Wow. Didn’t know pics could have their own comment threads!
to wit:
Wicked Strong is running for charity, so that’s my horse. Also: need mint julep but too lazy to go to store and get mint.
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raven
Johnny Weir’s hat is to die for. The jambalaya is done and we’re off to the Cinco de Derby gig.
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KG
Ride On Curlin, if only because of Borel. Vicar’s in Trouble because of the inside rail. And California Chrome because he’s the favorite. CC to win, Vicar to place, Curlin to show
For names alone: Vicar’s in Trouble, Ride on Curlin, and Chitu, if you pronounce it in your head as Cthulhu.
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scav
I am so consistent, especially when I’ve neither a clue or real interest. Hoppertunity and scratched (that is what it means, right?) My grandfather’s Cub genes breed true! So I’ll go with the Vicar.
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? Martin
I’m always astonished that they’ve managed to spin a 2 minute horserace into 11 hours of coverage. Even the Super Bowl can’t manage that kind of fap to action ratio – but then the Super Bowl doesn’t have fancy hats and the Pride of Dixie™.
Ah… the one day a year when the American public pretends it still gives a shit about the sport of kings. The other three hundred and sixty four involve track closures, dead attendance and begging state leges for handouts from the casino industry.
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RandomMonster
Rooting for California Chrome, of course.
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Calming Influence
@Anoniminous: add: “…with a human attached to it by at least one stirrup, and not necessarily on the horse’s back.”
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JGabriel
Every year, there’s this major buildup for the Kentucky Derby and then it’s over in two minutes and five seconds.
I swear to God, the Kentucky Derby is the premature ejaculation of major sporting events.
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Calming Influence
@Comrade Mary: Uncle Sigh? Well that’s the stupidest name for a horse ever. Just goes to show, inbreeding is always wrong.
Vicar’s In Trouble if Rosie gets him out the gate. CA Chrome may pass them if not.
Rosie is going to be the first woman jockey to win the Derby, but due to her poor post position I can’t promise that will happen today. By that’s why they bet on it!
My kid is now well over 5 ft and about 105 but still filling out, so, thank Cthulhu, she will NOT be the second woman to win the Derby. Gonna have to pursue safer interests like base jumping or wildland firefighting.
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? Martin
@JGabriel: Someone on Twitter called it the “Benghazi of Pro Sports”.
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Jay S
Open thread random question:
Does anyone have realistic numbers of the folks at the Bundy ranch and how it has changed over time? I seem to remember claims of 1000, then 400 and lately perhaps 30 after the Oath Keeper kerfuffle. Is there a reliable source?
To be fair, the whole industry has collapsed below the Triple Crown. Used to be, parimutuel was the only legal way to get your wager on, and horses and animal husbandry were far more important to the public. Now the derby is just a reason for an open air binge drinking festival….with hats.
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KG
@? Martin: they show a lot of the earlier races, so there’s plenty there. But there is a distinct Olympic coverage feel to here… We will show you two minutes of action and spend an hour telling you about the people/horses involved
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Comrade Mary
I’m refreshing for a reason, guys. Is the race in progress? Or has loading been delayed?
I put $2 on the horses with the best odds to show – known in the trade as a ‘jumper bet” because if they can’t finish 3r or better you jump off a bridge. Then a honeybee on each of the two 50-1 guys – if I am going to set fire to a pile of money it might as well have the possibility of making me look like a genius!
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Tommy
@efgoldman: LOL. I’ve been to a lot of open air concerts. The drunkest place I’ve ever been was the Indianapolis 500 on the infield.
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Amir Khalid
If you say Kentucky Derby to me, this is the only thing that comes to mind.
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Comrade Mary
Results: California Chrome, Commanding Curve, Danza. Boring.
@efgoldman: ABC has counted the cattle (380 confiscated and released, 900 estimated grazing). They estimate the peak protester presence at (PPP?) at 600 as of April 19. It’s interesting that the cattle counts are more likely accurate than the people counts. I haven’t seen any horse counts yet, to tie it into this thread.
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Tommy
@efgoldman: A couple months ago I got rid of cable TV. Lot of reasons why. But it is strange to have just Netflix and Hulu. Not a lot of news there. So I get my news online and mostly via text. The Bundy thing is like the first “big” story I’ve not had MSNBC or cable news.
I keep hearing there were thousands and thousands of people there. I only had the pics but it didn’t look like thousands and thousands of people to me.
Dick Morris and William Kristol would like a word with you :-)
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Schlemizel
It always reminds me of a joke:
Whats the fastest 2 minutes in sports? The Kentucky Derby
What is the most boring hour in sports? THe last 2 minutes of a basketball game
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MattF
@Anoniminous: How many legs does a horse have? Ask Wikipedia:
The idiots that run that place cleared out the snakepit for a more wholesome environment – not realizing that the twenty-three year old passed out in his\her own vomit in the infield is how you brand a high dollar ticket buyer in twenty years.
