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You are here: Home / Open Threads / The best advertisement for legalized pot EVER

The best advertisement for legalized pot EVER

by Soonergrunt|  March 1, 20148:38 am| 80 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, The War on Your Neighbor, aka the War on Drugs, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All

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In 2003,  Lamb and Lynx Gaede, 11-year-old twins were the white nationalist pop duo “Prussian Blue,” named after their blue eyes and the infamous chemical poison used to kill Jews and other enemies of the Nazi regime during World War II.

Today, the twins, aged 20, have renounced their lifelong teaching and according to Lamb, “My sister and I are pretty liberal now.”  The primary reason?  Pot. Mary Jane. Blunts. Spliffs. Wacky Weed.

One of the sisters, Lynx, contracted cancer at age 14, and after lots of different pain medications for her treatment, started using pot medicinally after getting a medical marijuana card.  Lamb, who had scoliosis and chronic back pain aquired a card as well, and it led to the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

They said the drug has reignited their creativity, which they now channel in other ways, such as painting.

‘We just want to come from a place of love and light,’ Lamb said, adding, ‘I think we’re meant to do something more – we’re healers. We just want to exert the most love and positivity we can.’

I can’t think of a better reason to legalize pot than that it would have the effect of reversing years of radical indoctrination for some users, and while we’re at it, we can tax the shit out of it.  Even Oklahoma has bills in the legislature to legalize the sale, possession, and use of pot that stand a fair chance of passing due to the potential tax revenue.  We’ll go down fighting on gay rights, but we’ll do it with red eyes and a case of the munchies.

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  1. 1.

    JPL

    March 1, 2014 at 8:47 am

    hmmmm… The twins need to read a few history books..

    Asked whether the Holocaust happened, Lynx replied, ‘I think certain things happened. I think a lot of the stories got misconstrued. I mean, yeah, Hitler wasn’t the best, but Stalin wasn’t, Churchill wasn’t. I disagree with everybody at that time.’ Lamb added: ‘I just think everyone needs to frickin’ get over it. That’s what I think.’

  2. 2.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    March 1, 2014 at 8:50 am

    Want to make prison violence go away? Hand out joints at every meal. Bang! Just like that prison violence would significantly decrease if it didn’t disappear. Of course, we would have to increase the Cheetos budget.

  3. 3.

    c u n d gulag

    March 1, 2014 at 8:53 am

    I’d be curious to hear what their parent’s say about this.
    After all, these twins weren’t born racist @$$holes.
    Are their parent’s fuming?
    Or did they have a change, due to their daughter’s change?

  4. 4.

    Neutron Flux

    March 1, 2014 at 8:53 am

    We’ll go down fighting on gay rights, but we’ll do it with red eyes and a case of the munchies.

    I understand that this is a serious thing, but I just smiled and chortled when I read that. I hope the bills pass. Oklahoma is closer to me than Colorado. I am free to mention this as I am now retired from the nuclear business.

  5. 5.

    JPL

    March 1, 2014 at 8:58 am

    Cole told us no more cookies.

  6. 6.

    Cervantes

    March 1, 2014 at 9:18 am

    We just want to come from a place of love and light.

    Don’t we all, my little Lamb, don’t we all?

    (PS: Should we send them a WWII bibliography?)

  7. 7.

    Soonergrunt

    March 1, 2014 at 9:18 am

    @JPL: Baby steps, brother. Baby steps. You don’t undo a lifetime’s worth of indoctrination very quickly.

  8. 8.

    MikeJ

    March 1, 2014 at 9:21 am

    I’m somewhat surprised that none of the reservations that sell tax free smokes have expanded their inventory to include MJ.

  9. 9.

    Schlemizel

    March 1, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Carlin did a routine about pot that included the line “then pot swept the neighborhood – and gang fights went away man”

    So its not a recently noticed phenomenon. But I do wonder what the long-term impact would be on a society that replaced booze with grass.

  10. 10.

    GregB

    March 1, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh must be crushed that Prussian Blue has broken up.

  11. 11.

    Linda Featheringill

    March 1, 2014 at 9:23 am

    @Soonergrunt:

    The illness might have been more enlightening than the weed.

  12. 12.

    MikeJ

    March 1, 2014 at 9:26 am

    @GregB: Nugent’s just upset that they’re not 14 years old any more.

  13. 13.

    TR

    March 1, 2014 at 9:27 am

    @GregB:

    No, they’re crushed that the girls hit puberty and are now past the age of consent.

