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You are here: Home / Open Threads / There are Some Things White Privilege Can’t Buy

There are Some Things White Privilege Can’t Buy

by John Cole|  May 21, 20148:41 pm| 78 Comments

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Conversation with Shawn on the back porch ten minutes ago:

Me (noticing I am no longer fish belly white): “Looks like I am starting to get a little color.”

Shawn: “You call that color?”

Me: “At least I am not glowing anymore.”

What are you all up to tonight? BTW- wasn’t there supposed to be a new three episode Sherlock Holmes that came out recently? Did I miss it?

*** Update ***

Here is an early contribution to throwback Thursday. Me and my buddies getting ready for a night on the town (likely at the Green Goose) in Fulda 1991. I remember when I could wear pants without a belt, I swear I do.

fulda1991

If you will notice (as I did), my fingers are mostly straight and unbroken.

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  1. 1.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 21, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Fuck Shawn, jaundice is a color.

  2. 2.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 21, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    I’m digging this new front pager, Joe McCarthy or whatever.

  3. 3.

    Hunter Gathers

    May 21, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    wasn’t there supposed to be a new three episode Sherlock Holmes that came out recently? Did I miss it?

    Yep.

    They were in January.

  4. 4.

    some guy

    May 21, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    No they just had 3 new episodes. Awesome. MI6 NSA stuff.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    May 21, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Why are you no longer so white? Did I miss that story?

  6. 6.

    jame

    May 21, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    John Cole, you crack me up. Passing this along to me daughter who often glowers at me.

  7. 7.

    scav

    May 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    @Baud: The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier, it’s an Easter Egg on the missing DVD.

  8. 8.

    Howard Beale IV

    May 21, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Some eeejet though that making a Tumblr using a homonym of Thomas Piketty’s name was a brilliant idea.

    What it proved was those who make fun of someone’s last name should be forever mocked/attacked.

  9. 9.

    The Dangerman

    May 21, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    “Ecru Like Me”

  10. 10.

    Belafon

    May 21, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    The episodes are out on DVD but not on Netflix yet.

  11. 11.

    raven

    May 21, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    T-shirt lookin ofay mofo.

  12. 12.

    RobertDSC-Power Mac G5 Dual

    May 21, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    LOL.

    Tumblr has been a Godsend for my sudden interest in the TV show Orphan Black. I’ve raced through the first 13 episodes and am now caught up in it completely. The last two episodes were watched recently. Love that show so much.

  13. 13.

    raven

    May 21, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    @Belafon: Amazon has it streamed $$$$$$$.

  14. 14.

    jl

    May 21, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    ‘Fish Belly’ White was a some bluegrass picker, warn’t he?

  15. 15.

    Violet

    May 21, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Funny how white people want so badly not to be toowhite. Even resort to spray tans. All while looking down on people who’ve got the beige-ier skin naturally.

  16. 16.

    burnspbesq

    May 21, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    I didn’t know this until today, but there is a website out there somewhere where one can buy a high-resolution download of the 2010 Phish Halloween show, where they covered “Waiting for Columbus” in its entirety.

    Just thought Cole, a fellow Little Feat fan, would be interested in knowing that.

  17. 17.

    burnspbesq

    May 21, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    @jl:

    ‘Fish Belly’ White was a some bluegrass picker, warn’t he?

    That was Clarence White.

  18. 18.

    phantomist

    May 21, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    After spending 5 days and about 20 hours in the woods I finally scored. Found 12 black morels and 26 grays and 15 huge whites (northern michigan). There’s probably two days a year I can cook a meal worthy of saying fuck you Anthony Bourdain, tonight’s omelet was one of them. Fresh eggs from a neighbor, half a sweet onion and a mixture of 10 mushrooms, crunchy french bread with a ton of butter. Life is good.

  19. 19.

    burnspbesq

    May 21, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    @Howard Beale IV:

    Evan Soltas isn’t your garden-variety idjit. IIRC, he used to work for Ezra at Wonkbook.

  20. 20.

    scav

    May 21, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    @phantomist: Holy Houby!

