The first person to find a “Donald Sterling is the Left’s Cliven Bundy” post wins a prize. Open thread.
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The first person to find a “Donald Sterling is the Left’s Cliven Bundy” post wins a prize. Open thread.
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Cassidy
Does this count?
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJackKimble/status/460052158755635200
the Conster
I won’t make up my mind about Sterling until reasonable Cokie Roberts and that nice polite George Will weigh in.
aimai
I’ve already seen it at Lawyer’s Guns and Money in a comment by one of our regular trolls named “Anonymous.”
Villago Delenda Est
Um, exqueeze me, but how in any way is Donald Stirling “of the left”? As has been pointed out previously, the last time he made a political contribution to any party was over 20 years ago.
But we’re talking about wingtards, so logic and facts don’t enter into it. After all, Robert Byrd, yadda yadda yadda.
Oh…since he’s not actively supporting the Tea Party, that MUST mean he’s a lefitist!
ronin122
Here’s an article of that sentiment: Site name sounds wingnutty.
OzarkHillbilly
Over at OTB, Jenos most kindly fulfilled your request.
Villago Delenda Est
Noisemax strikes again!:
Rand Paul: GOP Must Focus on Growth, Diversity to Win
Sounds like more marketing adjustment. Policy reconsideration is right out.
shelly
Hey, if Freepers can somehow insist that the KKK is a left-wing organization, anything is possible.
danielx
Splendidly topical!
Title of today’s piece in the Washington Post by Ed Rogers, Republican strategist, lobbyist, and all-round douchebag:
The Insiders: Ignore the Bundy sideshow and focus on the issues
Do Jeebus, and here I could have sworn a week ago that deadbeat-at-large Cliven Bundy and his defiance of guvmint debt collectors was totally the issue of the day.
Question of the day – should this article fall under the heading of…
a) nothing to see here, move along
Or…
b) ignore that teabagger behind the curtain!
BGinCHI
My money is on Jonah Goldberg once he gets finished with his breakfast of cupcakes and twinkies.
Villago Delenda Est
@ronin122: Dare I say it?
I can’t stop myself…
Yup, that’s Portnoy’s Complaint….
Villago Delenda Est
@shelly: They insist that Hitler was a left-winger. It’s not a stretch.
Hawes
Actually, I think Sterling IS the Left’s Cliven Bundy.
I can just remember the other day, how Rachel Maddow had Sterling on her show to talk about the importance of wealth taxes. And then Barbara Boxer was just gushing over him when she was courtside with him.
Exactly the same.
Violet
How does Sterling being awarded the NAACP Lifetime Achievement award fit into this?
Villago Delenda Est
@danielx: Focus on the issues? Like how we need to find some new way of polishing the GOP policy turd?
libarbarian
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gene108
@Villago Delenda Est:
You know, who else thought marketing adjustments would win people over?
The U.S. auto industry in the 1980’s and 1990’s.
Seems to be a very corporate mindset that PR can smooth over actual problems with the product.
danielx
@Villago Delenda Est:
Fixed.
Why worry about finding a new way? The old etch-a-sketch-shake-shake-shake method seems to work well enough with average idiot voters; they sure as hell don’t seem to remember anything about that guy who sat in the Oval Office from 1/20/2001 to 1/19/2009. The only thing wingnut idiot voters are really upset about is seeing the cockroaches – that would be Republican leaders – scuttling for cover once Bundy let dear old Felix out of the bag. Hey, all the poor guy did was be honest, amirite?*
*WTF did they expect? The guy’s a fuckin’ Mormon, and they only got around to admitting that black people are human beings in 1985 or something.
aimai
@Violet: If tells us that the NAACP has a crappy pool of nominees.
JPL
@Hawes: haha.. I was going to say the time he appeared with Al Sharpton but your point is well taken.
JPL
@Violet: Strange bedfellows.
gnomedad
Wingers use “liberal” as a synonym for “evil” with no explanation required. We’ll know they’ve really thrown Bundy under the bus when they start explaining that he’s “really a liberal”.
AlladinsLamp
Racist Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Is a Democrat
Cacti
For any neo-confederate acquaintance who may wonder aloud if slavery was so bad after all, a quote from a man who lived free and lived as a slave in the antebellum era:
“There may be humane masters, as there certainly are inhuman ones – there may be slaves well-clothed, well-fed, and happy, as there surely are those half-clad, half-starved and miserable; nevertheless, the institution that tolerates such wrong and inhumanity as I have witnessed, is a cruel, unjust, and barbarous one. Men may write fictions portraying lowly life as it is, or as it is not – may expatiate with owlish gravity upon the bliss of ignorance – discourse flippantly from arm chairs of the pleasures of slave life; but let them toil with him in the field – sleep with him in the cabin – feed with him on husks; let them behold him scourged, hunted, trampled on, and they will come back with another story in their mouths.”
