Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Joe Lieberman disappointingly reemerged to remind us that he’s still alive.

The GOP couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Chutkan laughs. Lauro sits back down.

White supremacy is terrorism.

“Why isn’t this Snickers bar only a nickle?”

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.

Roe isn’t about choice, it’s about freedom.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

The words do not have to be perfect.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

Fani Willis claps back at Trump chihuahua, Jim Jordan.

The willow is too close to the house.

People are complicated. Love is not.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.

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  2. 2.

    rikyrah

    When white friends don’t believe what blacks go through, they’re not friends
    I am not delusional, so please don’t be incredulous

    By Mary C. Curtis September 9

    I still remember it perfectly, more than 10 years later. It’s terrifying to be stopped in your car and approached by first one and then two more white police officers with their hands resting on their holstered guns. I kept my hands in plain sight on the wheel while they inspected my license and registration. On second thought, I recall thinking during the 15-minute stop, perhaps the scruffy sweats and baseball cap that were perfect for my spin class weren’t the best choices when you’re African American and you’ve just bought a red car. (Why didn’t I pick the gray Camry?) I was given a written warning about running a stop sign that I’d actually stopped at, but I knew better than to argue.

    “Forty-five percent of blacks say they have experienced racial discrimination by the police at some point in their lives; virtually no whites say they have,” according to a recent New York Times/CBS News nationwide poll. (I’m shocked the 45 percent figure isn’t higher, considering the stories African Americans tell each other all the time.) So when I share the trauma of that particular incident and so many like it – fraught interactions that may have involved a son (stopped driving a nice car in our nice neighborhood), nephew or friend – I expect, first of all, that I will be believed.

    Yet whites are, frequently, disappointingly, incredulous. Very often a “friend’s” reaction that goes something like this: “I don’t think a police officer would stop anyone for no reason at all.” Or: “You must have done something suspicious.” Or my favorite: “If you haven’t done anything wrong, you don’t have anything to worry about.” I am not some child coming home with some tall tale, and I am certainly not a delusional liar.

    I don’t expect much. Just nodding and acknowledging my words would be enough. Instead, jumping in to explain what must have really happened before I can finish a sentence means that – whether you realize it or not – you’ve shattered an important bond and traveled the distance from friend to acquaintance. I smile, make a mental note, and change the subject, realizing that with this person, topics from now on will be limited to rating entrées at the latest neighborhood bistro or judging whether the new Scorsese film shows the master back in top form.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/09/when-white-friends-dont-believe-what-blacks-go-through-theyre-not-friends/

  5. 5.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    Those are not gargoyles. Gargoyles act as water spouts. Grotesques are the ones that don’t connect to the rain gutters.

    /pedant.

    @Mnemosyne: Good thoughts headed her way.

  7. 7.

    FlyingToaster

    Yoghurt cheese is easy. Take several layers of cheesecloth; put your yoghurt into it, tie the cheesecloth around the faucet in your sink. Let drip until it’s the consistency you like. Empty into a container and refrigerate.

    Ricotta or Farmer’s cheese is simple too. Take milk, add an acid (lemon juice, vinegar, etc.), stir, wait for the curds to separate, drain and refrigerate.

    Everything else seems to require equipment (molds, presses, climate-controlled storage), so the above plus weekly yoghurt making is all we’re up for.

  11. 11.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    @Mnemosyne:
    I missed that, hope its nothing serious & all is smooth sailing.

    Anyone else watching the Roosevelt special on PBS?

  12. 12.

    Roger Moore

    I have made a couple of different kinds of cheese. I made mozzarella- mostly using the quick recipe that uses citric acid rather than the proper one with bacterial fermentation- but eventually gave up because it didn’t seem worth the effort. I made paneer once, but I didn’t get good results. I still make cream cheese whenever I’m going to make bagels, and it’s definitely worth the effort.

    The one lesson I learned is that if you’re going to make a rennet set cheese, you need to look around to find milk that hasn’t been overly pasteurized. Milk that has been heated too hot, either ultrapasteurized or HTST, doesn’t form a smooth curd. Unfortunately, that covers a lot of store milk these days. The only one I found that worked reliably was cream-top milk.

