Great piece in the CJR by David Uberti:
All politics is local, as the old saying goes. But if Monday’s Kentucky Senate debate is any indication, the same can’t be said of political media coverage.
Democratic candidate Alison Lundergan Grimes made national headlines during the debate for again declining to share how she voted in previous presidential elections. At the same time, however, the Washington press corps barely covered a claim by incumbent Sen. Mitch McConnell that Obamacare, unpopular in Kentucky, could be repealed without dismantling Kynect, the popular statewide healthcare exchange funded through the law. McConnell’s argument is not only factually questionable, at best, but also seems to be of much more potential consequence to the state’s voters. Monday’s debate was the only televised face-off scheduled before the November election, and the imbalanced coverage calls into question the national media’s role in one of the most closely watched Senate races in the country.
Grimes’ non-answer received headline treatment on Web stories at CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN. The Washington Post devoted an entire piece to the refusal, which led the Associated Press’ story, and Politico and National Journal both listed it as their top takeaway of the debate. Such stories either omitted McConnell’s claim or played it down relative to Grimes’ comment. FoxNews.com mentioned only the latter, meanwhile, and The Wall Street Journal left McConnell’s statement as its story’s kicker, unchallenged.
Our media is failing us on a daily basis, particularly our political press (although the financial press is a close runner-up. There was an interesting interview with Matt Bai on TDS last night that discussed how functionally there is no difference between the writers at the Fix, Politico, etc., and TMZ:
It’s depressing.
Oh, btw- Taegan Goddard still won’t explain how his bullshit rending of garments about the Davis ad was just him saying it was “not effective.”
schrodinger's cat
MSM sucks, but your avatar with Tunch rocks! I miss that big floofy kitteh!
Baud
Yep. Grimes’s answer is a political tactic (whether a good or bad one is open to debate). McConnell essentially lied about an issue of policy. His was clearly the more scandalous crime.
schrodinger's cat
@Baud: According to our MSM betters, being a Republican means never having to say that you are sorry.
Botsplainer
Teagan who? I thought she was a pornstar…
BGinCHI
Mitch lied, no consequences.
Grimes refused to throw red meat to a red state population who have a problem with people of color.
Massive consquences.
Fuck you Chuck Todd. The worse thing is he knows what he did.
Roger Moore
If people in the media are going to give that kind of BS excuse for their statements, it shouldn’t be a big surprise that they accept equally nonsensical statements from politicians.
HR Progressive
This is pants-shittingly stupefying.
I’ll go so far as to say yes, it is a fair question to ask – even more than once – a candidate for Federal office if they voted for someone who shares their party ID. I also think it’s fair for said candidate to essentially tell said questioners to fuck off, in a more polite manner.
But to completely ignore, gloss over, or otherwise downplay Mitch McConnell’s literally doesn’t-make-any-fucking-sense statements in order to play up Grimes’ non-answers on “DID YOU VOTE FOR THAT DAMN SOCIALIST OBUMMER??!”
Everyone should have their press credentials revoked. That’s not informing the public, it is propaganda, pure and simple.
Botsplainer
@BGinCHI:
The joke is on Chuckles. He’s so irrelevant to the average Kentucky voter that the commercial with his clip will change precisely zero votes. Of the 3% of the Kentucky electorate that has any inkling who he is, the wingnuts will hoot in derision and say “time you learned, pal” while the liberals/progressives hoot in derision and say “fuck you, you corporatist tool”.
The “both sides” centrists among the 3% will lick their thumbs, hold them up to the TV to feel the blast of hot air coming from Todd’s mouth, then, properly warmed (but unpersuaded), shove them up their own asses for an inspiration on how to vote.
Your tears taste delicious
Leftists blaming the national American media for conservative bias is the state of delusion that comes before “depression” and “acceptance.”
It’s all over now, Baby Blue.
Iowa Old Lady
This is like Braley saying the judiciary committee shouldn’t be chaired by a farmer and Ernst saying there should be no federal minimum wage and sponsoring a personhood bill. Which one matters?
WereBear
Chuckles told us he’s not obligated to, you know, be a journalist. That’s not his job.
Hal
Wait wait wait. Obamacare is unpopular, but the exchange that enables people to buy insurance via Obamacare is not? They are different sides of the same coin.
Also, how about the media asking McConnel how he is going to dismantle Obamacare without the President’s signature? This is Romney’s “repeal on day one” nonsense all over again.
PS: I get that this is Kentucky, but Grimes couldn’t have just answered the damn question and moved on? She is partly responsible for making this a thing.
Frankensteinbeck
One mistake hinged on style and campaigning tactics. One mistake hinged on honesty, facts, and the effect of legislation on human beings. National journalists only care about one of those things, and we already knew it.
It is sad and disgusting, I’ll grant you that.
EDIT – @Hal:
One of these things has helped them. One of these things is the work of an uppity black man who scares them. All they have to do is not accept that they’re the same thing, and there’s no conflict. Usually they don’t even do that. The human brain has to work extra to connect those two facts, not to separate them. Staring at you blankly is a perfect defense for their prejudices.
EDIT EDIT – @Hal:
This state is a cesspool of racism and hate. All McConnell needs is a clip of her saying anything positive about Obama, and he can produce a visceral storm of disgust in even nominally Democratic voters. Yes, it’s really like that.
JPL
So the local news had an ask the vet about dogs and ebola. Someone wanted to know how to be assured that if they adopted a pet, the animal wouldn’t have ebola. I live in the Atlanta area and now there are folks who won’t adopt animals cuz of ebola.
If there is a peak wingnut can it please happen soon.
Tenar Darell
@Iowa Old Lady: Ow, ow, ouch! I’m getting a dent in my desk, dagnabit! Too many more of these, and I should be able to sue the media!
(I joke, but not much….sigh).
p.a.
Assuming the facts will come out, what would be the least damaging for her electorally? No/no? No/yes etc?
JPL
@Iowa Old Lady: Well she does castrate pigs so that counts for something. Poor Wilbur!
tybee
@JPL:
the reason is that we live in deepest, darkest dumbfuckistan. the only worse places are just south, west and north of us.
Botsplainer
Jeff Greenfield tweeted some JFK quote on civility. Todd retweeted it.
Twitter is now ramming that tweet up both their asses.
NotMax
Manufactured controversy beats out substantive controversy in the MSM every time.
Felanius Kootea
The mainstream media are sociopath-enablers. Seriously.