-Solomon Northup
Iowa Old Lady
I’m still more bothered by people rushing from all over the country to point guns at federal agents than I am that some old white guy said something racist. I suppose they’re related in that racism is at the heart of a lot of this, but the why is it the press is outraged over the words rather than the guns?
Frankensteinbeck
@Villago Delenda Est:
As has been pointed out previously, it wasn’t even him. It was a random guy with the same name.
@gene108:
Golf clap for the lampshade.
Tim Keller
Cliven Bundy, Donald Sterling, and the left’s elusive quest for ‘purity’
What do I win? :)
gnomedad
@AlladinsLamp:
They’re not going to explain how he expressed a valid point in an awkward way?
Steeplejack
Somebody put Amir Khalid on suicide watch. Chelski just walked in a goal to make it 2-0 against Liverpool with only minutes to go in the match.
p.a.
@Villago Delenda Est: Rand Paul: GOP Must Focus on Funneling Growth Upwards, Token Diversity to Win
Fixt
dmsilev
@Violet: Ah, but lifetime achievement in *what*? I’d say “Lifetime Achievement in Applied Assholism” award, for instance, would be well merited.
am
I really find it bizarre that he had an interracial girlfriend, and was fine with her “feeding, f*cking” Magic… but not posing with him or other black men on Instagram?
I have no idea what racism may or may not be in this guy’s heart, but this situation doesn’t entirely pass the smell test right now. Sounds like she was sleeping with two men at once, and one was hurt by it and said some pretty nasty things (calling it ‘racially insensitive’ would be _charitable_) that she recorded and released to TMZ in revenge for the $2M lawsuit.
Amir Khalid
Liverpool are losing 2-0 at home to Chelsea and injury time is all but over. Fuck fuck fuck.
Cacti
@am:
Well, if he was hurt, that makes it all better then.
Suffern ACE
@Steeplejack: Since Obama is in Malaysia Amir is probably busy preparing for the State Dinner with Obama, invited as the only Malaysian to comment on liberal us blogs. (The other Malaysians are usually at the Corner).
OzarkHillbilly
@Iowa Old Lady: Because guns are protected by the Sacred 2nd Amendment ™, whereas racist hate speech has only the lowly 1st to guard it.
Frankensteinbeck
@Villago Delenda Est:
They’ve figured out they need to focus on job growths and appealing to minorities. Someone trots out to say that every couple of months. Then they either don’t do it, or they try and their attempt is something even more offensive than the regular contempt.
Violet
@aimai: Seems like whoever was in charge of picking the honorees did no research. Sterling apparently has a history of racism. Even if it has been swept under the rug, it’s been known. Why choose that guy for your Lifetime Achievement award winner? There have to be some better people they could have picked.
geg6
@am:
Yeah, because no white supremacists ever had AA girlfriends. Ever.
Just look at all those Southern plantation owners in the 1800s. They never soiled themselves by sleeping with their slaves. Amirite?
Cassidy
@Cacti: Bitches be trippin’.
WaterGirl
@aimai: My thought was similar. From what I’ve read, the things Sterling said shouldn’t have come as a big surprise. Someone at the NAACP didn’t do their due diligence. To give an honor like that to a scumbag like is a travesty.
Frankensteinbeck
@am:
‘Man Who Delivers Racist Rant Didn’t Mean It, Baby, Come Back, He Loves Her, And She Was Asking For It, She Makes Him So Mad Sometimes’? None of that makes what he said any less baldly racist, or makes it any less important for whites to see that racism is alive and well.
Violet
@Iowa Old Lady:
The press can’t say anything bad about guns because the NRA will go apeshit.
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet: Well, apparently Sterling gives thousands of Clippers tickets to minority youth groups, which seems to be the main reason for honoring him.
Cacti
@geg6:
And Sen. Strom “segregation forever” Thurmond never fathered a daughter from raping the black house help, no?
Violet
@WaterGirl: Sterling was also honored by the NAACP in 2009. There are various accusations of his racism and sexism going back awhile. NAACP could have found that stuff easily.
OzarkHillbilly
@Cacti: That bitch was asking for it.
Tiny Tim
Wingers are weird. I didn’t see a single liberal anywhere post anything about this being about politics (except mocking the post-racial world of John Roberts). “This will make Republicans look bad if he’s a Republican” never occurred to me.
I just thought “rich, horrible, racist, asshole.”
Suffern ACE
@Frankensteinbeck: they could appeal to minorities by focusing on job growth. But then they’d have to stop looking at the minority problem as being somehow caused by the minorities themselves. That is the pivot they cannot make.
phoebes-in-santa fe
“Bitch set me up”
The Thin Black Duke
@Violet: Yep.
This is what really gets me angry about this situation. Sure, Donald Sterling is a bigoted dirtbag, but everybody in the NBA–the players, the coaches, the owners, the talking heads on ESPN and that smug asshole Daniel Stern–knew that he was a bigoted dirtbag.
