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Not ready to move on just yet

by Kay|  February 22, 20144:58 pm| 81 Comments

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“This isn’t about some aging rockstar way past his prime that simply needs to go away,” Davis said during her remarks at the Texas Democratic Women Convention in Austin. “This is about Greg Abbott. It’s about his character, his judgment, his values when he stands on a stage next to someone like that and refers to him as his ‘blood brother.’”

Feel free to discuss whether this is about some aging rockstar, or something else entirely.

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  1. 1.

    Marc

    February 22, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    Good for her. When your opponent is sinking, throw him an anvil.

  2. 2.

    gbear

    February 22, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    It’s always about the aging rock star. Just ask Christie.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    Such incivility. Tsk, tsk. /Village

  4. 4.

    TR

    February 22, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Wait, a Democrat who knows how to campaign? How can this be?

  5. 5.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    @gbear:

    Speaking of (Newsmax):

    Chris Christie’s Mansion Fund Collected Millions

    I missed this story on Karnacki this morning. Anyone want to go sewer diving and tell us what this is about?

  6. 6.

    Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937

    February 22, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    Its about someone who brags about defecating in their pants and preying upon underage girls.

  7. 7.

    Cassidy

    February 22, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    @TR: She’s not pure, though.

  8. 8.

    Anya

    February 22, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    @TR: The best part is, you know Nugent has no self control so he’s going to say something really offensive about Wendy Davis. Then it’s another Nugent related controversy the Abbott campaign has to address.

  9. 9.

    Kay

    February 22, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    @Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937:

    She goes to the underage girls thing later in the speech.

    Democratic women candidates speaking at “Democratic women” events in Ohio are always a little more freewheeling than the general theme. I don’t know why that is, but it’s true.

    Must be the same in Texas.

  10. 10.

    Anya

    February 22, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    @Baud: I am more interested in the healing bible verse.

  11. 11.

    GRANDPA john

    February 22, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    “Sen. Davis will say anything to avoid talking about the issue in this race, including her support for Obamacare and restricting the 2nd Amendment rights of Texans,” Hirsch said.

    So the character honesty. and integrity of the candidate and his associates are not issues in the race? only if you are a repub

  12. 12.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    @Kay:

    Must be all the testosterone.

    Wait…

  13. 13.

    Mustang Bobby

    February 22, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    I presume that only in Texas could you be in favor of open carry and still be “restricting the 2nd Amendment.”

  14. 14.

    Corner Stone

    February 22, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    But was she in the trailer park long enough?
    I say no.

  15. 15.

    Amir Khalid

    February 22, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    His musical has-beenness aside, Ted Nugent is known for abject cowardice in the face of military service, having his way with underage girls, and less-than-gentlemanly manners in public. And I doubt he could articulate the Republican policy agenda on anything. Is it really a winning proposition for Greg Abbott to campaign with him who is called the Yosemite Sam of rock?

  16. 16.

    Corner Stone

    February 22, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    @Mustang Bobby: Crazy as it sounds to everyone, there is one line in Texas you simply can’t cross. No matter what party you belong to.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    @Anya:

    Google “Republican Alternative to Obamacare.”

  18. 18.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    February 22, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    Nugent should have “Poor Impulse Control” tattooed across his forehead.

  19. 19.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    When’s the election? Maybe she can move into a trailer park now to make up the extra credit hours she needs.

  20. 20.

    Honus

    February 22, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Wendy Davis hit it perfectly. It’s about Abbot calling Nugent his “Blood Brother” (and Cruz refusing to repudiate Nugent). Make the republicans own Nugent. And Limbaugh, and all their ilk.

  21. 21.

    Corner Stone

    February 22, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    @Baud: It’s too late. She has an education now. She’s dead to us.

  22. 22.

    Cacti

    February 22, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    At 65, I’d call Ted aged not aging.

    Not to mention, when was the last decade that he could credibly be called a rock star?

  23. 23.

    PurpleGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    @Baud: No Newsmax diving but some Googling… The official NJ governor’s mansion is called Drumthwacket, it’s outside Princeton. There is a charitable foundation that pays for it’s upkeep and maintenance, and also paid for restoration of the building. Christie and his wife are president and vice president of the Foundation. The CEO of Prudential Ins. and his wife are chairman and vice chairman of the Foundation. The major role all these people play is in fundraising.