  15. 15.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    I have.

    Not intentionally, mind you.

    I’ve probably created entirely new forms of life, from the look of some of the things I’ve seen in my refrigerator just before I finally cleaned them out.

    “Have you ever created your own gargoyles?” might be a better question for me in fact (quite possibly).

  16. 16.

    lamh36

    The most awesome music news I’ve heard all week.

    Stevie Wonder to take Songs In The Key Of Life on tour http://www.avclub.com/r/209111tsd via @TheAVClub

    He’s not coming to NOLA directly, but I’m def going do my best to try and see if I can get tickets to one of the other cities on the list

  17. 17.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    Never tried yogurt yogurt cheese but have made paneer a few times. Years ago an Indian woman showed me how to do it with lime juice and I enjoy that as it has a bit more tang to it. Its such a simple thing but feels so good to do.

  18. 18.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    @lamh36:
    Why else would a black woman kiss a white man? Had to be hooking!

    I just came across the news story on the Adrian Peterson deal (I have studiously avoided the information just because life is depressing enough). I did not realize the kid was 4 or the extent of the damage done. Holy Cow.

  19. 19.

    PurpleGirl

    I have a pencil holder that is gargoyle and one which is just a statue which leans over the edge of a book shelf. At one time I had both of them in my office. But one of the field staffers objected to them as horrible things so I brought them home. I’ve enjoyed having them to look at. I also have a little tiny book of gargoyle pictures on a book shelf.

  22. 22.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    “Have you ever created your own gargoyles?” might be a better question for me in fact (quite possibly).

    No, I don’t have any children.

  23. 23.

    Mnemosyne

    @satby:
    @Violet:

    My procedure is on Tuesday morning, so I’ll probably be around all day tomorrow, cranky as hell since I can only have clear liquids all day, right up to the point when I have to start taking prescription laxatives. Fun fun fun!

  26. 26.

    Joel

    Mozzarella and ricotta are relatively easy, requiring no pressing. I made an Edam once, pressing and even waxing it for an aging in the fridge. It was good but a ton of work. Tastes just like baby bel so it was not worth it.

  28. 28.

    PsiFighter37

    Heading out for the honeymoon tomorrow morning – looking forward to passing out on the plane. The wedding was…incredible. I don’t think there’s really any other way I can describe it, and I can say without reservation that it was the best day of my life, bar none.

    If it wasn’t so expensive, I would definitely do it all over again.

  29. 29.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    @Mnemosyne:
    The procedures a breeze, nothing to it. The prep though – UGH! less than no fun.

  30. 30.

    lamh36

    @Bill E Pilgrim: I consider Stevie Wonder one of the best songwriters ever. Songs In The Key Of Life is one reason of many! I mean it’s a whole cohesive album, and not just a collection of hit songs compiled on one album.

    “Love’s in Need of Love Today”
    “Sir Duke”
    “I Wish”
    “Knocks Me Off My Feet”
    “Pastime Paradise”
    “Isn’t She Lovely”
    “As”

    I’d be happy with him singing this song list alone. Don’t even get me started if he also adds his others song to the set.

  32. 32.

    Mnemosyne

    @rikyrah:

    I really don’t get the white people who think that shit isn’t happening. How fucking sheltered are they? I was very sheltered growing up on the North Shore, but once I moved out to Los Angeles, I heard about it all the damn time, and there was no way that there were that many people making shit up.

    My best friend had it happen to one of her tutoring students — the poor kid showed up exhausted because the police had raided their apartment when they were really after the next-door neighbors and the family was up until 2 a.m. cleaning up the mess. And that was in 1988, for fuck’s sake.

  33. 33.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): Hah. I was thinking more of the outdoor variety of science experiments (science experiments being what I call spoiled food in the refrigerator) created by leaving food on the ledge now and then to take advantage of the natural refrigeration of a city in the dead of winter, when the tiny inside fridge was full. If some of those turned into water spouts with faces it wouldn’t surprise me in the least. If some of them turned into something that flew away on its own power it wouldn’t surprise me in fact.

  35. 35.

