This kind of shocked me, because the guy is a clear sociopath, but he really nails this:
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn’t enough to say I don’t agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It’s not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It’s not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn’t recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this.
And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don’t and you don’t recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it.
Gobsmacked.
BTW- has anyone started a list of the conservative heroes who have all flamed out? Let’s start a comprehensive list of these assclowns, their praise, and their imminent demise. Joe the Plumber and the witch from Delaware and Snowball Snooki and that idiot who makes that shitty pizza whose name I can not remember are a good start.
SuperHrefna
I think Herman Cain was the shitty pizza guy
SiubhanDuinne
Paula Deen?
Edit: To add to the list, I mean, not the shitty pizza maker. Although I’ve never had Paula Deen’s pizza, so who knows?
Edit/Random Thought: Whatever happened to the commenter who used to go by the handle “Freshly Ground Black People” or similar?
SIA
Greg Abbott, teabaggin’ candidate for guvnor of Texas. Big Bundy supporter.
SIA
@SuperHrefna: no, it’s a white guy, owns Papa Johns. Teabag asshole.
SuperHrefna
Trying to think of more bozos. Let’s see, there was Ted “racist loon” Nugent, George “murdered a child” Zimmerman, and a whole barrelful of homophobic preachers who’ve been caught on the down low.
SuperHrefna
@SIA: there are TWO shitty pizza guys? The right wing really is crazy.
rk
I prefer Bundy to Charles Krauthammer. People like Krauthammer say the same things as Bundy except they use more sophisticated language. Karuthammer is far more dangerous than Bundy.
SiubhanDuinne
@SIA:
Hey, SIA, how are you? Haven’t seen you in ages!
beltane
@SuperHrefna: Not only are they crazy, they can’t make decent pizza.
Redshift
Sorry, Chuckles, you’re a member of the Cleek’s Law movement whether you like it or not. An “oppositionist stance” is all conservatism is.
Omnes Omnibus
Who is the Chuck with whom the Cabbage Hammer agrees? Link?
SIA
@SuperHrefna: right! Herman Cain is the 999 shitty pizza guy. Papa John guy has made asshole comments about ACA.
mdblanche
Don’t feel bad, John. Nobody else remembers the name of that idiot who makes that shitty pizza either.
SIA
@SiubhanDuinne: hi SD. Good to see you! I’m doing fine, been on twitter mostly but still read here daily. What’s Up with you?
trollhattan
George Zimmerman is working on it.
Omnes Omnibus
All of them, Katie.
smintheus
There’s the Philly Cheese-steak bigot, whose name I’ve blotted from memory.
mclaren
BTW- has anyone started a list of the liberal heroes who have all flamed out? Let’s start a comprehensive list of these assclowns, their praise, and their imminent demise. Barack Obama (who ran against federal drug crackdowns and an endless unwinnable foreign war and against mandates and against walls street corruption and for the public option and who wound up expanding federal drug cracks and perpetuating an endless unwinnable foreign war in Afghanistan and shutting down the public option and forcing mandates on the public and refusing to prosecute even one single financial crime lord), Hillary Clinton (who ran against financial corruption and in favor of transparency and integrity in government and who wound up giving a paid speech to Goldman Sachs in which she now says “bashing banks is unproductive” and “has to stop” while her daughter winds up married to a Goldman Sachs hedge fund manager) and Joe Lieberman (does anyone need to say anything about that asshole?) and that idiot who got the blowjob in the oval office whose name I can not remember are a good start.
beltane
I for one would like to see Charles Krauthammer attempt to graze sheep in Central Park.
Robert Waldmann
As you say Krauthammer is a sociopath. He isn’t an idiot conservative like Sean Hannity. He is smart enough to know that standing with Cliven Bundy is stupid. He is also a hawk which makes him a supporter of the DOD a huge part of the US Federal Government. Since he is a sociopath, I have no idea what his true beliefs and aims are, but he is smart enough to know that attacking Cliven Bundy will help him achieve them.
The Pizza guy is a challenge. I think you mean Herman Cain and are noting the fact that @he was the pizza guy who sought the Republican nomination in 2012 etc” stumped Jeopardy contestants. But you might mean Domino’s Pizza founder Tom Monaghan. There is something about conservatives and crappy pizza.
Others in the Witch league of course include Joe Miller who convinced Alaskans to learn how to spell Murkowski (sp???) to keep him out of the Senate. Also Ken Buck, Sharon Angle, Richard Mourdock, Todd Aiken, Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich who has flamed out a few dozen times. I think counting politicians is cheating.
James O’ Keefe is a noted conservative hero, misleading video editor, senator’s phone tapper, and sexual harasser of another conservative and a CNN journalist.