  21. 21.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 21, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    @phantomist: Had black morels at last night’s dinner, accompanying 30-day aged pigeon; the morels stuffed with boudin made from the same bird.

  22. 22.

    raven

    May 21, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Rachel is all over the VA.

  23. 23.

    raven

    May 21, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    dupe

  24. 24.

    Baud

    May 21, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    @raven:

    Good show so far. So was Chris Hayes’s.

  25. 25.

    lamh36

    May 21, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    Alright, my fellow comic book geeks (or just your run of the mill comic book movie peeps)

    I swear, it’s NOT all X-Men all the time, but for obvious reasons (the new movie this Friday) they seems to be playing every last X-Men movie in the last 14 years (yeah it’s been 14 years since the very first X-Men movie!!! Wrap your minds around that). So now I’m watching Wolverine: Origins. I know some people didn’t like it, but I thought it was okay. The BIG draw for me though…GAMBIT!!!!!! THE RAGIN’ CAJUN!

    I really, really don’t want Channing Tatum to play Gambit. Taylor Kitsch was actually really good as Gambit. Heck, he was probably the best thing about Wolverine: Origns, oh and Deadpool before they sealed his mouth shut. ! I”m was hell naw…this dude from Wolverine was good!!!

    As a friend of mine said, Channing is muscular, Gambit was more wiry than musclar. Also too, I just have this feeling Channing is gonna butcher Gambit’s Cajun accent. I”m kinda hoping it falls through though.

    So any other X-Men fans out there?

  26. 26.

    Keith G

    May 21, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    @Violet: Generalize much?

  27. 27.

    StringOnAStick

    May 21, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    My husband just called to tell me his flight home was delayed by 3 hours because it was too stacked up here in Denver, thanks to the shutdown over a nearby tornado 2 hours ago, plus drifts of hail. It has been wild here since 1PM today, with 3 more days of the same on tap apparently. My garden is suitably covered in hail-deflectors only because it is small enough to do so.

    We’re chatting and then they announce “everyone back to the gate, we can go RIGHT NOW!”. I wonder if that’s going to work out, since you just know someone said “3 hours? Let’s hit the ca$ino downtown”. He’ll text me before they take off, just in case this was all some elaborate hoax.

    He just texted that they are closing the doors, so they are soon to be on their way. Just in time for another nasty storm brewing here on the west side of town, which should hit the airport just in time for his arrival….

  28. 28.

    BBA

    May 21, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    Jeff Sessions is not amused by your pot jokes.

  29. 29.

    Hungry Joe

    May 21, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Cole’s tale inspired me to play “A Whiter Shade of Pale.” As carefully as I listened I could not hear anything to indicate that Boko Haram would end up going in the direction they did.

  30. 30.

    phantomist

    May 21, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Sounds awesome. I’m a single guy, and have never attempted a whole bird, whether pigeon or turkey. I’m learning though.

  31. 31.

    JPL

    May 21, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    I’ve have watched Modern Family maybe 8 times over the years but tonight’s episode has me in tears in a good way. MItch and Cam got married.

  32. 32.

    raven

    May 21, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    @Hungry Joe: Here are the chapters in Breaking the Waves with Whiter Shade included.

  33. 33.

    lamh36

    May 21, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    @JPL: Damn. I forgot to record that one. I’m gonna have to find it online when it’s available or on demand

  34. 34.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 21, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    @phantomist: I didn’t cook it myself. I’m not nearly that good, and aging a dead bird is way beyond my comfort level anyway.

  35. 35.

    JPL

    May 21, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    @StringOnAStick: Although, he’ll be fine, the waiting is not fun.

  36. 36.

    gbear

    May 21, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    @StringOnAStick: Good luck to your husband when he gets back to Denver. Were there a lot of empty seats from people who went gambling?

  37. 37.

    Cassidy

    May 21, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    @lamh36: I was back in the 90’s. I stopped when it became all Wolverine all the time. I won’t watch the movies because I’m a purist.

  38. 38.