    Suzanne

    @PsiFighter37: Congratulations! Glad it went to well and was so memorable! Pics or it didn’t happen.

    @Mnemosyne: YES. Good luck to her, and to you, too. I heard Dave Barry once say that the colonoscopy prep stuff “should never fall into the hands of America’s enemies”, so I hope it’s not TOO bad.

  36. 36.

    Violet

    @Mnemosyne: I hope it’s not as bad as you fear. Hopefully tomorrow will be entertaining here so you can be distracted somewhat. Wishing you best of luck.

  38. 38.

    Hal

    @rikyrah:

    I was given a written warning about running a stop sign that I’d actually stopped at, but I knew better than to argue.

    A few years ago I was pulled over the one time I ever drove through Alabama (of course). The officer asked, and I acquiesced to a search of my car after he asked me if I was carrying any drugs or guns. Then he asked me if I had a cell phone, asked to see it, then proceeded to pretend to call the number of a friend of mine from San Francisco, where I had moved from to Georgia for a job. I guess to prove I did know this person.

    When all was said and done, he gave me a little written warning for driving onto the shoulder of the highway when I was coming around a bend, even though there was maybe a foot of shoulder and then a ditch.

    My favorite part of the encounter was when he handed me the warning he said: “Don’t be offended. We do this to everyone.” Um, ok officer. Glad people like you are on the job.

    I believe one of the big things that separate white opinion from black in matters like Ferguson is that many, many white people will never have that type of experience. If the cop was pulling me over, I must have done something to raise suspicions. What’s frightening and disheartening to me is that white opinion matters more in these issues than the opinions and experiences of the people who are most likely to find themselves targets of this type of discrimination, which makes the likelihood of things improving much dimmer.

  39. 39.

    JPL

    @lamh36: Please don’t take this wrong, but I don’t blame him for appealing because Goodell changed the penalty. Although, Rice was wrong and should have been charged with assault, it’s the NFL that had lax rules.

    @rikyrah: My friends son picked up his tennis racket after having it restrung and was stopped at the door of the sports store. That would not have happened to my son.

  40. 40.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    @PurpleGirl:
    The first segment has almost nothing, mostly on TR with a bit on FDR.

    My maternal Grandmothers sister was a maid for Eleanor’s family and I wish I knew more tales from that as this makes Eleanor’s father (TRs brother)something of a problem. I have a piece of silver from them that was passed down to me. It had been given in lieu of pay when the Roosevelts were strapped for cash.

  41. 41.

    JoyfulA

    @rikyrah: I’ve been believing it since about 1970, when a young black male coworker was 2 hours late for work. He’d been running a little late that morning and was running to catch the subway. The cops stopped this running young black male as suspicious, and he was not let go until the police called his boss to verify that he had a job and his stated start time.

    All of us pale people were stunned.

  43. 43.

    Suzanne

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t get it, either. Like, Sheriff Arpaio and his goons treat Latinos like shit out here, and it’s plain as fucking day. So I know without a shadow of a doubt that other minorities get treated just as badly, if not worse. Like, DUH.

  46. 46.

    PurpleGirl

    @rikyrah: As a child I was bullied and made fun of by kids and adults because of a stutter. I grew up a reader. As I became aware of (racial) differences in people I tended to compare discrimination to how I was treated. My thought was “how horrible to be treated badly because of a different skin color which you can’t change.” I considered my stutter to be something I had no control over and couldn’t change. I hope that I’ve treated all people well over the years.

  48. 48.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    @Mnemosyne:
    “Well it never happened to me therefore it must not happen & those people have done something to deserve the attention.”
    If you don’t see it, if it doesn’t affect you then it is easy to ignore.

  50. 50.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    @Mike in NC:
    He died young, about 60 IIRC. There was talk of him running for President in 1920 but he died in ’19.

    Guy’s history should have eliminated him from the office, he was nuts. But man he did a lot of great stuff & we were lucky to have had him.

  52. 52.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): I was, for ages. Not at the moment. But what I was describing above was definitely thinking of there. Yeah, I’ve had all varieties of them in Paris, but definitely some small ones, especially in my early days there. The apartment was tiny also, of course.

