The Wonkinatrix over at Wonkette has all the juicy details about the Sanford divorce. Some lowlights:
– That Mark was a deadbeat dad who was found in contempt of court for his refusal to make his court-ordered child support payments;
– that the previously unexplained prohibition against Mark flying airplanes at children arose because “crazy cousin” John played “chicken” by flying an actual passenger airplane at the Sanford kids;
– that Mark and his ex-wife’s primary concern, following the deaths of TWO kids who drowned at Coosaw Plantation, the Sanford family farm, was not about making the farm safer, but rather, protecting their financial assets in case any more kids died there;
– Mark repeatedly offered to get back together with his ex, while he was still banging his Argentine lover.
– Mark’s needless lie about legal representation.
I used to think he was just an asshole and she was insane, but I was wrong. They are both insane assholes, and if ever there was a match made in heaven, it was these two. They should try to settle their differences, because unless they both manage to marry into the Cheney or Palin clans, I doubt anyone will have anything to do with them romantically ever again.
I feel bad for their children and I feel bad for Maria Belen Chapur, who was blindsided by Sanford’s break-up via facebook. But hey- at least it wasn’t via text, amirite?
Emma
Sounds like a really bad parody of General Hospital. And I guess I’m a bit judgmental, but Ms. Chapur should have known that a man who pulls the crap Sanford pulled on his wife couldn’t be trusted to behave like a gentleman.
John Weiss
Yeeech!
Snarki, child of Loki
There are too many varieties of insanity, many of which are mutually incompatible. But they got that “asshole” thing going for them, so maybe they’ll work it out.
Cervantes
Not sure it’s a good idea to judge people in and around divorce proceedings.
Pretty sure it’s not necessary.
bemused
Sanford is a creepy narcissist. Everything is all about him. The other nutty thing is how SC people keep voting for him.
justawriter
Don’t be too sure. Even OJ found another girlfriend after Nicole.
stickler
Two dead children? TWO? This is absolutely batshit crazy. The man “relaxes” by digging holes with a backhoe? That then fill with water and kill children?
The whole family is insane. Good Lord have mercy.
EriktheRed
“That Mark was a deadbeat dad who was found in contempt of court for his refusal to make his court-ordered child support payments”
“that Mark and his ex-wife’s primary concern, following the deaths of TWO kids who drowned at Coosaw Plantation, the Sanford family farm, was not about making the farm safer, but rather, protecting their financial assets in case any more kids died there”
Yup, they certainly do seem like an Ayn Rand fans.
c u n d gulag
I feel sorry for the kids, because, genetically, they stand a good chance of also being insane assholes.
Calouste
@Cervantes:
Sandman voted to impeach Clinton over his affair and of course pretends to be about family values.
Btw, I don’t feel particularly bad about Maria Belen Chapur, she’s the one who was hooking up with a guy who was cheating on his wife. Did she really expect him to treat her better?
Ben Cisco
@Calouste: “If s/he’ll do it WITH you, s/he’ll do it TO you.”
Punchy
Say what? She was knowingly banging a married man. In a high office, with kids involved. These sitchys NEVER end well, and that’s well-documented.
IOW, if he’s a complete asshole liar to his wife, why wouldn’t he be the same with her? Same shit, different dame.
Botsplainer
On the awesome side, John, Jenny is available! And wealthy!
And you know how lovin’ with the cray-cray is….
...now I try to be amused
To Maria Belen Chapur, I say: Better for you to be rid of him now than later. Would have been better still never to have met him, but she’s not a time traveler.
lamh36
@Emma: my thoughts exactly about the mistress/ex fiancee.
You get involved with a married man and low and behind he’s not as trustworthy as you thought and ur surprised?
Um yeah…really really
Elizabelle
There’s a write-in candidate running against Mark Sanford this fall. Sanford is otherwise running unopposed.
Dmitry Cherny, an engineer/former IT guy turned trucker, with an interesting blog. Definitely more thoughtful than Sanford, but that only goes so far in the heavily Republican 1st Congressional District.
