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Friday Open Thread: Public Art Edition

by Betty Cracker|  May 23, 20149:35 am| 89 Comments

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This Airstream sculpture grouping that is exhibited on I-4 between Tampa and Orlando is controversial:

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I don’t understand why since it’s fabulous. There was a character in a Tom Robbins novel (Skinny Legs and All I think?) who welds aluminum drumsticks onto an Airstream and becomes a celebrated artist.

Looking forward to the long weekend. I wasn’t sure what to do with myself, but valued commenter Tybee inspired me with an idea on an earlier thread: I’ve been meaning to borrow my sister’s kayak and explore some mangrove tunnels, so maybe I’ll do that.

What are y’all up to?

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  1. 1.

    cleek

    May 23, 2014 at 9:39 am

    it’s friday, i’m working.

  2. 2.

    FlyingToaster

    May 23, 2014 at 9:44 am

    We’re off to the local (8 blocks!) historical estate for their plant sale. In the rain.

    Then a garden day, since the trip to the Children’s Museum was cancelled at 8am due to WarriorGirl kicking me in the face.

    I have about 50 seedlings that need to have their peat plug covers split and them potted into bigger cells. Next week they’ll be big enough for the cold frame. And the days will be in the 70s and nights above 50 (good for the basil and parsley, the tomatoes and peppers can stay in the basement another week).

    I envision a trip to Agway.

    Later is the last teacher conference of the year, then WarriorGirl’s musicianship class, which I may pawn off onto my husband pleading headache.

  3. 3.

    danielx

    May 23, 2014 at 9:47 am

    NOT going to the Speedway to see Sammy Hagar and Sublime for Carburetion Day*. Aside from that, hopefully seeing some live music elsewhere and enjoying some absolutely gorgeous weather. Aside from the usual tasks that is….

    *Yes, yes, I know they haven’t used actual carburetors on regular cars for thirty years at least, let alone on open wheel race cars. Tradition.

  4. 4.

    Joel

    May 23, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Didn’t Sublime cease to exist nearly 20 years ago?

  5. 5.

    Trentrunner

    May 23, 2014 at 9:57 am

    borrow my sister’s kayak and explore some mangrove tunnels

    So that’s what the kids are calling it these days? Be safe!

  6. 6.

    Schlemizel

    May 23, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Mrs. will be returning for caring for our daughter late Saturday night. Daughter recovered very well & even went back to work (which is good because there is no paid time off. Given the quick turn around & no need for nursing care Mrs. S drove a couple of hours and saw a couple of cousins she has not seen in a awhile. They spend a very fun night from what I hear. So the rip was successful on many levels.

    I imagine she’ll want to relax a bit once home but the weather is predicted to be perfect so I expect to put some miles on the bikes Sunday and Monday. Knock the rust off our joints & I should be plenty stiff & sore in time for Work Tuesday.

  7. 7.

    RaflW

    May 23, 2014 at 10:00 am

    I assume by controversial, folks mean “I think it’s ugly.”

    If that’s the case, then the entire Houston, TX, metro area freeway system is out of control controversial. Because 100,000 monopole billboards hawking everything from guns to $99 divorce to women’s fur coats is the most gawdawful visual assault on the senses that can be imagined (by stupid people, to boot!).

    As opposed to a half dozen partially buried Airstreams, which is quirky and, at freeway speeds, over in about 4 seconds or something.

  8. 8.

    Belafon

    May 23, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Went to a really cool concert last night. Mark Wood, of Transiberian Orchestra, goes to various schools (for a fee, though it only took like one fundraiser to get the money, so it wasn’t really outrageous), and plays some rock music with the orchestra students. Imagine a bunch of middle school violinists, cellists, and bass players walking around, swaying and really having a lot of fun while playing Crazy Train, Enter Sandman, and We Will Rock You. My son had a lot of fun up there.

  9. 9.

    Charles Doggart

    May 23, 2014 at 10:01 am

    It’s Amarillo’s Cadillac Ranch, but with campers. Now all you need is a steak house with an eating challenge and you’ll be all caught up.

