society, relationships and love so poignantly?

  32. 32.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 21, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    This will probably distress some of the conspiracy theorists or Russian apologists I’ve seen here, but events in Ukraine have moved very very rapidly over the last 24 hours, beginning with the parliament by large margins rolling back many of the president’s powers, granting essentially unconditional amnesty to most of the anti-government protesters and decriminalizing the actions for which a leading opposition politician, Yulia Tymoshenko, has been imprisoned for the last several years. More recently there are reports that the summer home of one of the most pro-Russian MP’s (Putin is godfather to his daughter) about 12 km outside Kiev has caught fire, and now that the president and a few trusted advisers have fled the capital to Kharkiv – Ukraine’s second-largest city, and a stronghold of pro-Yanukovych sentiments. It’s just about midnight Friday local time.

  33. 33.

    Anoniminous

    February 21, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    Classic. Absolutely classic Californian GOP dumbfuckery. Laughed my ass off.

    Thanks

    ETA: @WaterGirl:

    You got it: None.

  34. 34.

    catclub

    February 21, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    @Tommy: I guess that meant that usually her boss ignored such emails (or approved the racism), but the one from you got read. Funny.

  35. 35.

    Trollhattan

    February 21, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    Goddamnit, I’m triggering an FYWP in an excerpt from this UAW filing before the NLRB re. the Tennessee VW plant election. Anyway, they name names. Here’s the link.

    http://uaw.org/sites/default/files/UAW_Election_Objection.pdf

  36. 36.

    catclub

    February 21, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: “and now that the president and a few trusted advisers have fled the capital to Kharkiv”

    Wow, important if true.

  37. 37.

    catclub

    February 21, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    @Trollhattan: LGM has a thread up on that one.

  38. 38.

    Trollhattan

    February 21, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Right, from the standpoint of their federal contracts, they will receive zero water from the Central Valley Project. If they have other water sources, then they can still farm. If not, then they’re out of luck this year (for whatever requres irrigation). A crazy quilt of water supplies, contracts, legal requirements, etc. make it nearly impossible to figure out who wins, who loses and what we’ll have to eat next summer. It’s helpful to know something like three-quarters of the state’s water goes to ag. Whether LA washes their cars doesn’t impact much beyond LA itself.

  39. 39.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 21, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    @catclub: Video available now showing a crowd estimated at 20,000 anti-government protesters in the streets of Kharkiv to “greet” him by shouts of “Get out, crook.” At midnight. On a Friday.

  40. 40.

    Trollhattan

    February 21, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    @catclub:

    Good–they’re always on top of labor stuff.. I have to go find WP and punch it in the nose at the moment.

  41. 41.

    Tommy

    February 21, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    @catclub: I might have let it go but she is a teacher. That got me more mad then I might have gotten. I was stunned to get an email like that from somebody that is paid to teach kids. I was attacked actually. Said I was terrible. Good thing, my dad called them all out. Said I just spoke the truth and if they didn’t like it, well it is why my part of their family doesn’t deal with them much.

  42. 42.

    burnspbesq

    February 21, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    Good for the UAW for trying, but even if they get a new election the Republicans will repeat the same lies. The only person who an credibly rebut them is Winterkorn.

  43. 43.

    Trollhattan

    February 21, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Just stumbled across this Kiev photo essay. .

    http://ericbouvet.com/#Kiev-s-fatigue

  44. 44.

    WaterGirl

    February 21, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    @Trollhattan: Note to self: expand garden this year.

    Edit: wow. so 3/4 of the water goes to agriculture, but whoever falls into the 0% thing I quoted above gets none? So those farmer’s just don’t grow crops? That seems crazy.

  45. 45.

    replicnt6

    February 21, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    pedantic outrage of an idiot

    I’m not recognizing it. Elvis Costello, maybe?

  46. 46.

    Trollhattan

    February 21, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    For better or worse, we have an ag system based on heavily subsidized water (on the federal side), which encourages planting crops (or dairy-farming, etc.) that were not possible before developing the water projects. In years when there’s simply not enough percipitation to fill the reservoirs and canals, somebody with an apricot orchard on land that averages six inches of rain in a normal year is in deep trouble.