Charleston City Paper article on Cherny’s quest ends with this inarguable conclusion:
I guess in South Carolina they tell each other “at least we’re not Kansas.”
Elizabeth Colbert Busch was a superior candidate, and was trounced, 54-45% in last year’s special election.
Botsplainer
@Punchy:
Argentinian and hot.
I think its sort of a common assumption among the wives of Argentina that their powerful, wealthy husbands are hooking up. It can be a good deal – gets them out of their hair, and sets up the claims for the divorce.
catclub
Not sure if heaven is gonna take the blame for this one.
Elizabelle
@c u n d gulag:
On the bright side, maybe their crazy ass uncle with the Mooney will give them flying lessons.
Mike in NC
Looking forward to the Villagers — those Very Serious People! — discussing Sanford’s prospects as a Republican VP possibility in 2016.
Tommy
Wonkette has this story up:
Really kind of a must read IMHO.
In it they joke in the divorce documents it is said at their family farm Sanford flew planes at his kids. They assumed smaller, models planes. But nope, made his kids stand on a runway and his cousin in fact flew real live planes at them. The person that would stand the longest before running was the winner. WTF!
This is the same farm where two children have drowned on the property. One in a “pond” Sanford dug, just because he found it “relaxing” to dig big holes with the construction equipment he had. Now of all the things in this story, I can relate to this. I think it would be fun to just dig a big hole in the ground for no other reason then I could ….
Ex-wife saying you gave me part ownership of the farm because you couldn’t pay child support, so you need insurance. Sanford says he is confused, can’t keep an insurance plan in place. It is hard to read. Not even believable at some levels a person, and he is in Congress, is this stupid.
Oh go read it ….
J
@Elizabelle: piece quoted is good, but not I think inarguable. The idea that higher-up in the private sector would necessarily be in trouble for behavior like Sanford’s is unconvincing.
Roger Moore
@Emma:
I’m sure he had some kind of story about how horribly his wife was treating him. It’s the only way I can understand how somebody would get suckered into this kind of thing. It seems obvious to me that somebody who’s willing to break up a long-standing relationship to be with somebody else can’t be trusted; they’re going to pull the same shit again. I’m just waiting for the news that there’s another other woman out there.
beth
What I kept telling everyone I could during the last election was that Sanford had to pay back almost $40,000 in misused funds – he billed the state and his campaign for tons of personal stuff that he shouldn’t have. If that doesn’t scream “entitled asshole” what does? That part never gets put in the papers; only the juicy personal stuff. As far as I’m concerned, the financial stuff should have been enough to disqualify him from ever holding office again. It’s a mystery to me why so many of my neighbors agreed with me but went ahead and voted for him anyway. It’ wasn’t like Colbert-Bush was some screaming liberal.
Jenny Sanford’s another one with entitlement issues. She had a months long run in with her town over her large dogs running loose without leashes, scaring the neighborhood. If I remember correctly she refused to pay the fines for the repeated violations and went to court on the issue. Don’t remember the outcome of it.
John’s right – they’re both assholes. Pity the children.
catclub
The Tail End of the Appalachian Trail.
Accent on Tail.
WereBear
@Tommy: That IS an awesome piece. Like this:
We think wingnuts can only fail UP, but apparently there is a level of talent they must have. Something I cannot grasp but is worth millions… or, nothing.
Cervantes
@Calouste: Hey, schadenfreude is one thing but I’m just saying that divorce papers, such as those Wonkette got its hands on for this story, aren’t particularly known for their objectivity, truthfulness, fair-mindedness, or fidelity to the big picture.
Beyond that if people want to be judgmental about other people’s ostensibly private lives … as you say, it was good enough for Mark Sanford during the Clinton impeachment fiasco so it’s good enough for … well, my point is, carry on.
