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Brazil v Chile Round of 16 Open Thread

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I promised to include some recipes for popular dishes for each country in the round of 16 games. Here’s one of my favorite dishes in Brazil: Tutu a Mineira:

Making Tutu à Mineira

* 1 and 1/2 lb. black beans, already cooked
* 1 Linguiça Calabresa, brazilian smoked sausage
* lamb chops (optional)
* 4 hard boiled eggs
* bacon
* dried meat
* garlic
* olive oil
* manioc (cassava) flour

method of preparation

Procedure:

1) Let’s start by cooking your black beans the way you like, but with these differences in that this dish requires the beans to be seasoned with some salt, and the beans must cook with the smoked sausage. to serve 4 people 1/2k use black beans that has been properly cooked with a piece of smoked sausage, a small piece of bacon and other dried meat – at your discretion.

2) Now that the beans are baked and tender, we add plenty of garlic and a little olive oil; take the pot away from the stove and coarsely mash them into a thick broth with a bean masher or fork, leaving about one quarter of the beans unmashed. Return this broth to the pan, off the stove, and add gradually cassava flour until the desired thickness is reached, traditionally the Tutu is relatively thick; keep warm.

3) In a different pan, cook the rest of the bacon; slice the bacon to small bits and add to the black beans. Now fry the lamb chops, and slice the hard boiled eggs in slices;

Prepare each individual plates, with some Tutu bean sauce, sausages, lamb chops and arranging in an elegant way the slices of hard boiled eggs.

As for Chile, I had this dish at a now closed Chilean restaurant called Pomaire in New York: Pastel de Choclo:

Pastel de Choclo (Chilean Corn Pie)
Makes 12 servings

*Recipe Notes: Be sure to watch the pastel de choclo closely while broiling in the final step, as it goes from golden brown to burned quickly! This makes a fantastic freezer meal! Follow steps 1 through 4, then tightly cover the baking dish and freeze. When you are ready to cook the pastel de choclo, remove the dish from the freezer and let it thaw overnight in the refrigerator, then cook as directed in step 5.

For the beef and onion filling:
1 pound ground beef
2 large onions, chopped
2 teaspoons olive oil
2 garlic cloves, finely chopped
1 tablespoon beef bouillon powder
1/2 teaspoon garlic salt
1 1/2 teaspoons paprika
1/2 teaspoon ground cumin
1/2 teaspoon dried oregano

For the corn topping:
40 ounces corn kernels (thawed, if frozen)
1 (14.75 ounce) can creamed corn
3/4 teaspoon dried basil
3 tablespoons vegetable shortening
1 1/2 teaspoons beef bouillon powder
1/2 teaspoon fine grain sea salt

2 tablespoons raisins, soaked in warm water
2 large hardboiled eggs, cut into thin slices
3 ounces black olives, sliced

Granulated sugar, to lightly sprinkle over the top

1. Preheat the oven to 350 degrees Fahrenheit. Lightly grease a 13×9-inch baking dish.

2. Make the beef and onion filling: Saute the ground beef and chopped onions in the 2 teaspoons of olive oil over medium high heat in a large saute pan. When the beef has all browned, add the garlic, 1 tablespoon beef bouillon powder, garlic salt, paprika, ground cumin, and oregano. Continue to cook until the meat is cooked through, then taste for seasoning and add salt if necessary. Then reduce the heat to medium low and simmer until the onions are very soft, and no crunch remains, then remove the pan from the heat.

3. Make the corn topping: Put the corn kernels, creamed corn, and dried basil in a blender in batches and pulse until the corn is pureed, but not completely smooth. Pour the corn puree into a large pot and add the shortening, 1 1/2 teaspoons beef bouillon powder, and fine grain sea salt. Cook the corn mixture over medium-high heat until it comes to a boil. Once it comes to a boil, continue letting it cook for 5 more minutes, stirring constantly to prevent it from burning. After the five minutes, remove the pot from the heat.

