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Thursday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  December 4, 20145:10 am| 112 Comments

This post is in: KULCHA!, Open Threads, Daydream Believers

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Via the comments to a NYTimes article on the ongoing disposition of Maurice Sendak’s estate. (I understand the Rosenbach Library’s disappointment, but it seems clear that Mr. Sendak wanted Ms. Caponera to turn his former home into a house museum and study center…. and what a perfect way to celebrate a great artist’s quirky and thoroughly un-academic work!)

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Apart from remembering what’s important, what’s on the agenda for the day?

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  1. 1.

    Mike J

    December 4, 2014 at 5:19 am

    This is the last year the PNB is doing the Sendak nutcracker.

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    Tommy

    December 4, 2014 at 5:32 am

    Some music posts in the last thread. Some ladies from the 50s or so that could flat out sing. Here is another. Sarah Vaughan, but remixed. I promise it will just a little bounce in your step to start the day:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPJZ9yFbHz8

    Oh and I went to the Google to check to make sure she did sing in the 50s (cause we have to be accurate) and this is the intro to her Wikipedia entry:

    Sarah Lois Vaughan (March 27, 1924 – April 3, 1990) was an American jazz singer, described by music critic Scott Yanow as having “one of the most wondrous voices of the 20th century.”

    Nicknamed “Sassy”, “The Divine One” and “Sailor” (for her salty speech), Sarah Vaughan was a Grammy Award winner. The National Endowment for the Arts bestowed upon her its “highest honor in jazz”, the NEA Jazz Masters Award, in 1989.

    I guess I need to work harder because I’d like my entry one day to start off something like that.

  3. 3.

    Mustang Bobby

    December 4, 2014 at 5:41 am

    I am glad to be out of the range of a TV this morning so I will not be tempted to turn on Joe Scarborough and see how he promotes race relations and healing in America.

  4. 4.

    Tommy

    December 4, 2014 at 5:52 am

    Oh I so understand Ms. Caponera wanting to turn his former home into a museum and study center. My father lives in the house my great, great grandfather built with his own hands. When my grandfather passed away, my father retired, he moved in with my mom. First thing he did was buy the house across the street for his “books.” About 15,000 of them. I’d say 14,999 are about the Civil War and/or military history (his PhD is in history — Civil War). Then the framed pictures, guns, mannequins with military outfits. I’d post a pic but it is almost embarrassing how cluttered the place is, because he had already outgrown the space the first day he moved in.

    He often tells me this is my lifes collection. Your brother doesn’t care that much, but I know you understand. When I am no longer here you GOT to FIND somebody to take it all. Never told him this but have always thought I might move into the house my ansecter built. Declutter his “office,” and since he sits on the board of directors of the local community college, tell them it will be open to any student (or anybody really) that wants a place to study. Free coffee. Take any book you want home, we work on the honor system here :).

  5. 5.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 4, 2014 at 5:53 am

    @Tommy: My wiki page will be one word long: “Who?”

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    ThresherK

    December 4, 2014 at 5:55 am

    @Tommy: As a (strangely young, demographic-busting) devotee of the old WNEW-AM, I remember “The Divine One”. But I never knew her called “Sailor”.

    Glad she was just old enough / in the right place that her career led her down the jazz / pre-rock idiom / Great American Songbook* path.

    /something new every day

    (*I don’t know what else to call it. Suggestions cheerfully accepted.)

  7. 7.

    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 5:59 am

    As usual, I post in the previous thread.

    A River of Booze in Athens.

  8. 8.

    Tommy

    December 4, 2014 at 6:02 am

    @raven: Almost posted a few pics from Flickr in my comment about my father’s study. Not logged into for Flickr in ages. Saw your most recent uploads. Nice fishs dude! I can only assume your fishing trip went well.

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    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 6:02 am

    @Mustang Bobby: He’s got Sharpton on.

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    Amir Khalid

    December 4, 2014 at 6:03 am

    Just yesterday we were lamenting the death of Bobby Keys. Now comes word that keyboardist Ian McLagan of the (Small) Faces has died of a stroke at 69.

  11. 11.

    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 6:05 am

    @Tommy: It did, it was tough going in that the water and air was pretty chilly and the wind blew hard. They have but almost all the bigger fish out of season so the boat trip was fun but not as productive as some. Being on that beautiful beach for days on end is cleansing but it goes so fast.

  12. 12.

    ThresherK

    December 4, 2014 at 6:05 am

    Re the last thread: With all those book reviewers and media sorts whose jobs seem to include the tasks of complaining and “other-self-pitying” for George Bush pere et fils, why would the two of them ever have to lift a finger to do it themselves?

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    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 6:05 am

    @Amir Khalid: Small Faces and Faces.