Botsplainer
@Roger Moore:
“She doesn’t love me, she takes me for granted, she makes me do everything and is never thankful, I give so very much and get no consideration back, she’s withheld physical affection for years, my marriage is dead, you’re my soulmate, I wish I’d met you 20 years ago, she repulses me, you’re my shining light…..”
boatboy_srq
It’s the Spartan Ethic again: it’s only wrong if you get caught. Sanford’s “sin” wasn’t cheating on his wife – it was getting found out. Had his Appalachian Tail escapades not been unearthed, he’d be sitting pretty atop the SC GOTea pyramid. The latest “poor poor pitiful me” ITRVH screeds simply shows that he doesn’t get it when he’s over the line and thinks he can preserve his political career simply because GOTea White Xtian Hetero. The ex isn’t doing him any favors, though (not that I’m surprised, just that it’s happening in full view of the public now instead of just the courtroom and the police department).
Between this pair’o’losers and the ethics trainwreck that is Bob “Ultrasound” McDonnell, the moral bankruptcy of the Family Values pols is becoming ever more obvious.
This part:
is particularly nasty – although not shielding one’s assets following a tragedy like this would be stupid. One would expect, though, that any such protection should happen in conjunction with safety measures rather as an alternative to them.
catclub
I guess there’s something to being, at least in some sense, honest about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/15/us/holder-says-private-suit-against-united-against-nuclear-iran-risks-state-secrets.html?ref=us&_r=2
So it is not an open thread, sue me. WTF is up with the US government shutting down a lawsuit against a private party ( between private parties) based on State secrets privilege?? Anybody with ideas?
JCJ
Jenny Sanford was on The Daily Show after the whole hiking the Appalachian Trail nonsense. I think Jon Stewart and the audience were completely taken aback by her complete assholishness (is that a word?) Any sympathy anyone in the audience had for her going to the interview was completely gone.
Mnemosyne
@catclub:
They didn’t want board member Joe Lieberman getting access to information about Iran? Or any of the foreign nationals listed as being on the board, including at least one former Mossad official?
Patrick
She dated a married man. I don’t feel sorry for her.
kc
Sanford is about to be returned to Congress by the voters of SC District 1, which includes Charleston, which SOME OF Y’ALL were saying was such a GREAT place, full of lovely people, not like the REST of SC, etc.
Just sayin’.
geg6
Which is more than she deserved, since she was happily banging a married man. I can’t even believe you feel sympathy for anyone in this entire saga (with the possible exception of the kids). They are all disgusting, self-centered assholes, each and every one of them.
Southern Beale
Trying to remember if he won when he ran for Congress?
kc
@JCJ:
She didn’t deserve the public humiliation Sanford brought to her, but she’s a right wing asshole, just like he is. They used to call her the “brains” behind Sanford when he was the governor of SC.
Botsplainer
@Cervantes:
Hey, goddammit – some of my best fiction shows up in the pleadings I file. How dare you call them out for the bullshit they are.
In seriousness, one long term acquaintance of mine from high school years had a really acrimonious divorce regarding his pretty long term marriage. I was talking to his brother, who sagely said
He wasn’t kidding, either. My acquaintance was a lazy, shiftless Stormfront/NatVan poster who flirted with open attendance at KKK meetings and white supremacy rallies. His ex-to-be was lazier, more shiftless, and couldn’t be bothered to hold a job for a month before her acrimony would blow up the workplace.
Against this backdrop, and in full knowledge of the facts of his proclivities, the VERY progressive Jewish woman who got lucky enough to be the judge on the case decided that HE was the better, more responsible parent and awarded him sole custody.
bemused
@lamh36:
Why does a woman ever think she will be the exception and the cheating husband will turn into a faithful husband with her? And why would Jenny Sanford take a “leap of faith” and marry a guy who insisted the vow to be faithful be removed from their vows? Just bizarre.