JDM
McConnell’s argument is not “factually questionable”; it’s impossible. It’s a lie, a really big lie, and one that affects the vast majority of those people eligible to vote for or against him.
burnspbesq
Oh, for fuck’s sake.
http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/5th-CA-ruling-on-voting-rights-10-14-14.pdf
JPL
@tybee: Is there a safe place? I am really concerned about the direction we are going.
My thinking includes the new Senate getting rid of the education dept.. and Obama saying okay, getting rid of the EPA and Obama saying okay, getting rid of the health care act and Obama saying okay….. Let the crazies run the country for awhile and see what happens. I don’t have a lot of money but I could survive. Does anyone else feel like me?
Elizabelle
@Your tears taste delicious:
You may turn up on Election Night, or the day after, and gloat.
I suspect you’re premature. I do not trust pollsters’ “likely voter” screens. GOP voter suppression efforts have probably motivated some voters to tune in more carefully.
It will all come down to turnout.
Patrick
@BGinCHI:
If Todd thinks Grimes disqualified herself for not saying who she voted for, then why didn’t he think McConnell disqualified himself when he said the goal of the GOP was to make the President of the United States a one-term President? In other words, he wanted our president to fail. How in the world does that not disqualify McConnell?
Elizabelle
@JDM:
Yeah, I don’t see McConnell getting away with the Kynect/Obamacare doubletalk.
It’s just percolating more slowly.
Villago Delenda Est
My nym, again and again.
Nuke the Village from space. Only way to be sure.
JPL
@JDM: He said they could keep the website which they could.
Villago Delenda Est
@Patrick: Well, Obama is blah. That explains a great many things as far as the attitude of the Villagers.
Elizabelle
@JPL:
Come on guys and gals. Buck up.
All the GOP has is fear and bad policy to sell. The media is hardwired for Republicans.
If you feel nervous and dispirited, you are meant to.
Villago Delenda Est
@Your tears taste delicious: What is it like viewing the world from inside your intestines? You would seem to be the go-to guy for a question like this.
JPL
@Your tears taste delicious: So you would rather our country’s air quality look like China.
So you would like our wage to be on the same level as those in third world countries with children doing most of the work.
So you would like our country to fascist. Yup..
We don’t need food safety because I have a garden.
Good luck to you.
‘Oh btw the pharmas will come up with a ebola treatment when they can make money off of jerks like you.
burnspbesq
G-d Fifth Circuit completely ignores what is supposed to be the most important factor in deciding whether to stay a lower-court judgment pending appeal. What about probable success, you fuck-brains?
OzarkHillbilly
@HR Progressive:
Why pray tell, do they have to be polite? How I voted is nobodies business but my own. If I choose to share what I did in the voting booth, fine. If I do not, I get to say to the prying MF’ers, go to Hell in a handbag any way I want. Fwck being polite, if they were polite they wouldn’t ask.
JPL
@Elizabelle: I know you are right but when the President gets no credit for the economy, it’s easy to get discouraged. After all Mitt thought he might get unemployment down to six percent after four years. I just want democrats to runs as democrats.
SatanicPanic
@Villago Delenda Est: Oh is this a VICTORY! guy? awesome! Those guys are never wrong ya know
Roger Moore
@Patrick:
Because Todd agrees with him. SATSQ.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Patrick: Chuckles the Toddler was on of the lead proponents of the mini-meme of the spring/summer of ’13 (I think it was) that the problem with gridlock was that Obama hadn’t reached out to GOP leaders, McConnell in particular. The nonsense started with Grampa Woodward, who cited as his authority of all people, Newt Gingrich, of the apparently forgotten GOPAC memo and the more recent “food stamp president”. No mention was made McConnell’s “number one goal”, or of the story that even shocked me with my general contempt for the whole concept of “comity”, that McConnell and Boehner didn’t take Obama’s phone calls on election night.
SatanicPanic
What does it matter who she voted for anyway? It’s not like senators get extra votes in elections. I mean, us poor Democrats do, because we all vote like 100 times each, but it’s not like senators get anything extra. We try to be fair that way.
OzarkHillbilly
@Your tears taste delicious: I wonder how much gloating you are going to do come the first Wednesday in November 2016. Hell, you can’t even wait for the first Wednesday in November 2014. How long has it been for you? How long will it be for you again?
tybee
@JPL:
look how close the guvna’s race and the senate race are.
demographics and time are against the RWNJ.
peak dipshit was 2010 and it is all down hill for them from here on out.
one must be patient and one must vote.
i saw almost no Obama signs in 08 or 12 out here in deepest darkest suburbia but i see lots of Nunn signs this time around. don’t see any Shady, perdue or Carter signs.
we’re getting there although it is not fast enough to suit me.
burnspbesq
And then there’s this. When Notorious RBG gets into a threesome with Fat Tony and Creepy Clarence, you know there is some strange shit going on. Cole is going to be outraged when he reads this, and he will be absolutely correct. Taking a count in the indictment on which the jury acquitted the defendants into effect in sentencing them on the stuff for which they were convicted is … struggling to find the right word … monstrous.
http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Jones_denial.pdf
hirammcgilicutty
@Your tears taste delicious: HAHA! You said ‘leftists’, you dopey dude. #WhackadoodleNationRising
MomSense
It is exhausting trying to counter the damage done by our media. I’m a political grunt. I’m one of those people who will show up to make phone calls or canvass so I think I have a pretty good sense of what drips through the media filter.
People are not just uninformed, they are misinformed and it is incredibly difficult to try and present a truthful alternative to what passes for “news”.
Baud
I got a news alert that the Supreme Court has stayed the Texas abortion law.
Roger Moore
@burnspbesq:
Is it normal for the judges supporting a writ of certiorari to write a dissent when the writ is denied?
Baud
Annoy the media. Vote Grimes.
Turgidson
@WereBear:
And he was soon promoted to a more prestigious job, where he can have an even higher profile from which continue to avoid all that “not his job” unpleasantness and just let GOP liars and demagogues say whatever the fuck they want unchallenged. Sounds about right.
kuvasz
Grimes choked. She should have said,
“I have two secrets, who I vote for and why my shower massager is named Steve.”
raven
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Tuesday blocked key parts of a 2013 law in Texas that had closed all but eight facilities providing abortions in America’s second most-populous state.