    JPL

    May 21, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    @lamh36: ABC will have it online tomorrow, or at least that is what most networks do. It was good.

  39. 39.

    StringOnAStick

    May 21, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    @gbear: It was a short text, so I don’t know if they left people behind who believed the initial 3 hour delay gambit.

    Now it is getting way too flashy and thundery, and our poor kitty hates that stuff so we’re going to the basement where these noisy light demons can’t see her.

  40. 40.

    trollhattan

    May 21, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Who’s up for “The Americans” season finale? Swear the show hasn’t had one off note this year.

  41. 41.

    Hill Dweller

    May 21, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    @raven: Maddow did a good job laying out the problems at the VA over the last 20+ years, but Paul Rieckhoff comes on and pretends it just happened in the last 6 years. Dollars to donuts Rieckhoff runs for political office as a Republican in the near future.

  42. 42.

    Southern Beale

    May 21, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    I was asked to pass this story on to all of the animal lovers at BJ: some asshole in Nashville decided to use a young orange tabby as target practice. Sweet Timmy was shot in both front legs but amazingly survived (9 lives, y’all) and is doing much better, despite having serious injuries and losing a leg. He survived thanks to the good folks at Nashville Cat Rescue, link at the story.

  43. 43.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 21, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    @lamh36:
    I was, once. More a New Mutants fan. I’m afraid Gambit was introduced exactly during the period when I ragequit Marvel and superhero comics in general. There was a huge push to make things more gritty and edgy, with crossovers and teams getting shaken up, and… well, I’m in too good a mood to launch into a rant. What I liked about the comics stopped happening, and I stopped reading!

  44. 44.

    Lymie

    May 21, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    John is just the type I liked in college….

  45. 45.

    raven

    May 21, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    @Southern Beale: Here’s the link.

  46. 46.

    raven

    May 21, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    @Hill Dweller: From comments on an article about IAVA:

    I’m not going to shoot off into a rant, let me just say this: Paul has developed a “non-profit” organization out of self promotion to launch a political career, I would bet the farm that within the next 5-10 years he runs for some sort of democratic position in either New York or Washington DC. He talks about veteran unemployment yet look at the staff and board at IAVA, less than half are veterans, maybe you could cut your grossly compensated self ($120K/year) and put that money towards your supposed goals. Not to mention that he travels to every single sporting event offered through many of his corporate sponsors that “have our backs”… what a crock of bullshit, he’s using money that was donated to help the “cause” to jet set all over the country and rub elbows, further expanding his network and notoriety.. Just look over the financial statements of this “non-profit” and look where the money really goes… what a scam… Miller High Life has veterans backs? Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah that’s just what veterans really need, more alcohol in their lives, I’ve not heard him ONCE mention the detrimental effect that alcohol is having on our returning veterans with PTSD… Anyway I’ll stop running my mouth, but I know when I smell bullshit, doesn’t take much to tell which way the wind is blowing… You have our backs eh? More like riding on our backs to prop up your future political aspirations… Bi partisan my ass, anyone who can’t see this clear as day is a fool

  47. 47.

    Joseph Nobles

    May 21, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Jiminy Cricket, someone needs to front page TNC’s soon-to-be-a-Pulitzer-Prize-winning article “The Case for Reparations.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

    Sure, it was posted within the hour, but that’s no excuse.

  48. 48.

    jl

    May 21, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    Just heard a news report about Science Results.
    Do pet mice and hamsters run on their treadmills because they think its fun, or because they are stressed, bored and gone bonkers from captivity.

    So, some Brits put out little treadmills in the wild and found wild mice, gophers frogs and other small critters liked to run in them.

    So, I don’t know what to make of it. Maybe being low on the food chain out in the wild stresses and bonkers them out too.

  49. 49.

    Hill Dweller

    May 21, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    @raven: Rieckhoff’s ambition was palpable the first time I saw him on Maddow’s show years ago, but he’s become really nasty recently.

  50. 50.

    The Pale Scot

    May 21, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    I am currently engaged in this adventure, as succinctly described by XKCD; “Old Files”,

    Reducing my collection of old computers and hard drives to prepare for a move.