  14. 14.

    RuhRow_Gyro

    March 1, 2014 at 9:28 am

    If the twins were aged 11 in the year 2003, they would be aged either 21 or 22 in the year 2014. They would not be 20 years old.

    Marijuana is not good for the brain.

  15. 15.

    pluege

    March 1, 2014 at 9:29 am

    I would think that free-flowing pot is likely to make at least as many paranoids as it does peace, love, and joy “healers”. And heightened paranoia in all those gun fetishists in CO and OK is not likely to have a good outcome.

  16. 16.

    Cervantes

    March 1, 2014 at 9:30 am

    @Schlemizel:

    But I do wonder what the long-term impact would be on a society that replaced booze with grass.

    An old friend, Ed Brecher, looked at this question a long time ago. Here is a copy of his report available via Powell’s. (I see that this particular copy is “heavily underlined”…)

    PS: I should say that your question is covered in one chapter (“58: Can marijuana replace alcohol?”); the rest of the book addresses other questions.

  17. 17.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 1, 2014 at 9:30 am

    OT, but….

    Vulnerable man starved to death after benefits were cutTed Cruz to conservatives everywhere: “See? Now that’s how it’s done!”

  18. 18.

    Fuzzy

    March 1, 2014 at 9:31 am

    I will never pay attention to the “wise” thoughts of a twenty year old. Gimme a break.

  19. 19.

    FVB

    March 1, 2014 at 9:36 am

    @Fuzzy:
    Ready for some wise old men on “Meet the Press” tomorrow? Maybe McCain will be on!

  20. 20.

    Raenelle

    March 1, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Uh, regarding taxing the shit out of it. I have chronic pain, and I’ve found only one effective pain reliever that is at once both non-addictive and non-toxic. It’s MEDICINE. Medicare doesn’t cover it, though. And you think it’s a good idea to tax the shit out of it?

  21. 21.

    Soonergrunt

    March 1, 2014 at 9:38 am

    @RuhRow_Gyro: The article is from June, 2012.

    @Fuzzy: Never said they were “wise.” Just that pot had made them different.

  22. 22.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 1, 2014 at 9:40 am

    @Soonergrunt: RuhRow_Gyro’s next complaint: the posting of articles from 2012.

  23. 23.

    Joel

    March 1, 2014 at 9:41 am

    Judging from the picture, they need more munchies. I recommend Funyuns.

  24. 24.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 1, 2014 at 9:44 am

    @Joel: Bad health and bad breath?

  25. 25.

    A Ghost To Most

    March 1, 2014 at 9:46 am

    @Raenelle:

    Here in CO, pot is taxed low for medical, and much higher for retail.

  26. 26.

    IowaOldLady

    March 1, 2014 at 9:53 am

    @JPL: Both sides do it?

    I am so sick of the cold. My hands and feet are cracking. I actually leave bloody smears on the bathroom floor.

  27. 27.

    jenn

    March 1, 2014 at 9:55 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: What a sad story. I couldn’t help but wonder, though, as I read the family criticizing (justifiably) the governmental process that helped lead to this – where were they? Sure, their mentally ill brother was too proud to ask for help from his family, but if he was so badly off, why weren’t they checking up on him from time to time?

  28. 28.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 1, 2014 at 9:56 am

    @IowaOldLady: Meh. My complaint is that there has been a 20-30 mph wind blowing since the beginning of December. It does vary in direction though, so I guess that’s a plus.

  29. 29.

    droog

    March 1, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Have you ever looked at a swastika?

    I mean, like,

    really looked?

  30. 30.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 1, 2014 at 9:59 am

    @IowaOldLady: Owww… that is a problem.

  31. 31.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 1, 2014 at 10:04 am

    @jenn: Yeah, that was my second thought too.

  32. 32.

    Ferdzy

    March 1, 2014 at 10:24 am

    @IowaOldLady:

    I have that problem too, sometimes, at least on my feet. Get an old pair of socks, and when you go to bed slather Vaseline on your feet, then put the socks on and wear them all night. You may need to repeat this for several nights if your feet are really bad. But it is amazingly good at helping them heal up.

    If you can get a big tube of Polysporin, that might be even better, but the Vaseline will work.

  33. 33.

    JPL

    March 1, 2014 at 10:29 am

    @Ferdzy: You should only use polysporin for a few days though.