4. Assemble the pastel de choclo: Cover the bottom of the greased baking dish with a thin layer of the corn topping. Spread all of the beef filling over the corn layer. Drain the raisins soaking in the warm water. Scatter the sliced hardboiled eggs, olives, and drained raisins over the meat filling. Finish by topping everything with the remaining corn topping. Use the tines of a fork to make grooves in the top of the corn topping, then sprinkle a light layer of granulated sugar over the top.

5. Bake the pastel de choclo: Bake the pastel de choclo in the preheated oven for 30 minutes to heat through (bubbles should be breaking the surface on the sides of the baking dish). Then change the oven to broil (high broil) and cook until the top of the pastel de choclo is golden brown. Remove the baking dish from the oven and let it sit for 10 minutes before serving.

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  1. 1.

    raven

    My friends from Colombia are coming over. I suspect they will be late for the first game!

  3. 3.

    SRW1

    Very Austria-Hungarian that national anthem of Chile.

    How confident are you that the Selecao will deliver today, Randinho?

    I gather that whistling during the acapella part of the Brazilian national anthem is from supporters of Chile.

  5. 5.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @SRW1: i honestly don’t know. I think Chile’s defense is lacking a bit of speed and may have problems with Neymar.

    I think Brazil matches up well against Chile physically.

  6. 6.

    Amir Khalid

    it’s the eve of Ramadhan. Quite a few of the teams in the last 16 have Muslim players: France, Germany, Nigeria, Belgium, and Algeria whose squad are all Muslims.

  9. 9.

    burnspbesq

    And among all the guys who play for the world’s biggest clubs, you have one guy each from Toronto FC and Nottingham Forest.

  12. 12.

    SRW1

    Uh, Uh, veeery physical beginning. And we kind of know that Howard Webb isn’t the most impressive in dealing with that.

  13. 13.

    raven

    Today, 4:00 PM on ABC • Round of 16
    Estádio Maracanã, Rio de Janeiro
    Uruguay

    vs

    Colombia

  15. 15.

    burnspbesq

    @raven:

    I’m sure they can find a sympathetic mullah who will issue a fatwa excusing the players from fasting between sunrise and sunset during Ramadan.

  16. 16.

    Amir Khalid

    Brazil’s Seleçao haven’t lost at home in 12 years. Nice record they have there. Shame if anything happened to it.

  19. 19.

    Amir Khalid

    @burnspbesq:
    That; and from what I’ve read, there should be no problem for a Muslim athlete performing in the daytime if he takes care to rehydrate adequately at night.

    ETA: If a Muslim is not able to fast because of say, illness or work-related reasons (this would certainly apply to the professional footballers playing in the World Cup), they can always make up the fasting days before next Ramadhan.

  20. 20.

    SRW1

    BTW, why did they stay with the 1 pm kick off? As there are now only two games per day to stagger for TV instead of three, they could have opted for an at least somehwat later time, No? European TV audiences?

  22. 22.

    burnspbesq

    Chile looks well organized so far. Jara is likely to be the focus of a lot of Brazilian attacks. You don’t see guys of the quality of Oscar or Dani Alves playing for Reading or Middlesborough.

  33. 33.

    HumboldtBlue

    I would say that will affect Chile’s attack and open them up to the counter but they never stop attacking so it’s par for the course

  42. 42.

    Ridnik Chrome

    the glorified bus stop that is Chicago Midway

    I know it was the previous thread, but as a native Chicagoan I find this description to be perfect. Well done, Mistermix.

  45. 45.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @mali muso: I love that stadium. It’s the home ground of Cruzeiro, the team I pull for in Brazil and the current league champion, also, only one of five teams in Brazil that have never been relegated (Flamengo, Internacional, Santos, And Sao Paulo are the others).

  48. 48.

    HumboldtBlue

    Brazil’s defense is going to be the difference, both in the midfield and the back line

  53. 53.

    SRW1

    @burnspbesq:

    Here’s how The Guardian described it:

    Brazil win a throw-in on the left, five yards from the touchline. Five seconds later the ball is in their net.

  54. 54.

