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Penn State fans are all pissed off at Rutgers fans for wearing Ped State t-shirts and some inappropriate signage (seen above) because apparently we are now supposed to think of the kids. The Rutgers AD was forced to issue an apology, and all I can think about is the chutzpah of the Penn State folks. These are the same Penn State fans who, when notified that Penn State would no longer be disqualified from post season play (something I agree with, because none of the players at Penn State currently there had ANYTHING to do with this, so why should they be punished) had the following reaction:

Yeah. Think of the kids.

Basically, screw Penn State and their whiny, enabling fan base who still want to honor the man who sat by and did nothing while Sandusky ran a child rape factory in the locker room. And to answer the question posted above in the first tweet, how would I explain the sign to my kids? Simple, if I had a kid, I’d tell him to stay the fuck away from Sandusky, Spanier, Schultz, and Curley, and not to ever go into the Penn state locker room (props to Bobcat Goldthwait– relevant part starting about 30 seconds in)).

Speaking of people your kid should stay away from, Adrian Peterson, to the surprise of no one (you do this kind of thing once, you’ve done it a hundred times without getting caught), might be a serial child abuser, and the Vikings might want to rethink putting him back on the field as they did today. Assholes.

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  1. 1.

    Corner Stone

    Who could’ve ever guessed that a man who had a “whooping room” made a habit out of beating the shit out of children?

  2. 2.

    Corner Stone

    Jesus – “There are many rooms in my father’s house.”

    AP’s child – “There are many belts in my father’s closet.”

  3. 3.

    Mike J

    Keeping Penn state out of the bowl games isn’t to punish the players. It’s the only way to punish the school, short of just refusing to sanction any of their games.

    The kids who are there didn’t have anything to do with it, but they accepted scholarships to play for a school they knew wouldn’t be allowed into a bowl. You’re not punishing them, you’re letting the school off easy.

  5. 5.

    Corner Stone

    I wonder what Ray Rice was thinking when they reinstated AP.
    “So you’re saying there’s a chance?”

  6. 6.

    Dog On Porch

    I just found out Peterson’s 4 year old was bleeding as a result of his beating. I said the other day that if any group can kill a golden goose, it’s NFL ownership. It apparently escaped their notice that it would dawn (on even die-hard, rah rah fans) that were Peterson [say] an obscure offensive lineman, he would have been cut.

  7. 7.

    Jay B.

    I think that sign is just as valid as the Kent State Urban Outfitter sweat with blood and bullet holes. Taken as bleak satire, they both make darkly humorous statements about atrocities. I might have some issues with selling that kind of statement, but I’m not sure why exactly. They aren’t the crimes. They are shining lights at the crime.

    In each case it’s the “you’re racist by calling out racism” argument.

  8. 8.

    Keith G

    @Corner Stone: I have a suspicion that Rice will be on the field next season, if his abusive behaviors are not repeated and it is clear that there were no previous occurrences.

  9. 9.

    lamh36

    Please think of the kids.

    Autopsy report shows police shot Darrien Hunt in the back, lawyer says

    Darrien Nathaniel Hunt was an oddity in Saratoga Springs, a small, well-to-do city in Utah where a pair of white police officers gunned him down last week.

    A young black man with a towering Afro, Hunt stood out in this overwhelmingly white city about 30 minutes south of Salt Lake City. So much so that just moments before officers killed him in a barrage of gunfire on Sept. 10, passersby pulled out their cell phones and snapped photos of the 22-year-old with the big hair, bright red shirt and toy sword slung over his shoulder.

    “People were taking pictures saying hey, look what I found,” Randall Edwards, an attorney for Hunt’s family, told msnbc. Moments later Hunt was dead, struck with half a dozen bullets. The fatal shot struck him in the back, according to Edwards…

    Police say that officers were responding to a report of a suspicious person walking around with a “samurai-type” sword when they confronted Hunt. They say he brandished the sword and lunged at the officers, at which point they opened fire on him.

    Hunt’s family and their attorney are refuting those claims, saying that witnesses saw Hunt running from the officers as they fired on him, that he was shot six times from behind and that he fell and died about 100 yards from where police initially made contact with him.

