Watching Bill Maher tonight, and man is he all-in for Israel. That’s not the point of this post. The point of this post is that you absolutely have to watch the panel with some wingnut from the Daily Caller on the left, Nate Silver in the middle, and Jane Harman on his right, and Silver has not spoken for twenty minutes and looks like he is going through his own personal hell.
His facial expressions are alternating between confused as to why these people who know nothing keep talking, perplexed because they are just wrong, and appalled at how much really stupid people like to talk. It was a twenty minute display of silent disdain- as if he was wondering “How do these people hold down a job?” This is the greatest thing I have seen in years. You have to watch him.
He looks like he would rather be having a publicly televised enema. He looks like me in church.
John (MCCARTHY) Cole
@David Koch: Oh, Maher is an asshole.
Old Dan and Little Ann
Silver was the most awkward looking dude I’ve seen on tv. Bizarre. Too many bong hits in the green room.
Howard Beale IV
Maybe he likes it that way.
@David Koch: Jesus seriously?
So Maher is an Anti-Vaxxer? Really? I mean you mock Alex Jones and his insanity but your medical views align with that over-plasticised broad from Singled Out? <- I miss that show and gawd I'm old.
ETA– I know the Maher/AV thing has been around for some time but how the hell does he get a pass?
the israel thing was depressing all around. not even that you can’t stick up for israel. but the group think was a perfect example of everything that is wrong with that subject. it was truly pathetic. and nate silver sitting there like a lump. just a depressing moment.
Maher occasionally tries to be like his ex (Ann Coulter) and goes well too far. Basically, he’s an asshole, just like her.
ETA: Actually, I could have it wrong; Coulter was dating somebody surprising (Olbermann?) at one time. It may not have been Maher.
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
stopped watching/listening to Mahar 15 years ago, at least. pompous, ignorant prick.
Nate Silver, huh? The last I heard from him was the crawl on ESPN that said he gave Brazil 65% chance of winning the game with Germany. That worked out well for him.
I don’t think he was doing that. I think he was truly part of the stupid, depressing consensus in this country that Israel is beyond all criticism, always.
Just a note: Bill Maher is an epic douchebag.
@The Dangerman: Maher has dated Coulter, Olbermann may have as well. Maher and Olbermann(along with Bill Nye the Science Guy) were at Cornell at the same time.
Villago Delenda Est
Waaaay back in ’85, on my way from TDY in Honduras back to Fort Lewis, I visited my aunt and uncle in Florida. Spent several days with them one of which happened to be a Sunday. They both attended church regularly (good Presbyterians, ya know) and so to be polite, I went along. My aunt noted my relative, um, uneasiness while in the pews, and very politely, in return, because that’s the way she was all the time, noted it had probably been some time since I sat through a church service.
This is the same aunt who, upon visiting us in Oregon when I was about oh 12 or so, greeted us warmly upon arrival and declared “normally, one says ‘oh my how you’ve grown since I last saw you!’, but that’s just so obvious so I’m not going to say it!”. I had a lot of terrific aunts, but she was probably my favorite. It didn’t hurt that she made absolutely dynamite ginger snaps.
it was laura ingraham that had dated olbermann
maher dated someone named superhead
Villago Delenda Est
More prime time idiocy from Noisemax:
Dick Morris: Border Crisis Could ‘Wipe Out’ Democrats in Midterms
Never mind the Senate, the House is in the bag for the Dems.
and I like Bill Maher. he’s actually usually provocative, though sometimes ridiculously wrong headed. but the israel thing is just brain dead, and brain dead in the most thoughtless, consensus-driven way. again, depressing. damn, what a stupid show tonight.
Abby Martin from Russia Today America was busy retweeting Maher’s tweet about the crazy girlfriend analogy as an example of a liberal journalist in the tank for Israel and a misogynist, ergo this is why you can’t trust mainstream media liberal journos.
the past few years have really brought out the refined stupid in gene pool.
Also KITTEH! and BUNNEH! plus, um, lizard?
and I don’t agree with John. nate silver might actually have contributed, well, something, anything, but he chose not to.
Anybody “all in” for Israel is willfully ignorant of the facts. Let Maher go live in Gaza or the West Bank as a Palestinian for awhile. See how he likes it.
or at least, gee, imagine there might be more to it, than poor little israel, why are the big kids picking on it?
You can’t tear down my mood. My baby daughter R. shared this paper she just did for a summer course with us – she’s a rising sophomore at UC, an archaeology major with the drive and grades for a Ph.D.
It made me a little weepy, and more than a little proud.
She is speaking of our folk dancing at our Orthodox parish, which we did from her youngest days.
