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Open Thread: Somewhere, DougJ Grinds His Teeth…

by Anne Laurie|  September 9, 20149:20 pm| 58 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Our Failed Media Experiment, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All

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Golden age of public broadcasting: "New CEO of NPR..made his name at VH1 and MTV, & then went on run the E! channel." http://t.co/mp8Kh3TFOz

— Billmon (@billmon1) September 9, 2014

"The audience is..not just affluent, it's smart & engaged. What more could a brand want than this type of audience?" http://t.co/mp8Kh3TFOz

— Billmon (@billmon1) September 9, 2014

… his totebagger enemies are just… taunting… him, now!

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  1. 1.

    Suffern ACE

    September 9, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    All things considered, now with Perez Hilton.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    September 9, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    Coming up on NPR: Beavis and Butthead and All Things Considered

    @Suffern ACE:

    Near jinx.

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    September 9, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    the jokes write themselves

    …………..

    Billmon @billmon1
    Follow

    Golden age of public broadcasting: “New CEO of NPR..made his name at VH1 and MTV, & then went on run the E! channel.” http://www.fair.org/blog/2014/09/08/new-npr-boss-were-going-to-be-talking-about-brands-that-matter-a-little-bit-more/ …
    10:49 AM – 9 Sep 2014

  4. 4.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 9, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Blech. Woohoo.

    So sad watching NPR slowly deteriorate over the decades. At least we still have…

    Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me
    On The Media
    This American Life
    Radiolab
    Science Friday
    Fresh Air
    I actually kinda like Marketplace
    The 60% of All Things Considered that doesn’t suck yet

  5. 5.

    Keith G

    September 9, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    Well, the money has to come from somewhere and if Democrats can’t keep power in Congress, there are few other options.

  6. 6.

    beltane

    September 9, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    MTV? Remember that old song “Video Killed the Radio Star”?

  7. 7.

    Mike J

    September 9, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    I complained on the earlier thread. Tonight’s schedule:
    7pm Fuhrman’s End Dieting Forever! (bang included)
    8:30 30 Days to a Younger Heart
    10 Frontline
    11 Ed Sullivan Rock n’ Roll 60’s
    1am 50 & 60’s Rock rewind

    All of those shows except frontline are infomercials. I have no use for public TV.

  8. 8.

    pacem appellant

    September 9, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Ye gods. And I just threatened to withhold my $11 from my local public broadcasting affiliate for airing “Here and Now”.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    September 9, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    The Real World with Cokie Roberts

  10. 10.

    Elizabelle

    September 9, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    @efgoldman:

    do tell. how did they spend the $$$?

  11. 11.

    divF

    September 9, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    This represents reality catching up with satire. Sometime in the 1980’s I remember listening to an Ian Shoales’ monologue on NPR in which he predicted the eventual degradation of public radio, for example, by the merging of “All Things Considered’ with “The National Enquirer” leading to a new show “All Things Enquired”.

    I gotta go.

  12. 12.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 9, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    @divF: Civilization-HOOOOOOOO!

    (Speaking of when indie radio existed)

  13. 13.

    Mike J

    September 9, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Indie radio still exists, but it’s never had anything to do with NPR.

  14. 14.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    September 9, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    @Mike J: Both can often be found on the Left of the Dial.

  15. 15.

    CaseyL

    September 9, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    The rise of advertising on NPR has been a slow but steady process. Once only the name was mentioned, along with other sponsor names. Then a little tag line about the business the sponsor did.

    Now you get a slogan, too.

    Slow but steady creep, and soon I guess there will be narrative and dialog. Tasteful, of course. Oh so very tasteful.

    I want to throw up.

  16. 16.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 9, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    @Mike J: I suppose I conflate NPR proper with every other public radio station. Which isn’t hard to do, now that NPR and APM have snatched most of them up and/or provide most of the programming.

  17. 17.

    Gene in Princeton

    September 9, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Who tunes in to NPR anymore? Listening to Robert Siegel is like having your mouth stuffed with dead moths.

  18. 18.

    Mike J

    September 9, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): Produced and additional vocals by Alex.