    There are different stories going round of donors getting political favors when they made significant contributions to the Foundation. And example is Trump making contributions of some $25,000 over several years and getting permission to build a private, family cemetery in NJ.

    ETA: Christie and family do not live there but it is used for official functions; they have used it every few days since he was elected.

  24. 24.

    Kay

    February 22, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    @Baud:

    You have to go to one. I can’t explain it- laughing, ridicule, a lot of milling around and refusing to clear the aisles. It’s different. She’d be perfect in that room.

  25. 25.

    Corner Stone

    February 22, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    @Baud: I just hope people keep telling us all how she really wasn’t divorced until she was 21, only lived in a trailer for some number of months, and then earned higher education while her partner handled other family matters.

  26. 26.

    Kay

    February 22, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    “He raised her children” While she was sitting in the bar?

    It just grates on me.

  27. 27.

    Corner Stone

    February 22, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    Oh, and James Moore and Wayne Slater are perfect illustrations of the Old Boy Texas Democratic Party.
    Just shut your pie hole, fools.

  28. 28.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    @PurpleGirl:

    Thanks. Too many things to keep track of with that guy.

    @Kay:

    I’ll try to attend one. I’ll have to watch some old episodes of Bosom Buddies first to learn how to blend in.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I can’t say I think she’ll win, but maybe Abbot will say something stupid about “legitimate rape” (or the Texas equivalent since …. well…. you know).

  30. 30.

    Thor Heyerdahl

    February 22, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Is it really a winning proposition for Greg Abbott to campaign with him who is called the Yosemite Sam of rock?

    That’s so unfair to Yosemite Sam to be compared to a shitting Republican.

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    @Baud: I recommend Nuns on the Run, as well.

  32. 32.

    Anoniminous

    February 22, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    @Kay:

    Different styles. Women tend to be more comfortable in networks. Men tend to be more comfortable in hierarchies. Granted that’s a cliche. It also happens to be true(ish.)

    Neither style is inherently “better” than the other.

  33. 33.

    PurpleGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    @Baud: You’re welcome. That Newsmax title caught my attention and I wanted to find out information on the mansion. Gotta love the name Drumthwacket.

  34. 34.

    Corner Stone

    February 22, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    @Kay: Wendy Davis has, possibly, the most tricky path to election of any candidate running for elected office this term.
    I’m not on board with some things, but have committed lots of time and money so far. That’s just the way it is right now with Democrats running in TX.
    It should piss you off. It pisses me off. I hope it sticks in the craw of all women in TX.

  35. 35.

    AdamK

    February 22, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    They should change the name of this blog to Kay Juice.

  36. 36.

    PurpleGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    @efgoldman: I didn’t see any reference to that, but the stories hinge around stuff like corporations getting permission to do things like move into newer office buildings, or, like Trump, getting permission to build his own cemetery.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I hope it sticks in the craw of all women in TX.

    I think it will, based on my read of Texas women, which is based entirely on three episodes of the show Killer Women.

  38. 38.

    Kay

    February 22, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I just really like her. I understand that she’s a long shot. I like how she handled that controversy. I’m tired of women apologizing. People lead complicated lives. We all do, but women are the only ones called to explain everything. I’m sick of that.

  39. 39.

    Violet

    February 22, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    Posted this in a previous Ted Nugent thread, but in case anyone missed it:

    Tagg Romney ‏@tromney

    Ted Nugent endorsed my Dad today. Ted Nugent? How cool is that?! He joins Kid Rock as great Detroit musicians on team Mitt!

    2:09 PM – 2 Mar 2012

    Ted Nugent wasn’t just acceptable in 2012, his endorsement was “cool”.

  40. 40.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    @AdamK:

    They should change the name of this blog to Kay Juice.

    Kay’s my favorite blogger, but that title is … um….no.

  41. 41.

    Corner Stone

    February 22, 2014 at 5:46 pm

    @Kay: Well, my son and I both have Team Wendy T-shirts, plus a few fridge magnets in addition to outright donations. Field work has been a little tougher to this point in wingnutville. All the people I worked with for the Bill White campaign are really slow rolling this effort. I’m hoping Abbott sticks his joint in the mashed taters and we can pry some resources loose.
    She seems pretty brave.

  42. 42.

    WaterGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    @Baud: It took you 3 episodes to figure out how bad that show was? It only took me one*.

