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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Saturday Evening Cartoons Open Thread

Saturday Evening Cartoons Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  November 29, 20146:05 pm| 160 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Assholes

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“We need to decide — what product comes across the border.” Two of the biggest cartoons in Congress flash their… philosophy for CNN:

Roma, Texas (CNN) — Michele Bachmann leapt out of a black SUV near a high cliff overlooking the Rio Grande, dashed to the edge of a boulder and scanned the river that divides her country from another.

It was a quiet Friday afternoon in this border town where immigrants routinely sneak across the river in inflatable rafts, climb a ravine and seek shelter in a local church. But at this moment, there was little more to see on the Mexican side than some fishermen casting rods and a few horses snacking near the river.

Today it’s dead,” said Bachmann, a Republican congresswoman from Minnesota, sounding disappointed.

She blamed the stillness on the presence of a hand-held CNN camera.

“I think it’s quiet because the cameras are here. Because more than anything, the criminal cartel worries about and fears the wrath of the American people,” Bachmann said. “They’re crooks, they’re villains, but they’re businessmen. And that’s why they fear the CNN cameras.”

She was joined by her friend, Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King, on a boulder above the river. The duo represent a coalition of House lawmakers who are staunchly opposed to any legislative action on immigration that would offer lawful status to immigrants living in the United States illegally. While they don’t hold much official sway in Washington—neither chair a congressional committee and Bachmann plans to exit Congress in January—they do play an outsized role in amplifying conservative messaging.

They are prolific fundraisers and enjoy widespread support among the GOP’s tea party base…

When asked about critics who argue a border-length fence would be costly and nearly impossible to build in entirety, King compared it to the Great Wall of China, a project intended to keep out invading armies that cost the lives of thousands of Chinese workers to build.

“There were plenty of Chinese left over,” King said….

Yeah, it would be funnier if King didn’t already have the potential 2016 GOP candidates lining up to kiss his… ‘kingmaker’ ring. And Citizens United paying for the feast.

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Apart from cheap antics, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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  1. 1.

    Emma

    November 29, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    @efgoldman: Agreed. I used to think the were ignorant or stupid. Now I know they are evil, in the biblical sense.

  2. 2.

    PsiFighter37

    November 29, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    Watching Netflix episodes of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I forgot how wickedly funny this show is.

  3. 3.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 29, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Question: Do you (or did you) leave anything other than milk and cookies for Santa? My family left him a beer, and my husband and DIL think that’s howlingly funny. It never occurred to me that it was odd.

  4. 4.

    divF

    November 29, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    Steve and Michelle should have known that all the undocumented workers had crossed the river before midnight to make it to their Black Friday jobs.

  5. 5.

    TR

    November 29, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    I’m impressed these two are even able to dress themselves.

  6. 6.

    sparrow

    November 29, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: That is pretty funny. I think we did milk and cookies a few times, but it was because I (the older child) fully planned to come down at midnight and eat them myself.

  7. 7.

    trollhattan

    November 29, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    Michele, Cantaloupe-Calfs Bachmann, refreshed and ready for another run for the borderpresident!

    How many gazillion would that Likudnik wall cost to run the entire border? Probably exceed the F-35 program.

    Build a 12-foot wall and somebody builds a 13-foot ladder.

  8. 8.

    NotMax

    November 29, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    A word whose meaning as generally used has somewhat, um, migrated over the years applies in its classic sense.

    They’re boobs.

  9. 9.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 29, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    @sparrow: Santa always drank it.

  10. 10.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    November 29, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I made it about four episodes into that show. I found it phenomenally boring. Every single character was irritating and not in a funny way.

  11. 11.

    Hungry Joe

    November 29, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    Agenda tonight? And you don’t want to hear about cheap antics? Then I guess I’ve got nothing to contribute.

  12. 12.

    Stan of the Sawgrass

    November 29, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    I wonder if anyone ever told Steve King and the Batch that the Great Wall was built with slave labor, and didn’t even work– the barbs still got over while the guards were someplace else.
    (anybody that knows more about this, please chime in and correct me.)

  13. 13.

    jeffreyw

    November 29, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    Turkey pot pie and I don’t care.

  14. 14.

    Stan of the Sawgrass

    November 29, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    Oh, and PS– no, you can’t see it from space.
    (trollhattan said it: you can always build a ladder big enough to scale the fence…. or just dig a tunnel under it. Just like the Berlin Wall.)

  15. 15.

    Schlemazel

    November 29, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    @Emma:
    Don’t know about him but ‘ol Batshit is not stupid. She is crazy. This is the opposite of Arizona Barbie (lets be honest they got the hell out of Wasila as soon as they had money) who is not crazy but is very very stupid.

  16. 16.

    beer time somewhere

    November 29, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Last year did some helicopter work along the Ont/Minn border. Didn’t see Bachmann making sure I didn’t sneak across the border to the good ole USA.