    My first indie station was WEVL in Memphis, which gave me a shift at 13 years old. I did bluegrass, big band, and blues shows at various times. It college it was KCOU, playing Left of the Dial et al.

  19. 19.

    Betsy

    September 9, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    @efgoldman: yeah seriously, how did they spend it?

  20. 20.

    divF

    September 9, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    @Gene in Princeton: The only time I listen to NPR anymore is when I’m driving around DC late at night and WAMU is running the BBC news.

    I agree with you about Robert Siegel – his voice makes my skin crawl.

  21. 21.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 9, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    @Gene in Princeton: The one I can’t stand is the Saturday morning guy…. Scott Simon?

  22. 22.

    Comrade Mary

    September 9, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    BRANDS. BRRRRRRAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNDS.

  23. 23.

    Gene in Princeton

    September 9, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    …and yet they’ve got a pretty good gig over at NPR:

    Steve Inskeep, co-host of NPR’s “Morning Edition.” 2009-2010: $361, 093, base salary of $319,370. 2010-2011: $373,097, base salary of $334,560.

    – Renee Montagne, co-host of NPR’s “Morning Edition.” 2009-2010: $357,037, base salary of $328,117. 2010-2011: $369,552, base salary of $321,919.

    – Michele Norris, former co-host of “All Things Considered.” 2009-2010: $298,360, base salary of $264,9009. No 2010-2011 numbers listed.

    – Robert Siegel, cohost of “All Things Considered.” 2009-2010: $362,687, with a base salary of $309,479. 2010-2011: $375,652, with a base salary of $321,860.

    – Terry Gross, host of WHYY’s “Fresh Air,” broadcast on hundreds of NPR affiliates. 2009-2010: $254,933, base salary of $233,483. 2010-2011: $256,611, base salary of $233,483.

  24. 24.

    beltane

    September 9, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    @Gene in Princeton: It’s interesting that the one whose best at her job, Terry Gross, is also the one who is paid the least although she is still paid very well. The rest of them are completely expendable and could be replaced without anyone really noticing.

  25. 25.

    max

    September 9, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    @Gene in Princeton: Who tunes in to NPR anymore? Listening to Robert Siegel is like having your mouth stuffed with dead moths.

    NPR: for people who don’t want to take lithium.

    max
    [‘I guess they need a heartbeat of some kind though.’]

  26. 26.

    NotMax

    September 9, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    Kismet for this BJ thread, a cat story from public radio.

    There’s the common house cat, the scrappy alley cat, the quasi-domesticated barn cat. Less famous, but equally distinguished on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean, is the distillery cat. Source

  27. 27.

    jmac

    September 9, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    @beltane: that was actually the very first video ever played on MTV.

  28. 28.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 9, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    @beltane: ever see the short film with her and Mike Birbiglia?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTVFNZKuN-g

    Fresh Air 2: 2 Fresh 2 Furious

  29. 29.

    MomSense

    September 9, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    @NotMax:

    I saw that story. Wow, Towser the Mouser killed almost 30,000 mice!

    The Misty Copeland story that ran today is also very good.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/09/09/345297939/misty-copeland-on-broadening-beauty-and-being-black-in-ballet

  30. 30.

    Mnemosyne

    September 9, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    @MomSense:

    I’ll have to get that book for my niece for Christmas (though it’s a little young for her now that she’s turned 8). She’s been dancing for several years now and still loves it.

  31. 31.

    Mike J

    September 9, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    Teachout winning in Chenango, Columbia, Cortland, Deleware, Dutchess, Essex, Greene, Madison, Montgomery, Ontario, Orange, Otsego, Putnam, Rensselaer, Saratoga, Schenectady, Seneca, St.Lawrence, Sullivan, Tioga, Tompkins, Ulster, Warren Washington, Wayne, Westchester, and Yates counties.

    Still only has half as many total voes as doofus.

  32. 32.

    Mike J

    September 9, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    @Gene in Princeton: Is your argument that people who work in public radio don’t deserve to make a decent living? Those are pretty damned small salaries for nationally syndicated shows.

  33. 33.

    ruemara

    September 9, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    ugh. how everlovin’ awful.