In an unsigned order, the justices sided with abortion rights advocates and health care providers in suspending an Oct. 2 ruling by a panel of the New Orleans-based U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that Texas could immediately apply a rule making abortion clinics statewide spend millions of dollars on hospital-level upgrades.
OzarkHillbilly
@kuvasz: Heh.
Baud
@Roger Moore:
It’s not unusual.
Turgidson
@BGinCHI:
And he may very well have done it on purpose so as to ensure that the Village’s precious “GOPers are taking the Senate, bitchezzz!” narrative can endure and prove correct. Grimes was showing some resiliency and making Mitchy-poo nervous. Can’t have that.
The media’s thumb is on the scale for the GOP this election to an extent that rivals their “smear Gore for sport” 2000 performance and “sit on news that would make Bush look bad while allowing his goons to smear a war hero” 2004 non-performance.
mdblanche
@Your tears taste delicious: I see DougJ hasn’t abandoned us completely.
Elizabelle
@MomSense:
Yup. Because the misinformation suits the top 5%.
Never watch NBC Nightly News, but had it on and it was on Kentucky Senate race and how unpopular Obama is — that was mentioned at least 3 times, in roundup on various Senate races.
Unpopular, unpopular, unpopular. In some cases because he’s sticking up for the middle/working class, in some cases because he does not go far enough. They never get to why he’s unpopular. Just take their word for it.
Elizabelle
@mdblanche:
I was wondering about that myself.
burnspbesq
@Roger Moore:
It’s actually pretty unusual.
I’d be surprised if those three Justices ended up on the same side if the Court were to reach the merits of the issue, but it was chicken bleep cowardly to duck the issue.
VidaLoca
Yes, she is.
Here’s what I don’t get about these blue-dog, centerist-to-conservative Democrats: they’re always sucking up to the most racist and reactionary elements in whatever constituency it is they are running to represent. They suck up to these rednecks because they’re scared of them. And the more scared they are, the more they suck up.
And it gets them nothing. No respect from the rednecks who wouldn’t vote for them anyhow. No respect from the progressive elements in the constituency in general and people of color in particular who can see a sellout coming a mile away. No respect from anyone else either: who respects a coward and a suckup? And then why even bother to show up to vote?
How is this a plan to win? How is it even a plan to tie?
It’s not like a shitty, mealy-mouthed answer is the only one available. She could have said, “Fuck yeah I voted for Obama. Remember who was running against him? Mitt Romney, that’s who. Mr. 47% of the county are slackers, that’s who. That’s who McConnell voted for and I’m glad I didn’t stand for it”. Turn the question around. Make it a class issue and beat McConnell like a rented mule with it.
That question was a big fat hanging curve-ball over the middle of the plate and ALG whiffed.
No doubt the media sucks but they aren’t the main party at fault here.
WereBear
@JPL: What, the domain name?
Massive planet of Uranus, that man.
Elizabelle
@Turgidson:
I’m seeing it too. It’s desperate.
Talk to women and minorities and any and all persuadable folks and get them out to vote. A vote trumps a scream and a lie any time.
satby
@Your tears taste delicious: Hi Doug.
raven
Giants win or a throwing error.
OzarkHillbilly
@VidaLoca: Claire McCaskill
HR Progressive
@OzarkHillbilly: I simply meant that no political candidate is going to say “Well, you know, you can fuck off with that question right there” during a televised debate.
Even if they want to.
“Polite” simply means “Not dropping fuck-bombs on live television”.
SiubhanDuinne
@WereBear:
I vaguely remember that, but not the context or specific quote. Can you remind me, please?
Elizabelle
Gary Hart’s letter to the Denver Post, castigating them for endorsing Tea Partier Cory Gardner over Mark Udall:
Turgidson
@Elizabelle:
And of course, the effect of saying “Obama unpopular” on a continuous loop (and the point of it, to many perpetuating it) is to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. I admit I’m fond of the guy and may be selectively remembering, but it sure seems like Obama’s supposedly awful, horrible no good approval ratings are a much, much bigger story for the media than Bush’s even worse numbers were leading up to the 2006 election. Fact is, Obama’s approval ratings have been more or less stable for quite some time now. Approval on foreign policy has fallen, but overall he’s been in the low 40s. Low, yes, but not dramatically low or much changed. Yet, discussion of his approval ratings often includes the words “plummeting,” “falling” “dropping” etc. Even liberal-leaning commentators throw that in there far often than they ought to – particularly Sargent at the Plum Line.
In 2006, the media basically shrugged off any idea that the Democrats might actually take back either house of Congress and only grudgingly acknowledged they were poised to pick up seats. And they were bashed for not having an agenda (which they did). This year, the default assumption all along has been that it’s going to be a terrible year for Democrats, maybe even a GOP wave. Evidence to the contrary has been ignored or dismissed. And the GOP’s complete lack of an agenda, which they have even admitted to, matters not.
Meteor time.
Tenar Darell
@Elizabelle: @MomSense: Good cardio: power walking in the morning, I’m listening to the New Yorker podcast The Political Scene From last week. I hear that Orman being 10 points up in Kansas is “a real horse race,” and I snarl out loud and walk faster.
BBA
This is the Village, sir. When the derp becomes fact, print the derp.
JPL
@tybee: My son lives in Sandy Springs and on his street there were two Nunn signs, so that is good. I just want her to stand up to Perdue and his ad. It’s not regulations that made Pillowtex and Reebok to move overseas. It was cheap labor which included children stuffing pillows. Fight the regulations not the outsourcing. imo
Elizabelle
@Tenar Darell:
That’s it. Walk faster and vote harder.
Orman up by 10: horse race.
Ernst up by 2, margin of error is 4: GOP winning Iowa in a blowout.
Uh, maybe not.
I think Colorado will stay blue too. It’s telling that rightwingers are calling the incumbent “Mark Uterus.” I don’t know that would bother me too much, being a woman.
It’s more female-friendly than Virginia’s (awaiting sentencing) Transvaginal Bob McDonnell!
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: Figures. I really don’t think the Cards have it this year. They were lucky the Dodgers only have 2 and a half pitchers. They will be really lucky if they can get thru the NLCS without Wainwright or Molina. I just don’t see it.
burnspbesq
Per SCOTUSBlog, the private plaintiffs plan to ask the Supremes to vacate the stay in the Texas voter ID case. No word yet on what DOJ plans to do.