Jesus. I mean, you didn’t need to be Neal DeGrasse Tyson to figure it out, y’know?
Cacti
@Suffern ACE:
Cliven Bundy is the voter that the GOP has been courting nationally for the last 50 years. There aren’t any elected Republicans today who remember doing it any other way.
Violet
@Villago Delenda Est: That’s a piss poor reason for honoring him.
geg6
Since this is an open thread, I’d just like to pat myself on the back for being so up and at ’em today. Laundry, check. Ham and bean soup assembled and bubbling away in the slow cooker, check. Light housework before our friend who does the heavy cleaning comes at 3pm, check. All I have left to do is shower, hit the grocery store for ice cream and fresh bread and take Koda for her run. A good morning all in all.
And before anyone yells at me for being an elitist liberal for having a friend come and do my cleaning, she approached us. She needs the money and wouldn’t take a loan or charity. She is a wonderful person and I’d rather just give her money and hang out with her all afternoon, but she likes it this way and I’m happy to help and have her help.
Jordan Rules
@Villago Delenda Est: Sterling is also a big self-promoter in Cali, likes to throw events to honor himself apparently. Somehow that probably fed into this combined with an apalling lack of research at that LA NAACP.
AND the only thing he did was unload empty ass seats to his previously, consistently shitty team. Those kids prolly thought they were getting Lakers tickets too. LOL
scav
The po-widdle rich boy with the nasty meanie girlfriend won’t exactly play either. He’s already signed over one house to a girlfriend in his past, wife sued to get it back and he’s calls the girlfriend a prostitute and in it for the money under oath. (Oh, and he there acknowleges that ‘maybe’ he was morally wrong. Didn’t tell his wife.) Which, irregardless of the motivations of the non-wives involved, shows a pattern of dropping largess and then whisking it back when bored (somehat by proxy, but he went along). Also, what sort of entitled prick calls up ‘ex’ girlfriends (to give him the benefit of the doubt) and orders them as to who they may or may not associate in public? Old white rich men, what am I thinking. Clear case of affluenza. His apologists are intriguing — wish they came with tattoos for better identification in a crowd.
OzarkHillbilly
@geg6:
That’s not what makes you an “elitist liberal”, running with your dog does.
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet: That’s what is being offered up as a reason to do so.
I agree with you that it doesn’t seem like much in the wake of everything TMZ has been reporting on Stirling.
Jordan Rules
@The Thin Black Duke: And this tape is the least disgusting and disturbing of his transgressions. Tipping points often seem relatively trivial.
The NBA isn’t just ‘authenticating the tape’ in their call for due diligence they are preparing to insulate themselves and seeing where the bodies are buried.
Villago Delenda Est
@The Thin Black Duke:
Well, I see your point, but it IS helpful not to have your head up your ass, a situation that NDT has never been in.
scav
@The Thin Black Duke: Took me about five minutes, max, on the googlebox from a cold start yesterday.
am
@Cacti:
Of course it does not…
I’m just saying not everything adds up about this. Anyway, I should have kept my mouth shut.
Violet
@Villago Delenda Est: TPM reports the NAACP is no longer going to honor Sterling.
Villago Delenda Est
@Frankensteinbeck: I was relying on some fuckhead at NRO knowing how to google “Donald Stirling” and then determine if it was the Donald Stirling he was actually looking for.
My bad.
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet: Well, that didn’t take long to get resolved.
Cassidy
@geg6: Donald Sterling pays people to do stuff for him. Both sides do it.
Violet
@Villago Delenda Est: @Frankensteinbeck: I’m confused. According to this 2011 report, Sterling did donate to $6,000 in the early 1990’s. He supported Gray Davis and Bill Bradley. Is this report wrong? I thought it had been confirmed that it was him but he hasn’t donated anything since.
smintheus
This best-of-all-worlds clown Ian Morris is a smug and pretentious dimwit. He works in my field and has gotten far by being British and glib. Though Morris portrays himself as an historian, he has virtually no historical training; it shows in this drivel published by Fred Hiatt.
dmsilev
I think this is the most hilarious bit about Mr. Sterling that I’ve seen so far. It’s a bit of text from a deposition he gave.
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet: What’s being said that the Donald Stirling that supported Grey Davis was not that Donald Stirling, but it’s difficult to sort through the chaff to find out for sure.
Joel
@Violet: Probably reflective of the declining fortunes of the NAACP. Or in other words, money.
geg6
@OzarkHillbilly:
Oh, you misunderstand! I do no running. Koda does it all. I just throw the kong. ;-)
@Cassidy:
Oh noes! I guess I have to yell at her to stop Instagramming pics with white people now!
Jordan Rules
Someone in the twittersphere said if Sterling doesn’t own the Clips anymore then all he becomes is a filthy rich slum lord who treats his non-famous minority tenants far worse.