It goes on like this. She details her development at length, and in a moving way. Her parting shot?
Out-damned-standing. While I recognize that as some solid literary work, I never dreamed of being able to pull off any word play like that.
@Villago Delenda Est:
Don’t get complacent. Wing nuts aren’t going to stay home. In their minds, the future of civilization is at stake. We have to GOTV like motherfuckers.
Villago Delenda Est
One would think that Maher, with his “Religulous” flim, might be a bit more skeptical about a “Jewish State” that the fundies think fulfills the prophecies of Revelations. But then again, he chose to save Islam for the last, to leave that particular taste in the mouth of American audiences, jumping in on the entire “let’s bash the Muslims!” oeuvre.
Not to mention the ultra-Orthodox are ultra-weird.
Doesn’t Nate Silver always look vaguely uncomfortable on tv anyway? I can’t remember an interview where he was ever at ease so I don’t know why he’d do a show like Real Time where there’s always some blowhard you’ve got to talk over if you want to say anything. But John’s right – that whole Israel segment was depressing.
James E. Powell
I’m not a Maher fan. He’s a dick and he’s not very original if you know what I mean and I think that you do.
But let’s not forget that he once lost his job by saying something that could form the basis of a right-wing witch hunt. I’m sure he’s never recovered from it. I mean, apart from the loss of income, he was turned into a pariah in a matter of days.
Unlike Phil Donahue, he was able to get another show. Not on broadcast TV of course, but he’s back and he’s never going to do or say anything that will cost him his show.
Villago Delenda Est
@burnspbesq: If Bill Kristol echoes Morris’ prediction, will that convince you that the House is in the bag for the Dems? I mean, these two are the King-Midas-In-Reverse guys of the right wing pundits.
@Botsplainer: Wow, that’s some fine storytelling. If the archaeology stuff doesn’t pan out, writing could be in her future.
well, I am a Maher fan, and by and large, I think he does say what he thinks. but tonight, what he thinks and what he said was just pathetic. he tried to make up for it a little by hinting at what a godawful fucktard netanyahu and the current israeli government are, but it was way too little, way too late, although it would have made for a much more interesting discussion. and hey, maybe nate would have chimed in on that one.
Thank you all for watching this and describing it so I don’t have to. Bill Maher hasn’t been entertaining since Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.
Karen in GA
@Botsplainer: This is why I don’t have kids — I could never raise them to be like your daughter.
You have every right to be proud, that was lovely. Hope she gets an A :)
@Botsplainer: Your daughter is a lovely writer.
I know, she surprised me with that. She’d always been a little workmanlike in the past, a little wordy. I’d noticed a big change over the past several months.
I called her today when I read it; she told me she wrote it for us as a kind of a thank you for shaping her life and career.
@Villago Delenda Est:
Elections aren’t decided in July. You have to do the work. There are no shortcuts.
@Villago Delenda Est:
If McMegan chimes in with predictions of a Republican sweep, then it’s the Senate, House and Supreme Court going 100% Dem. Ooops, sorry, 1,000%
really, are we friggin done in 2014?
I like his work, a lot, but Silver on the teebee is way out of his element. Have never seen him at ease, regardless of who’s interviewing.
Maher is our generation’s Howard Cosell: often wrong but never in doubt, absolutely convinced (in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary) that he is the smartest guy in the room, and a walking definition of the word “bombastic.”
In other words, exactly like Corner Stone.
that may be true. that may just not be where he’s effective. that discussion could have used somebody, anybody, though. why didn’t the ghost of gore vidal show up?
Show me on the doll where I said that.
damn, the revolution eats its own around here.
Maher’s best work was probably Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.
Still, while he does manage to get under the skin of the right people at times, he is definitely a jerk more often than not.
@Botsplainer: You should be damned proud, she has a beautiful way of building a scene and painting the moment. Congratulations. To her. You, can just bask in the glow of the gene pool.
sorry, that was a really inept post. meant, yes, before we focus on 2016 and the “inevitable” Hillary thing, can we notice there’s a 2014 election?
now back to israel, and that stupid damn show tonight.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Botsplainer: What a terrific kid! Talented writer too.
ETA: Religilous notwithstanding, Bill Maher is an ignorant dickweed and also a misogynist.
If he wasn’t gonna talk, then why was nate even in a talk-show?
yes, that was one of the more depressing aspects of that whole thing.
In case you missed it, the Tenth Circuit upheld the district court decision striking down Oklahoma’s ban on same-sex marriage.
@amk: he was the eye candy, fur shore.
I love that that’s getting routine these days
@burnspbesq: Still no split in the circuits, is there?