WereBear
@SiubhanDuinne: It’s all here:
Chuck Todd: It’s Not Media’s Job To Correct GOP’s Obamacare Falsehoods
MomSense
@Tenar Darell:
Ha! I do cardio as well and it can do wonders for the psyche.
Mr. Twister
Chuck says he’s upset that Yertle is now using his “disqualification” of Grimes in a new ad.
SiubhanDuinne
@WereBear:
Ah, thanks for the link. It all comes back to me now, sadly.
Turgidson
@Elizabelle:
Not much I can do on the ground in bluest-of-blue SF bay area, but I’m donating what I can afford to the races I think we can win with just a little more juice and will try to carve out some phonebanking time the next couple weekends. I’ll remind my acquaintances who live in the important states (and lean left/Democratic) to vote, but that’s only a few people in Colorado and New Orleans.
Omnes Omnibus
@Turgidson: Any effort helps.
ETA: Not being snarky. Any and all effort really does help.
Elizabelle
@Mr. Twister:
@WereBear:
Yeah, that’s what’s so spectacular. This current story on the sidebar near WereBear’s 2013 link:
Chuck Todd Doesn’t Like Being Featured In McConnell Ad: It’s ‘Cheap’
“McConnell has hidden himself from questions for months.” Does he have to hide himself very hard, with inquiring minds like your own helming network shows?
Cheap is right.
Turgidson
@Mr. Twister:
Suuuure he is. He can make it up to himself (and the rest of us) by going on a nice ad-length rant about all the bullshit McConnell has said and done to disqualify himself. (Of course, such a rant about Mitch could easily stretch to 20 minutes if it tried to be comprehensive, but that wouldn’t fit in a political ad.)
Somehow I doubt he’ll be doing that. Asshole.
Turgidson
@Elizabelle:
Todd: “And McConnell has hidden himself from questions for months.”
Say, Chuck… I hear that you have some sort of job. A job where you get to speak to politicians on television…you know, ask them questions and such in front of a national audience. Maybe you could, I dunno, perform the duties of this job and ask McConnell these questions he’s hidden himself from?
Just a suggestion.
PS Fuck you, you hack.
Edit: PPS your analysis is fucking terrible and you should consider taking it back, moron.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
A little late to think of that, Fuck Chodd.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: yup..
Felanius Kootea
@VidaLoca: This. Lundergan Grimes makes me want to puke. Voters who want to vote for the Republican will vote for the Republican every time, not the Democrat pretending to be a Republican and running away from the values of her party.
El Caganer
Nothing at all surprising here. Our national media are courtiers for the 1%, not water-carriers for the rest of us schlubs.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: I haven’t sent Nunn any money because I don’t think she can win unless she attacks his “regulations caused me to me to outsource” bull.
Companies outsource for child labor and cheap labor and we as a nation don’t care.
WaterGirl
@Elizabelle: Hmm, something reminds me of VICTORY!!!
James E. Powell
You all didn’t think that the powerful people who run this country were just going to sit there and let some woman beat their guy Mitch, did you? Please. If it hadn’t been this, it would have been some other thing.
Who does Chuck Todd serve? Not Americans. They would never hire a clown like that for anything. He serves his bosses and his bosses serve the people who run this country.
Elizabelle
@Felanius Kootea: I would love to see Grimes pull off an upset. I don’t like the Obama-bashing, and I wonder if she would have done better speaking more frankly about Kynect, which Kentucky would not have were it left to McConnell.
Suspect Obama is fine with anything she says if it helps to get her elected and voting for Harry Reid.
WaterGirl
@SatanicPanic: The comment I just posted was before I read your comment. I guess that’s two votes for VICTORY!!!
JPL
@Elizabelle: In 2010 democratic candidates ran against Obama and lost. In 2012 Obama won and the moral of the story is they will lose.
Elizabelle
@JPL:
I want to see a lot of journalists and pundits with egg on their face, and I want us to be angry and call them to account.
They give away their credibility way too cheaply.
lamh36
Even though I know it shouldn’t be “THE” issue it is, I just don’t know that the minorities in Kentucky will like the idea that candidate running for the Dem ticket isn’t willing to say she voted for Dem President who they still hold in high regard.
So Grimes may have ruined her chances with some minority voters already?
We’ll find out though.
Obama of course won’t campaign there, but I don’t see that Michelle is either. Michelle O has been the go to campaigner for Dem candidates who don’t seem to want to be seen with the President.
On Thursday, the President will be on a big national urban radio show, The Ricky Smiley Morning Show to talk about the midterms and other things. I believe that RSMS is heard in parts of Kentucky, so maybe this can be seen as a run around of having to actual campaign there. He can get to the minority vote without having to step foot in the state.
I guess since she calls herself a “Clinton Democrat” she could get the Clintons back to campaign again, but what people are not realizing is that the Clintons don’t have the same pull with minority voters, particularly Black voters they once had. I mean the Clintons still get big numbers, but I just don’t think Clintons telling folk to GOTV really motivates them more than Obama saying the same.
Elizabelle
@SiubhanDuinne:
He is so inadequate as MTP host and as White House correspondent. Conventional wisdom purveyor.
Corner Stone
@lamh36:
How does this jibe with the first part of your comment?
VidaLoca
@Felanius Kootea:
@Elizabelle:
How does she get voters to believe that she’ll stand up for them when she won’t even stand up for herself? I’m not trying to be a purist here, for example I can get that she doesn’t want to be bashing the coal companies and talking about green energy, etc. etc. I get that. But this just seems like such basic “which side are you on?” stuff.
Elizabelle
@lamh36:
I wonder that myself, but, being from Kentucky, maybe they realize it’s politics and she supports women’s issues, gay marriage, and will be a good vote for a lot of Democratic policies.
SiubhanDuinne
@JPL:
I certainly wish that Michelle Nunn were much more forceful against that piece of slime David Perdue. But, as I and others have noted here, in Georgia we don’t have the luxury of an Elizabeth Warren. She is squishy on a lot of issues that are important to me, but the only way she can win in this state right now is to be as unthreatening as possible. She has a D after her name, and right now that’s what’s driving me.
(I did a stint of poll-watching in Lawrenceville today. We were under a tornado watch for a very long time, with announcements that everyone in the building — staff, volunteers, voters — would be moved to a shelter the minute the sirens started. Fortunately, they didn’t.)
Corner Stone
God in His Heaven. I’m tired of people nominally on my side wetting their fucking panties about ALG not giving the other side exactly what they wanted.