  51. 51.

    Schlemizel

    May 21, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    I’m celtic/scandinavian, I never try to tan just hope to neutralize the blue.

  52. 52.

    JPL

    May 21, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    @jl: Maybe they think it’s fun. Marathon runners get a high from running so maybe it’s the same thing.

  53. 53.

    Schlemizel

    May 21, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    @phantomist:
    Oh gawd! I have not found morels in a couple of years now. Stopped when I was so sick & either someone is getting there before me or they are gone. You are one lucky bastard & I envy you muchly. enjoy!

  54. 54.

    beltane

    May 21, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    @jl: Prey animals live very stressful lives no matter where they live. I don’t think you’d ever see a cat using a treadmill for fun or relaxation.

  55. 55.

    Schlemizel

    May 21, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    BTW – daughter actually went back to work tonight after emergency surgery Sunday night. She is planning on writing a complaint to the hospital where the dr sent her home with tranquilizers rather than examining her. Mom is now bored & want to see if she can catch an earlier flight home so all is well after a close call.

  56. 56.

    catclub

    May 21, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    @The Pale Scot: ANIMORPHS-NOVEL.RTF I laughed.

  57. 57.

    jl

    May 21, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    @JPL:
    @beltane:

    Someone told me that if you make a treadmill for dogs, they like to run in them. He had some oldster relatives out on the farm who made one so the dog could run a water pump, and the dog loved to run in it.

    Anyway, I thought the story was funny. I was trying to visualize how a frog would hop itself around inside a treadmill. But, everyone already knew frogs are crazy little effers, right?

  58. 58.

    Keith G

    May 21, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    @raven: From the quote you use…

    . Just look over the financial statements of this “non-profit” and look where the money really goes… what a scam

    So, I did.

    Their admin budget is 10.5% of their total budget. Fundraising (which is often the way a disingenuous organization launders it’s money) takes 8.9%.

    Now, I make no claims as to knowing about Paul Rieckhoff’s moral or ethical path, or if indeed he has his eyes set on some larger, personal political goal. Charitynavigator.org has an evaluation of IAVA which shows a very high degree of transparency and accountability.

  59. 59.

    lamh36

    May 21, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    @Cassidy: @Frankensteinbeck:

    I freely admit to getting into the X-Men during the 90s era animated tv series. I’ve always wanted to get into the comics side, but the amount of dedication it takes just too much for me. I have though gone back and read up on all things, and honestly just have no idea how/where to start in the comic universe.

    But ever since 90s I have become X-Men obsessed and have made sure I’m aware of as much of the comic illiteration as possible while not having read them personally

    Someone once asked me to rank my top 5 X-Men: #5 Jean Gray (but mostly when she was Phoenix, before then I found her boring), #4: Gambit & #3 Rogue(You can probably thank the tv series for that and also I loved, loved, loved the Gambit/Rogue romance). #2 Wolverine (I’ve always been a fan, but I’ll admit, when the role went to Jackman, I became more of a Wolverine fan and began to read up more of the comic versions). #1 Storm (no explanation, just that the Storm of the comics/tv series was a badasss, the movie version…not so much)

  60. 60.

    joel hanes

    May 21, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    I remember when I could wear pants without a belt

    I remember when I had a waist for a belt to go around.

  61. 61.

    jenn

    May 21, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    @jl: There were actually dogs bred to do this way back in the day – they ran in this hollow wheel thing on the wall, which turned a spit, so the meat didn’t burn on the fire.

  62. 62.

    PurpleGirl

    May 21, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    @Schlemizel: Tell her to copy the complaint to her insurance company, the state regulator and whatever doctor’s association is in the state. Everyone needs to be told about the doctor’s misdiagnosis.

    ETA: Also a hospital association if there is one.

  63. 63.

    Gvg

    May 21, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    @Schlemizel: [email protected]beltane: @beltane: Google YouTube cats on treadmills. There are many cats who love them. My favorite is a cat named November learning to use one to the rocky theme. It’s a Turkish Angora like I had for years. There is also a pair of brown Siamese types that are cute.