@Tripod: As I mentioned I don’t understand either horse nor car racing. Just makes no sense to me. I was only at the Indy cause well, it was a party. Seemed like a good idea at the time to drive over from IL to IN and attend the thing.
@Tommy: I seriously doubt there were ever 1000 people at any one time. A few hundred at best, but media notoriously inflates the numbers of crowds, using the highest estimate. I’m curious about how enthusiasm has waxed and waned over time.
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Jay S
@Tripod: I didn’t think Beshear was in this race. I don’t see him in the list.
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trollhattan
The California Chrome backstory is pretty interesting, even to somebody (myself) who doesn’t follow the ponies.
@Jay S: Look I might not write the best myself. But I can read. The stories I read said thousands, plural. I am somewhat OCD. I got a few strange quirks. One is I like to count things. I’ve gotten good at it. I don’t think I’ve seen a pic of the Bundy Ranch where there are more than 350 people.
I heard a news story on the radio the other day about the horse. Very sweet underdog aspect.
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Jay S
@Tommy: I think we are violently agreeing here about the real numbers. I haven’t seen the claim of thousands, but I have seen over a thousand thrown around, so I can believe it was inflated to thousands in the plural. Various people want this to be much larger than it really is, for different reasons.
@? Martin: I always liked the description of the clientele of Mississippi riverside gambling establishments. “We got treated like royalty since we had all of our teeth.”
@Tripod: “it still gives a shit about the sport of kings.” I thought that was falconry?
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Just got back from a Derby party- yesterday I had my dad place wagers for me (NYC still has no OTBs, boo), none of which were on California Chrome, as I anticipated a faster pace and that he wouldn’t get the distance. At the party, I put $5 in a hat and drew out his name. I was delighted, as I got 12-1 odds on him via the hat. So I ended up breaking even overall. As the joke goes, thank goodness; I needed the money.
As a fan, I’m thrilled he won. Seventy-seven-year-old small-time trainer, a horse with cheap bloodlines, and the owners have “DAP” on the silks, for “Dumb Ass Partners” which is what someone called them when they bought California Chrome’s mother. I hope he wins the Triple Crown. Even if he doesn’t, that mare they bought for $8,000 is worth a lot more money than she was yesterday.
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Calming Influence
@trollhattan: I lived in Yuba City when I was stationed at Beale AFB. Never saw a horse.
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Paul in KY
Went to Derby. In the infield. Beautiful day, although a bit cool in the morning. Giuant video screen is GIANT! You can see it from 4 or 5 blocks away (when on). Had $100.00 to win on California Chrome. Also had the Place/Show money on the horse that finished 2nd to Wise Dan in Woodford Turf Classic. That got me back to about $50.00 down as I lost every other race I bet on.
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Paul in KY
@crosspalms: I had an exacta on Cal Chrome & Wildcat Red. He was up there for awhile & then he wasn’t…
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Yatsuno
Wow. Didn’t know pics could have their own comment threads!
to wit:
Wicked Strong is running for charity, so that’s my horse. Also: need mint julep but too lazy to go to store and get mint.
raven
Johnny Weir’s hat is to die for. The jambalaya is done and we’re off to the Cinco de Derby gig.
KG
Ride On Curlin, if only because of Borel. Vicar’s in Trouble because of the inside rail. And California Chrome because he’s the favorite. CC to win, Vicar to place, Curlin to show
KG
@raven: that hat is…. Um, something?
Comrade Mary
For names alone: Vicar’s in Trouble, Ride on Curlin, and Chitu, if you pronounce it in your head as Cthulhu.
scav
I am so consistent, especially when I’ve neither a clue or real interest. Hoppertunity and scratched (that is what it means, right?) My grandfather’s Cub genes breed true! So I’ll go with the Vicar.
? Martin
I’m always astonished that they’ve managed to spin a 2 minute horserace into 11 hours of coverage. Even the Super Bowl can’t manage that kind of fap to action ratio – but then the Super Bowl doesn’t have fancy hats and the Pride of Dixie™.
Anoniminous
@efgoldman:
Corrected for greater accuracy.
Comrade Mary
So is there a live stream? For some reason, no Canadian channels are showing it.
trollhattan
@Comrade Mary:
And here I though it would sound like “see-through.”
Calming Influence
Win: Harry’s Holiday
Place: Vinceremos
Show: Uncle Sign
Last: California Chrome
Comrade Mary
@Calming Influence: That’s Uncle Sigh, named for one of those Duck Fuckers camo-clad yuppies. Urgh.