    Amir Khalid

    Ha. Knockout stage matches can go to extra time, and penalties. Ths could be a long afternoon. Luckily, no one on either team is Muslim.

  55. 55.

    HumboldtBlue

    @Amir Khalid: Nope, but both teams are on a crusade to keep the cup on their continent.

    Ba-dum-tsshh. I’ll be here all day, try Randinho’s bean-lamb-and-bacon

  56. 56.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    Replay shows Chile got away with a hand ball in the box. Should have been a penalty.

  57. 57.

    SRW1

    This may be blasphemous to some, but Neymar’s hair-do makes me assume he thinks he may need a comb-up in his later years.

  58. 58.

    gene108

    @burnspbesq:

    If you think Midway’s a dump, you must never have flown into the old airport in Bangalore.

    That would go for most other old airports in most Indian cities. They were very small and not meant to handle a lot of traffic.

    Though I did like the really small one terminal airports, where you basically walked in the front door, took a look out the back door to see, if your plane was on the run way and if it was, you walked across the runway to the plane.

  60. 60.

    burnspbesq

    Ball security needs to be a higher priority for Brazil. That’s pretty much the definition of a narrow escape.

  62. 62.

    mali muso

    Seems to me that this could go either way. Brazil’s defense doesn’t look so hot.

  64. 64.

    burnspbesq

    @gene108:

    At the airport in Devonport, Tasmania, baggage claim works like this. A beat-up old John Deere tractor tows a flatbed trailer out to the Tarmac to pick up the bags. They open an aluminum roll-up door at the end of the terminal, put the tractor in reverse, and push the trailer into the terminal.

  65. 65.

    Amir Khalid

    @Baud:
    Highly unlikely. The situation would probably not arise in the first place, because it would be awkward to schedule a match that close to sunset. And if it did, the team would probably decide to skip the fast for the day (which is permitted in some circumstances, as I’ve noted above).

  68. 68.

    smintheus

    Neymar is looking like he’ll do almost anything to avoid shooting on his left foot. And it looks like the Chilean defenders have cottoned on to it.

  70. 70.

    ? Martin

    @Amir Khalid: I have a number of Muslim coworkers that came to the US as adults from Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. I don’t see that Islam is any less adaptive than other major religions in terms of adherence to rules. The most devout coworker I have is Jewish, not Muslim. Everyone else really focuses on the spirit rather than letter of rules when it bumps into work obligations, etc.

  76. 76.

    ? Martin

    Wow. But yeah, that’s technically a hand ball. Not much point to keeping your arms in receiving a high ball like that – your balance is better arms out, so arms in is the first clue that you’re planning on using them.

  77. 77.

    SRW1

    I kind of suspect Brazilians won’t be too fond of Howard Webb after not only disallowing that goal but then also following up with a yellow card.

  86. 86.

    burnspbesq

    Julio Cesar saves Brazil’s bacon. They got sliced open with frightening ease.

  87. 87.

    SRW1

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Yep, and I suspect the prime candidate among the Brazilians to not finish the game bacause of a card is Gustavo. He doesn’t foul egregiously, but has a tendency to persist even after a yellow.

  91. 91.

    burnspbesq

    Vidal: all eights and nines from the judges, and 3.6 degree of difficulty. A 100-point dive. Could have been a card.

  92. 92.

    HumboldtBlue

    Brazil’s defense in the midfield was swarming in the first half and has disappeared

  93. 93.

    Edmund Dantes

    There is another angle that shows it’s a lot more arm than the initial replays showed. It’s been shown once and never again so far. Right call.

  94. 94.

    HumboldtBlue

    Chile needs a goal to force the action, can’t risk extra time or penalties

  96. 96.

    SRW1

    The Brazilian press has retreated significantly. High tempo at the begin taking it’s toll?

  99. 99.

    Edmund Dantes

    @Randy Paul aka Randinho: doubt you’d ever see it, but Brazil has been teetering on the far edge of earning some dissent yellows. Might cause Webb to lean away from Brazil in some 50-50 calls since probably would be murdered for yellowing (or yellow-red) a Brazil player.