    Actually the other thing is that the tradition there was to have this little freezer-type compartment, but it wasn’t really meant to freeze anything. My friend explained to me finally, she grew up with those and knew all her life that ice cream wouldn’t stay frozen in them very well, for instance. Just sort of colder than the fridge compartment, but not really freezers. Those you’d get separately, if you were lucky. Plus the door would be broken and so on. Thus, the ledge.

  54. 54.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Gargoyle/grostesque-wise: in my parents’ art collection, they have a nice little photo done by a photographer friend. A signed black and white shot through a horizontal slit of a couple of Notre Dame’s more famous creatures. The pic is tiny – 3/4″ tall and 3″ wide. Lovely little thing.

  55. 55.

    JPL

    @rikyrah: Mittie was married in Bulloch Hall in Roswell, GA, where I live.
    Jimmy Carter used to stay at his aunts house nearby. No one should be surprised that the place the Carter’s visited was a cottage. I’m not sure where the secret service stayed.

  56. 56.

    Roger Moore

    @lamh36:
    If you follow the link, it sounds as if some racist busybody concerned citizen called the cops because they didn’t like what they saw. The police presumably should have been more skeptical of what they were told, but the primary blame has to fall on the asshole who called the cops because they didn’t like watching a mixed race couple kissing.

  58. 58.

    drkrick

    @rikyrah: I guess I have the “cultural advantage” of a father that left me highly skeptical of authority in general. I have always found those kinds of stories about police completely credible. Hearing stories about the informal means used to keep my northeastern home town lily-white well into the ’80’s was a good education in such things, too.

  59. 59.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    Actually the other thing is that the tradition there was to have this little freezer-type compartment

    Mine would do a tiny tray of ice cubes. Cubes about the size of a fingernail. Rather useless actually.

    ETA: A cleaning lady came with the rent so it is one of my favorite apartments of all time.

  60. 60.

    normal liberal

    @PsiFighter37:
    The food and wine sound tremendous, based on the forum posting. Best wishes for a long life together full of happiness and the good food you obviously appreciate.

  63. 63.

    scav

    @Bill E Pilgrim: & @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): Did either of you have one of those counter cupboards that were essentially to keep the flies off things? (airier than just using the regular cupboard). My host mother did, plus the windowsill for a certain few (new place has a whole shady corner of a shady balcony. luxury. all the UHT milk). Works rather well for certain items I found (their style butter didn’t really to be in the fridge), plus the whole shopping regime was different. Love the size my mom has now in her place. smaller than US, bigger than our dorm size. Ice cream however? Yup, usually elsewhere, and I’m not sure I ever saw an ice cube — with caveat that I never went looking for one.

  64. 64.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @scav: Cupboards with a pierced and patterned metal panel? I didn’t have any, but I have seen them.

  68. 68.

    Ruckus

    @rikyrah:
    I’ve seen this many, many times, the first was over 50 yrs ago, my dad’s shop was on the outskirts of south central in LA. The only way a person working anywhere around there and not seeing it would be if they had their head up their ass or they were a racist and thought that the person had it coming.
    I can not imagine what I’d do if I were black in America but I can sure imagine I’d be pissed and stressed every day, wondering if this might just be the day I run into a racist asshole cop and get myself beaten or killed for being black in public.

  69. 69.

    Groucho48

    Back about 15 years ago, we used to have our evening shift Christmas party at a place out in the sticks. It was quite a nice place for a Christmas party. We held it there for three years but finally had to move to another location. Why? Because to get there you had to drive through the suburb of Cheektowaga. Us white folks never had any problems but for each of the three years one or two of the cars with black folks in it would get pulled over by the police and hassled in a minor kind of way. I think only one or two folks got tickets but the police just took their sweet time doing whatever they were doing.

    Cheektowaga, some folks may remember, was the town where the young black woman was killed trying to cross a very busy street to get to work at the Mall there because buses from black areas didn’t go to the Mall, though buses from white areas did.

  70. 70.

    scav

    @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): Yeah, rather like the traditional pie safes over here, although I’ve seen some with screening. And I’m remembering still another for the bread, although that was purchased at least daily.