MikeJ
Test General A Rod for drugs.
? Martin
And it looks like the net worth of Kentucky at least doubled for this weekend.
Tripod
Ah… the one day a year when the American public pretends it still gives a shit about the sport of kings. The other three hundred and sixty four involve track closures, dead attendance and begging state leges for handouts from the casino industry.
RandomMonster
Rooting for California Chrome, of course.
Calming Influence
@Anoniminous: add: “…with a human attached to it by at least one stirrup, and not necessarily on the horse’s back.”
JGabriel
Every year, there’s this major buildup for the Kentucky Derby and then it’s over in two minutes and five seconds.
I swear to God, the Kentucky Derby is the premature ejaculation of major sporting events.
Calming Influence
@Comrade Mary: Uncle Sigh? Well that’s the stupidest name for a horse ever. Just goes to show, inbreeding is always wrong.
Phoenix rising
Vicar’s In Trouble if Rosie gets him out the gate. CA Chrome may pass them if not.
Rosie is going to be the first woman jockey to win the Derby, but due to her poor post position I can’t promise that will happen today. By that’s why they bet on it!
My kid is now well over 5 ft and about 105 but still filling out, so, thank Cthulhu, she will NOT be the second woman to win the Derby. Gonna have to pursue safer interests like base jumping or wildland firefighting.
? Martin
@JGabriel: Someone on Twitter called it the “Benghazi of Pro Sports”.
Jay S
Open thread random question:
Does anyone have realistic numbers of the folks at the Bundy ranch and how it has changed over time? I seem to remember claims of 1000, then 400 and lately perhaps 30 after the Oath Keeper kerfuffle. Is there a reliable source?
Anoniminous
@Calming Influence:
And it’s not good for the horses either.
Calming Influence
Got a bet going with Paul Allen: If California Chrome wins, he gets $10. If California Chrome stops to graze at the first turn, I get $1,000,000,000.
Fingers crossed!
Tripod
@JGabriel:
To be fair, the whole industry has collapsed below the Triple Crown. Used to be, parimutuel was the only legal way to get your wager on, and horses and animal husbandry were far more important to the public. Now the derby is just a reason for an open air binge drinking festival….with hats.
KG
@? Martin: they show a lot of the earlier races, so there’s plenty there. But there is a distinct Olympic coverage feel to here… We will show you two minutes of action and spend an hour telling you about the people/horses involved
Comrade Mary
I’m refreshing for a reason, guys. Is the race in progress? Or has loading been delayed?
Wyrm1
Danza, Dance with Fate, Ride on Curlin
Calming Influence
@Jay S:
Get the numbers from Fox News and divide by 100.
Tommy
I would never put down somebodies interest in sports, I am sure I like some that would confuse you. But I don’t get horse racing. I just don’t get it.
Comrade Mary
@Wyrm1: Results or preferences?
Schlemizel
I put $2 on the horses with the best odds to show – known in the trade as a ‘jumper bet” because if they can’t finish 3r or better you jump off a bridge. Then a honeybee on each of the two 50-1 guys – if I am going to set fire to a pile of money it might as well have the possibility of making me look like a genius!
Tommy
@efgoldman: LOL. I’ve been to a lot of open air concerts. The drunkest place I’ve ever been was the Indianapolis 500 on the infield.
Amir Khalid
If you say Kentucky Derby to me, this is the only thing that comes to mind.
Comrade Mary
Results: California Chrome, Commanding Curve, Danza. Boring.
This is a little more fun.
Jay S
@efgoldman: ABC has counted the cattle (380 confiscated and released, 900 estimated grazing). They estimate the peak protester presence at (PPP?) at 600 as of April 19. It’s interesting that the cattle counts are more likely accurate than the people counts. I haven’t seen any horse counts yet, to tie it into this thread.
Tommy
@efgoldman: A couple months ago I got rid of cable TV. Lot of reasons why. But it is strange to have just Netflix and Hulu. Not a lot of news there. So I get my news online and mostly via text. The Bundy thing is like the first “big” story I’ve not had MSNBC or cable news.
I keep hearing there were thousands and thousands of people there. I only had the pics but it didn’t look like thousands and thousands of people to me.
SiubhanDuinne
@Calming Influence:
Dick Morris and William Kristol would like a word with you :-)
Schlemizel
It always reminds me of a joke:
Whats the fastest 2 minutes in sports? The Kentucky Derby
What is the most boring hour in sports? THe last 2 minutes of a basketball game
MattF
@Anoniminous: How many legs does a horse have? Ask Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_many_legs_does_a_horse_have%3F
Tripod
@Tommy:
The idiots that run that place cleared out the snakepit for a more wholesome environment – not realizing that the twenty-three year old passed out in his\her own vomit in the infield is how you brand a high dollar ticket buyer in twenty years.