    Edwards, the attorney, said that an independent autopsy conducted at the behest of the family shows that the fatal shot struck Hunt at the center of his back. Five other gunshots struck him from behind, he said, including shots to his legs, shoulder, elbow and hand…

    Hunt’s family has also been adamant that they believe his race – his mother is white, his father is black – played a role in the shooting. His mother, Susan Hunt, insists he was killed “because he’s black.”

    Edwards said the alleged weapon that Hunt was carrying at the time of his death had a blunt edge and was largely decorative – something “you might win at a carnival for knocking over stuffed animals.”

    “When you look at those facts, the report from the pathologist and witness statements, it appears clear that the story that has been given out by the County Attorney that he was brandishing a sword and lunging at the officers is at least questionable,” Edwards said. “There were no gunshot wounds from the front, so the question then is what happened. ..

  10. 10.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @lamh36: I told you back after it happened that that you should not expect an instant result. Grand juries frequently can take a long time.

    ETA: I wouldn’t read anything, good or bad, into this development.

  12. 12.

    mai naem mobile

    Okay I know I shouldn’t say this but I think thats pretty funny in its context of one school making fun of a perennial opponent. Also I dont think kids would figure out that sign.I am old enough to remember when UCLA fans used to taunt UA’s Steve Kerr about his father who had been recently killed in a terrorist action in Lebanon. That I found really offensive.

  13. 13.

    Crusty Dem

    something I agree with, because none of the players at Penn State currently there had ANYTHING to do with this, so why should they be punished

    Bullshit. Hardly any sanctions are due to the behavior of players. And if so, the punishment comes AFTER the player is long gone.

    No program has ever had the degree of institutional breakdown as Penn State. You had ADs, coaches, and University executives covering up child rape in athletic facilities for a decade. The only reasonable punishment was the “death penalty”. A hefty fine and a 1-2 yr punishment is the ultimate slap on the wrist.

    Fuck the NCAA. Fuck Penn State.

  15. 15.

    Dog On Porch

    @mai naem mobile: Penn State fans seem to entertain the thought the school will one day disassociate itself from that scandal. That probably would have proved the case, too, had Paterno not been Paterno.

    Upthread, Crust Dem spoke for me when she wrote: .. “No program has ever had the degree of institutional breakdown as Penn State”… Or so I hope, anyway.

  16. 16.

    scav

    AP may find it unwise to have tpso thoroughly jumped into the righteous justifications about how utterly normal, traditional and unproblematic his parenting skills are. Let alone have trotted out “I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.”

    When in the one set of alleged tweets he sent to the one mother he said that “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”

    And then, golly, in a different set of alleged tweets to a different mother it’s “I felt so bad but he did it his self.”

    Normal, unremarkable child rearing totally involves pre-emptively calling up the mother and explaining why it’s all totally a no big deal, the 4-year-old’s fault anyway and you feel bad about it. The timey-wimey post-psychologist revelation about child-care options despite the reference to possibly using time-outs earlier is just pure icing.

  17. 17.

    Keith G

    BTW, to put a brief hold on the fest of outrage that John seems to be featuring today…

    I just now finished listening to the audiobook version of LeCarre’s Tinker Tailor Soldier Sailor. It is an awesome presentation. Amazing writing paired with a fantastic reader.

  18. 18.

    lamh36

    @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):

    Well then I guess I should just feel reassured that justice will prevail. This D.A. is obviously trustworthy since he has the trust of duly elected white politicians like Claire McCaskill and Gov NIxon.

    It’s not like there is anything being done differently for this grand jury that hasn’t normally been done in the past, except that:

    St. Louis County grand jury usually sits for four months, a period that for the current panel expired last week. State law provides for a term of up to six months, which moves the date to November”.

    Or this “usual” step:

    ..McCulloch chose to take the full investigation of Wilson’s use of deadly force to the grand jury. He announced weeks ago that he would present all the evidence gathered, leaving to grand jurors the decision of what to do.