  34. 34.

    maya

    March 1, 2014 at 10:30 am

    Waddaya know, an instant panacea for all our social and worldly woes – legalize MJ.

    To paraphrase that great seer of American politics, Herbert Hoover, ” They’ll be pot in every chicken.”

  35. 35.

    Gex

    March 1, 2014 at 10:31 am

    @pluege: A certain amount of the paranoia around pot is caused by it’s illegality though. Make it legal, and there are a lot of people I know who would allow themselves to enjoy it who don’t like to partake in it now because they get too afraid of getting caught when they use.

  36. 36.

    IowaOldLady

    March 1, 2014 at 10:32 am

    @Ferdzy: Thanks. I’ll give it a try.

    My hope is that I’ll wake up tomorrow and it will be 60 degress.

  37. 37.

    FVB

    March 1, 2014 at 10:32 am

    I had the same cracked hands and feet problem (symptom of psoriatic arthritis). No lotions worked. After I started with methotrexate it went away.

  38. 38.

    Gex

    March 1, 2014 at 10:35 am

    @Raenelle: No, OBVIOUSLY it is much better to have it completely unavailable to patients and consumers by keeping things the way they were.

  39. 39.

    briber

    March 1, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Best product ever:

    I’ve used the hand cream for years. The foot cream is just as good. Buy it at your local hardware store. (I’m not kidding here, I have purchased this product from Home Depot, Ace Hardware, Menards & Harbor Freight Tools)

  40. 40.

    gene108

    March 1, 2014 at 10:42 am

    @droog:

    Have you ever looked at a swastika?

    I mean, like,

    really looked?

    ????????????????????????????

    The Swastika is an ancient symbol, which unfortunately got co-opted by Nazi’s.

    If there’s a symbol out there that’s about “heritage not hate”, I think the Swastika should be on the list because none of the people – Hindus and Buddhists, mostly – who have Swastikas as part of their heritage had anything to do with Nazi’s and would not be eligible to be part of the Master Race because of high melanin content in their epidermis.

  41. 41.

    doug r

    March 1, 2014 at 10:48 am

    @Gex: Yes!

  42. 42.

    Soonergrunt

    March 1, 2014 at 10:49 am

    @gene108: Some of the buildings at University of Oklahoma that were built before WWII have these symbols carved in stone because it’s also a power symbol in some Native American religions. They have been covered over.
    The 45th Infantry Division (now 45th Inf Brigade) used to have this symbol as its insignia before the Nazis took it for their use.

  43. 43.

    Schlemizel

    March 1, 2014 at 10:50 am

    @gene108:

    It was an MJ joke.

  44. 44.

    Soonergrunt

    March 1, 2014 at 10:51 am

    @Raenelle: If you hold that bonafide medicinal use should be taxed at a lower rate, or even not at all, I’d agree with that. But that’s not the VAST majority of purchases in jurisdictions where it is legal.

  45. 45.

    Cervantes

    March 1, 2014 at 10:52 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I found my copy of Sixty to Zero, which discusses DeLorean and the Corvair. Left you a comment in that thread.

  46. 46.

    Cervantes

    March 1, 2014 at 10:54 am

    @gene108: Pretty funny, really, considering who the “Aryans” actually were.

  47. 47.

    Schlemizel

    March 1, 2014 at 10:54 am

    @briber:

    I have had eczema and the blisters leave my hand cracked & bleeding. The dermatologist said to stay away from cortisone, aloe and vitamin E as all 3 dry your skin out. Neutrogena hand cream is great. You don’t have to use very much but it does help tame the worst of it

  48. 48.

    JoyfulA

    March 1, 2014 at 10:55 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: And the link to a woman in a coma ordering her to report to “intensive” job training.

    It’s Ronnie and Maggie together again.

  49. 49.

    Mnemosyne

    March 1, 2014 at 10:58 am

    @Soonergrunt:

    There are swastikas all over Southern California — this pond in Pasadena was built in 1906.

    Many people don’t realize that the Nazis hijacked an existing symbol that was familiar to a lot of people to create their flags, but frankly that’s pretty much how they always operated — steal stuff from other people and claim it was yours all along.

  50. 50.

    Amir Khalid

    March 1, 2014 at 11:00 am

    @Soonergrunt:
    There’s also a risk, I would think, that recreational pot users might resort to pestering doctors for prescriptions, and that some unscrupulous doctors might start selling pot prescriptions.

  51. 51.