I only feel sorry for the kids. What are the chances of them growing up without baggage passed down to them by these three nuts.
kc
@Southern Beale:
Hell, yes, he won, he beat Elizabeth Colbert Busch. He’s running again and will win. Charleston will send this sociopath back to Congress as long as he wants to go there.
boatboy_srq
@Cervantes: I’d agree except that Sanford seems compelled to air all the dirty laundry over the airwaves to anyone who cares to listen. Under those circumstances it’s difficult to call his divorce “a private matter” since he clearly doesn’t think so.
Mnemosyne
@catclub:
Sorry, just realized I misread the article about who’s suing whom and now I can’t change my previous comment. It does sound as though the US government is giving cover to a pro-Israel lobbying group, which is not good.
beth
@kc: Hey! As we say here in the Charleston area, bless your heart! (lol)
Botsplainer
@bemused:
Soulmate. Love unbounded by time and space.
WereBear
Actually, their position is that everybody does this, because we are all seething cesspools of sin.
They at least feel badly about it, and entreat Jeebus for his forgiveness, which always comes! Not like us non-Xantians, who cohabitate in rebellious defiance for years without admitting that makes us less than slime molds.
It’s not hypocrisy, to their minds.
kc
@Cervantes:
It’s a transcript, not a complaint. It’s got both sides, as they say.
Sorry, no, this is not like Clinton. Sanford left the COUNTRY and lied to his staff and reporters (not to mention his family) about where he was. More recently he put a nearly 2400 word Facebook post up complaining about Jenny.
If he had just kept his mouth shut and showed up for the (closed to the public) hearing, you wouldn’t be reading all this stuff now.
Elizabelle
@JCJ:
Whoa. Vanity Fair reviewer agrees with you. Watching the video (link embedded) now. From February 2010.
What on Earth was Jenny Sanford Thinking?
kc
@beth:
LOL! Not you, those OTHER Charlestonians. You know the ones. :D
SatanicPanic
@bemused: Same reason people text and drive, take up smoking, or engage in any high risk behavior= “won’t happen to me”
stinger
<blockquote cite="I used to think he was just an asshole and she was insane, but I was wrong. They are both insane assholes, and if ever there was a match made in heaven, it was these two. They should try to settle their differences, because unless they both manage to marry into the Cheney or Palin clans, I doubt anyone will have anything to do with them romantically ever again."
I think I love you, Mr. Cole. My keyboard, however, needs cleaning.
patrick II
Back when the Appalachian Trail misadventure came to light and Mark Sanford finally admitted what he had done — he said he only did it because Ms. Maria Belen Chapur was the love of his life. That he would only do such out of character things because this was not just any woman, but the one he was meant to be with. That he took his Christian marriage vows seriously, but than he was overwhelmed by true love.
And now he breaks up with her on Facebook. He is one sincere s.o.b.
bemused
@Botsplainer:
Yeech!
I always need to remind myself to never underestimate the urge people have to delude themselves.
Cervantes
@kc:
Actually, I’m not reading all this stuff now regardless.
Cervantes
@Botsplainer:
!
bemused
@Elizabelle:
Neither Mark nor Jenny seem to know when to shut up. They are clueless that much of what they believe and say publicly are odd and offensive to a lot of people. They must assume most people are just like them.
GxB
@JCJ:
I use “asshole-icity,” it rolls off the tongue better.
Roger Moore
@Botsplainer:
I guess it also helps to remember that Sanford is probably a sociopath, and they’re notorious for their ability to tell convincing lies. I can also imagine somebody having a fling with a married person- which is sleazy but not dumb in the same way as expecting them to get divorced and then be faithful to their new love- only to fall in love and lose their judgment. Love makes people do stupid things.
FlipYrWhig
@GxB: Sort of rhymes with Catholicity.
Elizabelle
@bemused:
Yeah, the Daily Show interview amazed me.
The Sanfords live in a closed loop. They talk like that to their friends and associates. No other explanation.
She’s allegedly the smart one of the couple, and she could not drop the “miss the convict gardeners/dog washers” subject. Her dogs are filthy and her gardens look bad now because she doesn’t want to pay for what she got free (from the convicts and the taxpayers). Jon Stewart looked startled.