    His spokesman, Ed Magee, said Monday it is a somewhat unusual circumstance in that the office is not asking the grand jury to endorse a charge already filed. He said prosecutors will help the grand jury navigate legal issues and draw its own conclusion about what to do with Wilson…

    I don’t know why I’m soo cynical though? My own failing I guess.

  20. 20.

    Roger Moore

    I wouldn’t expect it to be too hard to explain it to a kid, since parents are already supposed to be teaching them about inappropriate touching. It’s only hard if you don’t want to admit Penn State’s role in the whole mess.

  21. 21.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    You just don’t understand Cole! Its not bad when a guy who plays for my local franchise/University does it. In case of video tape refer to rule one.

  23. 23.

    Schlemazel [was Schlemizel till NotMax taught me proper yiddish!]

    @Dog On Porch: “No program has ever had the degree of institutional breakdown as Penn State”…

    Probably not true, very probably. Now if it said “No program has been CAUGHT with the degree. . . :

  24. 24.

    SatanicPanic

    @Roger Moore: “There was a bad man who used to work at Penn State, and all of his friends didn’t tell on him so he kept doing bad things, but he’s in jail now so don’t worry about him. But if any man tries to touch you like that, run! And then go tell a woman.” It’s a teachable moment.

  25. 25.

    RobertDSC-iPhone 4

    Funny, I would have preferred the death penalty for the program, permanent barring from competition of any kind of football activity, and the stadium destroyed and the remaining land salted.

    Fuck Penn State.

  26. 26.

    Gex

    The part I like best about all the NFL controversy is how a NFL coach can advocate the extermination of all gay people, confirmed by the league’s investigation, and that really is NBD to the public or the league. Two game suspension. Hardly a word about it. And then letting that coach continue on training young men in the art of applied violence. What could go wrong?

    I’d have argued that wanting to murder people is worse than wanting to hit them. Guess I’m wrong.

    I know there’s a difference in that Rice and Peterson actually hurt people. But Jesus shit, that genocidal stuff should be a bigger deal.

  27. 27.

    Tommy

    I am a LSU guy. I bet if our program was put under a microscope sad things would come out. But I don’t think we had a coach fucking kids. Penn State did and you can’t get around that.

    I come to this place. I am sure Nore Dame. This school or that school will call me out.

    But I think we are 157 and 2 under the lights. Please watch this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqKthXGYAOQ

    I went to college there and to see a game, hard to explain what it was like.

  28. 28.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @lamh36:

    Well then I guess I should just feel reassured that justice will prevail.

    I didn’t say that. The current grand jury had been empaneled for a while already when Brown was gunned down. The prosecutor is simply pushing out the possible end date so that the GJ has as much time as possible. It is not an uncommon thing. Like I said, I would not read anything into this.

    ETA: There are a lot of reasons to be cynical about what is going on, but this isn’t really one of them.

  32. 32.

    jibeaux

    Adrian Peterson’s a psychopathic POS. Now if there were videotape of him whipping a preschooler’s nuts, he’d probably have a different outcome, but since it’s just in the reports of medical doctors, I guess it’s play on!

  37. 37.

    Tommy

    @jibeaux: I am 44. My mom beat/hit me with a swtich. Now I think we have moved pass that. But to think it is so foreign is a joke IMHO. I like for a better phrase got my ass tanned. I am pretty sure that would not be how my parents do shit now. But what was done and I don’t think anybody would accuse my folks of not loving me.

  39. 39.

    Cacti

    @Tommy:

    I’m in my late 30s and I got my backside beat with objects when I was a kid, including switches and belts.

    I never had welts put on my scrotum though.

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I don’t have any kids, four years olds look like babies to me. How the hell do you whip one till he bleeds? Stuffing his mouth with leaves? “sorry I hit him in the nuts”? asshole head of the Vikings came out and referred to it as “disciplining a child”.

    Looks like Radisson hotels is severing ties with the Vikings.

  42. 42.

    Gex

    @John Cole +0: The special teams coach that Kluwe claimed said gays should be put on an island and nuked. The league and the team investigated, settled with Kluwe, and suspended the coach for two games. I’m not so sure you missed it as no one really made that big a deal of it.