    Oh, wait. I’m white.

    Idiot.

  17. 17.

    lamh36

    November 29, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    video made my afternoon.

    love it… President Obama and Malia laugh at Chuck Todd’s book

    https://twitter.com/only4rm/status/538812663225384961

  18. 18.

    Mike J

    November 29, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    @jeffreyw: I’m doing turkey enchiladas. They taste less like a turkey dinner than pot pie, but I’ll probably do that tomorrow.

  19. 19.

    Princess

    November 29, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    There is also the fact that the Great Wall of China ended up being entirely ineffective.

  20. 20.

    dance around in your bones

    November 29, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    I’ll bet Michele was bummed that no feelthy Messican tried to cross the Rio Grande while she was watching – why, she woulda pulled out her shotgun, drawn a bead on that mofo and missed him by a mile, only to watch in dismay as he got up and ran across the border anyway. Or, wait! Maybe she coulda got him from a helicopter!

    ‘Course, she’d of had to make sure the CNN cameras were rolling.

  21. 21.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 29, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    @efgoldman: Santa was very polite.

    When my kid was little, we didn’t leave anything. What was I thinking?

  22. 22.

    gogol's wife

    November 29, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    oh man that looks good

  23. 23.

    Hildebrand

    November 29, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    The Border Patrol was thick on the air and ground because those god-damned yahoos were strutting around and pretending to be here for reasons other than to get their stupid faces on the bloody television. Useless cretins.

  24. 24.

    gogol's wife

    November 29, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    @lamh36:

    She said exactly what I said!

  25. 25.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 29, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    @lamh36: I love how self-possessed the Obamas are. No wonder the beltway resents them.

  26. 26.

    Ruckus

    November 29, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    @Princess:
    I’m not sure they would care.
    No wait, yes I am. They wouldn’t.
    Because they could never think something should work, or not, only that their outrage should be soothed. For 5 min. Then they can move on the next whatever to be outraged against. As someone once pointed out, they can fund raise with outrage, there’s little to no fundraising about doing the right thing, especially if they may have to actually follow thru and do the right thing.

  27. 27.

    lamh36

    November 29, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    @WWLTV 2m2 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Associated Press reports Ferguson officer, Darren Wilson, has resigned

  28. 28.

    PsiFighter37

    November 29, 2014 at 6:51 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): It truly is Seinfeld on crack. I think it also helps that I went to college in Philly, so I can completely see some of the insanity in the show actually happening.

  29. 29.

    debbie

    November 29, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    @lamh36:

    Hope this is playing as he leaves the room:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GugzLSbOQE

  30. 30.

    Ruckus

    November 29, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):
    I tried to watch it when it first came out and lost interest immediately. I gave it a second shot and realized I was right the first time.

  31. 31.

    ljt

    November 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    De-lurking to share this link my daughter posted, from a young white woman trying to deal with Ferguson. It’s a long read, but well worth it.

  32. 32.

    Stan of the Sawgrass

    November 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Steve and Michelle, protecting American jobs— picking tomatoes at slave-labor wages, and hanging around the Home Depot lot hoping to make $20 for day labor. Can’t wait to see King at a photo op with a crowd of real murrkins fighting over THOSE jobs.

  33. 33.

    Hildebrand

    November 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    @lamh36: I love it. That should be put on a loop at the beginning of Meet the Press, replacing the theme music.

  34. 34.

    WereBear

    November 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    When asked about critics who argue a border-length fence would be costly and nearly impossible to build in entirety, King compared it to the Great Wall of China, a project intended to keep out invading armies that cost the lives of thousands of Chinese workers to build.

    “There were plenty of Chinese left over,” King said….

    All these years… and I’m still kind of stunned when one of them opens their mouth and shares their actual thoughts

  35. 35.

    dance around in your bones

    November 29, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    On the Santa snack issue, we always left a glass of milk and a couple of cookies. Santa drank about half the glass of milk and left one cookie with a big human bite taken out of it (calms fears that ‘the dog ate it! ) and left a little thank you note, which suspiciously looked like Mom’s handwriting, just like all the tags on the presents :)

    But kids WANT to believe in Santa long after he’s become credible – so, what they heck. You’re only a kid once.

    eta: “lost all credibility”

  36. 36.

    NobodySpecial

    November 29, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    @lamh36: Dunno why he’d quit, he made over $400k this year on the job. Maybe a TV deal.

  37. 37.

    ljt

    November 29, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    @ljt: @ljt:

    Link didn’t post..trying again. If it doesn’t work, the blog is called ‘iambeggingmymothernottoreadthisblog’

  38. 38.

    Ruckus

    November 29, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    @debbie:
    Nice way of saying don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

  39. 39.

    ljt

    November 29, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    There’s a reason I only lurk–failing miserably at trying to comment. One more try on the link:

    http://iambeggingmymothernottoreadthisblog.com/2014/11/27/race-ya/

  40. 40.

    mai naem mobile

    November 29, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    @NotMax: don’t be offensive to boobs.Boobs genuinely serve a good purpose.