    Mnemosyne

    March 1, 2014 at 11:00 am

    @Schlemizel:

    The Aveeno Eczema Care cream is also really good. It won’t get rid of existing eczema for me (prescription cream seems to be the only thing that will do that), but it doesn’t irritate the skin and keeps the lesions from returning once the prescription cream gets them to leave.

  52. 52.

    Robert Sneddon

    March 1, 2014 at 11:01 am

    @gene108: Swastikas appear on Google maps if you’re looking at Japanese towns and cities as they are used as a marker for temples and shrines.

  53. 53.

    gene108

    March 1, 2014 at 11:03 am

    @Schlemizel:

    It was an MJ joke

    MJ?

    Sorry for being not up on all the acronyms.

  54. 54.

    Raenelle

    March 1, 2014 at 11:37 am

    @Gex: I see your point. We shouldn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Baby steps. Legal is good.

    OTOH, I don’t think we ought to be going at this the way Obama went at the budget deal–opening with all the compromises he was willing to make. If, in order to get it legalized, we must submit to a sin tax, OK. But as the opening proffer? From its supporters?

  55. 55.

    Laertes

    March 1, 2014 at 11:45 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’ve heard many people say that many people don’t know the history of the swastika. I’ve never met anyone who didn’t know the history of the swastika. I think everyone likes thinking they’re smarter than everyone else, and it flatters one’s ego to imagine that one knows something that many others don’t know, so people are ready to believe that some widely-known fact isn’t nearly so widely-known.

  56. 56.

    Origuy

    March 1, 2014 at 11:54 am

    @gene108: Marijuana. The line “Have you ever look at…” is a play on how stoned people are supposed to talk. I don’t remember ever saying that, but then I wouldn’t would I?

    There are swastikas in the tiles on the walls of the Men’s Gymnasium at Indian University. I remember seeing them when I went there as a kid for swimming lessons. When I went back there last year, they had put up a sign explaining them. The building went up in 1917.

  57. 57.

    Origuy

    March 1, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    That’s Indiana University, of course.

  58. 58.

    Smiling Mortician

    March 1, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    @gene108: MJ = marijuana.

    Also too, was anybody else here hanging out at Sadly No during the great Prussian Blue thread? It’s going on like 9 years of comments now.

  59. 59.

    Ian

    March 1, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    @Raenelle:
    Taxing the shit out of it is a great idea. Besides, its still cheaper on the black market, so if you need it on the cheap :P

  60. 60.

    briber

    March 1, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    @gene108:

    this is a classic tv trope

    read the entry for Doonesbury

  61. 61.

    Soonergrunt

    March 1, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    @Amir Khalid: True. But that’s illegal, and pretty tightly controlled already.

  62. 62.

    Dave

    March 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    @Ian: That’s the thing though taxing it is fine but you don’t want to tax it so much that the black market remains viable. It defeats a good portion of the purpose of legalization.

  63. 63.

    Mnemosyne

    March 1, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    @Laertes:

    I’ve never met anyone who didn’t know the history of the swastika.

    If you’ve never met anyone who didn’t know the history of the swastika, why does my city get complaints every year that certain lampposts that were put up 1924 have “Nazi” symbols on them?

  64. 64.

    Mnemosyne

    March 1, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    @Raenelle:

    If, in order to get it legalized, we must submit to a sin tax, OK.

    Every other legal drug, including tobacco and alcohol, has “sin taxes” attached to it. Why should marijuana be exempt?

  65. 65.

    catclub

    March 1, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    @c u n d gulag: I can’t imagine teenage girls doing something that enrages their parents.

  66. 66.

    catclub

    March 1, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne: “Every other legal drug, including tobacco and alcohol, has “sin taxes” attached to it.”

    Not sure about aspirin. Also not sure about Vicodin and Oxycontin. I could go on.

  67. 67.

    villageidiocy

    March 1, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    @IowaOldLady:
    I’ve had good luck with Bag Balm, which I’ve recommended to great success to a couple friends with persistent finger cracks. My aunt on the high plains of Casper, WY had a tub of it next to her kitchen sink. If it works in that dry climate, it should work for you too.

  68. 68.

    Arclite

    March 1, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    We’ll go down fighting on gay rights, but we’ll do it with red eyes and a case of the munchies

    Hahahahaha. So funny.

    Well, given that most of the teatards and wingnutariat are white males, I suppose there was always hope for those girls to turn it around. Glad they did.