Luthe
Hey Cole, you got any opinions on this? It’s only your state, after all.
Omnes Omnibus
@VidaLoca: If she says she voted for Obama, the GOP will flood KY with ads tying her tightly to Obama – thereby turning off potential voters who just don’t like the man for no reason that they can really state except that he is somehow a bit different from previous presidents. Are these people racist? Yes. Can she win in KY without their votes? I doubt it.* If she says she didn’t vote for Obama, her support in her own party tanks. My guess is that she voted for him, but would prefer not to be too closely tied to him in her particular state.
*It sucks that this is case, but so it appears to be.
Corner Stone
Fuck Kthug. He’s nothing but a damn disgraceful Obamabot. He’s dead to me.
schrodinger's cat
@lamh36: A lot of us (black and otherwise) have not forgotten Hill and Bill’s race baiting primary performance in the 2008 cycle.
@Elizabelle: Its not our fault that he pimped himself to be GOP’s bitch, is it now?
PsiFighter37
Chuck Todd can eat a bag of salted dicks. Asshole probably watches the ad with him in it on repeat, given the stupid know-it-all narcissist that he is.
JPL
r@SiubhanDuinne: She is running ads against outsourcing and he is running ads saying I had to cuz of regulations. What regulations, child labor, minimum wage, pollution… She could win this if she challenged him. She is so concerned about being tied to Obama that she is not standing up for America. imo
I really think Michelle Nunn could win if she would run ads that what makes a great nation.
lamh36
Turgidson
@JPL:
I’m no expert in Georgia politics, but Nunn may be keeping it simple by just having ads featuring the “I’m proud of my outsourcing record” quote rather than getting into the details in a tit-for-tat with Perdue.
To turn around a cliche that is usually used to mock Democratic campaign tactics, if you’re explaining you’re losing. Perdue is stuck explaining why he outsourced. He should take on some water even if he has a lucid explanation for it.
WaterGirl
@lamh36:
I find that totally depressing.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Sadly, I find it unsurprising.
JPL
@Turgidson: The reason I disagree is that Mitt was attacked on outsourcing and he won in this state. One ad showing child labor would be more effective, imo. The south has been told that unions and regulations caused outsourcing but an ad with children stuffing pillows would help. Of course MSM would faint.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Clearly I need to revise downward my opinion of the average person. Again.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Eh, we are all a mixed bag.
WaterGirl
Maybe I’m as bad as the unskewed polls people, but I think we will keep the senate and I think most of the polls are worthless.
I guess I’ll be the one rocking in the corner if the polling is correct and we end up losing the senate.
VidaLoca
Well, my hypothesis is that if she’s going to win, she’ll have to win without their votes because they won’t vote for her under any circumstances. So she’s willing to risk sacrificing the support of people who do respect her, to earn the support of people who don’t and won’t. She’s trying to triangulate her way to success.
Which is what the white centrist Democrats across the South and border states always seem to be doing. Sometimes they succeed — look at Bill Clinton. Yet, that’s also the part of the county where the Democrats are weakest. On average this looks to me like doing the same thing over and over again, hoping for a different outcome.
trnc
“PS: I get that this is Kentucky, but Grimes couldn’t have just answered the damn question and moved on? She is partly responsible for making this a thing.”
@Hal: Nobody is under any obligation to answer that question – it’s supposed to be a secret ballot, and there is no exclusion for politicians.
SiubhanDuinne
@JPL:
I get what you’re saying, and I completely wish things were other than they are — but her job as a campaigner is not to “stand up for America” per se, it is to win 50% + 1 of Georgia voters between now and November 4th. I don’t mean to defend her mindlessly. As I have said often, she’s far from my ideal candidate, and the campaign she’s running is too safe and cautious by half. But I would still rather work my butt off (and give $) for her D than concede by default to another loathesome R.
SiubhanDuinne
@Turgidson:
Yup, this.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Seeing what happens to scary black boys in hoodies who are carrying skittles and to young men who put their hands up in the air has really gotten me down.
It’s not like i thought the world was all rosy before that, but geez, in what world does “hands up in the air” mean shoot to kill rather than surrender.
Turgidson
@JPL:
True, you may be right. But Obama didn’t seriously contest the state and Nunn is the daughter of a well-liked former senator. And Georgia’s unemployment rate is worst in the state. Hopefully the outsourcing attack has some resonance – Nunn needs something to get her across the finish line.
PsiFighter37
@WaterGirl: You’re not the only one – I think we’ll hold the Senate. We’re going to lose WV, MT, and likely SD (I don’t think Weiland is a good enough candidate to ride the EB-5 issues to victory) and possibly AR, but I think we hold onto AK, NC, IA, CO, MI, and we will pick up (because Orman will caucus with the majority) KS. Landrieu wins the runoff in December because she’s done this before, and because the GOP will be deflated by already having blown a chance at picking up the majority.
And if we get really lucky, Nunn wins and gives us 53 seats. If you pointed a gun at my head and asked me how the vote turns out, I believe the Senate comes out 49 D, 48 R, and 3 I – with all 3 independents caucusing with us.
schrodinger's cat
Was the MSM always this bad, or is that a new development? It seems to me that CNN has really gone downhill since Ted Turner left.
Debbie
Pretty nervy of McConnell to be asking for this information, maybe even more intrusive than the NSA.
Corner Stone
@WaterGirl:
Now we’re getting somewhere!
WaterGirl
@Corner Stone: My mom taught me very early on that if a boy said something I didn’t understand, the answer is always “NO”.
So my answer to your comment is NO.
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodinger’s cat:
He has been, for Ted, amazingly circumspect about sharing his views publicly. But I’d bet a lot that he is just disgusted with the monster his baby has become.
Elizabelle
@WaterGirl:
I do too. And I don’t see any “we’re so confident we barely need to vote” triumphalism from the GOP and their media mouthpieces. They’re uneasy too.
The GOP is crazy and has ugly policies. They’re shrieking Ebola! and ISIS!, but I don’t know that their hoped for “security moms” are going to come through for them.
And single women and those still suffering through the jobless recession cannot chance the GOP in power. We need a functioning government and people-friendly, realistic policies.
I hope young people turn out in droves. They’re kind of screwed, with the economy we’re giving them, and with student debt.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: You’d have to give pretty long odds in order to get any sentient being to take that bet.