  34. 34.

    pseudonymous in nc

    September 9, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    It’s 2014. We’re all engaging with brands. Or at least, that’s what’s expected of us in exchange for our media.

  35. 35.

    srv

    September 9, 2014 at 11:23 pm

    Truth to power in its last gasp:

    Michael Moore sees President Obama’s legacy as set. The progressive documentary filmmaker couldn’t help but express his disappointment with the legislative accomplishments of the politician.

    “When the history is written of this era, this is how you’ll be remembered: he was the first black president,” Moore said during a discussion at The Hollywood Reporter’s video lounge at the Toronto Film Festival.

    “OK, not a bad accomplishment, but that’s it,” the director said. “That’s it, Mr. Obama. 100 years from now, ‘he was the first black American that got elected president’ and that’s it. Eight years of your life and that’s what people are going to remember. Boy, I got a feeling, knowing you, that — you’d probably wish you were remembered for a few other things, a few other things you could’ve done.”

    “So, it is, on that level, a big disappointment,” Moore said.

    Diane Rehm, here we come!

  36. 36.

    p.a.

    September 9, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    The winner of the RI Democratic gubernatorial primary:

    Gina M. Raimondo, General Treasurer, State of Rhode Island

    On January 5, 2012 the Manhattan Institute’s Center for State and Local Leadership selected Gina Raimondo, Rhode Island General Treasurer who crafted the Rhode Island Retirement Security Act, as its 2011 Urban Innovator Award winner. Raimondo’s work to define long-term retirement security through extensive public pension reforms has stabilized a crisis situation that an October story in The New York Times described as a “nightmare scenario.”

  37. 37.

    srv

    September 9, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    @Mike J: Frontline roasted Obama on Iraq last month. Of course, repressed truths here at BJ.

  38. 38.

    jibeaux

    September 9, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    @srv: is it back to “ACA” now that it’s working halfway decently? I just can’t keep up.
    #coughbinladencough

  39. 39.

    NotMax

    September 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    What with current events, gotta feel a bit bad, public relations-wise, for this company.

  40. 40.

    srv

    September 9, 2014 at 11:39 pm

    @jibeaux: They wouldn’t need healthcare if they hadn’t been run over by so many buses.

  41. 41.

    jl

    September 9, 2014 at 11:46 pm

    Could rename All Things Considered to All Things Corporate, at least for the economic reporting.

    I’ve listened to it when could not escape (mainly visiting parents) and have tolerated the hideous economic reporting by pretending it is some sick satire.

    People like Stiglitz and Krugman and Shiller (and James Galbraith) get airtime on NPR but I have never heard them on All Things Considered for analysis. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

    And, not sure if its just me, but NPR overall seems to me to have a weird deadened over produced audio quality that I hate. Is that just my imagination? Or are my ears put on wrong?

  42. 42.

    cckids

    September 9, 2014 at 11:46 pm

    @Mike J: Is that a local decision? PBS isn’t like that here. WE’re just now watching This American Life; the Mount Rushmore episode.

    Christ, Borglum was an ass.

  43. 43.

    A Humble Lurker

    September 9, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    @srv:
    Earlier post on this very blog.
    You’d think the guy who made Sicko would’ve mentioned ACA at least. Guess it really didn’t need that much improving, then?

  44. 44.

    trollhattan

    September 10, 2014 at 12:00 am

    What have they done with that man’s lips?

  45. 45.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 10, 2014 at 12:09 am

    @srv:@A Humble Lurker: and the guy who made Roger and Me and lives in Michigan can’t think of anything else Obama has done?

    Moore, who worked so hard to save the country from Al Gore, is so invested being too noble for this unworthy world he can’t the world in front of his face.

  46. 46.

    jl

    September 10, 2014 at 12:15 am

    @srv: Sounds like Moore has become a bitter purity troll.

    Little evidence on how Obama will look historically years from now. Wikipedia has a compendium of rankings. Seems like Big Dawg Bill is a little below the Grover Cleveland Line, and Obama is a little above, probably due to PPACA and progress on (certain) areas of civil rights. That is in mid-teens. I don’t think that is bad at all for Obama or Big Dawg. Cleveland had a worse sexytime scandal than Big Dawg, and Obama’s lack of one (except for little reported scandal and injustice that I truly believe in my heart that I deserve Michelle, not Barack) maybe helps.