    *But I continued to watch anyway, even knowing it was sure to be cancelled, because I like three of the male actors in the show.

  43. 43.

    RSA

    February 22, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    @Cacti:

    Not to mention, when was the last decade that he could credibly be called a rock star?

    The last time one of his singles was in the top 40? That was 37 years ago, in 1977. Coincidentally, the median age in the U.S, per Wikipedia, is 36.8.

  44. 44.

    ruemara

    February 22, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    @Kay: Women. Having more balls when it counts, simply because you have to to get ahead, since… forever.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    When Balloon Juice is slow, bad things happen.

  46. 46.

    ruemara

    February 22, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    @WaterGirl: Aww, I really liked that show. I’m a sucker for the leads.

  47. 47.

    Corner Stone

    February 22, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    @Baud:

    When Balloon Juice is slow, bad things happen.

    Don’t get body slammed by a lowland gorilla.

  48. 48.

    WaterGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    @Baud: So true.

    What was with that thread the other night about Matt Tabbi? It didn’t seem to matter how many people explained that First Look Media was not the same as the new place Ezra is putting together, people just kept on discussing things like they were one and the same.

    Were people just punching punking one another?

    Edit: autocorrect turned punking into punching.

  49. 49.

    Mike in NC

    February 22, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    Drumthwacket sounds like something out of a Harry Potter book.

  50. 50.

    NotMax

    February 22, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    @PurpleGirl>/a>

    Yes, New Jersey found its own capital, Trenton, too crappy to put the governor’s mansion there.

  51. 51.

    Baud

    February 22, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Were people just punching one another?

    Given my experience here, I’m going to say “yes.”

    Seriously, that was weird. I don’t follow our punditocracy as much as others, so it was all very confusing.

    ETA: I like “punching” better.

  52. 52.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 22, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    @efgoldman: The original Pyewacket was one of the familiars of an English witch detected by Matthew Hopkins. He/she/it was an imp not a cat.

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    @Baud: That weird thread sent me googling to figure out what was what. First Look Media looks like a really interesting concept to me, and I think Ezra kind of missed the boat by going the direction he did.

    But I’ve gotten kind of turned off by Ezra, so I’m not losing any sleep over it. I wonder if he might be, though.

  54. 54.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 22, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    @efgoldman: I always thought that the name was a great touch in the movie. Also too, Novak was sexier as a witch than as mortal.

  55. 55.

    Don K

    February 22, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Wouldn’t that be the Woodrow Wilson bedroom, since he was actually governor of NJ (Cleveland was born there, but moved to NY for his elective career)?

  56. 56.

    dmsilev

    February 22, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    @Violet: Yes, but to be fair, anything that a Mittlet refers to as ‘cool’ has to be graded on a curve.

  57. 57.

    PurpleGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    @NotMax: Drumthwacket is taken from two Scottish Gaelic words meaning “wooded hill”. It is in Princeton, it was built in 1835 on land that was the site of the 1777 battle of Princeton. It was sold to the State in 1966 but the restoration was on hold until years later when they could raise the money needed.

    http://www.drumthwacket.org/history.html

  58. 58.

    John Revolta

    February 22, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    They were going to go with “Pluckenlyre” but it somehow didn’t make the cut.

  59. 59.

    NotMax

    February 22, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    @PurpleGirl

    Been there. Princeton is lovely. Trenton, on the other hand, looks like every Hollywood-inspired urban dystopia rolled into one.

    There’s a reason that NJ is the only state (of those which have a governor’s mansion) that doesn’t site it in its capital.

  60. 60.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 22, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    @NotMax: Ohio’s is in a Columbus suburb.

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    February 22, 2014 at 6:51 pm

    @Omes omnibus

    I stand (well, type) corrected. Same for Wisconsin and Tennessee, apparently. Trenton is still a pit.

    Vermont (bless ’em) sold off the governor’s mansion back in mid-last century.

  62. 62.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 22, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Wisconsin’s is in the Village of Maple Bluff – virtually Madison, but not quite.

  63. 63.

    JoyfulA

    February 22, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Pennsylvania’s governor’s mansion was in Fort Indiantown Gap, in a whole different county from Harrisburg. After some decades of various governors’ complaints of how far away they lived from the office and how bad the commute was, etc., a new one was built not far from the Capitol.