  41. 41.

    Stan of the Sawgrass

    November 29, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    @lamh36: I’m sure he’s pondering his future– should he be a guest on talk radio (too hot for Fox, except maybe Hannity), or just lay low for a couple of months and take another police job in another state? His past isn’t likely to limit his law-enforcement employability.

  42. 42.

    debbie

    November 29, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Yes, to him and to his clear conscience.

  43. 43.

    Ruckus

    November 29, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    @WereBear:
    Really? After all the evidence that they are pure evil? Satan’s spawn, if you believe in that sort of thing?

  44. 44.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 29, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    @dance around in your bones: We had Christmas, with a tree, and presents that were surprises, but didn’t have Santa Claus. My parents are basically militant rationalists. Once I asked why we didn’t have a star on top of the tree and my mom scoffed and said, “That’ll be the day.” Never had realized that it was supposed to be religiously significant.

  45. 45.

    mellowjohn

    November 29, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    a beer for santa and carrots for the reindeer.

  46. 46.

    Russ

    November 29, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    Actors, in a political play that generates plenty of dollars for the actors to pocket. Don’t help solve the problem because the money is made inciting hate towards the immagrants seeking a better life just like those two seeking a better life from the money they get from promoting the distrust and disdain for those people who are not like me. I am an alected official and hold sway………..

  47. 47.

    dance around in your bones

    November 29, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: The Star of Bethlehem!

    I like that, though – all the trappings without the dogma…..we got all the dogma but as Episcopalians, so it hardly counted ;)

  48. 48.

    Ruckus

    November 29, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    @debbie:
    Conscience?
    You really think he has one?
    If he does it seems rather unused, possibly brand new, very, very low mileage as in maybe driven around the block once, or possibly never even unwrapped…..

  49. 49.

    Luther Siler

    November 29, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    I’ve spent the entire weekend trying to figure out how to market independently published books. There’s clearly a reason marketing is a major, because this is really difficult.

    That said, if you’re a science fiction fan, my stuff’s on sale: http://infinitefreetime.com/2014/11/26/luther-siler-thanksgiving-weekend-sale-live/

  50. 50.

    Mike E

    November 29, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: We celebrated Blue Xmas for a couple of goes, complete with Elvis ornaments (he was on the star too) and kept the tree up until his birthday in January. Fun.

  51. 51.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 29, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    @dance around in your bones: I once asked an English Episcopalian at what point the church started thinking of itself as tolerant and big-tent-ish. He said “Right about 1559.”

  52. 52.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 29, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    @Mike E: Nice!

  53. 53.

    Mnemosyne

    November 29, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Bought a little yarn on Small Business Saturday and now have to decide what to knit for my niece, nephew, and mom. Niece (almost 15) and nephew (just turned 12) both want hats; my mom wants nothing, but she’s getting handwarmers anyway. So there.

  54. 54.

    satby

    November 29, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    @ljt: Thanks for the link.

  55. 55.

    debbie

    November 29, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    @Ruckus:

    I don’t think so, but he does and he says it’s clear.

  56. 56.

    Tree With Water

    November 29, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    I live in a Sonoma county, Ca., once the northern border of Spanish California. As a native Californian I find such behavior offensive in the extreme. The intent of two midwest birdbrains is to spread the gospel of hate- period, over and out. I’ll believe the democratic party is on a rebound the day its officials begin speaking in similar terms. Lord knows come January there will be plenty of opportunity for them to do just that.

    And what is it with midwest? Its like the region is in a footrace with the south to reach the bottom of this nation’s barrel.

  57. 57.

    fidelio

    November 29, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    Today when we got back from buying groceries, my housemate found a stray shihtzu in our neighborhood, trailing his leash. Luckily, he had a collar and tags, and we were able to get him back the the elderly woman he’d make a break from.

    That current, numbered rabies tag kept a cute pup out of the pound & saved a lot of tears.

  58. 58.

    shelley

    November 29, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    When I was a tot, it was the milk and cookies and a carrot for the reindeer.
    If I had a little one in the house now, I’d add a little snifter of brandy for the Old Elf. He’s flouting the space=time continuum to deliver all those toys in just one night; so he could use an eye-opener.

  59. 59.

    Skerry

    November 29, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    Having recently seen a portion of the fence, it is several hundred yards inside the border on private land with occasional gaps so the landowners/farmers can access all their property. Useless.

    ETA: my kids always left carrots for reindeer in addition to milk and cookies.

  60. 60.

    jo6pac

    November 29, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    @divF: LOL and true sadly enough.