Violet
@Villago Delenda Est: It’s Sterling, not Stirling. If it was a Donald Stirling who donated, then that isn’t the same person for sure.
scav
@dmsilev: Maybe he was just describing his handwriting? Uses an unusual pen and ink?
And many now seem to be using the one drop rule for political identification. Despite richies and corps often buttering both sides of their bread, especially in the past, with local races possibly involving more personal relationships being even more in the air. Any surprise? Even the mere hoi often split tickets in the bad old days.
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet: Details, details! :P
JPL
@Violet: What sport did Bill Bradley play? hmmm
? Martin
The political identity of the person is not really the issue. Clive Bundy could be a reliable Democratic voter for all I care.
The identity of the people calling them out/rallying to their defense is what really matters. And that seems pretty unambiguous to me.
Violet
@JPL: Liberal ball. In the Soshulist Commie League. Duh.
Mr Stagger Lee
To any hardcore 2nd Amendment worshipers at BJ, or any gun-nut lurkers. You might want to get ahead of this stupidity or you are going to get gun control shoved up your backsides!
Villago Delenda Est
@JPL:
Liebralsocialistatheistmuslimball?
Villago Delenda Est
@? Martin:
Well, yes, but you are one of those fact believers, not a Bible believer.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mr Stagger Lee: I love ths:
What are you going to do about me showing my cock to your kids, beeotch?
The Theon Lovejoy treatment is MADE for asswipes like this guy.
scav
@Villago Delenda Est: Look at the moves that league encourages. Ball Stealing! By the Intimidating Black Men! Who Travel and apparently do something called the Euro step! Deeply problematic.
Violet
@Mr Stagger Lee: Cracks me right up that someone was dong that.. Wonder how many folks in that area voted for the representatives that voted for that insane new gun law? Elections have consequences.
JPL
Earlier today a friend and I were commenting about this story. A police officer can ask to see a permit but is not entitled to see it.
Violet
@JPL: Wait, what? The police officer can ask to see a permit but the gun owner doesn’t have to show it? What sort of weird law is that? I guess it’s too much of a burden on the gun owner to be required to carry around that permit at all times. There’s probably no room after you’ve figured out where to put all your guns.
When non-white people start doing this kind of thing in nice white neighborhoods, that’s when there will be pressure on representatives to change the law.
Mr Stagger Lee
@Violet: Yes they do especially if God forbid, some “good guy with a gun” confronts this “good guy with a gun” and then bullets start flying. Over/Under when this happens in Georgia, two months?
JPL
@Violet: The gun owner can refuse to say whether he even has one. It’s his second amendment right.
Anya
@Violet: I was just flabbergasted when I read that headline. By all indication, it was known for a long time what a horrible racist sleazebag he was, so, what were they honoring him for?
Violet
@JPL: Man, the NRA really has it all locked down.
Violet
@Anya: Worse, he was previously honored in 2009. It’s not like it was 1979 when no one knew anything about him. His racism and other terrible behavior was documented in testimony, settled-out-of-court cases, etc. It’s not like they didn’t know then either.
schrodinger's cat
Cute Caturday Kittehs, an antidote to all the crazy!
scav
@Violet: Well, some laws and regulations being enforced are jack-booted thuggery. Some laws (and fees) are indeed optional for some people.
And, as for side-effects, by not allowing the police to expect documentation on-site, haven’t they just cleared the way for the thin blue line to exhibit their well-know discretion and instincts when hauling people in to check?
JPL
@scav: A person has the second amendment right to not answer the police officer’s query on whether or not he has a permit. The police official might find a reason to haul him in but not for that. The NRA could busy defending these guys.
Patrick
@Villago Delenda Est:
In the same article it says that Ms Rabb is a gun rights advocate and supports the 2nd amendment. One can only assume then that Ms Rabb helped vote for the same good folks that approved the laws that make this type of behavior legal. “Freedom”…
JPL
Owning chickens where I live poses a problem though. link
scav
@JPL: That second amendment sure knows how to chop, slice, dice, make perfect béchamel and smoothies. Now its all about unverifiable organized militias.
ETA but how else are you to pay for GOP medical insurance?!
jeffreyw
Waffle porn! (It’s what’s for breakfast)
Ruckus
@Violet:
No, that’s when the shooting starts in earnest.
Then after a few thousand deaths is when someone white will speak about the law being changed.
Oh who am I kidding? What will be desired will be automatic weapons because in a situation like that you of course need more firepower not less.
/nra
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat:
Antidote…or cause?
Citizen_X
@Patrick:
Hey lady, why should parents and kids deal with the same exact fear when they go visit the Capitol?
bemused
@Violet:
The prevailing attitude everywhere today appears to be that backgrounds checks are too much trouble or unnecessary even in groups like NAACP. No wonder people are more cynical than ever.
burnspbesq
@Villago Delenda Est:
He’s Jewish, and everybody knows all Jews are closet Marxists.