Plantsmantx
@Frankensteinbeck:
And needless to say, none of those media outlets identified this as the reason she felt she couldn’t say she voted for her own party’s Presidential candidate.
Turgidson
@PsiFighter37:
You’re more optimistic than I at this point. A month or two ago I would have agreed with this and even thought Grimes was more likely than not to win her race, but the races have all turned sour and the media seems doggedly determined to push the GOP over the finish line now that election day is getting closer. The coverage of the Iowa race especially, and AR, and CO (and now KY) to a lesser but still significant extent, is so tilted towards propping up the GOPer that it almost seems stranger than fiction. Ernst, Cotton and Gardner are certified loons and the fact that all three are currently ahead is a sick, twisted and entirely unfunny joke.
I’m still holding out hope that the Dems’ massive investment in turnout will come through, but I’m not gonna go the “unskew the polls” route to comfort myself either.
Corner Stone
@WaterGirl: So you’re not sure if we’re going to keep the Senate?
WaterGirl
@Corner Stone: No, I just didn’t understand your “now we’re getting somewhere” comment.
Keith G
@lamh36:
But it’s more than that. It’s the stupidity of being too cute by half. Grimes is running against a powerful incumbent, so in most cases the wind is in her face. She gets no passes. No mulligans.
I want her to win, but her not being with it enough to say, “Sure I voted for him. There are folks in Kentucky who would not agree, but he has helped a lot of folks in Kentucky…..a lot of folks who would still be hurting if Sen. McConnell had his way” is just silly.
It’s not that fucking hard. If one can’t pull that off, maybe the Senate is a bridge too far.
Violet
I didn’t see the debate. Did Grimes answer by saying she was proud to live in the United States of America where ballots were secret and no one had to reveal their votes? That the privacy of a citizen’s vote is a key component of our democracy and she was offended that people were asking her to violate that precious right?
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
True dat.
Corner Stone
@Keith G:
This is too simplistic by half. What fucking state do you live in, again?
Mike in NC
@Elizabelle: Why is Chuck Todd bothered? After all he isn’t a “journalist”. More like a “media personality” who dabbles in stenography as a hobby.
Corner Stone
There are a bunch of purity trolls up in this piece. Get back to me when your pure candidate registers to run for office.
Keith G
@Corner Stone: I contest that remark.
Tommy
@Violet: It is just a question. I am not saying it is right nor should it be addressed, but just a given. That she couldn’t handle it, tells me much about her campaign. Not all good,
SteveGravelle
“Our media is failing us?” “scuse me, but enough of this bullshit. It’s not “our” media, it’s owned by the same people who own this country. And dipshit loser Dems have had what, 30 years to figure this out but they’re either too stupid, too bought, and/or too chickenshit to call them on it. Grimes is some combination of stupid, bought, and chickenshit, so f**k her and her campaign. Yeah, she’d be marginally better than McConnell, but not enough to make a difference.
tybee
@SteveGravelle:
purity indeed
Corner Stone
@Tommy: Oh, no! Alison Grimes has lost IL region Tommy voters!
She’s doomed. Doomed, I tell you!
Turgidson
@Corner Stone:
I think it’s fair – quite possibly mistaken, but fair – to wonder if Grimes caused herself more trouble going this route than she would have if she’d just answered the question up front, but with caveats about all the ways she disagrees with Obama and how she would oppose his war on coal, yadda yadda. I get that she wanted to avoid the inevitable ad, but how many people does she think she’s fooling? People will assume she voted for Obama anyway. She was a delegate at the convention.
I mean, she avoided having “I voted for Obama” in an attack ad, and instead has the host of Meet the Press in an ad saying she disqualified herself, as well as several days of mocking coverage.
I honestly don’t know which is worse. The campaign, and you, seem pretty certain that the latter is less bad than the former. I hope they/you are right.
Corner Stone
@SteveGravelle:
I hope whatever breathing machine you’re strapped into isn’t powered by clean coal. Because saying stuff like this indicates you’re too stupid to breathe on your own when it fails.
Corner Stone
@Turgidson: You should notice that Mitch had to use a sound byte from Chuck Todd against ALG instead of her own voice in a commercial. She denied turtle the easy BS, so the MSM and a bunch of panty wetters have taken it upon themselves to make the case against her.
Tommy
@Corner Stone: I am not against the lady. Gave money to her campaign. I just think she is dumb for not saying who she voted for.
Violet
@Tommy: Really? And how many other candidates are asked that question? All of them, Katie? All of them? No. It’s like President Obama and the birth certificate. Or his college transcripts. No one else is asked that question. It’s a stupid question. Sure she should have been prepared for it and it sounds like she didn’t have a great answer but you are supporting the premise. I do not. I don’t think anyone should be asked who they voted for nor should they be asked to divulge it. I’m even against exit polls. It’s a secret ballot.
Tommy
@Violet: I am pretty sure everybody is asked that question. Pretty basic question. Who did you vote for?
Omnes Omnibus
@Tommy: Link?
ETA: I think that the presumption is that Ds vote D and Rs vote R. The question was asked for a reason. What do you think that reason might be?
ETAA: I have been following politics for more than 30 years and I don’t recall many instances of the question being asked.
Tommy
@Omnes Omnibus: For what?
Keith G
@Turgidson: Considering she was a delegate to Obama’s nominating conventions in 2008 and 2012, she seems like a total lightweight for not being to stand her ground. She lost more than she won. She somehow may recover, but she still came off in that exchange as bit of non-serious fluff.
Turgidson
@Corner Stone: yeah, I noticed. Just not sure it nets out in her favor. It sounds like the beltway villager twits are making a bigger deal of it than local media, however. That’s good if true.
Omnes Omnibus
@Tommy:
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith G:
No. She refused to give the GOP a soundbyte for ads.
Violet
@Tommy: Seriously? Can you give one example other than this one? You are “pretty sure”? Cite your sources, please.
Violet
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yeah, me either. Politicians aren’t asked that question. They may bring it up themselves from time to time for whatever reason–like Republicans like to boast about “casting their first vote for Reagan!” or whatever. But in a “gotcha” context, which this is, I don’t ever remember it being asked and certainly not during a debate.
Keith G
@Omnes Omnibus: I bet she still lost more than she won.
There is only a small slice of voters at this point that she can access to make her case. They all know how she voted. What they do not know is if she is the kind of person that they care to drag their ass off the sofa and vote for themselves. She won no hearts or minds with that exchange.