  43. 43.

    everbluegreen

    I don’t give a fuck for the delicate feelings of Penn State fans. I think the whole fucking football institution there should be burned to the ground.

    But I do care for the people who are actual victims of childhood sexual abuse, who are being mocked by these signs as much as are Sandusky et al. For that reason, I think they’re offensive and hurtful. Not because they make some Penn State fans go boo-hoo.

  44. 44.

    SFAW

    OK, I admit my ignorance: what statue? Paterno?

    @efgoldman:

    “I’m a moderate Republican,” says he

    Sheldon Whitehouse is your doctor?

    Because he’s about the only “moderate Republican” left.

  45. 45.

    Tommy

    @Cacti: @Cacti:

    I never had welts put on my scrotum though.

    And that is the key problem isn’t it. Look I can understand whooping the kids ass. I can because I’ve had it done to me. But NEVER did it get near my balls. That is when you step totally over the line.

  46. 46.

    Gex

    @Tommy: I take that as a sign that he was out of control and not administering discipline in a calculated manner. He was beating the shit out of the kid. And I suspect that is a detail that will get him convicted. The Vikings should have seen that as a huge red flag too.

  48. 48.

    rikyrah

    @lamh36:

    Is it too cynical of me to believe that there is some hope that people will “forget” by January?

    You are not being too cynical.

    These muthaphuckas really think someone is playing with them.

  49. 49.

    rikyrah

    @lamh36:

    Well then I guess I should just feel reassured that justice will prevail. This D.A. is obviously trustworthy since he has the trust of duly elected white politicians like Claire McCaskill and Gov NIxon.

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    oh lamh…

    you slay me…

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

  50. 50.

    askew

    Adrian Peterson’s son also had open wounds on his hands from the switching as well. This is clearly child abuse and if the Vikings don’t get rid of AD after this second allegation, it won’t be just Radisson who is cutting ties with the Vikings. No brand wants to be associated with a team that covers for child abusers.

  51. 51.

    Gex

    @Gex: Not that I consider that administering discipline. I’m just saying that even given his framing, he was out of control.

  52. 52.

    Tommy

    @Gex: My mom loved the race track, to spank me. I think she just did it cause it was what moms were told to do. I got my ass kicked. Bet nobody does that anymore that is sane.

  53. 53.

    samiam

    Atta boy. Stay cynical Cole.

    ” I know that sometimes it must be frustrating watching what’s going on. … that counts on you being cynical about stuff so that you don’t vote, you don’t get involved, … Do not let them win by you being cynical.”

    –Barack Obama

  55. 55.

    rb

    @Gex: not administering discipline in a calculated manner

    Yeah, I guess I’m in the minority in thinking that a person who beats his kid in an “out of control” fashion has big issues and deserves to have his kids taken away, but also that the sort who beats his kids “in a calculated manner” is a far more frightening and fucked up individual.

    Brings to mind a murderer slowly, “calculatedly,” dispassionately strangling someone to death.

  57. 57.

    Gex

    @rb: Oh yeah, agreed. I don’t believe in child hitting. I think being pro child hitting is like being anti evolution or anti climate change. It is believing whatever you want in direct contradiction to the science of the matter.

    But there is a difference still in parenting according to a thought out plan on how you intend to parent and losing your shit in a rage and beating a kid. Both are horrible to me. But if AP wasn’t in control then he is just justifying his actions after the fact.

  58. 58.

    Dog On Porch

    @askew: That’s right. Billions of dollars are in play pending.. well, just pending. Toss in the magic of medicine, which for decades has turned mere players into player-beasts, and it’s a combustible mix. For the moment, the big bad NFL has got that deer in the headlights thing going on.

  59. 59.

    jibeaux

    It’s 2014. Departments of social services, as far as I’m aware, do not consider spanking children on the butt with the hand to be abusive, but using weapons to do it and/or hitting away from the butt lands into abuse territory, as it should be. I am from the South and am well aware that there are any number of people whose parents didn’t spoil the rod and they turned out just dandy but it’s just a new damn millennium now and Adrian Peterson is not fucking old enough to play the “in my day” card.