/newsmax
Mnemosyne
@Villago Delenda Est:
If anyone ever doubted what these “open carry” guys think they’re doing, I think stories like this one solve the mystery. May as well wear a raincoat, too, and put all doubts to rest.
The Thin Black Duke
@Citizen_X: Thing is, it always comes back to this: who elected these sock puppets of the NRA into office in the first place? Sure, “Elections Have Consequences” is a creaky relic of a cliche, but too many people are still surprised when the lunacy they voted for comes back to shoot them in the face. Again.
Anya
@Violet: Maybe they thought donating tickets to underprivileged youth outweighs being a slumb lord and a sexist douchebag. I think with this the NAACP awards lose credibility.
burnspbesq
@Violet:
It’s a bit more complicated than that. His companies have paid millions in damages for discriminating against African-Americans in leasing decisions (Sterling is a major landlord in Los Angeles). However, the Clippers’ record on hiring and advancing African-Americans is exemplary.
Just One More Canuck
ot, but North Korea has labelled the president of South Korea a “crafty prostitute in thrall to her pimp, Barack Obama”
Who will be first to say that they clumsily stated an important point
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/27/north-korea-attacks-south-president-park-geun-hye-obama?CMP=fb_gu
Sir Laffs-a-Lot
First Prize is a John Cole Best of Playlist that JC made up at 3 a.m. when he was “not that drunk”.
scav
Kiddos, personally I’m not sure the extended audio clip is doing much to improve his image. At the very best, he’s an active racist enabler
and what’s more, he “gives” the players on his team money, they don’t earn it.
Rich men with their pets and their plantations. TPM
CarolDuhart2
Link To The Extended Tape
Haven’t listened to it yet.
JPL
@burnspbesq: Yup as Scav noted at 111 he sounds like the master on a plantation. Great guy.
Southern Beale
Here ya go:
Do I get a prize? I mean, dang — this guy even mentioned Saul Alinsky! Surely that’s good for something?
Violet
@burnspbesq: How does that change anything? I said the guy has a history of racism. You added further evidence showing he has a history of racism. The NAACP can choose anyone they want to honor. They went with the guy that has an apparently well known history of racism. I think it reflects poorly on them.
Anya
Via TPM – this is what Sterling said about Israel:
Of course he’s a dirty hippie. Never mind that he’s okay with the treatment because it’s “cultural”.
Southern Beale
For the record, the NAACP has rescinded its award to Donald Sterling.
Villago Delenda Est
@Just One More Canuck: Oh, dear. Wingtard haids kerplode as it turns out that the NKs are their brothers in Obama hatred.
scav
@Villago Delenda Est: Really? Isn’t Putin already hanging over the fireplace next to the Sainted Ronnie? I’m sure there’s room.
Violet
@scav: Yeah, I was going to say. It’s not like they have some kind of problem with dictators and hardliners. Putin, Kim Jong-un, and…? Who else would make a nice triptych above the fireplace?
M. Bouffant
@burnspbesq: Elgin Baylor might disagree.
Patrick
@Southern Beale:
And on Friday, Sean Hannity rescinded his support of Cliven Bundy.
Just One More Canuck
@Villago Delenda Est: The thing is, the language that the North Koreans use isn’t much different than how your average Fox commentator refers to Democrats
WaterGirl
@geg6: You must have missed the long discussion we had here months ago where many, many people supported the “help with house or yard work” position you take. IIRC, as long as people were making a fair wage, it was considered spreading the wealth, not being elitist.
WaterGirl
@Jordan Rules: Dare I guess that those tickets were a tax write-off? I’m sure he was motivated by kindness, right?
dan
What a horrible human being. Can’t we harvest her organs for deserving people?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/26/palin-waterboarding-how-wed-baptize-terrorists-her/#.U10JRFqzLnQ.reddit
M. Bouffant
And let’s not forget Donald Douglas, an inspiration to people screaming on street corners world-wide.
Jordan Rules
@M. Bouffant: And Elgins probably the reason they had so many blacks. Sterling was a cheap owner who didn’t give a damn about fielding a good product or winning team. It was his prized plantation (as opposed to his slum properties) and there is much evidence over the years that make this pretty uncomplicated IMO.
WaterGirl
@dmsilev: “Sir, the question was…” Oh my gosh, I couldn’t stop laughing at that. Too funny.
? Martin
Let’s jump in the wayback machine and look at similar 2nd amendment incidents, as witnessed in Georgia:
Some other young men and women are exercising their 2nd amendment rights to self-defense. The leftist coward, Ronald Reagan runs from these patriots. The leftist media calls it an invasion, much as the British press would have when the founders formed the first militias. That coward later signs legislation to make it illegal for law-abiding Americans to defend themselves.