Violet
How about Todd Aiken, the “legitimate rape” guy who ran against Claire McCaskill?
Don’t forget the Duck Dynasty guy.
TooManyJens
Countdown to Krauthammer being called a liberal RINO in 3..2..1..
@beltane:
I feel like that should be a euphemism for something.
Jim C.
A, by no means comprehensive, list that people can feel free to add to:
Joe the Plumber – The everyman hero
Sarah Palin – Starbursts
Herman Cain – Nine, Nine, Nine! (No, not the video game.)
Michelle Bachmann – Former presidential frontrunner and a WOMAN. Take that Hillary!
Ben Carson – See, we’re not racist we have another black guy
Dinish D’Souza – See , we’re REALLY not racist we have a sorta Asian guy minority
Bobby Jindahl – Look, enough with the racism accusations.. Not sure what Jindahl is…maybe another Asian guy?
Marco Rubio – We even have a token latino guy.
Christine O’Odonnel – We’re also not misogynistic OR Christian Fundamentalist. We have both a woman and a witch.
Todd Akin – Okay, maybe we’re a LITTLE misogynistic
Richerd Mourdock – Maybe a lot.
Rick Santorum – Maybe a bit Christian Fundamentalist
Sam Brownback – Okay, maybe a lot
Mike Huckabee – Okay, we get the point already.
Sharron Angle – Time to change the subject…we’re free market!. Chickens for health care.
Allen West – Don’t forget we aren’t racist.
Rick Perry – We also are really smart. Can count to three and everything.
Cliven Bundy – To bring us back full circle, we represent middle america/the every(white)man out there.
I’m depressing myself at this point. There is drinking to be done and then preparing my body for Dark Souls 2: PC version. Carry on.
SiubhanDuinne
@SIA:
Retired and loving it. Volunteering with Michelle Nunn’s campaign, doing stuff with the Met Opera broadcasts (next season), heading for Canada in a few days.
Would love to get together for lunch with you, JPL, Karen in GA one of these days. Do you still have my email?
Mike in NC
@SIA: Asshole is John Schnatter, an evangelical anti-labor creep. Other conservatives who flamed out include one Adolph Hitler and his entire entourage, Joe McCarthy, Dick Nixon, Bill Buckley, Lester Maddox, George C. Wallace, etc.
SuperHrefna
I’m never going to get to sleep if I keep playing this game :-) Orly “birth certificate” Taitz, Joe “unconstitutional” Arpaio, Ted “Canadian” Cruz, Glenn “psychotic breakdown” Beck, Rush “pill popping” Limbaugh and most recently Vladimir “KGB” Putin….
Omnes Omnibus
@SuperHrefna: Just use this. It will be easier.
@Omnes Omnibus: @ Cole:Thanks for adding the link
Howard Beale IV
@Robert Waldmann: Dominos Pizza actually got marginally better when they redid their pizza sauce 4-5 years back, long after Monaghan sold out and they went out on their own.
Weird – Metro Detroit is the home for so many different pizza outfits (Dominso, Little Sleazers, Hungry Howie’s, Jet’s….)
NotMax
Off the top o’ the noggin, would add in:
Alan Keyes
Sue Lowden
Allen West
Duck Dynasty
Mark Clayton
Susanne Atanus
Drew Turiano
Ralph Reed
David Duke
(possibly) Gary Bauer
? Martin
Call me when he says two not-stupid things in a row. I won’t hold my breath.
amk
@Jim C.: Why did you stop? Being depressed isn’t good enough. Also. Too. Drinking.
Violet
Has anyone mentioned Tim Tebow yet?
SuperHrefna
@Robert Waldmann: I’d forgotten about Domino’s Pizza. Wow. That makes THREE shitty pizza guys. We may be onto a law as solid as the crazification factor here…
beltane
I would add Rudy Giuliani and Liz Cheney to the list of conservative flame-outs. Unfortunately, flaming out is not an option for the SCOTUS conservatives.
SatanicPanic
Conservative heroes who have flamed out?
Robert E Lee
Jefferson Davis
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Joe McCarthy
Henry Kissinger
Dick Cheney
ETA
George Kuster
Mussolini
And you know who flamed out in a bunker with his girlfriend?
NotMax
@Jim C.
Minor correction.
Angle was “second amendment remedies.” Lowden was “pay ’em with chickens.”
One more addition: Dan Clevenger
patrick II
The problem conservatives have with Bundy isn’t his racism — it is his overt racism. Disenfranchisement of black voters will continue as scheduled.
? Martin
@Howard Beale IV:
Yes, there are so many things you would wipe with it now.