    Most of the rankings seem pretty consistent across studies, except for a few controversial cases, like James Madison and the historical (as opposed to Zombie Godhead) Reagan, whose rankings are all over the map.

    Dub was doing pretty damn good in studies done before 2002, then he hit rock bottom. Wunner what happened to the lil’ feller?

    Anyway, too bad Moore is bitter Obama did not establish the US as a new Sweden or Norway. Obama LIED to us that he would, and never even tried, everyone with an ounce of sense know that, right?

    Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

  47. 47.

    Yatsuno

    September 10, 2014 at 12:18 am

    @A Humble Lurker: Nah. Moore was a single payer or nothing true believer. Never mind the fact he ignored how it developed in EVERY OTHER SINGLE COUNTRY in the world.

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    September 10, 2014 at 12:21 am

    Blogwhoring alert: I’ve posted my DVR suggestions for this Friday’s Pre-Code movies. Once again, it’s an embarrassment of riches, with Lubitsch directing Miriam Hopkins (twice!) and Kay Francis, plus tons of Jean Harlow.

  49. 49.

    srv

    September 10, 2014 at 12:34 am

    @jl:

    Sounds like Moore has become a bitter purity troll.

    Purity is always bittersweet.

    I think we need a Snowden thread.

  50. 50.

    NotMax

    September 10, 2014 at 1:28 am

    @

    Purely subjective, but would quibble with placing the Fredric March Jekyll & Hyde in the first tier and Gable and Harlow’s Red Dust in the second.

    And no mention at all of Wm. Powell and Ann Harding in Double Harness? Both of them are boffo in the only film they starred in together.

    Not pre-code (duh!) but Fail-Safe is airing at 3:15 p.m. (Eastern) on Saturday. Riveting flick; Lumet (director) and Fonda (actor) firing on all cylinders all the way through.

  51. 51.

    NotMax

    September 10, 2014 at 1:28 am

    @Mnemosyne

    Purely subjective, but would quibble with placing the Fredric March Jekyll & Hyde in the first tier and Gable and Harlow’s Red Dust in the second.

    And no mention at all of Wm. Powell and Ann Harding in Double Harness? Both of them are boffo in the only film they starred in together.

    Not pre-code (duh!) but Fail-Safe is airing at 3:15 p.m. (Eastern) on Saturday. Riveting flick; Lumet (director) and Fonda (actor) firing on all cylinders all the way through.

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne

    September 10, 2014 at 1:44 am

    @NotMax:

    It’s less “First Tier” and “Second Tier” and more “Movies I’ve Actually Seen” vs. “Movies That I’ve Heard Are Good.” I’ve seen Dr. Jekyll but haven’t seen Red Dust. I haven’t heard of or seen Double Harness, but it’s on my DVR list, so I’m planning to take a look.

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    September 10, 2014 at 1:58 am

    @Mnemosyne

    Ever see Mogambo? Remake of Red Dust, once again with Gable.

  54. 54.

    Origuy

    September 10, 2014 at 2:14 am

    The only NPR program I listen to is The Thistle & Shamrock.

  55. 55.

    Keith G

    September 10, 2014 at 5:45 am

    Sounds like Moore has become a bitter purity troll.

    Not unlike the comments about NPR on this thread.

    Yes NPR has been diminished and has changed, but it still is the best place in the USA that broadcasts news nationwide every day.

    I view it a bit like I view Obama – Started as a great concept with notable successes; experiencing diminishing returns do to inadequate support; not everything they try works out, but their heart is in the right place.

  56. 56.

    barbequebob

    September 10, 2014 at 5:59 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Marketplace, yes!

    Seems to be the one show on NPR that is trying to shed some light on the ecomony and finance and how it affects non-rich people

  57. 57.

    debbie

    September 10, 2014 at 7:09 am

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    They’ve already branded this winter. It’s supposed to be colder than last year, so it’s been named “RefrigerNation.”

  58. 58.

    DougJ

    September 10, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Yeah, I saw that. How long til their releasing nude selfies of celebs on the Snooze Hour?

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