    They dig deeper and more wells to extract groundwater, but that’s eventually a fatal strategy where the water-bearing strata permanently compress and can’t recharge in wet years.

    This is a lot worse in the San Joaquin Valley (the south of the Delta component). The economy is basically ag and oil.

    ETA The smart farmers invested in subsurface drip and need far less water. Most fields are still flood-irrigated. That needs to stop.

  47. 47.

    Bob In Portland

    February 21, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    @dedc79: Lots of good versions of “Ring Of Fire”. Anyone remember Wall of Voodoo’s version? Or their “Longarm”?

  48. 48.

    burnspbesq

    February 21, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    @replicnt6:

    Well, the idiot in question does think himself king of america, but no, no connection to Mr. McManus.

  49. 49.

    WaterGirl

    February 21, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    @Trollhattan: Wow. It takes some real balls to be a farmer and live with all the uncertainty. I couldn’t do it.

    Or maybe there aren’t any small farmers anymore, just big corporations?

  50. 50.

    burnspbesq

    February 21, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    Speaking of great songwriters, I am listening to the new Neil Finn album. I think these songs could be great live, but the production is just not doing it for me.

  51. 51.

    burnspbesq

    February 21, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    Not to mention that south of the Grapevine, you have a population of around 20 million on land whose natural carrying capacity probably doesn’t exceed 600,000 or so. James Irvine was right back in the 1850s: without imported water, the only thing Orange County is good for is grazing sheep and the occasional olive tree.

  52. 52.

    Svensker

    February 21, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    I hate Elvis Costello. There’s something about him that just makes me want to punch him out.

  53. 53.

    Bob In Portland

    February 21, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    @piratedan: “Temptation” is another great one from that album. That bassline is right out of Booker T & MGs.

  54. 54.

    NobodySpecial

    February 21, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    I’m’a go ahead and call Get Happy!! my favorite EC album. All I ever owned was the Rhino version, though, so I got the extra stuff like ‘Hoover Factory’ and ‘Just A Memory’.

  55. 55.

    Xjmueller

    February 21, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    @burnspbesq:
    He was a fine idea at the time, but …

  56. 56.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    February 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Get Happy is Elvis Costello’s most timeless album. Also probably his best. The Attractions were a really tight backing band.

  57. 57.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    February 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Get Happy is Elvis Costello’s most timeless album. Also probably his best. The Attractions were a really tight backing band.

  58. 58.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    February 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Get Happy is Elvis Costello’s most timeless album. Also probably his best. The Attractions were a really tight backing band.

  59. 59.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    February 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Get Happy is Elvis Costello’s most timeless album. Also probably his best. The Attractions were a really tight backing band.

  60. 60.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    February 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Get Happy is Elvis Costello’s most timeless album. Also probably his best. The Attractions were a really tight backing band.

  61. 61.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    February 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Get Happy is Elvis Costello’s most timeless album. Also probably his best. The Attractions were a really tight backing band.

  62. 62.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    February 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Get Happy is Elvis Costello’s most timeless album. Also probably his best. The Attractions were a really tight backing band.

  63. 63.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    February 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Get Happy is Elvis Costello’s most timeless album. Also probably his best. The Attractions were a really tight backing band.

  64. 64.

    trollhattan

    February 21, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:

    The FYWP octofecta. Shazaam!

  65. 65.

    reflectionephemeral

    February 21, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    I like his version of “King Horse” with the TKO Horns, and “Temptation” with just Steve Nieve, sorta-kinda confirming in pre-song banter that it was inspired by the experience of Bruce Springsteen.

    As to songs referencing songs, I was pretty surprised the first time I heard “Today I Met the Boy I’m Gonna Marry” by Darlene Love, because I’d never realized that the big line in “Lucky Ball & Chain” by They Might Be Giants was an allusion.

  66. 66.

    Steeplejack

    February 22, 2014 at 12:32 am

    @trollhattan:

    Yeah, I think that’s a new record. Definitely a season record.

  67. 67.

    Bob In Portland

    February 22, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    @catclub: Wasn’t there a Klingon named Kharkov?

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