  102. 102.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @HumboldtBlue: from The guardian:

    “good decision. The ball hit Hulk in the upper arm as he controlled it, so the goal shouldn’t have stood, but I’m not sure it was flagrant or deliberate enough to deserve a booking. “

  104. 104.

    Edmund Dantes

    @Randy Paul aka Randinho: I don’t mean literally, but the way the bench and team reacted to Neymar throwing himself into the air and landing on his head due to his own fault proves my point.

    Don’t insult me, okay?

  105. 105.

    HumboldtBlue

    Even if they manage to win, Brazil is missing something, they don’t have that last piece in attack and it shows

  110. 110.

    ? Martin

    Someone needs to teach Chile how to clear the ball. Holy shit guys. It pretty much doesn’t matter what direction you kick it in that situation.

  112. 112.

    Edmund Dantes

    I doubt you would see it. Is a common expression that doesn’t have to refer to the person as being the one that would see it.

    I doubt you (meaning anyone that watches a world cup game) would see a ref ever book a player for dissent in the knockout stages. Especially one already on a yellow.

  113. 113.

    Amir Khalid

    This is going to extra time, and with any luck the first penalty shootout of this World Cup.

  115. 115.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @Edmund Dantes: For the record, a common argument here is that Brazil lost the 1998 World Cup due to some funny busines. My response: Brazil hobbled its way into the final with a crappy defense and a lot of luck. France gave up two goals the entire tournament and did without Zidane for three games. France was clearly the better team in 1998.

  117. 117.

    Edmund Dantes

    @Randy Paul aka Randinho: for the record, I’ve never meant or tried to call into question anyone’s integrity. I’m sorry my choice of expression led to a misunderstanding.

    Outside of this, Brazil has spent way too much time worrying about the refs calls than playing. If they focused on the playing, we’d see more of these amazing long balls actually payoff. More chance more likely to beat odds.

  119. 119.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @HumboldtBlue: Brazilians have almost no problem understanding Portuguese, but the reverse is not true. All the phonemes that exist in Spanish also exist in Portuguese, but Portuguese has phonemes that do not exist in Spanish.

  120. 120.

    Alex S.

    Brazil never looked completely convincing during the group stage, but then almost no team did, so it seemed ok in the end. But this game shows that Brazil is really not in the best shape. Chile managed to take Neymar out of the game without violence and then the brilliance is missing.

  122. 122.

    Edmund Dantes

    Not to mention if Brazil loses this game it blows up one side of my bracket. I’m pissed they aren’t doing better.

  123. 123.

    Violet

    Just got home and turned on the TV. We’re into an extra 30 minutes? It’s not whoever gets a goal first wins, right? They have to complete both 15 minute periods?

  127. 127.

    SRW1

    Brazilian has become more passive and alowed Chile control of midfield, yet still had some clear chances. Could still go either way and I suspect first goal will decide it, but Neymar looks awfully tired and without his contribution Brazil’s attack doesn’t look that sharp.

  131. 131.

    Alex S.

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I still think that Brazil is going to win, but it’s only based on a feeling. Their way in this tournament however should be over after their semi-final against the Netherlands, or even against Colombia in the quarter-finals.

  132. 132.

    Violet

    @HumboldtBlue: When I was in Rio a few years ago and trying to get on a waiting list for a restaurant, the guy making the list didn’t speak very good English. I don’t speak Portuguese so he asked me if we could communicate in Spanish. My Spanish isn’t great but it’s better than my Portuguese, so we managed to communicate that way. It was kind of fun for both of us I think. He was quite nice about it and I was doing my best to communicate in Portuguese before we switched to Spanish, which is usually appreciated (the trying to speak in the native language). Outside of Paris, of course. If your French isn’t perfect in Paris they don’t want to talk to you.

  133. 133.

    PurpleGirl

    Randinho — that dish sounds great. I might not make the whole complete thing, but the meat filling is definitely something I will try. I’m always looking for different ways to prepare and flavor chopped beef.