  10. 10.

    RaflW

    May 23, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Oh, and besides ranting and raving on the internet, I’ll be getting new tires for the car today, in advance of a big summer road trip with the Mr. that’s coming up in June.

  11. 11.

    Roxy

    May 23, 2014 at 10:03 am

    I love the Airstream sculpture grouping.

    Tonight me and my sisters are going to see SF Giants game beat the Twins. Go Timmie. Not sure what we are going to do for the rest of the long weekend. For sure not driving or flying.

  12. 12.

    EriktheRed

    May 23, 2014 at 10:03 am

    No long weekend for me. I have to work tomorrow and I’ll probably have to work Sundy as well.

  13. 13.

    maya

    May 23, 2014 at 10:05 am

    I’ve heard of similar art (still a work in progress) of Subarus in a Farmer’s Field, somewhere in WV.

    If each Airstream had a Commandment engraved upon it would it be more, or less, controversial?

  14. 14.

    danielx

    May 23, 2014 at 10:06 am

    @Joel:

    Wouldn’t know, I just know I don’t want to see any show with Sammy Hagar as the headliner. Besides, I’m kinda past wanting to hang out with thousands of drunks. A few dozen, no problem, but thousands, no. The people and the noise, y’know – I’m with Yogi Berra: nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.

    Edit: now there’s a place featuring bands called Melodious Thonk and Kapow at Midnight playing tonight. Sounds right up my alley, as it were.

  15. 15.

    different-church-lady

    May 23, 2014 at 10:10 am

    @Charles Doggart: The fact that it’s a rip-off of Cadillac Ranch ought to be the controversy.

  16. 16.

    AliceBlue

    May 23, 2014 at 10:14 am

    I’ll be working–Saturday, Sunday and Monday. Sigh.

    That’s law #1 of retail. When everyone else is off, you’re working.

  17. 17.

    Emma

    May 23, 2014 at 10:15 am

    I love it. A Stonehenge for our times.

  18. 18.

    Chickamin Slam

    May 23, 2014 at 10:15 am

    It’s Florida. Anything becomes controversial. Why in a few years swimming will ignite a firestorm of debate. Is the breast stroke or backstroke the most efficient way to swim to work? Or should the government give vouchers to those that don’t have a skidoo as an incentive to buy?

  19. 19.

    MikeJ

    May 23, 2014 at 10:18 am

    @danielx: You can skip the race. Hamilton and Rosberg are going to finish it 1st and 2nd even though they will actually be in Monaco finishing that race 1st and 2nd.

  20. 20.

    dr. bloor

    May 23, 2014 at 10:21 am

    @different-church-lady: Eh, think of it as an “homage.”

    Easy to see how it makes Floridians uncomfortable. That’s basically their future when the Giant Hoax That Is Global Warming finishes off those ice shelves and turns the dial on hurricanes up to eleventeen.

  21. 21.

    Tone In DC

    May 23, 2014 at 10:22 am

    @FlyingToaster:

    Then a garden day, since the trip to the Children’s Museum was cancelled at 8am due to WarriorGirl kicking me in the face.

    No Playstation for the kid!

  22. 22.

    fidelio

    May 23, 2014 at 10:24 am

    @Charles Doggart:
    @different-church-lady:

    I don’t know if the Ant Farm Collective crowd would by annoyed by the re-use of their idea with Airstreams, or amused by it. At least the trailers aren’t invisible under graffiti yet.

  23. 23.

    ruemara

    May 23, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Quietly tearing my hair out and job hunting. I don’t know. Product launch did not meet the poobah’s expectations. You’d think the fact that the people in charge of the launch & my training taking a hike a couple of weeks before would be noted as a potential cause. You’d also think the direction to scrap the campaign due to said people taking a hike would also be noted. But it is obvious incompetence on my part , since I was supposed to stroll in, and with no training, no experience, and no guidance, orchestrate a product launch that sold several hundred units in 2 days-by myself. I need to get a job where people don’t pick the black woman because they’ve hit a disaster and they need to blame her for not fixing shit right away and creating a goddamned diamond out of it. If it had been the only thing on my plate, it would have been enough. But I’m also responsible for the entire online learning portal vendor search, customer service and tech support. None of which have any experienced staff to guide me. This is why black people are crazy. Life like this makes you go nuts.