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    Tommy

    December 4, 2014 at 6:09 am

    @ThresherK: Cool. Can I suggest the NPR station KCRW. Morning Becomes Eclectic is their primary music show, but they pretty much rock amazing music I can’t hear anywhere else 24/7. Based in Santa Monica College. I have been told it is kind of the “in station.” Has been for years and years among musicians, if not the listening public. Often bands like Beck, U2, and REM just stop by to jam in studio, live. And of course they have an app and you can get it all online through their site or streaming via iTunes (how I listen).

  15. 15.

    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 6:10 am

    @Amir Khalid: In the winter of 67 I was home on leave and my buddy and I went to the Electric Theater in Chicago to see Jeff Beck. We knew him from the Yardbirds but never heard of this skinny dude in a tangerine turtle neck, a killer bass player and an absolute wizard on keys. I don’t know much about love, people.

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    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 6:18 am

    Well, it’s no secret that I despise Joe but this conversation between him and Al is pretty good.

  17. 17.

    Mustang Bobby

    December 4, 2014 at 6:20 am

    @raven: Huh. Maybe my old high school chum Phil Griffin had a little chat with the MSNBC staff about comity and kumbayah.

  18. 18.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 6:21 am

    @raven: Fascinating article!

  19. 19.

    Amir Khalid

    December 4, 2014 at 6:21 am

    @raven:
    Being a bunch of short guys, they were the Small Faces before and after Rod Stewart and Ron Wood’s time in the band. Wood and Stewart are more like five foot nine or five foot ten.

  20. 20.

    ThresherK

    December 4, 2014 at 6:22 am

    @Tommy: Glad to see someone else on the site likes both Sarah Vaughn and the “modern rock” (a name which also needs updating).

    However, to stop any confusion, I was never in the listening audience for WNEW-FM–too far away for one thing, and as a young ‘un I had very little taste for rock & roll. I meant this WNEW. (Also home to New York Cosmos broadcasts in their day.)

  21. 21.

    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 6:25 am

    @Betty Cracker: I’ve been here for 30 years and the change is astounding. I also went through an alcohol “training” session at the UGA Health Center that is in the article. It had a different name but many of the folks were the same. Most of the people in it were frat boys who were there because of a DUI. When it was over I chatted with the woman running it and she said “you are done drinking”. I was taken aback and asked how she knew? She told me she’d been doing it for years and she could tell when someone was ready. That was 21+ years ago.

  22. 22.

    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 6:26 am

    @Mustang Bobby: They both made points about how much they disagreed but are still friends.

  23. 23.

    Tommy

    December 4, 2014 at 6:29 am

    @raven: Well you are a few years my senior. Wish I was your age and could have seen Jeff Beck play in 1967. Wow. One of my top ten concerts of all time was George Porter Jr. He didn’t sing or anything, just played the bass at the Varsity in Baton Rouge:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08i-rvqpMc

    He is the bass player for the Meters. Not saying you Raven, but if you have not heard of the Meters you are missing out. Now I have a Louisiana thing going on and have for a few decades, but they are said to be the best rock band (not sure I’d call them that) nobody has ever heard of. I’ve read in Rolling Stone they are the most sampled band in rap music today. Bare none. Period! Their base lines in their songs were that amazing. Looking at you Geroge Porter :).

    Oh and their lead singer is Aaron Neville’s brother. Wonderful voice. I’ve taken more than a few of my friends to see them and they are like WTF is going on. Confused in a good way. How are they not as big as any act in America?

  24. 24.

    Bystander

    December 4, 2014 at 6:33 am

    I think the greatest tribute paid to Ms. Vaughan was the character in an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle set in Saudi Arabia during an oil crisis, IIRC. Sahara Vaughan was the sheik the boys needed to contact.

  25. 25.

    PurpleGirl

    December 4, 2014 at 6:34 am

    OT: NY politician Herman Badillo has died. He was 85. When he began in politics he was a Democrat, later he became a Republican. My impression was that when the Democrats in the City didn’t elevate him to whichever office he was expecting to get, he jumped to the Republicans, who didn’t do much for him either. He was known for being the first Puerto Rican-born member of Congress. He was also Bronx Borough President.

  26. 26.

    PurpleGirl

    December 4, 2014 at 6:40 am

    @ThresherK: I was a loyal listener of WNEW-FM. I loved that station and its DJs. A must listen each night was Alison Steele, the Night Bird. I was also a fan of WNCN, to me the best classical station ever.

  27. 27.