    I’m soooo in trouble, I just discover they’re rerunning Sherlock S 3 after the awards. So much for sleep — and I thought I was in trouble with just a Bleak House to jump into, but with this and Capaldi Who? Forget it.

  71. 71.

    Tenar Darell

    @Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]: Yep. Was driving home from Target at about 9 chatting with my Dad and he highly recommended it. He’s usually right about these things.

    Question and comment:
    1) Why is George Will in every one of these documentaries? I don’t get it.

    2) I can’t watch this mostly Teddy episode without thinking about a personal family history thing: One of my Great Uncles was selling newspapers on the streets of Boston when McKinley was shot. (That’s it. Not a big story. I always think it must have been like that newsboy scene in Mr. Smith Goes To Washington, with early 20th century clothes superimposed on the boys and lots of horses instead of cars).

  72. 72.

    Mike J

    I’ve made mozzarella and ricotta. Pretty easy, and tasty too, although I’m not sure it was that much tastier than quality store bought, and it seemed to take for-fucking-ever, even if it was only a few hours.

  73. 73.

    trollhattan

    @lamh36:
    [Raises hand]
    Where’s “Summer Soft”?

    Still sends chills up my spine when I hear it, like it did the first time.

    “And she’s gone.”

  75. 75.

    SatanicPanic

    @rikyrah: Some people just won’t believe it unless there’s evidence right in front of their face. I have a cousin who lives in Orange County. He’s, like me, part Latino, and in his case, definitely looks it. One day he was with a couple of his white buddies and they stole some beer from a liquor store. Some time later in the day he had an attack of conscience or something and tells his dad. His dad, in a decision I’m sure he regretted, made him go back to the liquor store and apologize.

    The liquor store had him arrested along with his two buddies. They go before a judge and guess who ends up with twice the amount of community service? That’s right, the dude who apologized. I don’t know if my uncle learned any lesson from that, but I feel like he must have been pretty naive to have pulled that one in the first place.

  76. 76.

    PurpleGirl

    @Tenar Darell: Burns, the producer/writer/documentary maker probably likes him. And he (George Will) is old and Burns thinks he connects the olden days and today in some way. (shrugs shoulders)

  78. 78.

    cckids

    @PurpleGirl:

    As a child I was bullied and made fun of by kids and adults because of a stutter. I grew up a reader. As I became aware of (racial) differences in people I tended to compare discrimination to how I was treated. My thought was “how horrible to be treated badly because of a different skin color which you can’t change.” I considered my stutter to be something I had no control over and couldn’t change. I hope that I’ve treated all people well over the years.

    I completely get that. My oldest son is severely handicapped; in a wheelchair, non-verbal, has a trach, etc. Before the ADA was implemented, we were relegated to “back of the bus” in theaters, some restaurants, all kinds of places. We still get that “WTF” look from way too many adults. I know it is not as all-encompassing as racism, but it was & is a real window into being the “other”.

  85. 85.

    srv

    Yeah, I’m not seeing those as water spouts, so gargoyles not.

    This blog needs an editor. WTF happened to the Ombudsman?

  86. 86.

    Mike E

    Tony Auth, 72… his Op/Ed cartoons were essential reading while navigating the Philly scene as well as being a good take on national events since the end of the Vietnam War.

  88. 88.

    Hal

    @Groucho48: Damn. Talk about flashbacks. I worked at Borders books in Cheektowaga. Opened the store and remember that accident.

    Once I drove my white coworker home who lived near the store and wouldn’t you know it, I was pulled over after making a uturn in a warehouse parking lot when I got lost. Per the officer the place had been robbed. I didn’t bother to say he was right behind me so how was I going to rob the place? That incident was very sad btw.

    On a dismal December day, with snow drifts of up to eight feet, Ms. Wiggins had boarded the Route 6 Metro bus for the ride from Buffalo’s predominantly black and low-income east side to the Galleria. Because the mall excluded Route 6 buses from its property, Ms. Wiggins got off at an intersection with no crosswalks or pedestrian signals, seven lanes of highway away from the mall.

  89. 89.