  24. 24.

    the Conster

    May 23, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Boomer and Ellen Cherry, and the room with the wolfmother wallpaper. My favorite book.

  25. 25.

    Ben Cisco

    May 23, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Hey, you guys remember that asshole who stole the Sandy Hook memorial sign, then called the victim’s mother and claimed her child never existed? Thought it couldn’t get any weirder? YOU. WERE. WRONG.

  26. 26.

    Tone In DC

    May 23, 2014 at 10:29 am

    None of which have any experienced staff to guide me. This is why black people are crazy. Life like this makes you go nuts.

    Not that it’ll help things where you are, but I’ve seen similar treatment at several jobs (they all happened under the maladministration of a certain Connecticut cowboy, funny how that worked). It was like a bad movie. But it actually happened.
    One woman just left the office one day and simply didn’t come back, no notice or anything. Given the situation, I definitely could not blame her.

  27. 27.

    Amir Khalid

    May 23, 2014 at 10:29 am

    @different-church-lady: ‘
    Ah, but is Bruce Springsteen writing a song about it?

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 23, 2014 at 10:35 am

    My favorite public art installation is quite new — huge, beautiful horses’ heads (“The Kelpies”) — located in Scotland midway between Edinburgh and Glasgow. This is most definitely on my must-visit list for the next UK trip.

    In other news, feeling slightly nostalgic as today would have been my 50th wedding anniversary. Sadly, the marriage ended in divorce, but Ken and I remained good friends right up until his death, and I am grateful for that.

  29. 29.

    Avi

    May 23, 2014 at 10:36 am

    @Chickamin Slam:

    Or should the government give vouchers to those that don’t have a skidoo as an incentive to buy?

    That’ll never happen with our Legislature, but they might do a sales tax exemption. Unless the vouchers are a way to give money to their Talibangelist friends; then they might do it, until our Supreme Court strikes it down (thanks to the Chiles appointees who are still there).

  30. 30.

    Face

    May 23, 2014 at 10:37 am

    What’s controversial about that?

  31. 31.

    CaseyL

    May 23, 2014 at 10:41 am

    This is Folklife Festival weekend in Seattle!

    Plus a 60s tribute band I love is playing tomorrow night, and I’ll likely go and shake my booty.

  32. 32.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 23, 2014 at 10:42 am

    @Ben Cisco:

    I just can’t begin to wrap my brain around this. There are no words.

  33. 33.

    Emma

    May 23, 2014 at 10:43 am

    @Ben Cisco: Jeezuz. Honestly, I could have gone all my life not knowing there were people like that out there.

  34. 34.

    the Conster

    May 23, 2014 at 10:46 am

    @Ben Cisco:

    I read that earlier from my FB feed, and am trying to put it out of my mind. I don’t think we need to search the heavens for alien life forms – there are pod people among us. When they finally figure out where he lives, which they will, he’ll go all Men in Black on them.

  35. 35.

    Betty Cracker

    May 23, 2014 at 10:46 am

    @ruemara: That is crazy-making. I’m sorry.

    @Ben Cisco: Can’t wait to read about the perp walk. What a sorry excuse for a human being.

  36. 36.

    Emma

    May 23, 2014 at 10:47 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Oh My God. I’m booking planes and hotels the moment I can afford them.

  37. 37.

    feebog

    May 23, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Golf on Saturday, dinner party and cards with friends on Sunday, then heading to Vegas Monday to celebrate by *9th birthday. Enjoy your weekend everyone.

  38. 38.

    ruemara

    May 23, 2014 at 10:53 am

    You know, I like the Airstream Henge. It’s got whimsy. I like whimsy.