Jim C.
@NotMax: I stand corrected. So hard to keep track.
NotMax
Heh. Nearly forgot about Michael D. (Heckuva job, Brownie) Brown.
cthulhu
@Jim C.: Pretty good list though I suspect that Huckabee and Perry still have some life left in them. The only other “respectable” ones on the list, Rubio and Jindal, are probably down for the count even if they don’t yet accept it.
GregB
Linda Tripp.
Morton Downey Jr.
Armstong Williams
azlib
Krauthammer’s columns are usually so predictable and he usually spouts the conservative conventional wisdom. Maybe the guy who gives all the conservative pundits their talking points finally realized supporting Bundy is a totally losing proposition.
Bubblegum Tate
@GregB:
Wow, I haven’t heard that name in a hot minute. That guy’s show was something else.
Culture of Truth
Government overreach!!
Also, necocon meets nutjob — let the battle begin!!
SuperHrefna
@Culture of Truth: I’d bet on sheep to outgraze cattle any day! Cows are really pretty delicate but sheep are sturdy little buggers. Persistent too.
GregB
@Bubblegum Tate:
What are you? A pablum puking liberal?
Morton must have inspired young Republican Ashley Todd on to her 15 minutes of Gooperstardom.
patrick II
For Conservatives with brains, like Krauthammer, Bundy’s statement is an opportunity to make a big display of how they are not racists. It’s show business.
SuperHrefna
@azlib: When even Glenn Beck is going around telling people that Bundy is no folk hero you know that the powers that be are busily trying to stuff cats back into bags…
The problem is that Bundy has a substantial natural constituency in this country, all his fellow domestic terrorists, and the powers that be have no more idea what to do with them now than they did back in the days of Timothy McVeigh.
NotMax
@Bubblegum Tate
As he died over a decade ago, suspect there isn’t any life in him to speak of in any sense.
May as well drag up the corpse of Father Coughlin.
ruemara
Yeah, blind squirrel + nut. But let’s be honest, he doesn’t disagree with Bundy, he just has enough combination of evil and intellect, to know he shouldn’t say what Bundy says in public, on the tv machine. So fuck his evil ass.
Omnes Omnibus
@ruemara:
I prefer not to.
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
Ah, the Bartleby gambit.
:·)
srv
John, why are you so bigoted towards sociopaths? Some of them can’t help it. It’s not like you can help being born that way.
The Bundy’s of the world have to spend years becoming that way. Charlie just can’t help it.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: When needed, I use it.
Bubblegum Tate
@GregB:
Ha! I took his schtick as basically being a politically tinged heel wrestler.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@Howard Beale IV: @? Martin:
Domino’s didn’t exactly go off on their own. Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital bought out Monaghan, then took it public with Bain vet (and the man who ran Romney’s campaign in Michigan) David Brandon as the front man. They found a few ways to take the franchisees to the cleaners, as they did with Dunkin’ Donuts.
Cpl Cam
There’s the Idahoan with the wide stance and the guy who used to like playing tickle-me-house-page. I’m terrible with names but I’m pretty sure the Papa John’s guy who said obamacare would raise the price of his shitty pizza 15 cents was actually named john something-or-other. Go figure. I’m not sure he’s flamed out though. I think he’s still hocking terrible pizza.
? Martin
@Bubblegum Tate: Maddow reminded everyone of him a year ago in a long windup in a piece about the NRA. It was a particularly good piece, too, showing how the NRA is nothing more than a front group for the gun manufacturers.
WaynersT
Jeff Guckert/ Gannon – whatever happened to that guy?
The gay preacher caught with the meth and the male hooker –
Jonathan Krohn – right wing kid savant
ha even David Brock kind of blew up in their faces.
I think Ben carson is next on this list – something seriously off with that guy.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@Cpl Cam:
Larry Whatshisname wasn’t exactly the kind of guy the GOP was flouting at the national level, though. Ditto for Mark Foley.
Villago Delenda Est
Yup, fascist asswipes like Krauthammer are going to let Bundy twist slowly, slowly in the wind.
Krauthammer is a cur. Like everyone else who appears on Faux Noise.
Bob In Portland
That Filipina commentator who always says racist stuff.
Omnes Omnibus
@Bob In Portland: She is a Gehlen plant.
West of the Rockies
Is there a big-name conservative pundit more stupid than Hannity? If so, I can’t name him/her. They are reprehensible, but Limbaugh, Coulter, Miller, even Beck have some gray matter.