  61. 61.

    Gex

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): I acknowledged that, didn’t I? I said he didn’t actually hurt someone like the other two. But if you don’t think gay people don’t get beaten and murdered because people talk that way about us you are fooling yourself.

    I just said it should have been a bigger deal to the league and the fans than it was. Not a bigger deal than the Rice and Peterson cases. Do you disagree?

    Personally since the league likes to make a big deal around draft time about how they mold young men, I find the idea that they retain someone who thinks and speaks that way to teach those young men is appalling.

  62. 62.

    jibeaux

    @scav: Okay, so there’s two ways to make them take child abuse seriously. I had forgotten about money. Good on ya, Radisson.

  64. 64.

    Corner Stone

    @SFAW:

    Sheldon Whitehouse is your doctor?

    Because he’s about the only “moderate Republican” left.

    Do try to keep up.

  65. 65.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    @Gex: The list of behaviors that sports coaches get away with that no managers in any other industry would survive is very, very long. Take Bobby Knight, for instance. So, not only doesn’t it surprise me at all, the league would have a hard time doing anything more without changing the entire culture of the locker room. Not the culture with regards to gays; the ENTIRE culture of how sports coaches motivate people.

    While I would very much like to see that done, that’s what’s at issue. To be honest, I can’t really get that much more exercised about that than I do about coaches’ motivational speeches in general. They’re often full of violent, hateful, demeaning rhetoric.

  66. 66.

    Violet

    @Tommy:

    Look I can understand whooping the kids ass. I can because I’ve had it done to me. But NEVER did it get near my balls. That is when you step totally over the line.

    That’s how it continues generation to generation. “My parents did it and I turned out okay.” “They didn’t beat me too badly.”

    Hitting a child teaches them that hitting is okay.

  68. 68.

    Eric U.

    I am still for the death penalty for football here at pedobear university (show us on the Nittany Lion doll where the coach touched you), because nothing at all was learned. You can’t argue because all the Penn State fans are in denial. It could easily happen again. And that’s true at any place where they play football, it’s not just the successful programs. The administration is in fear of the football program, it’s incredibly corrupting of the whole university.

    I suspect there are other people like Sandusky out there, lots of assistant coaches run camps, and he’s not the only pedophile that has figured out coaching is a good way to keep a steady supply of victims.

    I forget what they did with the statue, but that was the best part of the whole aftermath. They had taken out the concrete pad and wall where it had been and were trying to grow grass there, but then realized that was too likely to draw attention and improvised shrines. So one night, they came in with sod and there was no evidence of where the statue had been at all.

  70. 70.

    dopey-o

    @lamh36:

    I don’t know why I’m so cynical though? My own failing I guess.

    Judging by the way the Ferguson and St. Louis County P.D.s are playing around with violating Missouri’s “Sunshine” law, I would say “Be as cynical as you want, but you can’t keep up with them.” (Lilly Tomlin)

    Very bad things are going to happen. McCullough is hoping to put off the day of reckoning until the winter weather is too cold for street demonstrations. If the Grand Jury gets ‘confused’ by the evidence and doesn’t ask for an indictment, or if charges are filed and a trial ensues – with all the ugly details revealed – very bad things are going to happen in St Louis County. If Darren Wilson pleads guilty to manslaughter and immediately goes to jail, we may avoid pain, suffering, fires, injuries, deaths, and mass arrests.

  71. 71.

    rb

    @Gex: there is a difference still in parenting according to a thought out plan on how you intend to parent and losing your shit in a rage and beating a kid.

    Of course. But I’m not talking about ‘parenting.’

    I’m talking about beating a child “according to a thought out plan.” As bad as losing control is (and it’s certainly looking like AP routinely does so), I can at least wrap my mind around the idea of a person being overcome with fury and snapping. It doesn’t mean he should ever be trusted around children again, but it’s at least within the realm of understanding as to how such a thing could happen.

    The whole “wait until you’re calm and then beat your screaming child” idea, on the other hand, feels as alien and unnatural as swallowing gasoline; just a diseased and terrifying concept.