    @SiubhanDuinne: condolences and that makes me wish to go abroad.

  39. 39.

    SatanicPanic

    May 23, 2014 at 10:56 am

    If I’m totally recovered from this cold I’ve had… party! If not, maybe go see a movie. We’re trying to decide what movie to see- XMen, Godzilla or wait for Transformers. I am leaning toward Godzilla, my son is saying Xmen and Transformers doesn’t come out for a few more weeks. I guess it will probably be XMen.

  40. 40.

    debit

    May 23, 2014 at 10:58 am

    @Ben Cisco: I have no words.

  41. 41.

    Ruckus

    May 23, 2014 at 10:58 am

    @Ben Cisco:
    WTF????
    I’m almost speechless. And for me that’s saying something.

    What a total fucking asshole.

    OK now I’m speechless.

  42. 42.

    danielx

    May 23, 2014 at 11:06 am

    WTF? is wordpress eating comments?

  43. 43.

    NotMax

    May 23, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Can readily think of any number of movies whose trailers ought to be buried.

  44. 44.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 23, 2014 at 11:08 am

    @Emma:

    I know! Aren’t they amazing?

  45. 45.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 23, 2014 at 11:10 am

    @ruemara:

    Thanks, ruemara. No need at all to condole, it’s all a long time ago. I was really just kind of shaking my head in amazement, because fifty years, holy cow!

  46. 46.

    PaulW

    May 23, 2014 at 11:13 am

    I’ve driven by that Airstream Carhenge a dozen times, just this year alone! Why is it so controversial?

    By the by, someone – a Mrs. Jen Swann Downey – beat me to the punch with a library ninjas young adult novel. Dammit, I knew there was a market for it, never followed through…

  47. 47.

    Emma

    May 23, 2014 at 11:14 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous. And I’ve always wanted to take a barge trip…

  48. 48.

    PaulW

    May 23, 2014 at 11:15 am

    @SatanicPanic:

    everyone will be lining up to see X-Men this weekend. Try Godzilla, it’s decent (there are issues with its overall lack of kaiju punching kaiju, but it’s a damn well-made movie which you can’t say – Michael Bay cough – about other summer blockbusters).

  49. 49.

    NotMax

    May 23, 2014 at 11:16 am

    @PaulW

    Ninja nannies are the future.

  50. 50.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 23, 2014 at 11:17 am

    @ruemara:

    Now that I’ve read my way backwards in the thread, I see that I am the one who needs to condole with you. With all the great conversation and, I think, a lot of soul-searching recently about reparations and white privilege, it still rather takes me aback to learn through your (and others’) everyday experiences just how pervasive racism remains, and how raw it is. Thank you for your willingness to share those experiences; it can’t be easy.

  51. 51.

    geg6

    May 23, 2014 at 11:18 am

    I have a four day weekend and I’m doing as little as I possibly can.

    Well, I do have to do some housework, the laundry and make a barley and asparagus salad for the family festivities on Monday, but that’s it. And I might tackle the bonus room that I’ve been ignoring for about four years now, what with the detritus of John’s daughter’s belongings still piled in there and all the boxes of my own stuff from when I moved in. We never use the room, so I have ignored it successfully up until now. But I really want to spur John into putting some real effort into selling this huge barn of a house. And getting the place into better order might help provide some motivation.

    So that whole thing about doing nothing is just a fantasy.

  52. 52.

    PaulW

    May 23, 2014 at 11:20 am

    @NotMax:

    Mary Poppins: Jujitsu Master

  53. 53.

    piratedan

    May 23, 2014 at 11:23 am

    getting the house ready to go on the market… so touch up painting and decluttering in preparation for the new flooring which is replacing the flooring that we bought nearly two years ago that turned out to be fucked up (and a long arduous process that was to prove that we weren’t the cause of the non-existent water damage)…. so I’ll live vicariously thru you guys and your holiday adventures…

  54. 54.

    NotMax

    May 23, 2014 at 11:24 am

    @PaulW

    You didn’t think there wasn’t a sword in that umbrella, did you?