  135. 135.

    HumboldtBlue

    From the Guard

    Some stats:

    Shots – Brazil 15-6 Chile
    Corners – Brazil 6-5 Chile
    Saves – Brazil 1-4 Chile
    Fouls – Brazil 21-14 Chile
    Passes – Brazil 351-435 Chile
    Completion rate – Brazil 67%-72% Chile

  137. 137.

    ? Martin

    @HumboldtBlue: True. Seems absurdly arbitrary as well, though. I’ve always wanted to see instead of a 1×1 shootout, a 3×3. Take the ball in from midfield, play ends with a goal or you lose possession. Something like that.

  138. 138.

    HumboldtBlue

    @Violet: That’s fantastic, my favorite fictional character, Dr. Stephen Maturin, an Irish-Spaniard, is quoted as saying that “no man understands Portuguese unless he was taught at his mother’s breast and even then it’s not a sure thing”

  140. 140.

    PurpleGirl

    @Violet: As I remember a French teacher explaining it: “Don’t try telling a French person you don’t speak French in French, they won’t believe you. They will only make fun of you, better to just speak English, they will make fun of you anyway but less so.”

  148. 148.

    HumboldtBlue

    Darke just made a great point about Oscar who was great in the first two games but has been invisible today

  149. 149.

    scav

    @Violet: I’m wondering if that’s a temporal thing, the Paris I mean. I’ve usually managed more than fine there, and even my not-at-speaking-the-lingo parents managed, even remarkably in a cheese shop when there was a distinct focus and goal. But we tended to go in the dead of winter.

    ETA. change in game tone from the first round is amazing. This is business. fun too, but different. Will they all be like this now?

  150. 150.

    SRW1

    @Randy Paul aka Randinho:

    Actually, I would consider going for the ball less of an excuse than not having fully seen what was going to happen (I thought he was looking for the ball coming from his back). Going for the ball fully aware that your studs are gonna hit your opponent in the chest is not much of an excuse in my eyes.

  154. 154.

    Violet

    @? Martin: The suggestion in my house is that you play the extra time but at certain points–say, every two minutes–each side has one player leave the game. The strategy would definitely be interesting to watch.

  156. 156.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @SRW1: He deserved the yellow, no question, but de Jong planted his foot into Alonso long after the ball had left.

    So Chile get a free kick because their player ran into Dani Alves who had been standing still?

  159. 159.

    scav

    @HumboldtBlue: I get the knockout thing, but there was a joie de combat until now — almost talking more about the stands. even the guard blog has gone grim.

  163. 163.

    SRW1

    So, is Alexis Sanchez signalling that the days of baggy trunks are coming to an end and we are in for the sexy shorts of the 1970/80s making a comeback?

  176. 176.

    HumboldtBlue

    @? Martin: Mine is shockingly white and my niece can’t understand how I have an all-white huge beard-afro on my face and chin and dark brown hair on my head. Of course, when you are as stunningly handsome as me any look is a good look

  179. 179.

    raven

    @? Martin: Yea, shaved head and full beard. I’ve had the goat for years but I have this bump on my cheek so I let it grow. There was a time when I had the ZZ Top thang.

  189. 189.

    SRW1

    And Chile does an England in the penalty shoot-out.

    That Aranguiz dude is one cool fellow. Best penalty ever.

  196. 196.

    BGinCHI

    Brazil ripe for the pickings if Colombia go through without a bunch of yellow cards.

    The home side has a lot of work to do….

  198. 198.

    Hill Dweller

    Brutal way to lose. Chile hitting the crossbar and post in extra time and PK’s respectively was too cruel.

  201. 201.

    Violet

    I love Brazil so I’m happy for them. Feel bad for Chile but glad the hosts are through. I’d hate for them to go out so early.

  202. 202.

    mali muso

    sigh. Well, there you have it. Brazil still not as impressive as they’ve been advertised, imo. How many yellows did they pick up anyways?

  204. 204.

    scav

    @gene108: Indeed. Little tin replicas hung up on the walls of innumerable churches with flickering candles beneath. (Personally, I want them on a Bimbo card.)