    (And I agree AP seems to be using post-hoc justifications, which mean exactly nothing as far as I’m concerned.)

  72. 72.

    Corner Stone

    @Tommy: I’m not laughing, Tommy.
    My mom broke wooden spoons and other implements whipping my sister and I. My dad used his hand or a belt and we’d pray it was the leather belt because his hand was like a catchers mitt.

    It’s nothing to laugh about. Stopping to reflect that someone who was supposed to love you would use something intrinsically linked with childhood in a way to distill punishment is nothing to laugh about.

  73. 73.

    Violet

    @Corner Stone: I had to go home one time from my best friend’s house when I was around six years old because she had done something to earn a punishment. Her mom used the hairbrush. I remember her mom telling me to go home. It was a lonely walk home knowing what my friend had coming.

  74. 74.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @efgoldman: There is. there are looking into the overall behavior of all the police departments in the area. As a procedutal thing, they won’t interfere with the prosecution; they will give the locals the opportunity to conduct a thorough investigation and to prosecute. If they half -ass it, the DOJ has options.

  75. 75.

    Geeno

    My mother stopped hitting us when she threw a shoe at my brother, but ended up hitting me in the forehead when I was three and my brother 4 or 5. After that she informed my father who needed spanking, and he would dutifully do it – even though he wasn’t always clear about why.
    The 60’s were a wonderful time to be a child.

    As far as I’m concerned, Penn State deserved a total death penalty. NO SPORTS from PSU would be recognized by the NCAA. Not football, not swimming, not basketball, not women’s f-ing Tiddly Winks. No sports, at all, because this went up to (and beyond) the AD. PSU’s ability to do sports at all is in question, and the answer to that question looks like NO to me.

  76. 76.

    coin operated

    Hell, Penn State took notes from the Catholic Church. Look how long *that* institution has been around.

    Edited…spelling

  77. 77.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @Corner Stone:

    My mom broke wooden spoons and other implements whipping my sister and I. My dad used his hand or a belt and we’d pray it was the leather belt because his hand was like a catchers mitt.

    Was this kind of thing common? I can recall about a half dozen spankings during my childhood. They stand out because they were uncommon and came out of unusual circumstances. Mom spanked me once when I was about eight because I got caught shoplifting baseball cards – I didn’t collect the cards and the gum was terrible. I had been dared to do it and succeeded and then the adrenalin rush was kind of addictive. Then I got caught.

  78. 78.

    Dog On Porch

    @Eric U.:

    “I am still for the death penalty for football here at pedobear university (show us on the Nittany Lion doll where the coach touched you)…”

    On our planet’s Bizzaro World, you are the Attorney General of the United States.

  79. 79.

    Corner Stone

    @Violet: Eh. One day I turned on my mom and she broke something wooden on my upraised forearm. I laughed at her and could have stopped her from continuing but at that point I had already realized she couldn’t physically hurt me anymore. Just a mere annoyance.
    She didn’t really ever have much of a chance in her early years with us, as her mom was a HellBeast from the original pit.
    I never held it too tight against her. None of us had much of a choice.

  80. 80.

    askew

    @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name):

    I don’t think it was all that common. I got spanked maybe 3x in my childhood and it was for very bad stuff. I do remember my mother screaming at me and telling me she was going to put me in my room and I would yell child abuse as loud as I could the second she stepped close to me. Man, did that make my mom angry but she never hit me. She did tell me she’d dial 9-1-1 for me if I wanted to report her though.

    I also did the shoplifting thing as a kid. I took a piece of gum and was chewing it on the way home when I was caught. My mom drove me back to the store and made me spit the gum back into the wrapper and give it to the clerk and apologize. I never shoplifted again and still cringe in embarrassment when thinking about that experience.

  81. 81.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @askew: I meant common in CS’s household. I think most people born in the ’60s and early ’70s have the hand full of spankings experience the we both had.

  82. 82.