  61. 61.

    dance around in your bones

    November 29, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: Sounds about right :) Totally mellow church, no angry nuns with rulers, (as far as I know) no pedo priests (or at least not the concerted attempt to keep it quiet, priests in the church weren’t looked upon a demi-gods, just guys who, BTW, got married and had kids if they wanted to…..were even known to grow a beard and pick up a guitar and play!

  62. 62.

    smintheus

    November 29, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Darren Wilson explains why he is quitting:

    In a telephone interview, Wilson said he resigned after the police department told him it had received threats of violence if he remained an employee. “I’m resigning of my own free will,” he said. “I’m not willing to let someone else get hurt because of me.“

    Not counting the 18 year old he shot full of lead.

  63. 63.

    Mike J

    November 29, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    @Mike E: I grew up in Memphis. Death day was a bigger deal than birthday. I remember when the station was doing remotes from Graceland the engineer had to drive the van back to the station because all the jocks were too trashed and piled in the back.

  64. 64.

    Ruckus

    November 29, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    @debbie:
    Babies have clear consciences, it’s possible that some adults do, but someone who has murdered an unarmed person and says they do is either lying or has no idea what a conscience is.

  65. 65.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 29, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Heh.

  66. 66.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    November 29, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    @ljt: Thanks for your persistence. It’s a good essay – thanks for the pointer.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  67. 67.

    Mike in NC

    November 29, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    @smintheus: Wilson will land on both feet, possibly as a regular substitute for Hannity on FOX.

  68. 68.

    debbie

    November 29, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    No, I think it’s more likely he’ll go the way of George Zimmerman.

  69. 69.

    gogol's wife

    November 29, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    @ljt:

    Thanks, I’ll read it later — looks interesting.

  70. 70.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    @efgoldman: You can hear and alternative broadcast:

    You’ll be looking live at Paul Finebaum during the Iron Bowl — at least, you will if you tune into the SEC Network on Saturday night.

    In addition to ESPN broadcasting Alabama-Auburn this Saturday night at 7:45 p.m. ET — the first Iron Bowl matchup on ESPN since 2007 — Finebaum will do a version of his popular radio show on the SEC Network during the same window. The special is titled Finebaum Film Room: Iron Bowl Live, with Finebaum hosting a call-in show throughout the game. The call-in show will start after the conclusion of SEC Network’s airing of Vanderbilt-Tennessee, and SEC Network viewers will see both Finebaum’s set and the live game concurrently on their screens. Finebaum, an SEC Network analyst, will be joined by some SEC Network regulars (such as Marcus Spears and Greg McElroy) during the broadcast.

  71. 71.

    The Fat Kate Middleton

    November 29, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    @ljt: That was … wonderful.

  72. 72.

    gocart mozart

    November 29, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    Daily Kos has a good take on King. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/29/1347437/-Rep-Steve-King-border-fence-designer

  73. 73.

    gelfling545

    November 29, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    @efgoldman: I’d say clowns because while they should be funny you know, at bottom, that they’re just plain creepy.

  74. 74.

    prufrock

    November 29, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    @raven:
    That’s what’s showing at Hell’s Sports Bar. No thanks.

  75. 75.

    ruemara

    November 29, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    Did anyone else just plain old not believe in Santa as a kid? I’m not saying I was a born skeptic, but it just seemed the empirics were off. I never got anything I wanted, which meant that if Santa existed, he wasn’t very good at his job; he was also an adult and they are notoriously unreliable, ineffective and lacking in most ways. I may have once left milk & cookies at the behest of my mother, but, I knew she was eating the cookies. The adults around me always said I was way too cynical for an 8 year old. I never said it because sass had consequences, but, just once I did: Why wouldn’t I be cynical? I haven’t seen anything to make me not cynical.

    Re: Wilson. We knew he wasn’t going to head back to the force. He’s gotten his bounty. I hope it destroys him.

  76. 76.

    gocart mozart

    November 29, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    Rep. Steve King has personally designed a border fence. Some people may build model ships, others may create detailed topographical maps of Wyoming’s Devils Tower out of their mashed potatoes, but Rep. Steve King spends his time designing border fences.

    “I constructed that fence on the floor of the House,” he said. “It’s kicking around on YouTube.”

    King’s not joking. In 2006, he constructed a scale model of the fence he designed live on C-SPAN, complete with miniature barbed wire and cardboard to represent the dirt.

    The operative parts of the fence design, and what Rep. Steve King brings to the table, is that the fence will attach to the ground, point up at the sky, and be tallish. He has blueprints and the aforementioned scale model, which differentiate him from all the other would-be fence designers of the world, many of whom have struggled with the whole attaches to the ground part. Thankfully the Mexican drug cartels who have partnered with ISIS to infiltrate our nation and who already are, to hear Republicans talk, nearly in control of our border states already have not yet achieved ladder technology, thus rendering the plan foolproof.
    Rep. King (seen here as hand, torso) highlights the method by which his border fence
    would attach to the ground and go upward from there in a vertical fashion.
    As for the building 2,000 or so miles of it, Steve King doesn’t want to hear nonsense about expense or practicality.