    :)

    “Think you can handle this unruly brood, ninja nanny?”

    “Shuriken.”

  55. 55.

    SatanicPanic

    May 23, 2014 at 11:27 am

    @PaulW: Our family likes even the Michael Bay robots. I know, we have bad taste. We also like kaiju. Basically, if Hollywood could release a new Pacific Rim sequel every summer we’d be there.

  56. 56.

    Ben Cisco

    May 23, 2014 at 11:38 am

    @Betty Cracker: I will admit to having a fleeting moment when I wished for an entirely different, and painful, outcome.

    Trying to be the better person is, at times, most difficult…

  57. 57.

    boatboy_srq

    May 23, 2014 at 11:48 am

    This Airstream sculpture grouping that is exhibited on I-4 between Tampa and Orlando is controversial:

    Trailer. Trash. End of story.

    Another I’m-in-I.T.-so-weekends-are-meaningless three-day slogfest here.

  58. 58.

    ranchandsyrup

    May 23, 2014 at 11:49 am

    My mom is in town. Delighting the grandkids and driving us insane with her forcefully stated antiquated opinions.

  59. 59.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 23, 2014 at 11:54 am

    @geg6:

    When is the wedding? Must be getting pretty close. Did you ever manage to find the dress and shoes you were shopping for?

  60. 60.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 23, 2014 at 11:54 am

    @geg6:

    When is the wedding? Must be getting pretty close. Did you ever manage to find the dress and shoes you were shopping for?

  61. 61.

    chopper

    May 23, 2014 at 11:59 am

    @Chickamin Slam:

    Or should the government give vouchers to those that don’t have a skidoo

    how about 23 of em?

  62. 62.

    Elizabelle

    May 23, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Happy 50th anniversary of bride and groom day. Bittersweet, indeed.

  63. 63.

    Morbo

    May 23, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Top Gear would love that sculpture. Anything that results in a destroyed “caravan”.

  64. 64.

    Elizabelle

    May 23, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    I like Airstream-Henge.

    Have seen the Cadillacs near Amarillo, TX. What’s even weirder is the land behind, which looks like a cash crop of used aerosol paint cans festooning the fields. People spray paint the Caddies; toss the cans. It’s Texas.

    Public art, and a little exercise walking out from your vehicle.

    My late great pup’s name is on a Cadillac, under many layers of subsequent graffiti, no doubt. She was marching around the installation with me.

  65. 65.

    rea

    May 23, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    I’ve been meaning to borrow my sister’s kayak and explore some mangrove tunnels, so maybe I’ll do that.

    Pooor Betty, swallowed by a python while kayaking. We’ll miss her.

  66. 66.

    Robert Sneddon

    May 23, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    The Glasgow College of Art building is on fire according to the BBC. It’s not just the fact it’s a world-famous John Rennie Mackintosh building, it was the last day of prep for the final-year students and all their project work has gone up in flames along with the library, the interiors and everything else.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-27541883

  67. 67.

    cckids

    May 23, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    @maya: Well, Nebraska has Carhenge, which has even inspired a documentary (Genius or Junk).

    Personally, I think it’s fun. The campers, too, Betty. Much, much better than billboards.

    We report, you decide.

  68. 68.

    Elizabelle

    May 23, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    @Robert Sneddon: oh no. Terrible news. Hope the building can be restored. I love Mackintosh’s work.

    A shame about the students’ art, too. At least the building was safely evacuated.

  69. 69.

    Paul in KY

    May 23, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    @Joel: Their lead singer & main songwriter (at the time) passed away 10 or more years ago.

    Real shame.

  70. 70.

    Paul in KY

    May 23, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    @ruemara: Hope things get better for you.

  71. 71.

    Paul in KY

    May 23, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    @Ben Cisco: I look forward to when this sick bastard is in jail & also look forward to the guards telling the other inmates exactly what he did.