And Jenny’s a Republican through and through. Talked up how Mark is still true to his Republican principles, even while he strays personally.
Conveniently forgetting the incident of dereliction of duty/trying to stick taxpayers with the Argentinian romantic visit. Until she remembered it.
Biggest issue is deficits and debt.
You heard that from Mrs. Heiress married to the governor.
Mr. Longform
@Botsplainer: Wait, you mean those lines have been used before? and they aren’t totally convincing? damn.
MattF
Must be somethin’ in the water. Gin, maybe.
Elizabelle
Mark Sanford does have an appealing personal side — hate to say that, but you can see it in interviews and via what people say about him. He is personable, if irresponsible. Maybe he’s in love with being in love.
That said, he does not treat his loved ones with respect. Affection, yes. And he’s a narcissist and maybe a sociopath.
It’s terrible he has succeeded so well in politics.
rikyrah
Don’t feel bad for her….she started a relationship in the dirt…so, why shouldn’t hers end that way?
shortstop
I’m just wondering if Cole actually watched the interminable “soulmate” press conference at which Sanford announced his heart was with MBC. If he had, he’d have concluded years ago that Mark Sanford is fucking batshit.
bemused
@Elizabelle:
It’s amazing and terrible to me that SC voters will overlook almost anything a candidate does as long as he/she has the Republican “values” they have at the top of their priority list. I’m thinking David Vitter type scandals, etc. too.
Jay C
@Elizabelle:
Since when has South Carolina EVER had a viable “two-party system”??
The “bankruptcy” bit is right-on, though: one would like to think that the SC GOP would be at least a tad embarrassed by Sanford’s antics – enough to at least back a primary opponent – but apparently not. Either Appalachian Mark has dossiers full of juicy dirt stashed away, or else the state Party just doesn’t give a good goddam about how they look: either to the voters, the press or each other. Or both…
boatboy_srq
@WereBear: Are you trying to validate their position due to their faux penance? Because “everybody does it” hasn’t been a valid reason for bad behavior since before the first schoolkid tried it on his/her parents.
Calouste
@shortstop:
IIRC, Cole watched it and concluded that Sanford was a decent fellow or something like that. Cole still is, and will always be, a sucker for a Southern politician with good hair.
Princess
I am going to acquit Jenny on the liability insurance issues. The property is Sanford property and she has no control over who builds what fences where over there. But a lawsuit could attempt to go after her assets if someone drowned there, since she is the one who has the assets — whether that would be successful or not I don’t know. I don’t blame her for insisting they be insured. That is something you can do in a divorce case. Insisting they fence their pool, not so much. I’d do the same if I were her.
Which is not to say that they aren’t all horrible, hateful people. I would like to think there was some terrible language barrier that prevented Ms Chapur from knowing the real Mark Sanford, but there probably wasn’t.
Elizabelle
@bemused:
@Jay C:
It is heartbreaking.
You have to have a really good organization to reach all the district constituents. The SC Democratic party does not have it and — as bemused says — Republicans will vote for just about anything with an “R” on the label. It’s a reflex, and they fall for sloganeering (appeals to greed and racism) over and over.
2010 piece from the Post and Courier:
[… on to Miss South Carolina, and the lt. governor who compared public assistance to feeding stray animals, and]
Princess
…And it is worth recalling that if Sanford hadn’t been caught hiking, and had managed to have a slightly more civilized divorce, he would be running for president right now. And he wouldn’t be in last place.
hoodie
@Elizabelle: Having grown up with intermittent contact with this breed of southern gentility, the Sanfords are not atypical. You’ll find an enclave of these folks in just about every southern town, often ensconced in tree-lined neighborhoods of elaborately renovated antique homes or in golf course communities. They tend to believe in bloodlines and can be as inbred and crazy as a bunch of hillbillies (at least the hillbillies moved to Detroit or California to get work and thus got less insular). I call them “last name first name people.”
shortstop
@Calouste: Well, I dunno about that. It seems likely that Cole saw the cringe-making pathos — and there were bargeloads of it in that press conference — and assumed it can’t coexist with insanity. Not so!