    When asked about critics who argue a border-length fence would be costly and nearly impossible to build in entirety, King compared it to the Great Wall of China, a project intended to keep out invading armies that cost the lives of thousands of Chinese workers to build.

    “There were plenty of Chinese left over,” King said.

    So there you go.

  77. 77.

    chopper

    November 29, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    She was joined by her friend, Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King, on a boulder above the river.

    Just once can’t the boulder give way when we want it to?

  78. 78.

    Hal

    November 29, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    She was joined by her friend, Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King, on a boulder above the river.

    Where’s a small localized earthquake when you need one?

  79. 79.

    chopper

    November 29, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    @gocart mozart:

    King’s not joking. In 2006, he constructed a scale model of the fence he designed live on C-SPAN, complete with miniature barbed wire and cardboard to represent the dirt.

    Complete with dusky Lego messicans. I’m sure there were plenty left over.

  80. 80.

    Schlemazel

    November 29, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    @Luther Siler:
    There are a bunch or writers on this blog, you should all get together & see if you can come up with a common effort.

  81. 81.

    NotMax

    November 29, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Is there any difference anymore between Food Network and Game Show Network?

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 29, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    @ruemara:

    Did anyone else just plain old not believe in Santa as a kid?

    I was lucky enough to learn to read at a very young age, and by the time I was three years old I had figured out that Santa and my mother had identical handwriting. It was pleasant to acknowledge Santa as a cultural icon, kind of like God, but none of it had much to do with my own beliefs.

  83. 83.

    lamh36

    November 29, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Wow, have yall seen Jake Gyllenhaal’s new body in his new film? Not a mega JG fan, wow I didn’t recognize him.

    He was pretty ripped in Jarhead, but wowza, he’s even bigger here!

    https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/538869226635661312

  84. 84.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    @NotMax: I’m on Offbeat Eats on the Cooking Channel!

  85. 85.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    November 29, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    @Schlemazel: I don’t know. I think Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods is both stupid and crazy. And mean.

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    November 29, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    Okay, that was weird. For some reason, Charlotte decided to attack Keaton, and I mean a pretty serious, screaming attack. I now have everyone divided up into separate rooms until they calm down.

  87. 87.

    jl

    November 29, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    So, was King’s comment just a reflection of his knee jerk racism, relevant to nothing in particular regarding the border wall, or was it a slam on unions, worker safety and uppity attitude of ordinary people not wanting to get killed working at their jobs.

    I don’t think I can figure it out.

  88. 88.

    satby

    November 29, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I don’t remember when I figured it out, but I remember being disappointed. So when I had my own kids, we taught them that Santa had been a historical person , St. Nicholas, and that we celebrated his spirit of giving at Christmas with characters dressed like Santa. Convoluted, but it saved me lots of discussions around “how could Santa be here when he was over at that other store a minute ago” when they got older. Kept the focus on giving a slight bit more, too.

  89. 89.

    pseudonymous in nc

    November 29, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    @Princess:

    There is also the fact that the Great Wall of China ended up being entirely ineffective.

    Yep.

    I mean, have these people actually been to the bits of the border that aren’t a river? The bits that are mountain ranges and deserts and canyons? Of course not. If you haven’t seen Anthony Bourdain’s No Reservations on the southern border, it’s worth watching: smartest bit of television made about it in the past decade.

    (Also, small matter of sovereign rights to indigenous people that extend across both northern and southern borders.)

  90. 90.

    satby

    November 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    And since we’re talking about Santa, I need suggestions from parents of boy teens, 15-17, for the Santa giving tree at my local grocery store. They have a ton of needy teenagers this year, and the last time I had boys that age was 14 years ago. No idea what they like now.

  91. 91.

    pseudonymous in nc

    November 29, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    @lamh36:

    BREAKING: Associated Press reports Ferguson officer, Darren Wilson, has resigned to spend more time with his bounty money.

    FTFY, wire services.

  92. 92.

    NotMax

    November 29, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc

    (Also, small matter of sovereign rights to indigenous people that extend across both northern and southern borders.)

    Need it be pointed out that to Bachmann, King and their ilk, they may be indigenous but they’re not really people?

  93. 93.

    p.a.

    November 29, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    @efgoldman: Who has it? CBS has SEC but all I see are crappy Xmas cartoons. O-O State is already a rout, and the clashing colors are making me queasy. Thank FSM they’re not playing on the blue Boise St field.

  94. 94.

    Mike E

    November 29, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    The Menagerie, original Star Trek, is playing on MeTV.

  95. 95.

    Raven

    November 29, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    @p.a.: Espn

  96. 96.

    NotMax

    November 29, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    @Mike E

    Crude but true observation is that many folks describe the Talosians as buttheads.