Last time Bill Maher was entertaining, the IBM Peanut was still on sales shelves.
He comes here with a predictable, vapid show each New Year’s, complete with wildly overpriced tickets. Guess he had to get together the scratch to purchase partial ownership of the Mets somehow.
Don’t think so.
i wonder if we will ever come up with an intelligent way to speak, or even think, about israel. probably not.
Can’t we all just get along.
@Mike J: so far, it looks like only the Tenth Circuit has ruled ( and done it multiple times). Fourth, Seventh, and Ninth Circuits have cases pending. All three will likely take the multiple Tenth Circuit decisions as persuasive authority
wish I understood the twitter
seriously? this place is dead? where once TBogg posted like a mighty poster?
Maher is an asshole. He probably looks himself in the mirror and says “you’re handsome, you asshole you”
That being said, he’s occasionally funny. I couldn’t really get into Religulous though. Personally, I am an atheist because I just don’t give a shit about religion. It’s up there with golf and The Bachelorette for shit I’d just prefer didn’t intrude into my life. So watching an hour and a half investigating it was more than I could take.
It’s the small hours of Saturday morning over there.
I don’t think Maher is horrible. I disagree with him on this thing, but I don’t think that makes him horrible.
I think the Left really is too quick to throw out inquisitions. I’m seeing it all over this thread, and all over the net.
there is that
@Little Boots: I’m not throwing him out, I’m just saying he’s an asshole. I consider myself an asshole at times (only on days ending in y) so it’s not that big of a deal.
I went to school with a guy who looked and acted a lot like Nate Silver. He spent a lot of time in his locker. He also reminds me of the duck face kid from one episode of Full House.
I feel bad for Silver. I think I this had been an online discussion, he would have been throwing out facts and disputing some things that were being said. He just seems like te kind of guy who feels and acts awkwardly in a group setting.
And who was the bleached blonde biker mama sitting next to Silver? Maybe she scared him. Sadly, I’ve seen the giant tool from The Daily Caller before on other shows.
@Little Boots: anti vaxxing is horrible, and when delivered with the smug attitude of a Kevin Spacey character, well….
A song for you.
Maher’s whole talk about the superiority of Jews in the scientific community because they’ve win modern awards disregards a few chunks of history.
yeah, like so much else in that show, there could have been an interesting discussion about the politics of science, the problems science faces in the muslim world, but just a quick, hey, jews, science, amiright? was just dumb.
he is a crank on some health stuff. that is true. and really annoying at times.
the killing on a mass scale of a large number of kids has put overt and covert “Liberals For Bibi the BabyKiller” supporters in quite a pickle.
cf Maddow, Rachel.
I wish that stupid fucking ad would stop starting up every time
which ad are you referring to Litlte Boots?
which ad are you referring to Litlte Boots?
12:14 A.M. Israel’s foreign ministry issues a travel warning to Israelis to avoid travel to Turkey,
wait, it’s gone.
don’t look at me like I’m crazy!
10:32 P.M. In opening remarks, Undersecretary of the UN Jeff Feltman calls for an immediate end to Hamas rocket fire
9:22 P.M. Iron Dome intercepts two rockets in Rishon Letzion area. (Haaretz)
9:14 P.M. Sirens sound throughout Tel Aviv metropolitan area, central Israel, south Israel.
8:28 P.M. Prime Minister Bibi the BabyKiller Netanyahu spoke with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon ahead of the UNSC emergency meeting tonight, and protested the comparison Ban made between Israel and Hamas. He also asked Ban to publish photos of rockets found in an UNRWA school in Gaza to prove Hamas is hiding weapons in civilian areas. (Barak Ravid)
7:57 P.M. Haifa protest against Gaza operation ended with 30 arrests
He did a show here and was pretty good. As egotistical libertarians go (yeah, redundant) he’s done pretty well for himself.
But Maher just proves how hard it is to be Stewart, Colbert, or any long time media personality with staying power that can, for the most part, avoid the habit of tripping over one’s dick.
7:34 P.M. Following earlier report that three soldiers were wounded: They were wounded when they were driving in a David-class jeep on the eastern side of the border fence, that is, they were in Israeli territory. It is not clear if the jeep was damaged by an antitank missile or an explosive device. Two were lightly wounded and one was moderately wounded. The vehicle was damaged.
11:16 P.M. United States e11:16 P.M. United States envoy to the UN Samantha Power says her country supports Israel’s right to self-defense. (Barak Ravid)says her country supports Israel’s right to self-defense. (Barak Ravid)
feel confident your crazy unxcle and our envoy to the UN, Samantha Power , feelsa the same way, her country supports Israel’s right to self-defense. (Barak Ravid
At the risk of seeming to be overly simplistic …
(1) how many Israelis have been killed by Hamas weapons in the last 60 days? One, IIRC.