I may have confused the Tea Party and Black Panther party, and conservatives vs blacks, but in a post-racial nation that shouldn’t make a lick of difference.
Schlemizel
@dan: My fear is that somehow the evil stupidity could be transfered with the organs. That would be a crime against humanity
Violet
@? Martin: From your link:
“We’re black people with guns. What about it.” Love that. So succinct.
Violet
@CarolDuhart2: From the extended tape of Donald Sterling:
Control, control, control.
burnspbesq
@M. Bouffant:
Indeed he might, but for most of his tenure Baylor was indisputably the worst GM in the league. Even the Knicks were a better-run team.
? Martin
While the outcome would be all to predictable, and I don’t want to see it come about, it would be interesting if black people in Georgia suddenly started legally open-carrying and refusing to show their permits all across Georgia. I would suggest starting by attending upper-class white churches in the state during Sunday service with a slung AR-15. Now that spring is here, I’m sure there will be many outdoor wedding across the state. Some law abiding black good-guys-with-guns might want to make sure the attending guests are well protected.
Legally, of course.
D58826
Somewhat off-topic other than it does fit into the ‘who can be the biggest bigot this week ‘ contgest:
. None other than the sage of Wasilla Sarah Palin.
Every time I think we have hit rock bottom, someone manages to dig the hole a bit deeper.
Gin & Tonic
Question: is displaying prisoners like this a violation of the Geneva Convention?
Violet
This ESPN profile of Donald Sterling from 2009 and updated in 2012 is really interesting. Apparently he’s a major donor to the NAACP:
And this is a pretty good summation:
Yep. No one has done anything to make him change his ways. Maybe that’ll change now.
Also, our media at work:
Those pesky bloggers!
Villago Delenda Est
@D58826: Mooselini is convinced that she must find the last turtle (she’s on a mission from Gawd, you know!), and no liberal is ever going to deter her from continuing on her epic quest.
geg6
@WaterGirl:
She gets $50 for three hours, maybe a few minutes more. I think that’s fair.
It’s help she apparently needs and it helps me out because my house is ridiculously too big. I can’t wait to sell it!
Villago Delenda Est
@Just One More Canuck: Well, let’s see now. What trait do Koreans tend to have that they share with Faux Noise commentators? Having served in Korea myself, I didn’t encounter a great deal of racial discrimination, but my melanin enhanced fellow officers sometimes did.
Hmm…thinking, thinking….
Patrick
@? Martin:
I kind of wonder if an organized approach like that would be more beneficial than Bloomberg spending millions of dollars on candidates that are pro gun control. What if he instead spent some of that money with African-American men bringing guns to churches in wealthy white neighborhoods? If this incident at a Georgia park causes such a stir even among gun rights advocates, one can only guess what response African-American males with guns in a white church would cause.
Villago Delenda Est
@M. Bouffant: Donald is about as bright as the Donald Ducks you can buy at a Disney store.
Or THE Donald, for that matter.
Violet
@geg6: Do you pay into Social Security for her? My parents hired a maid when they got older and found doing routine housework a little more challenging. They used the same woman the next door neighbors used. The neighbors paid Social Security taxes for her and my parents decided to do the same thing. Apparently it was kind of a pain, but they felt it was the right thing to do.
When she finally retired, she was so grateful to them (and the other neighbors) for having paid into Social Security for her. It allowed her to be comfortable in her retirement and not depending on her kids and grandkids.
different-church-lady
*sigh*
Once again we gotta explain stuff to morons:
Cliven Bundy is a racist. He is a racist that too many Republicans-and/or-conservatives raced to celebrate.
Donald Sterling is a racist. He is a racist that the vast majority of Democrats/Liberals condemned.
CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE?
? Martin
@Patrick: The entire history of gun control in California – legislation written with the assistance of the NRA, no less – stems from the incident I linked to.
All that was needed was:
different-church-lady
@dan:
Well, that rules out a heart transplant. Someone would get an awfully large spleen, though.
Amir Khalid
Woe is me! Liverpool have lost at home to Chelsea, and their first title of the Premier League is now in serious doubt. Woe, woe!
Villago Delenda Est
@different-church-lady:
No.
SATSQ.
Violet
@Patrick: Judging from the freak out when there were nationwide marches for Trayvon Martin, and those were peaceful, I can only imagine how it would go.
In my area the largely African American marchers chose to march through an upscale mostly white neighborhood. Holy cow did that cause a freak out. It was covered for days ahead of time on the news. A counter protest was planned for one area (apparently guns were okay for that one, as was the Confederate flag), then moved to be closer to the protesters. (Can’t properly antagonize people unless you’re in their face with a Confederate flag.)
When the march happened it was covered live on TV on a Sunday afternoon. Nothing much happened outside of the marchers walking on the sidewalk through the wealthy neighborhood. The counter protestors stood on a sidewalk and yelled and waved posters and flags. There were far fewer of them and they were almost all white.