    Tommy

    December 4, 2014 at 6:44 am

    @ThresherK: Diverse group of people here. Many interests. I Goggled your station and you are in NJ. If you can’t get a good station there or via NYC I don’t know what to say. I get KMOX which is a shell of what it used to be. Called the “50,000 Watt Blow Torch” it is the reason most people in middle America are Cardinals baseball fans. When it was a clear night and I lived in DC I could pull in the station. Blankets the entire midwest. My mom jokes she put headphones on her belly so I could hear Jack Buck call Cardinals games on KMOX when I was in the womb, but the station has lost its course. Now Rush is on. Fucked up. A once great station, my mom (not a liberal BTW) often jokes people are rolling over in their graves with what happened to the station.

  28. 28.

    Tommy

    December 4, 2014 at 6:52 am

    @PurpleGirl: The only classical music station in my area got bought like 5 years ago. I am nothing close to an expert on classical music. I just find the music stunning. I could listen to a Chopin Waltz on repeat for hours. The people that bought the classical music station are far, far, far right. Religious programming is all we have. Said they’d keep playing the music, they did not for a single day. I live in a pretty large city, St. Louis, and I have NO classical music station. Not a single one.

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    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 7:05 am

    @raven: The drunken revelry described sounded much like Gainesville circa 1988. But the cop made the “super-sizing” point. Scary.

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    Raven

    December 4, 2014 at 7:06 am

    @Tommy: Like the Faces we have the Meters and The Funky Meters!

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    Mustang Bobby

    December 4, 2014 at 7:08 am

    @Tommy: The same thing happened here in Miami. In 2001 WTMI was a commercial classical station that was bought out and switched to “dance” music. It was seven years before a non-commercial Jesus-shouter station was bought out and went classical as a repeater for Minnesota Public Radio’s 24-hour classical feed with local drop-ins to make us think it was truly local. I listen to Interlochen Public Radio out of Traverse City, Michigan via the web at the office.

    The one oasis in the FM desert in Miami is WDNA, an all-jazz non-commercial station. The signal is pretty weak where I live, but it makes nice driving music.

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    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 7:09 am

    Orion orbiter supposed to launch in a few minutes.

  33. 33.

    Tommy

    December 4, 2014 at 7:10 am

    @Raven: Uptown rulers ….

  34. 34.

    PurpleGirl

    December 4, 2014 at 7:17 am

    @Tommy: WNCN was sold years ago to people who changed it to quadrophonic rock-n-roll. A group formed to try to buy it and change it back. Also tried to forestall the selling of the record library. WQXR (NY Times station) and WNYC had other interests besides classical music so I never really got into to listening to them.

  35. 35.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 7:18 am

    @Betty Cracker: Just came here to announce that.

    BBC America following. Launch delayed by boat downstream 10 mins ago; now they’re waiting out a “ground wind.”

  36. 36.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 7:22 am

    @Elizabelle: I’m hoping to catch a glimpse of it. I can generally see the contrail even though I’m on the opposite coast. Looks like it might be scrubbed, though.

  37. 37.

    ThresherK

    December 4, 2014 at 7:24 am

    @Tommy: Close, but I grew up in middle coastal CT. A lot of the same broadcast tendrils reached me as central Jersey.

    The station which used to be WNEW-AM was the first Bloomberg radio outlet, and has been for many years. That’s a pissah, as the signal is very strong in many place much further away from NYC than I.

    Your comment about KMOX can be applied to many names on the AM side. “It’s a shell of what it used to be” could be a long thread!

    Last night, while doing nothing waiting in the car, I idly scanned the AM side–best on a winter night–for fun. To bag a new station I’ve never heard before.

    Well, I still know all the easy spots on the dial, but at some point after four minutes of commercials I gave up because I would not bother with thirty seconds of “We’ll be right back with the man who loves his country, Sean Hannity” to find out what the unknown station between WTOP Washington and WWKB Buffalo is.

    For those of you playing at home, a bit of searching shows WMEX, Boston (Libertarian talk) to be the likeliest candidate. But I’m not clicking on the homepage just to find out.

  38. 38.

    bemused

    December 4, 2014 at 7:26 am

    @raven:

    What did Joe say about the Garner grand jury decision?

  39. 39.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 7:31 am

    @ThresherK:

    What country does Sean Hannity love? It would not seem to be this one.

  40. 40.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 7:33 am

    @Betty Cracker: Hope you get to see some contrail action.

    I so prefer BBC. Gonna stay away from US produced news and a lot of the internets today.

  41. 41.

    kdaug

    December 4, 2014 at 7:41 am

    My mother wants to test my DNA at Christmas this year- she’s mid-70s and into genealogy now.

    Frankly I couldn’t care less. I know I’ve got some ladda-ladda ancestors but why is this important? She clearly cares about this more than I do, but is this just a retired folks thing? (I’m 47).

    My dog’s a mutt, I’m a mutt, tracing it back to my original Cro-Magnon source doesn’t help me in the least as far as I can tell.