    Corner Stone

    @Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name): No, not really. Not all the time. My mom had a wicked fucking temper when we were young. She came from people who knew how to hate, and how to hold a grudge.
    My dad was just confused for a bunch of his early life while we were growing up. Super smart, never expected to do much by his family, and back from Vietnam by the time I was born.
    His dad died when I was young and that threw him completely overboard.
    I got kind of lucky (?) I guess in that I had two borderline genius parents from lower class family situations. We never had a fucking penny but they put something in us. I have a Phd and my sister a MSW.
    So, meh.

  83. 83.

    Gex

    Funny thing is, I had quit football several years ago. But I started working in the office again (had been working from home for a few years) and decided to join the office fantasy football league to be social. And it’s been miserable trying to manage my team when at best I don’t give a crap about what’s going on with the NFL and at worst, I hate it. Not making that mistake again next year. I quite liked not having to pay any attention to them.

  84. 84.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @Corner Stone: Since my mom was an elementary school teacher she knew how to control and discipline kids without violence, and my dad had had a poor relationship with his father (legacy of WWII and my grandfather being away from about the time my grandmother was 6 months pregnant until my da was about 3 y/o – they never really bonded), so my dad wanted to avoid that with his kids.

  87. 87.

    Corner Stone

    So funny. The Vikings absolutely have to re-suspend Adrian.
    They have no choice. What a bunch of fucking POS.

  90. 90.

    Suzanne

    I hit Spawn the Elder once by accident. She was about two or three, and I was carrying her on my shoulders, and she started to pull my hair. It hurt, and I reached up quickly to grab her hands to stop her from pulling my hair, and I accidentally smacked her. That was about eight years ago, and I still feel horrible about it.

    My mom hit me once by accident. Smacked me upside the head so hard I saw stars. Anyone that does anything like that to a kid on purpose is really monstrous.

  91. 91.

    Suzanne

    I am saddened but not surprised that Penn State got its punishment lifted. The point isn’t to punish the players. The point is to punish the administration and the fans, who still deserve punishment, for turning a blind eye to abuse as long as it made them money and scored them wins.

    To paraphrase Gandhi: I like your sports, but I do not like your sports fans.

  92. 92.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @Suzanne: Thank you for characterizing most of the parents who were just starting to digest Dr. Spock as monsters.

  93. 93.

    jayboat

    This thing with Radisson could be significant, no?

    The issue has dominated the news cycle for what seems a very long time now- pushing everything aside, including ebola, Scotland and a third beheading.

    Now, it’s become directly about the money, and we know the NFL is always, always, always about the money.

  94. 94.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    The boy’s mother texts to ask what happened to his head. “Hit his head on the Carseat,” Peterson replies. The mother asks if he means the boy got a “whoopin in the car,” and Peterson says yes, adding, “I felt so bad. But he did it his self.” He never directly answers her question about what the child was beaten with, but remarks, “Be still n take ya whooping he would have saved the scare [scar]. He aight.”

    He’s talking about a four year old boy. His four year old son. This was last month. He’s a sick fuck.

  100. 100.

    artem1s

    @Eric U.:

    thank you for that…

    It’s the coverup and the BS about current players having to pay the price. The abuse went on for another decade because some rich donor/trustee decided that the university couldn’t stand to have it’s FOOTBALL image suffer. The problem isn’t just the kids who were victimized then; it’s the kids who are being victimized as we speak all around the country at every level who are currently getting abused because of the BS that organized, team sports are what education is about. And the BS that educational institutions can’t exist without competitive sports. Rape, domestic violence, child abuse, concussions, homophobia, misogyny, gambling, murder, animal abuse, etc, on and on and on and on, covered up at every level of football.

    Ohio State fans reactions to Tressel’s resignation over trading jerseys for tats, shortly before the Penn State story broke…he got punished too much…look at what Penn did….My reaction, “what got covered up when Tressel resigned”? Was there an understanding so he wouldn’t have to face prosecution for something worse? and now that story will never be told. Or maybe they will get caught another decade out. Point shaving? Drug dealing? steroids? and how many more kids will have to run some gauntlet of criminal activity and risk their future, careers, family, health, lives for the glory of playing for alma mater?

    Bread and fucking circuses… Time to quit letting pro teams use college universities and high schools as farm clubs for multi-billion dollar industries.

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