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith G: We’ll have to agree to differ on it. I think the answer was playing defense. She was trying to avoid losing tentative pro-ALG votes rather than picking up new ones.
Keith G
@Violet: She was serving up the McConnell campaign a chance for a wonderful get.
She was running away from Obama with dizzying speed – running away from a person whose politics she had been deeply associated with. The McConnell campaign would be committing malpractice not to bring this up in a debate and try to see how many pretzels she twisted herself into.
She complied.
If you were not a Democrat, it was a thing of beauty.
Keith G
@Omnes Omnibus: Was it Bum Phillips?
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith G: Playing prevent, sure. That doesn’t mean one doesn’t play defense. Don’t hand them the soundbyte that they want; it isn’t complicated.
Keith G
@Keith G: And btw I am suggesting that the McConnell campaign did all they could to “hope” that such a question would be asked by reporters who also love to see candidates twist in the wind.
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Keith G
@Omnes Omnibus: Again OO, the question becomes which is worse. We will find out.
Baud
@Keith G:
No we won’t. We’ll never know how the counterfactual would have played out.
Keith G
@Baud: We might get a good idea though polling and other measurements of public reaction.
RaflW
Very late to the party here but my thoughts:
1. The press is very lazy. They need exactly one (1) story from the debate. They pick the easy one to explain. Getting into the weeds on State Exchanges, ACA, guaranteed issue … yawn! Math is hard! Boring! “Won’t divulge obvious vote” is so easy it can be written while drunk, asleep, or both.
2. The press is arrogant. They think their readers will be bored, or more contemptuously, think they’ll be confused by pieces that explain issues like State Exchanges, ACA, guaranteed issue and such. So they go with gotcha Grimes.
Corner Stone
@Keith G: Who did she lose?
Corner Stone
@Keith G:
They didn’t fucking “hope” it would be asked, they planted that question.
Are you too fucking stupid to get this? That’s a nail to the wall Q&A.
They don’t GIVE A FUCKING SHIT who she voted for. They just want her to say it out loud.
You’re a dense ass moran if you don’t get this.
Corner Stone
Good Christ. You fucking concern troll morans are ridiculous.
So tiring how stupid you are with all the wasted energy washing out your bunched panties.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
It’s amazing how if every candidate across the country would just campaign EXACTLY THE WAY I WANT THEM TOO, they’d all win.
Corner Stone
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): I agree. These purity trolls are so tiring.
Omnes Omnibus
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): That thing has been coming up on a lot of threads today. Most people in the US are to the right of most of the people posting on this site. Any political analysis that doesn’t recognize this is flawed.
FlipYrWhig
@Omnes Omnibus: My personal favorite was the one speculating that minorities in Kentucky would be exasperated with Grimes. Non-Hispanic whites are 86% of the population in Kentucky.
dww44
@tybee: know this is way late in the thread. But there are no Carter signs simply because they are so hard to come by. I work in a Georgia Victory 2014 office and we’ve been begging for materials from candidates, other than Nunn.
If I had to pick one candidate of the several good ones we’ve got (it would be nice to have a Democrat in a state level office for a change), and I do think Jason Carter can be good, Nunn’s victory would be the sweetest. And she’s put the biggest grassroots effort on the ground. It’s been going on for several months.
dww44
@Turgidson: Thanks. I’m going to save this comment and read it on November 5 just to see how it plays after the previous night’s outcomes. It’s why I’m working in this election to GOTV, because it just plain makes me feel less angry and more positive. Convincing largely AA voters to vote and to vote early.
dww44
@JPL: Well, I fundamentally disagree with your statement . Not donating to Nunn’s campaign for this reason strikes me as defeatist and unconstructive.. That ad hasn’t been around all that long. I made a couple of small donations long before that ad appeared and I ‘ve been volunteering in her campaign for quite some time.
She may be too centrist for me, but I’ve seen her in person on the campaign trail and I applaud her willingness to take positive policy positions that her opponent has not ever broached. I think she’s got a good chance. Perdue is truly a negative personality, but then that’s who Republicans largely are. Side by side, she’s the much better candidate. Reamed him in the raucus debate at the State/National/whatever fair last week.
Chris
@HR Progressive:
And yet the meme of the media as liberally biased remains firmly ingrained.
Chris
@Hal:
Quite a few of us started saying this a while ago: conservatives and a big chunk of the mushy moderate middle will accept each and every component of Obamacare individually (e.g. “Kynet”), maybe even Obamacare as a whole under the label “Affordable Care Act,” but will continue to blame the dreaded beast “Obamacare,” whatever it is, for each and every thing they see go wrong in the health care system, and beyond. Without ever making the connection between the two.
See also “keep your government off my Medicare.” See also how people can love their Medicare and their Social Security while still blaming “the welfare state.” That kind of dissonance and inability (or unwillingness) to connect the trees with the forest has been central to American politics since 1980, at least.
Chris
@Turgidson:
Yeah, I remember 2006. It was an utter shock to the Village, even though Bush’s approval numbers had been in the dumpster for at least a year before that between Iraq and Katrina.
The Village believes that Republicans are the rightful rulers of America, and chooses to believe that the public sees it that way too (“center right nation”). So any Democratic victory will be treated as a fluke (and mitigated with a lot of finger waggling about how they shouldn’t imagine that they have a mandate, America Is Still A Center Right Nation, etc), and any public loss of confidence in Republicans will go unreported until the public smashes them both over the head with it.
Chris
@RaflW:
It’s not hard to say “Kynect is funded by Obamacare, so no, you can’t have one without the other,” it’s not especially more complicated than the story of the Democrat not reporting her vote, and I don’t think even the media thinks anyone would be confused by it (unless by “confused” we mean “confused about whether they should in fact vote for the Republican.”)
3: the press is a part of the country club that is Official Washington, just like most of the politicians, political operators and lobbyists who’ve made their home there in the shadow of the Nixon, Reagan and Gingrich revolutions, and they’ve absorbed all the ideology that goes with that. For most of them, I don’t even think bribery or peer pressure are needed anymore. They’re all Reaganites. That’s the political tribe they grew up in, and they’ll go to bat for it just as a matter of course.
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: To my mind America is a center-right nation, but the Democrats are a center-right party, so it doesn’t follow that they won’t vote for Democrats.