    Is this just a hobby for olds?

  42. 42.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 7:44 am

    While we await Orion’s possible launch (2 hour window), Mr. Charles Pierce does not much like Mary Landrieu.

    Before she moves into her gleaming new office in whatever firm hires her to lobby for some extraction industry, we should treat Senator Mary Landrieu (D-Poison) to one last meal here at the Cafe. (By the way, my friend, Senator Ed Markey, sent me an e-mail today asking that I send Landrieu some dough so that the plucky little under-financed Bayou populist can hold off a flood of “special interest” money. Sorry, Ed. There’s an Air Supply CD that I need to buy.) It looks very much like Landrieu’s going to lose her runoff by approximately the width of Lake Pontchartrain. This, despite the fact that Landrieu is a much valued “centrist” and “bipartisan dealmaker” who can “reach across the aisle” and “get things done.” She has spent her entire career turning her coat so often that it’s a wonder the sleeves haven’t fallen off by now.

    Apparently, she did well last night in her one and only debate against Bill Cassidy, yet another of the apparently endless supply of wingnut physicians. (What are they teaching in med school anyway?)

    He originally called his post “Gumbo at the Stupid Cafe.”

    Pierce lambastes the pro-choice Landrieu for saying she has never “promoted” abortion. He’s tired of Democrats running from rights to privacy and family planning.

  43. 43.

    Baud

    December 4, 2014 at 7:49 am

    @Elizabelle:

    Udall in Colorado was a strong defender of abortion rights!

  44. 44.

    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 7:50 am

    @bemused: He is outraged and feels this is the one that should be the “poster child”.

  45. 45.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 7:51 am

    @Baud: I am still shocked Colorado elected Cory Gardner. What a black eye.

  46. 46.

    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 7:54 am

    @kdaug: We had a DNA test on the Bohdi!

  47. 47.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 7:56 am

    Orion launch window is maybe 75 mins, but mine is the 6 minutes left on BBC America, because would not dream of switching to American cable in hope they cover a space launch.

    Checking out the NASA channel …

  48. 48.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 8:01 am

    Yea, NASA channel. Picture of a rocket on a launch pad. Very little comment. Weather is the only issue. Hoping wind will turn easterly or velocity will lessen. 21 knots.

  49. 49.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    December 4, 2014 at 8:02 am

    @Elizabelle: Charlie’s a good guy, but he sometimes/too often goes overboard criticizing people that are actually on his side but not pure enough (for want of a better term) for him. E.g. Obama.

    Mary losing isn’t going to make it easier to win back the Senate in 2016.

    She’s not stupid. She wouldn’t have served as long as she has by being the female reincarnation of Howard Zinn.

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (Who has sent her some money.)

  50. 50.

    Baud

    December 4, 2014 at 8:02 am

    @Elizabelle:

    According to Maddow, Udall looked dour on the TV while Gardner smiled a lot. If I had a uterus, I’d gladly give up my control over it for a happier-looking Senator.

  51. 51.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 8:04 am

    @Elizabelle: Nasa.gov is my go-to source. Looks like it’s on hold until the weather settles down. Nary a breeze on my coast!

  52. 52.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 8:05 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Agree with you. Although I’d like to see Landrieu and others not waffle. If you’re on record supporting abortion rights, support them. Not like there’s not a record to consult. Talk up contraception and wanting to see less abortions through better healthcare access.

    (Although GOP voters have no trouble ignoring a record of action. See Colorado’s Senator-elect, Cory Gardner, as exhibit A there.)

  53. 53.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 8:07 am

    @Baud: Gardner is boyish handsome, and looks like a football jock turned car dealer. I guess that was enough for Colorado. Sheesh.

  54. 54.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 8:16 am

    New launch time set for 8:26 a.

  55. 55.

    Iowa Old Lady

    December 4, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Speaking of music, here’s Let It Snow cut together from clips of Star Trek: TNG.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrG4JnrN5GA

  56. 56.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    December 4, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Driftglass has a good piece up – Walking While Bradbury.

    :-(

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  57. 57.

    debbie

    December 4, 2014 at 8:20 am

    @PurpleGirl:

    I liked WNEW-FM too. Is (I may have the letters mixed up) WXRK still around? I remember listening to Vin Scelza’s “Idiot’s Delights” on Sunday nights. Great music choices, but man, that guy talked a alot.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    December 4, 2014 at 8:22 am

    @Baud:

    There’s something to what Pierce says, though. Democratic officeholders and candidates in Republican or 50/50 states need “a base”. They have to get to 45% relatively easily, because the way Democrats get the last mile is so labor-intensive. They don’t get the last mile by persuading “centrists”. They get the 5% by finding sporadic voters who lean Democratic.