    Shame about their illnesses though. I hope they can turn them around. Also, how bizarre for both of them to acquire such different but severe illnesses so young. What are the chances?

  69. 69.

    NCSteve

    March 1, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    All becomes clear . . .

    The sisters now say, however, they simply didn’t know better.

    Lynx, a painter and furniture restorer who still lives at home with her mother, said: ‘My sister and I were home-schooled. We were these country bumpkins. We spent most of our days up on the hill playing with our goats.’

    Lamb, now a hotel maid who lives nearby, echoed: ‘I was just spouting a lot of knowledge that I had no idea what I was saying.

    ***

    Lamb and Lynx said enrolling in public school and moving to northwest Montana has helped them become more open-minded.

  70. 70.

    Thlayli

    March 1, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    The only sad thing about this story is Steve Gilliard (RIP&FtFY)’s prediction that they’d both have mixed-race babies by now hasn’t panned out.

  71. 71.

    Ken deFarmer

    March 1, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    Not to be nutpicking (yeah, yeah), but Prussian Blue is NOT an “infamous chemical used by the Nazis”. It’s a frickin’ pretty blue dye used by machinists to paint a metal piece before scribing lines showing them where to machine it. Used it plenty back in them “old days”, hope it’s not toxic.

  72. 72.

    Arclite

    March 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    @Ken deFarmer: Ken, you’re right it’s not the chemical itself, that was Zyklon B. But Prussian blue residue sometimes forms after using Zyklon B, but not always. The lack of Prussian blue in some gas chambers is used as evidence by Holocaust deniers that it didn’t take place. The girls actually referenced it directly:

    “there is also the discussion of the lack of ‘Prussian Blue’ coloring (Zyklon B residue) in the so-called gas chambers in the concentration camps. We think it might make people question some of the inaccuracies of the ‘Holocaust’ myth.”

  73. 73.

    Ken deFarmer

    March 1, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    @Arclite: Now THAT’s nutpicking! My tell to the deniers is this: My father was a CC liberator in the war. I don’t think I’ll ever forget the day he told me about what he saw.

  74. 74.

    Raenelle

    March 1, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Because it’s also medicine. And it’s not nearly as harmful as alcohol or tobacco. It’s more like Tylenol . . . if Tylenol were non-toxic. Does Tylenol have a sin tax on it?

    Actually, until it becomes possible in this country to tax our rich people, I don’t really have the patience to mull over the advantages of any other taxes.

    If, to get pot legalized, we have to submit to a huge tax, it’s worth it. But don’t pretend to me that it’s the right thing to do in and of itself. Pot smokers–medical or recreational–are not the big tax balkers in this country. Once we’re back to taxing the riches around 70% or more, and once we’ve quit funding a military to go around the world to protect corporations–once those two are done, maybe it would be time to consider some “sin” taxes on the 99%.

  75. 75.

    BruceJ

    March 1, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    @The Ancient Randonneur: Green Cheetos for Five-Star Joe’s jail in Maricopa…

  76. 76.

    J R in WV

    March 1, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    We had a neighbor, Don, who’s bull bred our milk cow. He was a serious Christian who enjoyed debating Bible verses with anyone.

    While we visited with him, he told us of being in the infantry in WW II and occupying a concentration camp. The look in his eyes was like he had been there yesterday! This was in about 1978 – 80, so at least 35 years after the events he was remembering.

    He told us that being just GIs they gave the survivors candy bars and other foods from their C-Rations, which in many cases killed the recipient, as they were too far gone for anything but warm broth.

    Once the medics caught up, they began to turn the situation around. I believe they killed as many prisoners with starvation and exposure as they did with the death camps.

    Don was pretty old back then, if he was still alive he would have to be 110. He went to the bank, gave them his deed to his farm they had the mortgage on, and said “See you later, I’m going to Florida!” He was a character, they don’t make them like that any more.

  77. 77.

    Astor Column

    March 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    I hate being around potheads. Except Nazi potheads who’ve turned into happy, huggy hippies.

  78. 78.

    Cervantes

    March 1, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    @J R in WV:

    I believe they killed as many prisoners with starvation and exposure as they did with the death camps.

    Far more Jews (for example) were killed outside the death camps than within.

  79. 79.

    Cervantes

    March 1, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    @Ken deFarmer:

    Used it plenty back in them “old days”, hope it’s not toxic.

    Pretty safe, yes.

  80. 80.

    Joey Giraud

    March 2, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    @Raenelle:

    What you said.

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