I agree that if it could somehow be done, black people carrying guns openly into mostly white conservative areas, like churches, suburban/exurban school yards and parks, could move the gun control debate along a lot faster than almost anything else. I’m not the one who would be risking anything by that happening though, so although it sounds plausible in theory I understand the risks could be high to those involved.
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet: White people openly brandishing firearms: Patriots exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.
Black people openly brandishing firearms: Nat Turner’s spiritual heirs looking to rape white women.
This really isn’t difficult to suss out.
rikyrah
@am:
I really find it bizarre that he had an interracial girlfriend
……………..
REALLY?
seriously?
you’re shocked that racist White man will fuck a Black woman?
are you for real?
Do you know ANY American History?
How the hell do you think Black folk became a rainbow community in this country?
The Black community in America has always been multi-racial from the first time Massa went down the slave quarters.
Just One More Canuck
@Villago Delenda Est: It’s a mystery, isn’t it
Violet
@rikyrah: I know. It’s kind of amazing to see comments like that. It’s like our history never happened.
Violet
@Villago Delenda Est: I understand the history. I also understand how well it worked and how much it freaked out Ronald Reagan. Don’t know if it would work that well again.
jonas
@am:
A few years ago, Sterling had to settle a big federal discrimination lawsuit for refusing to rent apartments in his buildings to blacks and Hispanics. He also famously refused to give Clippers manager Elgin Baylor a raise because he was supposedly already making “a lot of money for a poor black kid.” His attitudes are widely known.
eric
@burnspbesq: His history as a slumlord has been well known for years. His history as a cheap owner has been well known for years. It is not clear whether Baylor was bad because of himself or Sterling. One look at Dolan in NY shows just how bad an owner can make it for any GM. (not defending Baylor)
He has been buying indulgences from the NAACP and they just got burned.
another Holocene human
@Violet: Positive reinforcement?
jonas
@am:
Google Sally Hemmings
scav
Carrie Butler and Strom Thurmond. Among other obvious and plentiful leads.
Roger Moore
@burnspbesq:
Are you sure that Baylor was really the worst GM, or was Sterling the worst GM and Baylor was his front man? I know the latter situation is very common in pro sports, especially in teams that are constantly badly run, and I got the impression that the Clippers were being run that way.
Roger Moore
@Violet:
We could invite some white people wearing head scarves along for the fun.
Mnemosyne
@am:
It’s bizarre for people who think of sex as an egalitarian, mutually enjoyable activity. Not so bizarre to people who think of it as a way to dominate and control another person.
ruemara
I ain’t gonna spend another minute on that douchenozzle. I made cupcakes. White wine citrus with blackberry filling and a lemon lavender buttercream frosting, plus nearly the same in a vegetarian GF version that’s white wine pear with blackberry filling and a vegan set with a glaze of lemon and white wine. It’s like an angel pooped in your mouth.
Plus, these sour cream biscuits are full on delicious.
different-church-lady
@Villago Delenda Est:
However, in this case, the first S standing for “stupid”, yes?
Origuy
Thomas Jefferson didn’t bring Sally Hemmings to Congress. Sterling seems to flaunt his mistress as though saying, “See, I’m not a racist. I don’t mind having sex with a dusky-hued vixen.” As though that negates the way he treats black men.
Violet
@Mnemosyne:
Yeah, he’s made it pretty clear that for him sex and relationships are all about control.
WaterGirl
@geg6: Oh, I wasn’t questioning you, even for a minute! I have hired friends to help clean, too (in the past when I had more money) when they needed money. I hired the young girl across the street, too, who was trying to save for college.
Origuy
On another subject, a gun group in Texas wants to make public the names and addresses of people who call 911 about someone carrying a gun.
WaterGirl
@ruemara: That cupcake really is gorgeous!
Paging Omnes Omnibus, paging Omnes. Omnes, please come to the courtesy counter for the cupcakes you wanted last night.
Jay C
@M. Bouffant:
Aye. No More Mister Nice Blog was considerate enough to remind us that Donald Douglas was the blogger who treated us to the whole “Sasquatch Israel” brouhaha. That that bit of buffoonery wasn’t enough to chase his halfwit ass off the Internet permanently should say a lot about his credibility…..
D58826
@JPL:I wonder how far the rest of us, esp. the non-whites, would get if we refused to show a cop some ID when requested Did SCOTUS decide a couple of years ago that you could be arrested if you refused to identify yourself to a cop.
It would be so much easier if we just eliminated all of the laws except the absolute protection that the 2nd amendment gives to gun toters.
ruemara
LAWks. Read up on your gender stereotyping of AA women.
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/05intersection/gender/AAWomen01a.htm
Having sex with the dusky vixen is A-OK because she’s the wanton seductress who is only good for such things. She’s not good, like the shiksa he’s married to. It is why they tend towards brown-skinned women for other side of the mattress dealings, and racism marries into it. And it absolves the men from their doings, because those sluts beguiled him, not he, using money and power, are making these propositions.