  72. 72.

    burnspbesq

    May 23, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    Mark Kleiman is one of those guys I don’t always agree with, but there is no denying that he is smart and thoughtful. This post is dead on. It should be read and taken to heart by a large number of folks who comment here.

    http://www.samefacts.com/2014/01/everything-else/megan-mcardle-sexism-and-blue-blogistan/

  73. 73.

    Bob In Portland

    May 23, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    You Tube video which appears to show Ukrainian helicopters firing on their own troops.

    This was the attack that was supposed to have been done by the separatists, which I suggested yesterday was a false flag.

    Dang those phones with cameras!

  74. 74.

    Fred

    May 23, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    I recall the Air Stream turned into a turkey, in the Robins book was supposed to have been an Air Stream motor home/van. I’ve never seen or heard of such a thing. Did they really make a motorized Air Stream? That would be pretty cool.

  75. 75.

    Paul in KY

    May 23, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    @burnspbesq: He’s completely wrong about her reasons for writing what she does. She’s a paid Koch hack whose job is to not let any inconvient facts get in the way of the narrative she is paid to further.

    McArglebargle can DIAF, as well as all her male compatriots.

  76. 76.

    Trollhattan

    May 23, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    @Bob In Portland:
    Hodor!

  77. 77.

    Bob In Portland

    May 23, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    @Trollhattan: You keep saying “Hodor!” Not me. You. Watch the video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osQmRUxhwVQ

  78. 78.

    Trollhattan

    May 23, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    @Bob In Portland:
    Hodor! Hodor!

  79. 79.

    burnspbesq

    May 23, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    @Bob In Portland:

    I suppose it’s never occurred to you that helicopters can be hijacked or commandeered by forces other than the owners, and that video can be faked.

    When you show up here with something worthy of being taken seriously, it will be. Unitl then …

  80. 80.

    burnspbesq

    May 23, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    @Paul in KY:

    And you just neatly illustrated Kleiman’s point.

    In one ear and out the other. I can hear the wind whistling all the way out in SoCal.

  81. 81.

    PaulW

    May 23, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    @Robert Sneddon:

    The Glasgow College of Art building is on fire according to the BBC. It’s not just the fact it’s a world-famous John Rennie Mackintosh building, it was the last day of prep for the final-year students and all their project work has gone up in flames along with the library, the interiors and everything else.

    O.o

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  82. 82.

    Bob In Portland

    May 23, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    @burnspbesq: There’s videos of Nazis burning people alive in Odessa. You apparently don’t think that’s evidence enough.

    The “official story” is that the guard post was attacked by rebels. You see any rebels in the video? Or maybe those babushkas hijacked the helicopters. The helicopters aren’t even in the “official story”. So the rebels have hijacked Ukrainian helicopters and the regime in Kiev fails to mention that in their reports of what happened? That’s pathetic, burns.

    Serious question: How long until you realized your government was lying to you in order to invade Iraq? A week? A month? A year?

    How long did you think that those death squads in Latin America were freedom fighters before you changed your mind? Until the mass graves were found?

  83. 83.

    LanceThruster

    May 23, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Waiting out the calm before the storm. Massive layoffs at my work these past two weeks. Supposed to be done until next January. We’ll see.

    Hope to be able to enjoy the meteor shower this weekend, though. My neck of the woods should be near perfect conditions.

  84. 84.

    Mnemosyne

    May 23, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    @Bob In Portland:

    There’s videos of Nazis burning people alive in Odessa.

    Really? Of Nazis? With brown uniforms and swastikas and everything?

    Or are you once again using “Nazi” as a synonym for “Ukrainians I don’t like”?

  85. 85.

    tybee

    May 23, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    I’ve been meaning to borrow my sister’s kayak and explore some mangrove tunnels, so maybe I’ll do that.

    once you yak, you’ll never go back.

  86. 86.

    Bob In Portland

    May 23, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Am I exaggerating by using the term “Nazi” to describe the people who burned people alive in the trade union building in Odessa? These are people who like Nazis, people who want to rid their country of ethnic Poles, Rumanians, Jews and Russians. People who march in parades saluting the “Hero Of Ukraine” Stepan Bandera who helped the Third Reich kill Poles, Jews and Russians. Millions. People who call themselves Nazis.