    Who are her base in that state? She can’t just cobble one together every 6 years. Obviously it’s harder for Democrats in GOP or 50/50 states, but for Senators, who run statewide, there’s an opportunity for them to put together a very state-specific group of loyal voters around issues. They have to do that.

  59. 59.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 8:24 am

    @Elizabelle: So we’ll try this again!

    RE: Gardner’s boyish appeal — as disgusting as I find the reality show model of politics, it perversely comforting in a way because at least some of the ninnies who vote for these pricks are just choosing the pretty package, not the toxic product inside. Cold comfort, I’ll be the first to say…

  60. 60.

    kdaug

    December 4, 2014 at 8:24 am

    T -3
    (ETA for a space btwn T & -)

  61. 61.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 8:28 am

    Scrubbed again! Damn!

  62. 62.

    Kay

    December 4, 2014 at 8:32 am

    @Baud:

    My complaint with her is that she has to create her 45%. She can’t start behind every time she runs and hope for a “favorable climate” or a wave election. That part is really up to her. At some point you have to turn this over to the voters there. At some point it really IS a referendum on her.

  63. 63.

    Baud

    December 4, 2014 at 8:32 am

    @Kay:

    Louisiana isn’t a 50/50 state. It’s to Landrieu’s credit that she has been able to hold on this long.

  64. 64.

    skerry

    December 4, 2014 at 8:35 am

    @raven: Interesting article. I have a daughter who failed at college due to drinking. At 28, she is still trying to pull it together. She worries me.

    My college fake ID was a Pennsylvania license (no photo). Times have changed.

  65. 65.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Emailed a friend in the industry and he is AT the Cape. Looking at a rocket on a pad. Like all of us.

    Lovely day in Florida. Sunny and cool here in DC area. Wet leaves down in yard; too wet to do anything about them today.

    Was thinking of a morning matinee of “Force Majeure” at 9:50, but rocket might still be sitting there then. What’s an unemployed wastrel to do?

  66. 66.

    Baud

    December 4, 2014 at 8:37 am

    @Kay:

    I believe her primary base is black voters in New Orleans, who tend to be religious and not necessarily gung ho about abortion rights, IMHO.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    December 4, 2014 at 8:39 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    We need to run better-looking Democrats?

    Fine. I’ll think about running in 2016.

  68. 68.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 8:42 am

    @Baud: Maybe she soft-pedals, then, by talking up birth control and having their daughters (and sons!) finish education and get a good start in life before turning to parenthood? It’s the same coin.

    You would think that at some point the GOP gets toxic enough that “centrist” voters won’t touch it.

    Also, a runoff favors those with a habit of voters who vote.

  69. 69.

    bemused

    December 4, 2014 at 8:42 am

    @raven:

    I did catch that at the repeat at 7am. Finally protesters he can tolerate.

  70. 70.

    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 8:43 am

    @skerry: One of the things that sent me into the Army on my 17th was getting busted with a sheet of documents we used to buy that had driver’s license, draft card, ss card, USMC discharhe card and something else. You just typed the shit in and away you went. When I got rousted by the cops when I was hammered at the “youth center” I puked on the dude after he slammed me into the wall and then just handed him my wallet. The fake draft card was federal so they had no problem adding up all my crimes and sending me of. You know, “got in a little hometown jam, sent me off. . . “

  71. 71.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 8:43 am

    @Baud: Yeah, everyone keeps begging me to jump into the race too. There’s just no rest for us beautiful people, is there?

  72. 72.

    PurpleGirl

    December 4, 2014 at 8:44 am

    @debbie: I’m not sure. I don’t play the radio much anymore. I play CDs or cassette tapes.

  73. 73.

    skerry

    December 4, 2014 at 8:46 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Thanks. I hadn’t seen that before.

  74. 74.

    beth

    December 4, 2014 at 8:48 am

    @debbie: WNEW was my go to station as a teenager. I keep running into their old dj’s on different stations when I get to listen to satellite radio.

  75. 75.

    rikyrah

    December 4, 2014 at 8:48 am

    Anyone made any inquiries as to HOW this man got a job on the Cleveland Police Force?

    And I want to know how many BLACK applicants were turned down for this obviously unqualified candidate.

    ……………..

    Cleveland officer who killed boy, 12, was previously deemed unfit for duty

    The rookie Cleveland police officer who fatally shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month had been deemed unfit for duty at a previous police department and was in the process of being fired when he resigned from his post, according to records released Wednesday.

    Cleveland police have said Officer Timothy Loehmann, 26, shot Tamir as the boy held a toy gun at a recreation center on Nov. 22. Video released last week of the incident shows Loehmann and his partner, Frank Garmback, driving up within feet of Rice, then Loehmann shooting him at close-range seconds later.