  97. 97.

    Mnemosyne

    November 29, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    @satby:

    I do not have teenagers, boy or girl, but my first instinct is Best Buy or Target gift cards so they can buy music and/or video games.

  98. 98.

    beth

    November 29, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    @satby: That’s a really tough age. I always do gift cards, mostly for local movie theatres or fast food.

  99. 99.

    satby

    November 29, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    @Mnemosyne: yeah, I did do that a lot with my own kids, they do like to pick out their own stuff.

  100. 100.

    NotMax

    November 29, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    @Mnemosyne

    Or Amazon gift card.

    (Plus underwear and socks. Some traditions, however sappy, ought be kept alive.)

  101. 101.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 29, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    “There were plenty of Chinese left over.” Wow. Speechless.

  102. 102.

    p.a.

    November 29, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    @Raven: Tks. Oh well, no cable. Wonder if they will show both parts of The Managerie?

  103. 103.

    pseudonymous in nc

    November 29, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    @NotMax:

    Need it be pointed out that to Bachmann, King and their ilk, they may be indigenous but they’re not really people?

    But of course, what kind of American is Tohono O’odham, sounds all kinds of foreign to Steve Racist King and Michele Fruitloop Bachmann.

  104. 104.

    Mike E

    November 29, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    @NotMax: “He keeps blinking no…no to what?”

    It’s amazing what they accomplished as a dramatic sci-fi program during the same era as I Dream Of Jeannie and Gilligan’s Island.

  105. 105.

    pseudonymous in nc

    November 29, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    @p.a.:

    Who has it? CBS has SEC but all I see are crappy Xmas cartoons.

    Iron Bowl is ESPN; ABC is Ducks slaughtering Beavers.

  106. 106.

    NotMax

    November 29, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    @Mike E

    Spock hysterically shouting “The women!!!!!!” is a highlight.

  107. 107.

    Jerry

    November 29, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    My Hulu Plus subscription is paying off in a giant way with all of the heretofore unseen Top Chef (and Master) seasons. This shit rules and my wife can’t keep me out of the kitchen now.

  108. 108.

    JPL

    November 29, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    @satby: Local sports t-shirts are normally acceptable.

  109. 109.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    I’m a sports fan, but have never ever got into college football. And it occurred to me today that it’s the only sport where sports radio talks less about the actual games, and more about the rankings/polls. It’s tedious and dumb. Get a real playoff system.

  110. 110.

    Steeplejack

    November 29, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I have spent way too much time trying to figure out a plausible car-wreck “accident” scenario involving him and Al Michaels. Maybe sharing a limo on the way to the ESPYs? Nah, don’t want to hurt the poor driver.

    ETA: Musburger seems to do a lot of SEC games, so I see hear him much too often.

  111. 111.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    @Steeplejack: That’s because he is with the SEC Network. This game is an “ESPN/SEC Network game.

  112. 112.

    Mike E

    November 29, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    @NotMax: Ah, the original pilot with Majel Barrett as the X-O…Spock needed his Vulcan/human mix ironed out, like Sisko’s character getting sorted out at the start of DS9.

  113. 113.

    jenn

    November 29, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Holy crap. King’s outburst about the Great Wall… I am honestly speechless. WTH?!

  114. 114.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 29, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    About Wilson, it’s pretty freaking hilarious reading people who are so DAMN sure they know what’s going Wilson’s mind. Meanwhile I was talking to a retired cop who thirty years after killing a suspect who attacked him with a knife is filled with self loathing, considers himself a murderer and this is after he was vindicated by an investigation, Who knows, maybe Wilson a pysco and could careless, or he could be haunted by the whole experience and is tormenting himself in ways no judicial punishment could. One thing for sure is anyone who claims to intuitively know what’s running threw Wilsons mind is a utter jackass and a fool.

  115. 115.

    Baud

    November 29, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    I would support an impregnable wall around our border if we could get King and Bachmann on the other side of it.

  116. 116.

    Mike E

    November 29, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    @efgoldman: The most successful bomb in syndication, ever ;-)

  117. 117.

    Cckids

    November 29, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: At my daughter’s insistence, we would leave strips of sweet red peppers for the reindeer & coffee in a thermos for Santa. Because the reindeer would be tired of carrots (apparently the choice of others) and caffeine would be welcomed by the big guy.

  118. 118.

    NotMax

    November 29, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    @efgoldman

    Bombed? Three seasons is pretty respectable.

    The network shuffling the days and times it aired did not help. First season was at 8:30 on Thursdays. Solid young adult and kid audience.

    Second season it was moved to Fridays at 8:30, which lost much of the young adult crowd (a coveted demographic), who went out for other entertainment at the beginning of the weekend.

    Third season moved again to 10 on Fridays, which significantly cut into the kid audience (beddy bye time and all that).