As usually used, the phrase seems to mean that the US is center-right relative to itself, which makes no sense.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
I think “center right nation” is true in the sense that like in all political systems, it’s easier to just maintain the course than it is to change the system, either in a progressive (“left”) or regressive (“far right”) direction. In other words, “center right” meaning small-C conservative – the U.S. is definitely that, but so is, well, everywhere.
Your last sentence – exactly right.
FlipYrWhig
@Chris:
Here’s what they think “Obamacare” is: healthcare welfare. They think “Obamacare” takes their money and gives out freebies to dark-skinned people. That’s what they oppose about it. That’s also what they think “the deficit” is.
Kathleen
@VidaLoca: In Grimes’ case, you pretty well described most of the population of Kentucky.
“.. they’re always sucking up to the most racist and reactionary elements in whatever constituency it is they are running to represent”
Paul in KY
I think she’s making a mistake by not owning up to her votes. It’s like she’s trying to have it both ways. Assuming she votes for the Pres., she needs to claim it & briefly defend it: ‘In 2008 I chose not to continue the Bush/Cheney fail platform & in 2012, I chose not to give the White House to a corporate raider’. Then absolutely refuse to engage any other parsing. Probably too late to do that, though.
Of course, McConnell is a lying weasel about KYNECT & many other things, but due to her situation, they focus on that & not his lies.
Paul in KY
@VidaLoca: Completely agree. Makes her look like she has no principles & is a weenie to boot.
Paul in KY
@Felanius Kootea: Pres. Truman said this many years ago. Is as true today as it was then.
Paul in KY
@lamh36: Obviously, Ms. Grimes will need a huge turnout in the West End to have any chance at all of upsetting the Senatortise.
Paul in KY
@Corner Stone: I can’t imagine forcefully stating that you voted for whom you voted for is any worse than being very mealy-mouthed about it.
They are hammering her right now on your favoured response.
Paul in KY
@Omnes Omnibus: They are already doing that. Anyone with a brain would know she did vote. Just weaseling about it is worse (IMO).
Paul in KY
@FlipYrWhig: They are always important to any statewide Democratic winner. Lot of votes in West End of Louisville.
Corner Stone
@Paul in KY: Tell me who she lost by not giving the other side what they wanted? That’s a bullshit question. Everyone knows who she voted for! Why do you think they asked it except that they were hoping she’d actually say Obama’s name and they could complete the circle. That’s what turtle has been trying to do all cycle long!
For low info voters who may not actually like the turtle but damned if they’ll say a black man’s doing a good job presidentin! She at least didn’t flip the switch for any of that pool.
If people of color, African Americans and others want to withhold their vote for her because she was being a politician then I guess they can do that.
I, for one, happen to give them more credit and IMO, feel that people who are politically engaged there have a better grasp of the tactics and strategy of politics in KY.
I’m not speaking for communities of color, that’s just IMO.
Paul in KY
@Corner Stone: Once again, I go with Pres. Truman’s observation that when given the choice between a fake republican & a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican (in this case, McConnell) every time.
She is a Democrat & Pres. Obama is a Democrat. If she can’t come up with an affirming reason behind her vote, then she’s getting into ‘fake Republican’ territory, IMO.
I think she loses some white male voters, who might be thinking of pulling the level for her, but don’t like wishy-washy politicians or politicians who won’t stand up for their team. Might lose some black votes too (they’ll just stay home), as they perceive her trying to kiss ass to racist nimrods.
Corner Stone
@Paul in KY: How is she being a fake republican?
And speaking of circular firing squads, why are we so focused on breaking her down for this non-answer BS when Mitch flat out lied about Kynect and he’s getting absolutely no pushback! How many votes do you think his answer cost him?
I honestly can’t see how this non-issue hurts her one little bit in KY, but rather just in the focused lens of the Village.
But if the people of KY want to punish her for not playing the turtle’s game then I guess that’s the way it’ll be.
At this point I wish she had said, “I voted for the president in 2008 and 12.”
So, 1)we could have seen the immediate follow up questions, and 2)we could all be here bitterly carping about the sound byte that launched a thousand attack ads against her.
Personally, I’ll take an ad where Chuck Todd says she’s disqualified 1000 times over one ad where she says, “I love Obama and I’d fuck him on this debate room floor right now if he were here!” Because that’s what Team Mitch would be running, and all the inherent racists would be hearing.
Paul in KY
@Corner Stone: I see your points, I just think she’s supposed to be the candidate from the party that values truth, etc. Voters, a lot of whom vote for Republicans, know they’re the lying, evil ones & expect that from them.
At least for a Democrat, trying to unseat an person who’s never lost a race, you have to walk the walk, as well as talk the talk.
The ‘walk’ in this case being honest about things that you might rather wish were never asked you.
I do agree that KYNECT lies McConnell said are actually worse, but since the talking heads are fixated on Ms. Grimes’ mis-step, it’s up to her & Democrats to get ads out highlighting his BS.
Archon
I didn’t like that she disavowed voting for the sitting President of her own party, but what’s worse (to me at least) saying that she is a “Clinton Democrat”. We all know what that means.
I don’t want to get too caught it in principles especially when it comes to hardball politics and I’m sure she’s gonna be voting with Obama more times than not if she were a Senator but it’s worth wondering if the seat is worth having if someone in 2014 has to not only disavow the sitting President but talk in dixiecrat-style, dog whistle code to win the seat.
Paul in KY
@Archon: I sure want her to win & if she does win & this is what it took, then yay!
I just think it is bad strategery.
Corner Stone
Mod: “So, skank, who did you vote for in the last two elections?”
ALG: “For the president, each time.”
Mod: “You voted for Barack Obama twice. You voted for black Obama in 2008. You voted again for Barack black Obama in black 2012. Do you black regret either of those black votes black?”
ALG: “No, I do not.”
Cue Mitch ad: “Alison Grimes would black have ten thousand black babies by black Obama if she could. Not racist enough black for Kentucky. Not right for you. Black. Obama’s black. Vote Mitch.”
Paid for by the Didyouknowhe’sblack PAC
Paul in KY
@Corner Stone: Everyone already knows she voted for the blackity, black Oblackabama, she’s being craven (IMO) by not fessing up.
We’ll just have to disagree here.
Corner Stone
@Paul in KY: We can agree to disagree, but you’re still wrong.
Paul in KY
@Corner Stone: Nanny nanny boo boo: You are!
Corner Stone
@Paul in KY: rubber:glue :: me:you