    Both officers were placed on paid administrative leave, and an investigation into the shooting is ongoing.

    Last week, police identified Loehmann as having fired the fatal shot. According to The Associated Press, Loehmann has been a Cleveland police officer since March. Before that, he spent five months in 2012 with the police department in the Ohio suburb of Independence, about 13 miles south of Cleveland. Four of those five months were spent in the police academy, the AP reported.

    According to Loehmann’s personnel records, released by the city of Independence, police officials were in the process of firing him when he resigned in December 2012. Supervisors described an emotionally unstable recruit with a “lack of maturity” and “inability to perform basic functions as instructed” during a weapons-training exercise.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cleveland-officer-who-killed-boy-12-was-previously-deemed-unfit-for-duty/ar-BBgj757?ocid=HPCDHP

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    Baud

    December 4, 2014 at 8:50 am

    @Elizabelle:

    If she soft peddles, then she is back to being criticized by Pierce.

    You would think that at some point the GOP gets toxic enough that “centrist” voters won’t touch it.

    I’m not so sure, not unless the economy crashes like it did with W.

  77. 77.

    skerry

    December 4, 2014 at 8:51 am

    @raven: My father entered the USAF as an option between that and jail time. He says his biggest accomplishment as an Airman was getting a good conduct medal.

  78. 78.

    Baud

    December 4, 2014 at 8:51 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    It’s a curse.

  79. 79.

    Baud

    December 4, 2014 at 8:52 am

    @rikyrah:

    And I want to know how many BLACK applicants were turned down for this obviously unqualified candidate.

    All of them, Katie.

  80. 80.

    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 8:55 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good question. I hope we get an answer.

    Interesting to me how quickly the PD put it out they were investigating this shooting. Not unqualified support for the officers involved. They knew they had a problem officer. And he performed as expected.

    Tamir Rice will be a court case. Never even a high schooler.

  81. 81.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 8:55 am

    @rikyrah: I read something about that yesterday. The Cleveland PD’s lame-ass response is that they weren’t required to look into Loehmann’s performance, so they just verified that he had worked at the other PD and called it a day. What a crock of shit. IIRC, Loehmann’s father was a cop, so that’s probably all it took to strap a gun on him and send him on his way.

  82. 82.

    Gene108

    December 4, 2014 at 8:58 am

    @Kay:

    I think you want the impossible.

    Republicans have galvanized their core supporters on single-issue or a series of single-issue policies that appeal to them, such as banning abortion, expanding gun access, and so on.

    There are no equivalent issues that connect with any potential group of Democratic voters that would be a base for a politician.

    For example, Bill Clinton went hard left in getting the Brady Bill and assault weapons ban passed and trying to get gays to serve openly in the military. This did not sit well with a good chunk of the Democratic base and did not drive up participation from non-disaffected groups.

    Environmentalists do not support the Keystone XL pipeline.

    Unions, such as pipe fitters, want the damn thing built.

    A Democratic politician has to pick a side and will lose votes from one group or the other.

    Also, there are no single issue topics, like fun control, a Democratic voter will drag themselves across broken glass to vote for or against.

    A bunch of stuff is popular, but the attitude of supporters is, “it’s a good idea but…meh…as long as I do not get inconvenienced too much.”

    Democratic politicians, I think, are a reflection of likely Democratic voters; a cross-section of people, who have widely different interests and goals that often compete against each other and so the politician has to find some non-committal middle ground to attract or not offend the broadest cross section of the disparate likely voters.

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    kdaug

    December 4, 2014 at 9:04 am

    @Betty Cracker: God is a Bullet

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    raven

    December 4, 2014 at 9:06 am

    @skerry: I missed that one somehow!

  85. 85.

    skerry

    December 4, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Not a parody account

    St. Louis County PDVerified account
    ‏@stlcountypd
    Kids will be Kids?

    On November 22nd 2014, a Cleveland Police Officer shot 12 year old Tamir Rice who had his… http://fb.me/3wxWLK8MB

  86. 86.

    Kay

    December 4, 2014 at 9:16 am

    @Gene108:

    I think I’m realistic about it. I don’t kid myself that just anyone who does everything right and adopts a liberal line will win by the pure power of the progressive vision. I think Democrats in 50/50 or GOP states have to be more talented and smarter about it than a Democrat who runs in a Democratic state. There aren’t that many really talented people. They’re unusual, even among the tiny group of people who get as far as running for Senate.

    I think the mistake Pierce makes is he thinks it’s easy and there’s a huge group of people who can do it if they just say the right things. It’s not easy and there aren’t that many people who can do it. They have to be really good.