  205. 205.

    Baud

    I think it’s odd to give the host a free pass into the elimination round. Is that a typical practice in other sports?

  207. 207.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @mali muso: 4 for Brazil, 3 for Chile.

    I’ll grant the referee’s position as being difficult, but I’ve seen several replays of the disallowed Hulk goal. It hit his chest, not his arm.

  211. 211.

    mali muso

    @Randy Paul aka Randinho: Hmm, this photo says otherwise. To be honest, I can’t tell.

    So on to Colombia and Uruguay. I have hated Uruguay with the passion of a thousand suns since their thuggish elimination of Ghana in the last cup (Suarez being the focus of my ire, so very delighted he’s been booted). I’m all for Colombia today.

  212. 212.

    Heliopause

    Here are some really good ideas for settling important sporting events:

    To settle a tie NFL playoff game each team attempts five 45 yard field goals. If still tied after five rounds then random position players have to attempt the kicks until the tie is broken.

    To settle a tied NBA playoff game five players from each team attempt a free throw. If still tied after five rounds keep going until one team ends up sending someone like Shaq up there.

    To settle a tied NHL playoff game have a shootout. That’s an easy one.

    To settle a tied baseball playoff game each team hits five ball off a tee. Most over the wall wins. If still tied after five rounds keep going through the roster and, yes, pitchers have to hit.

    If Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson are tied after 72 holes of the Masters they line up identical six foot putts. First one to miss loses.

    To settle a boxing draw each guy gets a free shot at the other until one can’t get up.

    All of this would be fair, sensible, compelling entertainment.

  213. 213.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @Baud: They would be more likely to whine about the game being paid for and grumble about being robbed as they did in 1998, notwithstanding the fact that they played really badly in 1998, creaked into the final and France had an incredible World Cup.

  217. 217.

    ? Martin

    @Heliopause:

    To settle a tied baseball playoff game each team hits five ball off a tee. Most over the wall wins. If still tied after five rounds keep going through the roster and, yes, pitchers have to hit.

    Home run derby. Each player in the lineup except pitcher and DH hit.

    If Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson are tied after 72 holes of the Masters they line up identical six foot putts. First one to miss loses.

    Golf should degrade to fencing for sudden death. Putters should have a touch sensor at the top of the grip.

  218. 218.

    Randy Paul aka Randinho

    @Heliopause: The culprit is television. In the 1938 WC, Brazil and Czechoslovakia tied in the quarter-finals and replayed the entire game two days later.

  220. 220.

    BGinCHI

    @Randy Paul aka Randinho: By “regroup” I assume you mean becoming a better team? I hope so for their sake. Chile was good today but Brazil looks very beatable. Still, surviving is the name of the game in this WC.

  221. 221.

    scav

    @Heliopause: In water polo, everyone has to dive simultaneously and hold their breath. last living person to surface wins (I am assuming they’d rescue the drowning). For some reason, Cricket insists on competitive sitting. Last one to make a run for the loos wins.

    eta and I might actually watch @? Martin‘s golf.

  224. 224.

    hilts

    @Heliopause:

    “To settle a tied baseball playoff game each team hits five ball off a tee.”

    The current format of playing extra innings is just fine. There’s nothing broken that cries out for your fix.

  225. 225.

    Heliopause

    @Randy Paul aka Randinho:

    My suggestions, which always go over so well, are as follows.

    Fifteen minutes overtime periods. First two are aggregate score, after that it’s sudden death.

    Teams are allowed two extra substitutes per 15 minute period. Players substituted for during the first 90 minutes may re-enter the game in overtime. Yes, purists, wail away; do you really enjoy watching exhausted, cramping players play not-to-lose football for an hour, hoping for a lucky break (which Chile almost got) or penalty kicks (which they did get)? Please. Today’s game was brutal to watch from halftime onward in terms of creative play.

    And yes, keep going until there’s a score. Other major sports manage to keep going for hours on end in search of a legitimate winner.

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