Patrick
@Origuy:
I wonder how the gun rights advocate lady in Georgia, who called the cops about the guy with a gun at the park, feels about that…
Patricia Kayden
@Villago Delenda Est: We’re talking about a North Korean dictator and his minions not all Koreans. I doubt that North Koreans are representative of all Koreans.
Violet
@ruemara: Apparently he doesn’t see her as black because he said this:
Supposed to be. It’s like he picked her and then plays mind tricks with himself to turn her into whatever he wants her to be. And if she somehow doesn’t live up to the image he created of her, well, it’s her fault of course. Why is she hanging around with those black people? She’s white!
WaterGirl
@Violet: Worse yet – other people may figure out that she’s not white if she starts publicly hanging out with black people.
the Conster
@geg6:
One of the big takeaways I got from the Number One Ladies Detective Agency books is the notion that hiring someone to do work you would otherwise do is that it gives someone a job. I used to be, and still mostly am all of the “if you can’t take care of it, you shouldn’t have it” mindset, is that you’re paying a fair wage for labor. That’s what matters.
Mnemosyne
@the Conster:
I wish they would make some more episodes of the HBO TV series with Jill Scott and Anika Noni Rose. I think Scott was pregnant during much of the filming and had a baby soon after, so she was unwilling to do another season, but I really liked the series. It may sound like a strange thing to say, but to a middle-class white person in the US, it made Botswana look really … normal. Like an actual place where real people live, not an exotic location.
the Conster
@Mnemosyne:
Agreed. If any series of books should have been adapted faithfully over several seasons it was that, because Jill Scott (traditionally built) was perfect. Everyone, including the little town, was perfectly portrayed. The fact that a Scottish man portrayed that milieu so sensitively is a never-ending source of wonder for me. Botswana is on my bucket list.
Roger Moore
@WaterGirl:
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! Though I wouldn’t think hanging out with Magic Johnson would make you stand out as black; it would just make you stand out as having better taste than Donald Sterling.
ETA: Though “better taste than Donald Sterling” wouldn’t exactly cause you to stand out in the same way that “worse taste than Donald Sterling” would.
Anya
@geg6: I don’t understand why is it bad to hire someone to clean your house? I think it’s more important that you treat her with dignity and pay her fair wage. I have a personal trainer and a yoga instructor, is that bad too?
PaulW
can I just tie this all-together with the recent Roberts Court ruling against affirmative action?
http://noticeatrend.blogspot.com/2014/04/this-week-no-this-year-hold-on-this.html
gene108
@Anya:
Left over mindset from the Great Depression?
Back then, if you could save money by doing ‘x’ yourself you damn well did and were happy to do it. I think that mindset went onto the next generation, but I guess as the wealth of post-World War II America became the norm folks decided they could just pay people to do this or that for them.
gian
@burnspbesq:
Elgin Baylor is a great reference for what the complicated Mr. Sterling can offer a “poor black”
Suffern ACE
@Patrick: yep. Gun rights groups are being taken over by folks who just don’t want anyone to ever think that guns can be used to kill or maim anyone. A drawn weapon is a threat. This is not that hard. If i started a group advocating that looked out for the rights of blunt object users and poisoners, people would rightly think I was nuts. The gun nuts are earning their title.
Great. Now I said it, so I’ll never be appointed to office.
Jeffro
Here is the difference: wingers rushed to defend Bundy and KEPT DOING SO even after his racist remarks came out. No one is defending Sterling, even from the get-go.
sharl
For anyone left who thinks this kind of attitude is a new thing with the Clippers’ owner, perhaps due to senility or other age-related behavior, here’s a story from the early 80s posted last year by Jeff Pearlman (via Deadspin). Bolding is mine:
am
@rikyrah:
Sorry, thought it was obvious I meant the fact they were a public couple, rather than that they simply had a sexual relationship.
am
@Mnemosyne:
The TPM post from earlier today backs up that theory quite a bit (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/more-good-times-with-donald-stirling), his views on women in general are disgusting. One of the reasons I had doubts initially was because it was wasn’t a full recording and it was spread via TMZ, but the full recording that Deadspin published make it pretty clear the guy is not only a racist, but a pretty damn strange one, too.
Random: from the TPM post, the line “Sir, the question was, is this your handwriting?” in response to the first bizarre Stirling rant is one of the funniest things things I can recall reading in a court transcript.
Ken Adler
@Iowa Old Lady: You are right. It’s because we are not allowed to call people from the right wing terrorists. That is completely verboten, so although MSNBC tries to have a discuss about this, and Andrew Sullivan calls them Christianists, it doesn’t really go anywhere, so yes we have to pay more attention to an old guy who tells his Mexican/Black girlfriend that he doesn’t like blacks or mexican people.