    I draw a distinction between first-time candidates in a state like GA or KY and those who have already been elected. I think Democrats who have been in Congress should be able to maintain a core group of voters and build on that, and if they can’t, I start to think maybe they shouldn’t get re-elected. I don’t know why Louisiana voters don’t want to keep her as a Senator. Maybe she should look at why that is. It’s probably more productive than blaming voters for not voting for her.

  87. 87.

    beth

    December 4, 2014 at 9:16 am

    @skerry: Wow, just wow. Is there any intelligent life in St Louis County?

  88. 88.

    beth

    December 4, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Look at Newsmax. Chris Rock had that interview the other day where, I thought, he said some really smart, thoughtful things about race relations. Of course all Newsmax takes from it is that Rock says liberal Hollywood is racist. Sigh.

  89. 89.

    Kay

    December 4, 2014 at 9:30 am

    @Gene108:

    And she doesn’t have to put all those varied groups together (Democratic Presidents do, but not Senators). She just has to win one statewide race on national issues. Admittedly that’s difficult, but it’s a lot narrower than “national Democratic constituencies”. It’s different for every state. Sherrod Brown can win with labor plus AA Democrats plus Lefties. That wouldn’t work in Louisiana. Brown doesn’t do that much outreach for Latinos because Ohio doesn’t have a large Latino population as a percentage. She has to figure out what her groups are, and maintain and build on them, I think.

  90. 90.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 4, 2014 at 9:39 am

    @Tommy:

    Have you tried 107.3 FM? They went on the air about a year ago with a classical music format after the other station was bought out.

  91. 91.

    lamh36

    December 4, 2014 at 9:41 am

    @raven:

    Cause only “good ones” don’t deserve to be killed by police.

    Fuck Killer Joe.

    And how much ya wanna bet it just sticks in his craw that he can’t call Rev Al a race hustler like his GOP brethren? Cause ya know if Al wasnt on MSNBC Killer Joe would be no different than any other conservative when it comes to Al Sharpton.

    Again Fuck him.

  92. 92.

    beltane

    December 4, 2014 at 9:43 am

    @beth: I’m not going to read Newmax, but there is a kernel for truth in the claim that Hollywood is racist, or at least is guilty of promoting racist memes for many decades. The beloved genre of violent “super-cop” blockbusters is not exactly liberal in nature. Hollywood execs might be personally liberal as a group, but much of the product they sell to the public is quasi-authoritarian (though highly entertaining) garbage. This is probably not what bothers Newmax…

  93. 93.

    FlipYrWhig

    December 4, 2014 at 9:44 am

    @Kay:

    I think the mistake Pierce makes is he thinks it’s easy and there’s a huge group of people who can do it if they just say the right things.

    Almost everyone in the liberal blogosphere thinks it’s that easy, and that Democrats would win most every election if they were confident and vocal and “real,” and that it’s their collective wishy-washy/all-things-to-all-people-ness that dooms them to losing. My view is that confident and vocal and real _about the wrong things_ is just as doom-bringing, probably more so. You’ll just have a very happy 35% of the population behind you, rather than a meh 43%. That’s still a lopsided loss.

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    Elizabelle

    December 4, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Orion launch scrubbed until tomorrow.

  95. 95.

    FlipYrWhig

    December 4, 2014 at 9:49 am

    @Kay: Isn’t one of Landrieu’s groups oil and gas workers and management? That’s why she’s pro-pipeline and pro-Gulf drilling.

  96. 96.

    beltane

    December 4, 2014 at 9:51 am

    The problem is that the more toxic the GOP becomes, the less likely the “center” is to show up and vote at all.It’s not just the Republicans who become tainted by their behavior, but all politicians. Unless someone is highly informed and committed to the democratic process, the natural response to our feces and pus covered political landscape is to tune out entirely.

  97. 97.

    FlipYrWhig

    December 4, 2014 at 9:55 am

    @beltane: I think eventually what’s going to happen is that there’ll be another Perot-like candidacy predicated on outsider-dom and cutting the bullshit. A business person or a career military officer without an obvious partisan affiliation. Moderates will lust and the media will swoon. I feel like David Petraeus was setting up to be that guy until his scandal.

  98. 98.

    Tenar Darell

    December 4, 2014 at 9:55 am

    @skerry: @beth: And it’s no longer available. Oh oh, looks like someone woke up. Anyone grab a screenshot?

  99. 99.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2014 at 10:04 am

    @Tenar Darell: Damn! I saw it and didn’t grab a screenshot. Wonder if it’s cached…

  100. 100.