    CBS was the powerhouse network at the time. Trek fared respectably against their shows and, IIRC, consistently got higher ratings (as well as a more affluent audience share) than whatever was against them on ABC.

  119. 119.

    Mnemosyne

    November 29, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Judging by the interview on ABC that he did, the primary thing that seems to be going through Wilson’s mind right now is, Only say what the lawyers told me to say so I don’t go to jail.

    How he’s going to feel once the publicity dies down and he’s left alone to think about his actions may be a different thing.

  120. 120.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    @efgoldman: Yeah, I know. College football is a nothing burger in the very region with most of the world’s greatest colleges. Odd how that works.

    I suppose if I went to Alabama or USC or Michigan I’d care, but nope.

    Still, all the talk about polls and subjective rankings. It’s nuts!

  121. 121.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    @efgoldman: It feels like such a dirty sport. The huge money, the bowls, the schools pretending to provide an education.

    Compare it to college basketball – the difference is stark.

  122. 122.

    Emma

    November 29, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    @lamh36: You have made my evening! That is a well-brought-up young lady.

  123. 123.

    Mike E

    November 29, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    @p.a.: Part 2 will air next Sat.

    MeTV is digitally b’cast over the air as ’50-2′ here, next to the Fox channel. The ‘LiveWell’ network is similarly run alongside the ABC channel; that’s being discontinued however, which sucks since they show the excellent Motion program…the host is hiking all of the nat’l parks/monuments, and I guess (hope) you could stream that show online after the cancellation.

  124. 124.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    @redshirt: What a fucking crock of horseshit.

  125. 125.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    @raven: What’s horseshit? The college football is the only sport that prominently features a massive level of discussion on subjective rankings and polls (all other sports settle it on the field/court/rink)? Or that it’s the dirtiest, most contemptible major American sport?

  126. 126.

    JPL

    November 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    @jenn: Gotta admit, that King leaves me speechless all the time.

  127. 127.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    @efgoldman: Discussion of college basketball focuses on the games and the tournament. College football is all about these mysterious “polls”. And sponsored bowls.

  128. 128.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Regardless, Pats v The Pack is such an awesome game, I’ve planned my whole week around it.

  129. 129.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    @efgoldman: Shit, elitist east coast bullshit ain’t flyin dog.

  130. 130.

    JPL

    November 29, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    @raven: I assume that you haven’t recovered yet from the earlier game. I listened on the radio while I was cleaning up the neighbors leafs that the wind gave me. I still have more tomorrow. Next year, I’m hiring help or chopping down the trees. I haven’t decided which is the best approach.

  131. 131.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    @efgoldman: I ain’t talkin about you knucklehead.

  132. 132.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    @JPL: It was total stupidity by Richt. Exciting game that Tech deserved to win but we wrapped it in a bow and gave it to them. I headed right to the beach and about 20 minutes before sunset something hit me and, after a really good fight, broke my line. That’s the second one since we’ve been here. One more full day and back home Monday.

  133. 133.

    PurpleGirl

    November 29, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    @NotMax: Not to mention that it was an expensive show to make. And NBC wanted another Lost in Space, not the intellectual Cowboys in Space that Roddenberry wanted to make. Watched the original show, was involved with the first conventions in NYC. Somehow managed to over-rule my father on using the TV and sent him to the basement to watch his preferences on the other TV down there.

  134. 134.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    @efgoldman: Well then, screw all ya’ll. “College football is a nothing burger in the very region with most of the world’s greatest colleges”

    The Harvard–Yale football rivalry, one of the oldest rivalries in US college football and also known as The Game by some followers, is an American college football rivalry between the Harvard Crimson football team of Harvard University and Yale Bulldogs football team of Yale University. Although the Harvard-Yale rivalry is one of the oldest college football rivalries in the US, the first college football game was between Princeton and Rutgers. The Game is played in November at the end of the football season, with the venue alternating between Harvard Stadium and the Yale Bowl. Through the 2014 game, Yale leads the series 65-58-8.

    Before the 1916 Game, Yale coach T.A.D. Jones inspired his players to victory (6–3) when he unequivocally asserted, “Gentlemen, you are now going to play football against Harvard. Never again in your whole life will you do anything so important.”[1]

  135. 135.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    @efgoldman: And if you want to talk about geography and football the NFL is much bigger in the “the very region with most of the world’s greatest colleges”. So what does that prove? Nuthin, that’s what.

  136. 136.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    @raven: I don’t think anyone really cares about Harvard v Yale.

    As for the comparison of college football and basketball, I ask sincerely: How many college basketball champions have later had to give up their championship because they fell foul of the NCAA? How many programs get “the death penalty”. Is there anything like the Penn State scandal in basketball?

  137. 137.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    @raven: You seem upset with that one line – “region with most of the world’s greatest colleges”. You disagree? ‘bama has a better academic reputation than I’m familiar with? Besides Duke and Rice, what college in the South (the beating heart of college football fandom) compares with Harvard or Yale?