(2) how many Gazans have been killed by IDF weapons in that same period? Somewhere north of 200, IIRC.
Bibi considers that a more-or-less proportionate response.
Hasn’t that been the standard in any I/P conflict?
James E. Powell
Americans, taken as a whole rather than any individuals, have an odd way of looking at the deaths of brown people, especially those whose deaths are caused by the US or its corporate affiliate, Israel. More specifically, they don’t look at them at all. Remember during the invasion and occupation of Iraq it was considered to be act of treason to suggest that maybe we ought to keep track of the number of people Our Brave Troops were killing?
And with respect to these particular brown people, my take has always been that since September 5, 1972, the great mass of Americans are disinclined to regard the Palestinians as anything but criminals or criminals-to-be.
I don’t agree with this and I’m sure there are quite a few Americans who don’t agree with this, but we are a small portion of the electorate and, let’s be honest, we have other more pressing priorities in our lives.
My Truth Hurts
Maher’s problem is that he thinks he’s smarter than he actually is. I used to feel that way too but I got over it eventually because I don’t have vapid sycophants around me all the time leeching my fame and wealth and telling me how awesome I am and actually live a life that tosses me some regular humility. That kind of positive if dishonest re-enforcement and the weed has to affect your brain after awhile and you start believing your own bullshit. He simply believes his own bullshit. He’s witty sometimes and once in awhile he’s smart and makes a clever observation but basically he’s just riding on the fact that he was clever once 20 years ago and has stopped making any effort since. He should just stick to his stand up and his jokes. His philosophising and commentary rarely rises above the junior high level.
@Botsplainer: Outstanding. Want more!
[email protected]Botsplainer: Brava! She has a hell of a future. I hope some of that ends up published. It’s that good.
@My Truth Hurts:
He shot himself in the foot over this show, as he’s done with others.
And, yeah, he lost his last show based on BS reasons.
His jokes for me run about 50-50 flat/funny. What I value about his show is that it makes for a good, free podcast that in turn makes for very good driving material, especially if I am driving rideshare peeps in my car, Boston-Montreal. His podcast/show really makes everyone in the car relax.
But he also talks to people and asks them questions no one else in any media venue does. I value the conversations, brief and always needing a punchline though they are.
I wish Phil Donahue could get back on air. I like him so much more. But is there anyone else who is talking to arseholes in power like Maher?
Jack the Second
People love Bill Maher because he’s a “good” (ie, outspoken, unapologetic) atheist, but he’s a terrible, terrible skeptic. So if you’re a skeptic, or a atheist who comes at it from a skeptical rather than a “fuck religion” direction, he’s basically a Blue Dog. We may acknowledge that there are worse people who could be on television or that he’s useful at times, but man it’d be nice to give his time slot to Steve Novella.
Jack the Second
People love Bill Maher because he’s a “good” (ie, outspoken, unapologetic) atheist, but he’s a terrible, terrible skeptic. So if you’re a skeptic, or a atheist who comes at it from a skeptical rather than a “down with religion” direction, he’s basically a Blue Dog. We may acknowledge that there are worse people who could be on television or that he’s useful at times, but man it’d be nice to give his time slot to Steve Novella.
Maher’s Israel segment was simple minded because it was one-dimensional. It was just about Israel responding to be rocketed by Hamas. Limited to that metric, it is hard to argue with the use of force in response to rocket attacks. And then you had a terrible panel: a filibuster from the Daily Caller, a mute Nate Silver and Jane Harman.
Of course, re-frame the issue as wanna be Afrikanners do their best “must quell the unruly Bantu” imitation, and maybe you get a different discussion. Nothing like premising the discussion on what can you do about dirty arabs (or as Joe Pesci in character might say, sand n***ers).
The segment was just awful.
@Violet: And then after Brazil’s incompetence was thoroughly exposed by Germany, Silver went on to give them a 71% chance of beating Holland in the 3rd place match!
@Suffern ACE: Yes.
Also, Botsplainer, you should be DAMN proud! :)
Israel has been taking the Palestinian’s land, water, homes, olive groves, and lives ever since it began. The Palestinians have every right to fight back.
“He looks like me in church.” Oh John, for this statement alone, I am so grateful for you.
I will watch that video.
Be good to yourself.
I am so bloody sick of the claim that the slaughter of innocent people by bringing down the full force of modern weaponry from every possible direction to mangle their flesh in the most horrific and violent ways is not monstrous because [we have a good reason].