    PurpleGirl

    @Mike J: Agree. I liked how Burns explained that TR felt he had to work within the enumerated powers and that FDR wanted to work within the range of powers not denied the president. Those two views do not mean they hated the Constitution, means they had different views of it.

  90. 90.

    Tenar Darell

    @PurpleGirl: sigh…
    You’re probably right. I just was trying to find something on Will as a historian, but ran across how he’s been complimenting Burns in print since The Civil War.

    I get Baseball, but he has no expertise on this family, except thru a partisan political lens. I doubt the historians in the doc appreciate being lumped in with him. Yes TR was a warmonger, but Will doesn’t even get Presidential history right. All the way back to the founding Presidents have pushed up against the enumerated powers in the Constitution. Jefferson even wrote that he thought the Louisiana Purchase couldn’t pass a constitutional test, for example.

    I guess, like every Burns’ doc, I’ll have to hold my nose for the occasional stinker. The pictures are wonderful. Did you see that zoom in he did of TR watching Lincoln’s funeral cortège roll by? Wow!

  91. 91.

    ruemara

    Congrats on getting hitched to Psi! Safe and easy healing to Mem and Jacy! I also make a decent yoghurt cheese. I mix in garlic, minced herbs and then get all that silly wet out of it. Very tasty. I slid off an exercise ball that was too big for me and landed on both knees. Now my right knee has a coconut that looks like Jay Leno’s chin upside down.

  92. 92.

    Violet

    @ruemara: Ice the hell out of your knee. Do at least 15 minutes on and then 15 off. Do 20 on and 20 off if you can handle it. Ice in a ziploc with a dishcloth to protect the skin. Or a bag of frozen vegetables works well. Ice quite a few times in the first 24 hours and it can make a huge difference in the swelling, healing time and pain level.

  93. 93.

    shelley

    I’ve made homemade ricotta, after hearing various foodies raphsodizing over how it’s ten times better than store bought. Followed the recipe (easy), and it tastes exactly the same.

  94. 94.

    JR in WV

    We made cottage cheese back when we kept a milch cow. She was a Holstein and gave like 5+gallons a day at first. We sold some, made butter, drank whole, fed pigs, left the calf on, still some went bad and was poured out on the ground…

    Wonderful, good tasting milk. Lots of stainless ware, buckets, filter holders, pans, boiling water rinse for everything twice each milking. Mostly milked once a day and let the calf take care of the rest, seemed to work

    When Molly first came in, I carried the calf down off the ridge in my arms, and Molly followed me down. Her teats were about 1 inch long at first. We used bag balm and two fingers for the first weeks, until the tits grew out a little bit. The first month it seemed to take hours to get a bucket of milk. Eventually I could feel her side tense up just before she picked up in hind foot and set it down in the bucket of milk.

    It was such a sweet early foggy morning farm exercise…. Love milk, cream, butter, cheese.

    We have friends who keep a small herd of milk goats, white Sanaan I think, and their cheese would win the prixe anywhere, anywhere! Amazing soft herbed or garlic or, you name it, no predicting what’s in it, fabulous cheese.

  95. 95.

    RobNYNY1957

    @FlyingToaster:

    You can also use 1 cup of buttermilk per quart of milk as the starter. It’s easy and you can control the amount of salt you want to add. I think you can use 1/2 cup of yogurt per quart of milk, but I have never tried it that was.

  97. 97.

    Groucho48

    @Hal:

    Once I drove my white coworker home who lived near the store and wouldn’t you know it, I was pulled over after making a uturn in a warehouse parking lot when I got lost. Per the officer the place had been robbed. I didn’t bother to say he was right behind me so how was I going to rob the place? That incident was very sad btw.

    Yeah, that’s the kind of thing the Cheektowaga cops did. Wouldn’t arrest you, might not even give you a ticket for a tail light or whatever, but, they made it clear they didn’t trust or want black folks around and would be keeping a very close eye on you.

    They also had (have?) a policy that, if you wanted to be a police officer, you had to live in the town at least a year before you could apply. As it was a very white town, guess what kind of folks this affected the most. I wonder how much /outrage there would be from the right if Ferguson and other majority black towns passed a similar law?

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