Villago Delenda Est
I might note that it wasn’t for that inconvenient antisemitism fixation, Krauthammer would have no problems at all with that central European regime of the 30’s and 40’s. They were, after all, militantly anti-communist. What’s not to like about them?
mai naem
Don Rumsfeld
Ahnold Schwarzenegger
Too early to add Chris Christie???
Villago Delenda Est
@Bob In Portland: Michelle Malkin. Anchor baby.
West of the Rockies
Anyone else get a Grima Wormtongue vibe from Charles?
Omnes Omnibus
@Villago Delenda Est: “Mein Fuehrer, I can walk!”
Omnes Omnibus
@Villago Delenda Est: Well, of course, you have to know that she was planted by the Gehlen Org. many years ago. Bob knows that they have pretty much controlled everything since 1945. LaRouchies are such fun.
GregB
Carson/Bundy 2016!
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
It’s Charles Lane of the Washington Post, as seen in the video at the linked Media Matters piece.
ETA: Apparently Cole added the link later.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: I suspected that, but the link wasn’t originally present.
Villago Delenda Est
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh, that is wicked….
Chris
@Omnes Omnibus:
It’s funny when you realize that the entire worldview is basically the plot of the Captain America movie that just came out this month.
Villago Delenda Est
@West of the Rockies: Hannity is not only a moran, he’s got one of the most punchable faces of any of the Faux Noise personalities. It SCREAMS to be hit several times with a Louisville Slugger.
waspuppet
Yeah, good for Krauthammer, but why don’t any Democrats or liberals talk like that? It’s all “disappointing” and “shocking” and “I demand an apology.”
Trigger warning:
I get apoplectic at Sullivan’s ability to never go away, but you know why? Because he’s not the world’s greatest writer or talker, but he talks like this. Flame him all you like – I do too – but the man went on a Sunday show before the 2012 election, looked at an Electoral College projection map and said on air that Romney’s support came from the Confederacy. And when someone got all outraged, he didn’t apologize.
I didn’t mean to make this about him, but really, outside of Alan Grayson, the best criticisms of conservatives come from conservatives. And I hate that.
Villago Delenda Est
I’ve noticed that Noisemax has stop headlining Bundy stories.
Cliven Bundy will soon be an unperson in the Conservatard Media.
mdblanche
@Villago Delenda Est: Doubleplus good.
wasabi gasp
Pastor Terry Jones
Arclite
I had a revelation about Conservatives after hearing about a Kraut op/ed in support of more mental health care after Sandy Hook. Kraut is a psychiatrist, so he knows this, and is able to make the right decision on it. And the Darth Cheney on gay marriage, since his daughter is gay. When they have deep experience, they make better choices. When they have no experience, they make dogmatic choices.
Plantsmantx
Bundy’s views on “race” (black people) are typical among conservatives- completely mainstream.
OzarkHillbilly
Todd Akin.
hoodie
Why this reflexive need to quote some conservative charlatan who once in blue moon expresses something you agree with? Is it some need for Daddy’s affirmation? Krauthammer is no idiot and he’s distancing himself from Bundy because Bundy is radioactive after those remarks. If Bundy hadn’t made those remarks, Krauthammer would likely have been a loyal Fox soldier and member of the amen chorus with Hannity, irrespective of all the stuff about Bundy not recognizing the federal government. Ideological consistency is not a requirement at Fox. One wingnut who saw this coming was Beck, who probably has more intimate knowledge of the open racism of the posse commitatus/sovereign citizen subculture and knew that this would eventually be revealed and embarrass anyone involved. Krauthammer may or may have known the same, you’d have to see if he made prior statements or was conspicuously silent. A lot of Foxers apparently didn’t, which isn’t all that surprising considering they just care about fleecing the rubes and could care less about the details.
Patricia Kayden
Why did Krauthammer wait until after Bundy made racist comments on camera before condemning the Conservatives who were celebrating his anti-government rhetoric?
Jeffro
One of y’all should take this list, give each conservative flame-out a paragraph and a picture, write an introduction and a conclusion and publish it. Call it “Conservative Heroes” and you’ll get double the sales – half from liberals who’d appreciate a good laugh, half from teabaggers who aren’t smart enough to look inside the cover before buying.
Ramalama
@waspuppet: That’s a good point. One other point why Sully isn’t a complete waste (just mostly).
rk
@mclaren:
Except that Obama did not flame out, instead won a second term as the POTUS. Quite the opposite of flame out. Hillary Clinton, no flame out there either as she may be the next POTUS. Bill Clinton is more popular than ever despite the blow jobs. Lieberman was always hated so he got kicked out of office. I have yet to see liberals fawn over random morons picked up off the street the way conservatives do.
debbie
Does anyone remember that conservative study group, I think from Texas, that tried to get all of the 2012 GOP candidates to sign onto their position paper which asserted that blacks had it better under slavery than under Obama because slaveowners at least tried to keep families together? Not even Santorum would sign on.