Keith G
There is no good reason to care about this shit. If there were, I could always go to Talking Points Memo.
Villago Delenda Est
@Cervantes: Your concern has been noted, and will be filed in the appropriate place.
Cervantes
@Villago Delenda Est: Could not care less.
VOR
Isn’t this guy one of the Holier than Thou C-streeters? Here’s a Mark Sanford quote: “It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one’s faith ought to be in how one lives his life.”
Trollhattan
@bemused:
I think you got that half right: they think most people are fascinated by them, because they’re better.
Nora
Both Mark and Jenny are supposed to be sophisticated people who have understand what insurance is all about. Jenny is likely upset she had to take a stake in the farm instead of cash. She also has to keep dealing with her ex husband and his family and they likewise have to deal with her. They should insure their farm properly. But she could get an umbrella liability policy from her insurer. She would then have the insurance and could take Mark back to court for reimbursement for his failure to get it for the farm.
Mandalay
@Cervantes:
Well I think it is an excellent time. I think you learn far more about who Sanford really is, especially since claims in the divorce proceedings by his ex-wife contradict claims previously made by Sanford.
And he really opened the door for people to examine his private life. He proclaimed his love for another woman at a press conference. He used her as a backdrop during his campaign for the House. And he chose to post about the end of that relationship on Facebook. It’s not as though anyone is prying on his private life. He chose to make it all very public.
How should we judge Sanford? By his political ads and his Facebook postings? Is that where we would find the “real” Mark Sanford?
boatboy_srq
@VOR: That’s a delicious quote from a dishonest, negligent, philandering, self-centred hack. What faith does he profess again?
Trollhattan
@Mandalay: I’m a little late to the dance, it would seem, and did not know that Sanford is now a member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Yes, I’d say that these are precisely the sort of things we should know about those who run this country.
Games of chicken involving an actual airplane and children? They’re blueblood Palins, these people.
Cervantes
@Mandalay:
That’s what they — including Sanford — said about their need to “examine” Bill Clinton’s private life. I found it puerile, voyeuristic, and unconvincing back then; I still do.
kc
@Cervantes:
I guess I would be as indignant as you are if I didn’t understand the difference between commenting on someone’s public behavior (and Facebook posts!) and spending tens of millions of dollars of public money and tying up Congress trying to find out what the president did behind closed doors.
Cervantes
@kc: No problem. It’s your time.
Meanwhile I don’t think you are using the word “indignant” in any way that I recognize.
bemused
@Trollhattan:
People who believe they are superior humans always think others are fascinated by and envious of them, interpreting criticism and ridicule as sour grape jealousy.
Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)
@Cervantes:
I think the phrases that come to mind with Sanford include, “just deserts,” “what goes around, comes around,” and “don’t be a fucking hypocrite” (okay, that last one is mine). In short, if you choose to get up on your high horse and very publicly judge the morality of others, you don’t get to whine when others judge your own very similar behavior.
Cervantes
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini):
You don’t quite understand what I’m saying. It’s not that I think Sanford would be justified if he were to complain about, say, this thread. I’m really not interested in his view of anything. Moreover I don’t give a hoot what he or his wife say in their divorce proceedings. I see it as none of my business; nor, if it were my business, would I be prepared to take the word of either one of them against the word of the other.
By the way, when I said divorce proceedings are not Fountains of Truth, a practicing attorney agreed; while someone else said:
What do you do with responses like this one? I simply ignored it.
Villago Delenda Est
@Trollhattan:
Which is precisely why they need tumbrel rides.
Villago Delenda Est
@boatboy_srq: He is, like all Rethuglicans, a worshiper of Mammon.