    In the flood zone. So the first governor who lived in it had to evacuate it for a couple of weeks when a hundred-year flood hit.

  64. 64.

    Anne Laurie

    February 22, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    The original Pyewacket was one of the familiars of an English witch detected by Matthew Hopkins. He/she/it was an imp not a cat.

    I remember reading that ‘Pyewacket’ was also a slang term for the female genitalia — along the ever-popular folksong trope of going to the heather. Male hysteria about what women might be, um, getting up to when not strictly supervised was of course a large part of that Witchfinders craze…

  65. 65.

    PurpleGirl

    February 22, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    @NotMax: Back when I worked as a paralegal I spent several weeks going to insurance rate hearings at an office outside Princeton. Most of the time I stayed at a hotel at an office park. Yes, the Princeton area is beautiful.

  66. 66.

    Smiling Mortician

    February 22, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    @Corner Stone: I have laughed each time that one’s come up throughout my sporadic Olympics viewing.

  67. 67.

    Heliopause

    February 22, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    All rock stars are aging except the dead ones. Arguably, even them.

  68. 68.

    Cervantes

    February 22, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    @Kay:

    She goes to the underage girls thing later in the speech.

    And how:

    His values are not my values and I know his values aren’t yours. And, given the cozy relationship he has with an admitted sexual predator, his values are not Texas values.

  69. 69.

    Cervantes

    February 22, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    I remember reading that ‘Pyewacket’ was also a slang term for the female genitalia

    Do you recall where?

  70. 70.

    Cervantes

    February 22, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: And elsewhere.

  71. 71.

    Cervantes

    February 22, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    And I doubt he could articulate the Republican policy agenda on anything.

    And neither can John Boehner — so there’s that.

  72. 72.

    Cervantes

    February 22, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    @Baud: That was excellent. My hat is off.

  73. 73.

    Anne Laurie

    February 22, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    @Cervantes: I can tell you it was at least 40 years ago, but if I could track it any more closely I’d have included the attribution!

  74. 74.

    Cervantes

    February 22, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    @Anne Laurie: Thanks regardless.

  75. 75.

    PIGL

    February 22, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate: and then he should run into and threaten Hiro Protagonist.

  76. 76.

    Citizen Alan

    February 22, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    The ending of Bell, Book & Candle always saddened me. This powerful sexual woman, broken by love, abandoned by her familiar, and forced to wear shoes. I bet Jimmy Stewart made her sell the store and stay at home to bake cookies and raise kids.

  77. 77.

    Mnemosyne

    February 22, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    @Citizen Alan:

    I saw a really funny cartoon by a (lesbian) cartoonist where Gil uses her magic powers to turn Shep into a woman and they live happily ever after as witches together.

    Personally, I prefer I Married A Witch, which doesn’t require anyone to give up their powers for love.

  78. 78.

    BobS

    February 22, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    @Violet: Tagg Romney obviously doesn’t know shit about music. You could fill a radio station playlist 24/7 with truly great Detroit music without giving a second thought to Ted Nugent (okay, probably makes the list with a single song, Journey to the Center of the Mind as a member of the Amboy Dukes) or Kid Rock (just a fucking caricature of a rock star). Along with New Orleans, Memphis, and very few others, Detroit has been one of the premier cities of American music for decades- McKinney’s Cotton Pickers & Don Redman, John Lee Hooker, Jack Scott, the Jones brothers, Smokey Robinson, the Four Tops, the MC5, the Stooges, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, George Clinton, James Carter, Stevie Wonder, the White Stripes, Eminem, and a legion of others. Calling Ted Nugent and Kid Rock “great Detroit musicians” is a slight to all of the immortals who actually deserve the tag.

  79. 79.

    GregB

    February 22, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    Pud brothers, a pair of dicks if there ever was.

  80. 80.

    Ben

    February 23, 2014 at 12:48 am

    @BobS:
    Not to mention Death

  81. 81.

    Fred

    February 23, 2014 at 5:27 am

    I used to like The Amboy Dukes back in the day but then I liked Iron Butterfly too. My only excuse is I was a kid.
    Does Nugent buy those camouflage cowboy hats by the case? Seems like he’s been wearing the same damn one for near forty years. That kind of anal retentive smacks of pro wrestler costume more than musician chic. Guess it beats getting a job.

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