Comrade Mary
How many legs does a Catbus have?
Count quickly!
Full version with spoilers for the end
Tripod
Governor Steve Beshear, everybody!
Tommy
@Tripod: As I mentioned I don’t understand either horse nor car racing. Just makes no sense to me. I was only at the Indy cause well, it was a party. Seemed like a good idea at the time to drive over from IL to IN and attend the thing.
Southern Beale
You lose.
Jay S
@Tommy: I seriously doubt there were ever 1000 people at any one time. A few hundred at best, but media notoriously inflates the numbers of crowds, using the highest estimate. I’m curious about how enthusiasm has waxed and waned over time.
Jay S
@Tripod: I didn’t think Beshear was in this race. I don’t see him in the list.
trollhattan
The California Chrome backstory is pretty interesting, even to somebody (myself) who doesn’t follow the ponies.
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/04/20/6337965/derby-horse-takes-his-yuba-city.html
Yuba City is not exactly thoroughbred country.
Tommy
@Jay S: Look I might not write the best myself. But I can read. The stories I read said thousands, plural. I am somewhat OCD. I got a few strange quirks. One is I like to count things. I’ve gotten good at it. I don’t think I’ve seen a pic of the Bundy Ranch where there are more than 350 people.
trollhattan
@Tommy:
Some of that camo is really good.
debbie
@efgoldman:
For all the badmouthing NPR gets around here, they had Sonny Rollins for 15 minutes. Sure beats Sterling and his chick.
http://www.npr.org/2014/05/03/309047616/sonny-rollins-you-cant-think-and-play-at-the-same-time
RandomMonster
@trollhattan:
I heard a news story on the radio the other day about the horse. Very sweet underdog aspect.
Jay S
@Tommy: I think we are violently agreeing here about the real numbers. I haven’t seen the claim of thousands, but I have seen over a thousand thrown around, so I can believe it was inflated to thousands in the plural. Various people want this to be much larger than it really is, for different reasons.
Comrade Mary
@trollhattan: How not to be seen.
Tommy
@Jay S: I don’t mean to be seen arguing with you. I agree. I said 350. I think it was closer to 200 if my OCD mind can process the pics I’ve seen.
RandomMonster
@efgoldman:
Yes, just rewind to the marches protesting the Iraq War, and the coverage they got.
Tommy
@RandomMonster: They got none.
crosspalms
One of my cats told me to go with Wildcat Red. Luckily I didn’t put any money (cat said she was broke) on it!
? Martin
@efgoldman:
Given the private jets, I dispute that.
Mnemosyne
In case you needed another reason to mock the Wall Street Journal:
Why California Chrome Won’t Win the Kentucky Derby
catclub
@? Martin: I always liked the description of the clientele of Mississippi riverside gambling establishments. “We got treated like royalty since we had all of our teeth.”
@Tripod: “it still gives a shit about the sport of kings.” I thought that was falconry?
SiubhanDuinne
@Mnemosyne:
FYWSJ.
Howard Beale IV
J. Michael Strazinski has surfaced with a barnburner:.
SiubhanDuinne
@Howard Beale IV:
Holy shit.
Nicole
Just got back from a Derby party- yesterday I had my dad place wagers for me (NYC still has no OTBs, boo), none of which were on California Chrome, as I anticipated a faster pace and that he wouldn’t get the distance. At the party, I put $5 in a hat and drew out his name. I was delighted, as I got 12-1 odds on him via the hat. So I ended up breaking even overall. As the joke goes, thank goodness; I needed the money.
As a fan, I’m thrilled he won. Seventy-seven-year-old small-time trainer, a horse with cheap bloodlines, and the owners have “DAP” on the silks, for “Dumb Ass Partners” which is what someone called them when they bought California Chrome’s mother. I hope he wins the Triple Crown. Even if he doesn’t, that mare they bought for $8,000 is worth a lot more money than she was yesterday.
Calming Influence
@trollhattan: I lived in Yuba City when I was stationed at Beale AFB. Never saw a horse.
Paul in KY
Went to Derby. In the infield. Beautiful day, although a bit cool in the morning. Giuant video screen is GIANT! You can see it from 4 or 5 blocks away (when on). Had $100.00 to win on California Chrome. Also had the Place/Show money on the horse that finished 2nd to Wise Dan in Woodford Turf Classic. That got me back to about $50.00 down as I lost every other race I bet on.
Paul in KY
@crosspalms: I had an exacta on Cal Chrome & Wildcat Red. He was up there for awhile & then he wasn’t…