  64. 64.

    phantomist

    May 21, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    @Schlemizel:

    I’ve found that you really just need to like walking in the woods. I was skunked last year, but still found antlers, ramps and few cool old bottles.
    All the best to you and your daughter.

  65. 65.

    Suffern ACE

    May 21, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    I don’t know why I found the findings unusual, but apparently urban renewal is still a figment of the imagination in most cities.

  66. 66.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    May 21, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    @phantomist:

    Many’s the happy hour I spent gathering Amanita muscaria back in the day.

  67. 67.

    jurassicpork

    May 21, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    Subtlety- It’s lost on some.

  68. 68.

    satby

    May 21, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    Morels are going for $40/lb here in SW MI. I thought about trying to look for some, it’s a big sport around here, but I hate ticks way more than I like mushrooms.

  69. 69.

    satby

    May 21, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    @Schlemizel: Glad to hear she’s better!

  70. 70.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 21, 2014 at 11:06 pm

    @lamh36:
    In the X-Men, I liked Rogue and Nightcrawler, serious freaks who dealt with their isolation by being flashy and fun loving. Nightcrawler’s dimension-hopping miniseries was hysterical. Mostly I liked the New Mutants. You would not recognize anything from the early New Mutants issues in modern Marvel. I liked the whole team, but especially Rahne Sinclair, the twelve year old Scottish werewolf, who might have been the daughter of a prostitute, or that might just have been the kind of abusive thing the hyper-conservative backwoods preacher who raised her and tried to burn her at the stake said. Desperately shy and afraid of herself and her own love of life, she was a compelling character until they reversed her entire personality because Liefeld. I liked Ilyanna, corrupt and evil from her childhood as a demon’s plaything, but trying to be good. I liked Warlock, completely alien in body and culture, who reveled in a civilization where kindness rather than murder was a virtue. All the characters were messed up and fascinating to me in one way or another. When the comic stopped being about that, I left and never came back.

  71. 71.

    Violet

    May 21, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    @Keith G: Yeah, me and all the tanning salons and spray-tanned celebrities and self-tanning lotions and cultural focus on getting a tan in the summer. All while people who naturally have darker skin are treated differently–and most often less than–by the general culture.

  72. 72.

    Mnemosyne

    May 21, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    @Violet:

    It’s very much a class thing. Back in the days when having a tan meant you worked outside all day, upper-class people had pale skin. Once most people moved to indoor (office) jobs, the new sign of being upper-class was to have a tan, because it meant you had leisure time to spend outdoors.

    I blame Coco Chanel, though really she just popularized an existing trend.

  73. 73.

    Violet

    May 22, 2014 at 12:02 am

    @Mnemosyne: Yep that’s how it started. But the general culture supports “tanned is healthy” as a concept and sells it hard. Being “naturally tan” isn’t quite as desirable.

  74. 74.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 22, 2014 at 12:03 am

    @burnspbesq: My god, that sounds horrible. Thank you for warning us.

  75. 75.

    Mnemosyne

    May 22, 2014 at 12:13 am

    @Violet:

    Again, same as it always was. Cary Grant became a tanned superstar. Ricardo Montalban, not so much.

  76. 76.

    Origuy

    May 22, 2014 at 2:56 am

    @jenn: They were called “Turnspit Dogs“. Once they were no longer needed, the breed went extinct.

    The dogs were also taken to church to serve as foot warmers. One story says that during service at a church in Bath, the Bishop of Gloucester gave a sermon and uttered the line “It was then that Ezekiel saw the wheel…”. At the mention of the word “wheel” several turnspit dogs, who had been brought to church as foot warmers, ran for the door.

  77. 77.

    Sondra

    May 22, 2014 at 9:11 am

    Which Sherlock?

    The British version with Benedict Cumberbatch, or our USA version “Elementary” with Jonny Lee Miller?

  78. 78.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Can I just say how glad I am the bathrobe and ascot look is dead and gone?

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