  138. 138.

    opiejeanne

    November 29, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    Watching the Apple Cup (or whatever it’s called), waiting for the Cougars to roll the Huskies for a change.

  139. 139.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    @redshirt: Yea, Michigan is in the south isn’t? Who you tryin to bullshit?

    eta And I’m not upset I just think it’s a load of crap.

  140. 140.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    @redshirt: If you have to ask that you clearly don’t know what you are talking about.

  141. 141.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    The 1978–79 Boston College basketball point shaving scandal involved a scheme in which underworld figures recruited and bribed some Boston College basketball players to ensure the team would not win by the required margin (not cover the point spread), allowing the gamblers in the know to place wagers against that team and win.

    eta

    Famous examples of this are the Dixie Classic scandal of 1961, the CCNY Point Shaving Scandal in 1950–51 and the Boston College basketball point shaving scandal of 1978-79

  142. 142.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    @raven: Give an example.

    And yes, the Midwest loves their college football too. As does most of America, except, strangely, the Northeast, home of most of the best universities.

  143. 143.

    raven

    November 29, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    @redshirt: Strangely they are more into the scandal ridden NFL. So what?

  144. 144.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    @raven: Because the NFL is a real sport, unlike the subjective world of college football.

  145. 145.

    opiejeanne

    November 29, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    @redshirt: Most of the best universities.

    California has a bone to pick with you.

  146. 146.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    @opiejeanne: @raven: “Most”. There are certainly some world class Uni’s in California, but only a few.

  147. 147.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    @raven:

    The 1978–79 Boston College basketball point shaving scandal involved a scheme in which underworld figures recruited and bribed some Boston College basketball players to ensure the team would not win by the required margin (not cover the point spread), allowing the gamblers in the know to place wagers against that team and win.

    eta

    Famous examples of this are the Dixie Classic scandal of 1961, the CCNY Point Shaving Scandal in 1950–51 and the Boston College basketball point shaving scandal of 1978-79

    Did anyone win and then somehow “lose” a national championship?

    The very idea is ludicrous. Oh yes, USC won the national championship, but then a few years later they lost it. Absurd.

  148. 148.

    JCT

    November 29, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    @raven: You forgot Arizona’s illustrious Sun Devils! Booooo!

    http://articles.latimes.com/1997/dec/06/sports/sp-61336

  149. 149.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    @efgoldman: That’s a good example. Thanks.

  150. 150.

    redshirt

    November 29, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    Just be happy Raven I’m not shitting up the actual college football thread. On purpose.

  151. 151.

    Jay C

    November 29, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    @jl:

    So, was King’s comment just a reflection of his knee jerk racism, relevant to nothing in particular regarding the border wall, or was it a slam on unions, worker safety and uppity attitude of ordinary people not wanting to get killed working at their jobs.

    I don’t think I can figure it out.

    It’s Steve Fucking King – how about going for “all of the above” ???

  152. 152.

    Yatsuno

    November 29, 2014 at 11:43 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    waiting for the Cougars to roll the Huskies for a change

    You are much more optimistic than I am. My only hope is that it’s in Pullman this year and right now it is colder than the backside of Pluto there right now.

  153. 153.

    Xenos

    November 29, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    @redshirt: we snooty New Englanders like college football, but are not into the game as played by all those tacky colleges out in the wasteland extending south and west of Philadelphia.

    (My snooty French phone refuses to believe such a déclassé city exists, and keeps autocorrecting to “phyla delphiniums”, which is not good Latin. Oh tempora! )

  154. 154.

    Mnemosyne

    November 30, 2014 at 12:07 am

    @redshirt:

    You might be surprised at how inconsequential most of those East Coast universities are here on the other coast. If it’s not Harvard or Yale, no one really cares.

    MIT? Is that like Caltech?

  155. 155.

    AnotherBruce

    November 30, 2014 at 1:10 am

    @raven: Thanks for the info, and fuck the SEC.

  156. 156.

    redshirt

    November 30, 2014 at 1:12 am

    @Mnemosyne: MIT is powerful beyond belief.

  157. 157.

    AnotherBruce

    November 30, 2014 at 1:22 am

    @raven: Good for the Big Ten, who have been a lot smarter than the ESPN jackasses. Good for Delany, who told them exactly where they could shove their network.

  158. 158.

    grandpa john

    November 30, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    @Mnemosyne: the primary thing that seems to be going through Wilson’s mind right now is, Only say what the lawyers told me to say

    so I don’t give anything that can be used in the civil suite


    I don’t think he has to worry about jail unless it comes from the feds

  159. 159.

    grandpa john

    November 30, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    @redshirt: Evidently some of us still believe that colleges primary purpose is learning.

  160. 160.

    grandpa john

    November 30, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    @redshirt: And what would the NFL be like without having college foot ball as a free minor league?

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