I wonder if this is what led Bundy to think it was ok to say what he said.
TooManyJens
@debbie: Bachmann signed it, though. It was all about how the black family was stronger under slavery than under Big Government. (I would agree that there’s plenty the government has done to undermine black families, but I don’t think my list would look much like hers. Start with the racist criminal justice system and pro-oligarchy, anti-working people economic policy.)
debbie
@TooManyJens:
I mis-remembered her being affiliated with the group, but not actually signing it. I can’t believe I gave her that much credit.
boatboy_srq
Isn’t this the same camp that thinks public parks are Big Gubmint overreach that takes The Land away from the Righteous Property-Holding Citizenry?
I’m glad that there’s two times a day when a broken clock like Krauthammer is right. But there’s a sudden respect for public entities here that I’m still not convinced is genuine, especially after all the hoopla over ANWR.
boatboy_srq
@SuperHrefna: Cain, who ran Domino’s, and Schnatter, who runs Papa John’s.
I think there’s something in pizza-making that attracts wingnuts.
EconWatcher
@Patricia Kayden:
Agree, JC is giving Krauthammer way too much credit.
Krauthammer is a neocon, meaning that people like Bundy can never be more than useful idiots to him in pursuit of his dreams of eternal war as a balm to the soul and a boon to the nation. Krauthammer simply jumped in when it became apparent Bundy would not be useful, and did it to the hilt to build up his won cred.
Zero points should be awarded.
Citizen_X
@SIA: What has Abbott said about supporting Bundy? ‘Cause if he has, that shit needs to be tied around that fucker’s neck.
Litbrit
What about the biggest, most significant GOP flameout of them all: Chris Christie?
Avery Greynold
An obscure note on Bundy/heroes: Bundy claims ownership of federal grazing rights. When Reagan was running up the deficit for his end-times defense budgets, his people raised money selling off federal land parcels and land rights. Two-birds-with-one-stone cleverness by James G. Watt. Read the Wikipedia. Chilling. James G. Watt was a conservative darling, but so extreme that when he made a bad joke about affirmative action they dumped him.
Bill in Section 147
@EconWatcher: I cannot believe you didn’t take away points from Slytherin. Zero is too generous.
WaterGirl
@SIA: I did a double-take when I saw your name, so glad to see you here.
Edit: you probably won’t see this, since it’s nearly 12 hours since you commented, but I had to say it anyway just in case.
Villago Delenda Est
@boatboy_srq: I’ve read that the Papa John’s guy was a decent fellow until he hit the big time.
Then he turned into a serious asshole that his former employees did not recognize.
Cyndi Lauper was on to something.
boatboy_srq
@Villago Delenda Est: There’s a point in the ads when you can see him transition from happy to angry/miserable. But it’s been so many years since I saw a pre-wingnut ad of his that I don’t remember when it happened.
I still say there’s something in pizza that does it.
Sondra
@Jim C.:
Here are a few more that I saw just this morning over on Crooks and Liars.
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/mikes-blog-round-23
Speaking of which, your quotes of the day:
“Far more of the African-American community is being devastated by the policies of today than were being devastated by policies of slavery.” (Arizona GOP Rep. Trent Franks, February 26, 2010)
“You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.” (Dr. Ben Carson, October 11, 2013)
“Our free stuff today is being paid for by taking money from our children and borrowing from China. When that money comes due – and this isn’t racist, but it’ll be like slavery when that note is due. We are going to beholden to the foreign master.” (Sarah Palin, November 9, 2013)
and
Cockfighting Upends Kentucky GOP Senate Hopeful – Matt Blevin continues to maintain he didn’t know what the Tea Party rally he attended was for, despite all the posters, and despite what the previous speakers were talking about.
New Hampshire State Representative Will Infantine incensed fellow lawmakers when he suggested that the wage gap exists because women don’t work as hard as men do.
Also the guy that owns Home Depot whatever his name is.
Villago Delenda Est
@Patricia Kayden: Because you’re not supposed to blurt that shit out.
Jesus California
I do apologize, youngsters, for dragging this pathetic and potentially tragic historical character back to public scrutiny; the honorable Dan Quayle of Indiana was once one elderly heartbeat from the Oval Office. By the early 90s even most Republicans were trying to forget him. I think the Republican tradition of “It could be worse!” Assassination Insurance began there. Cheney, Palin and Ryan are evidence that it continues. Quayle was the original “Not Ready Not Ready For Prime-Time Player.”