    Funny you won’t respect these Ukrainian Nazis by calling them what they call themselves, but I guess you need to do that to keep your government’s brand of “truth” alive.

    Were the death squads in Guatemala and El Salvador Nazis? Well, their leaders were members in good standing in the old World Anti-Communist League. They would get together with other fascists from around the world and talk about things that Nazis would chat about. They would rub elbows with actual Nazis who had survived the war thanks to those ratlines. So you might say that mass killings of indigenous people directed by leaders who hang out with Nazis weren’t actually Nazis. They were patriots who got carried away, or something. If you want to narrow the definition further you can say that the people in the US who call themselves Nazis aren’t really Nazis because they belong to, say, the Aryan Nation or the KKK or some other fraternal organization that is not, specifically, the Nazi Party. Or that the American Nazi Party isn’t the same as the German Nazi Party of WWII.

    But it seems to me that of all the wannabe Nazis around the world the Ukrainian Nazis are as close to the definition of Nazi as you can get these days without reincarnating Adolf.

    Not you, though. You merely collaborate by refusing to look at what’s around you. You are merely a conformist. Hide within your dictionary. Hide within your snide remarks. In a year or so you’ll see others around you admit to what’s happening in Ukraine and you’ll feel safe to come out and acknowledge reality. Maybe when a Republican is in the White House with guns a-blazing. That would make you merely an abetter of Nazis.

    That’s why I keep asking the people here at Balloon Juice how long it took each of you to figure out the okeydoke of Iraq. You folks here are pretty clever, so maybe a year or two. I doubt any of you were out in the streets protesting before the Shock and Awe. You had victory gardens to attend to. I bet a lot of you actually enjoyed the Shock and Awe. And you were all for invading Afghanistan to get Osama. How long did you stick with that program? Four years? Eight years?

    There’s a reason why none of you answer that question. Even if you now acknowledge that back then the government lied to you you “believe” or “hope” that the good guy now in the White House wouldn’t lie to us and he wouldn’t allow the State Department to lie to us. And we wouldn’t aid bad people. Right? Besides, Putin = Hitler, although Saddam used to equal Hitler, the Ayatollah used to equal Hitler, Assad equals Hitler, Khadafy equalled Hitler. It seems wherever our bombs fall there is a Hitler below. (Hitler must like swimming in oil.) Except when we support the guys who honor Hitler as their liberator.

    And doesn’t Hunter Biden look good in a suit!

    (I am willing to again explain to you how fascism works as a two-tiered system, but only if you pull out the “there are Jews in the coup government” card again. This is the 21st Century. Anyone can be a Nazi as long as they don’t admit it.)

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne

    May 23, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    @Bob In Portland:

    In other words, you’re using “Nazis” as a meaningless synonym for “Ukrainians I don’t like.”

    I doubt any of you were out in the streets protesting before the Shock and Awe.

    What is it like to always be wrong?

  88. 88.

    Bob In Portland

    May 23, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    http://rt.com/op-edge/ukrainian-nationalists-attacked-police-888/
    https://portside.org/2014-02-27/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine
    http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/04/ukraine-israeli-special-forces-unit-neo-nazi-command-involved-maidan-riots/
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/ukrainian-rabbi-plays-down-neo-nazi-threat-nationalists-n51186

    Look at the pictures I linked to. I guess that tattooing swastikas across one’s chest doesn’t qualify as Nazi enough for you. To me that’s pathetic, and that makes you a pitiful conformist.

    As far as being right, I was right about Vietnam. How about you? I was right about Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Iraq and Afghanistan. How about you? Ah, the question that conformists refuse to answer. Always one war late to the table.

  89. 89.

    Paul in KY

    May 27, 2014 at 8:21 am

    @burnspbesq: I didn’t. His point is not a point. It is an incorrect point, IMO.

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