JR in WV
I’m impressed by ex-Gov Sanford’s ability to dig with a backhoe. It isn’t as easy as it looks to do it right.
When I do it right, I’m filling in behind the pipeline being laid, or putting in a drainage ditch so it won’t stay filled with water. The first chore we did the the new tractor backhoe was digging up a flawed joint in 2 inch slip joint water line, in the winter time, right before Xmas and New Year’s.
After replacing the 92 degree joint twice, once wrong and once correct, we buried everything up and it’s been underground since the end of 2008.
Then the next fall the local public services district ran a public water line into the neighborhood. The last stop was next door, about 720 feet away from my water system. So I used the trusty Tractor/Backhoe to run just over 750 feet of trench, buried 740 feet of 2″ water line, connected that water line to the existing water system. Did not connect the far end of the new line to the Public system tap.
If the well becomes contaminated by coal mining or oil and gas drilling, we can connect to the public water system in a couple of hours, and we’re back in business. Plus I still have the tractor/backhoe. They’re really fun to use when you need one. Expensive to hire that kind of work done, tho.
Sanford is an ass, but not because he likes digging with a hoe – that’s the only human thing about the booby!
kc
@Cervantes:
I apologize. I wish I could think of a more apt word to describe your general stick-up-the-butt-ish demeanor.
shortstop
@Cervantes: Did “they” say that? Did “they” note that Clinton had held an hour-long, maudlin press conference of his own volition in which he sobbed over the “love of his life”? Did “they” point out that Clinton had, unprompted, written a 2,500-word Facebook post in which he emotionally disemboweled himself, failing to have a single unexpressed thought about either his marriage or his relationship with the woman he was seeing during his marriage? Because I don’t remember him doing any of that crap.
Or, more succinctly, @kc: this.
Sometimes, as when closeted gay folks make public policy/legislation that hurts LGBT people, it’s about the hypocrisy. This time it goes way beyond that. Sanford has fucking begged people to examine his marriage and relationships at horrifying, embarrassing length. He not only has no expectation of privacy; he’s personally torn up the notion of a private life and thrown the little pieces out the window.
Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)
@Cervantes:
As shortstop just pointed out, though, Sanford insisted on publicly sharing all of the intimate details of his personal life with the general public when he first took that trip on the Appalachian Trail. You can choose to look or not look, but he’s the the one who invited us into his private life in the first place.
Cervantes
@kc: Not to worry. Don’t strain yourself. I wouldn’t want to be responsible for any internal injury or permanent damage.
Cervantes
@shortstop:
Why, yes — yes, they did.
No, but so what? Here’s my point again:
You see the point? And that what you’re saying to me does not cover it?
Succinct, indeed.
You actually think I’m arguing that Sanford has an expectation of privacy? That’s … surprising.
Cervantes
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini):
He did. There’s no doubt about that.
But tell me again what it has to do with relying on his wife’s (or ex-wife’s) assertions in divorce proceedings.
kc
@Cervantes:
It was a post-divorce rule to show cause proceeding held because Jenny alleged that Sanford violated the terms of their agreement, which was approved by the court and made a court order. Basically, a contempt of court hearing. And the facts weren’t even really in dispute – Sanford had, for example, failed to make payments he was obligated to make.
If you don’t want to sully yourself by reading this stuff, that’s cool, but it might help if you understood what people are talking about before you spend all night scolding them for talking about it.
Cain
Very unfortunate for Ms. Chapur. A very attractive woman. (and hopefully a personality to matches) Nobody deserves that.
Cervantes
@kc:
Yes, it was a post-divorce proceeding, hence my first comment (“in and around divorce proceedings”) — but thanks for trying to clarify.
And no, I don’t accept that “facts weren’t even really in dispute.” That may be your view and you are welcome to it. And Wonkette can do whatever it wants on that basis, and you can, too. I just don’t think it’s a good idea — which is all I said. (Well, I also said it’s unnecessary.)
Thanks, but your attempt to help is redundant — and that’s the kindest thing I can say about it.