    Frankensteinbeck

    December 4, 2014 at 10:08 am

    @Gene108:
    A big part of this is that we’re not crazy racists. The GOP has deliberately gone after the section of the population that doesn’t care what’s true and doesn’t care what works. They want ‘abstinence only education’, chanting ‘sex is bad’, and if you point out that it increases teen pregnancy they look at you blankly. Democrats care about governing and results and facts and want to help people. That means complicated positions hotly debated between us, not rage-creating soundbites or screaming terror that darkies infected with ebola will kill us all. We cannot play their game and remain Democrats, just like they can’t give up the racism and stay Republicans. It’s a defining trait of who we are. It is our actual positions.

    @beltane:
    Hollywood is racist as all fuck. It’s so racist that they slavishly promote token minorities in a ‘But my best friend is black!’ attempt to cover over endless racial and gender stereotypes and casting decisions like making everyone white except the bad guys in an adaptation from an original source where nobody was white at all.

  101. 101.

    D58826

    December 4, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Man bites dog story from S. Carolina – the former Eutawville police chief was indicted for shooting an unarmed black man in the local court house. They had gotten into an argument over a traffic ticket and the chief shot the victim twice. A small ray of hope, maybe.

  102. 102.

    Tripod

    December 4, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Her “base” was rural Cajuns and New Orleans. The former are in decline as a culture group and voting bloc, and post Obama identify as white Americans, and the latter are now living in Houston, Chicago, etc.

    Things change, and sometimes there ain’t no way out.

    If she was the cynical hack Pierce and some of y’all make her out to be, it would have been easy enough to jump to the other side.

  103. 103.

    beltane

    December 4, 2014 at 10:20 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: Hollywood is the slickest propaganda outfit ever to have existed. Racism has been their bread and butter from the very earliest days of the film industry. Hollywoods liberalism is mostly a sham.

  104. 104.

    ruemara

    December 4, 2014 at 10:25 am

    I have an interview at a company I am not enthused about, for a position that probably would not be worth it as a career choice. My urge to get out of “here” is growing to expand past this apartment, this town to this country in the face of last night’s Eric Garner decision and frankly, moving up to this planet.

  105. 105.

    skerry

    December 4, 2014 at 10:39 am

    @Betty Cracker: The folks at mashable have it.

    Simply unbelievable.

  106. 106.

    skerry

    December 4, 2014 at 10:47 am

    @skerry: And, of course, the police are saying the account was hacked. That is, their Facebook page was hacked. Then their twitter feed was hacked. I hate it when that happens.

  107. 107.

    gene108

    December 4, 2014 at 10:50 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    The GOP has deliberately gone after the section of the population that doesn’t care what’s true and doesn’t care what works. They want ‘abstinence only education’, chanting ‘sex is bad’, and if you point out that it increases teen pregnancy they look at you blankly.

    And these are the folks, who are willing to turn out every 2 years to vote for them. They did not do this overnight. When Reagan gave the fundies a seat at the table, the fundies had started to organize into a political force through direct mail operations and using fundie churches as a means to reach out to potential voters.

    They’ve built up a dedicated base that will vote for them no matter what.

    Democrats care about governing and results and facts and want to help people.

    Democratic policies generally tend to not destroy people the way GOP policies do, but Democrats do not register with most voters as a Party that wants to help the little guy.

    This is one reason there are so many irregular voters, who sometimes vote for Democrats because most Democrats do not come off as representing their interest, hopes and ideals.

    The Democrats have partly been constrained by the right-wing noise machine and the MSM as being out of touch, partly the party needs to make sure business does not pour millions into defeating their candidates (read somewhere that Wall Street, after backing Obama and the Democrats in 2008, poured over $100 million to oust Democrats in 2010) so populism becomes a double-edged sword*, and by the very nature of having to be a politician you end up with a certain level of butt-kissing, flattery and corruption that turns the general public away from politics in general.

    * You can pass a law that helps millions of people financially, like say heatlhcare reform, and hope voters notice but you can be guaranteed if you do this in a manner that pisses off business, business will notice and will actively work against you. And as we can see with the impact the PPACA had on the 2014 elections, Democrats should not hold their breath hoping populist policies that actually help people will result in votes.

  108. 108.

    Paul in KY

    December 4, 2014 at 10:53 am

    @Gene108: Good points, Gene.

  109. 109.

    Paul in KY

    December 4, 2014 at 10:56 am

    @FlipYrWhig: The workers might be in her group. management is not. I think she’s pro those things as a way of taking an issue away from her Republican opponent, who most assuredly is for those things.

  110. 110.

    Paul in KY

    December 4, 2014 at 10:58 am

    @ruemara: What part of USA are you in, ruemara?

  111. 111.

    gene108

    December 4, 2014 at 11:01 am

    @Kay:

    And she doesn’t have to put all those varied groups together (Democratic Presidents do, but not Senators). She just has to win one statewide race on national issues.

    But this is the problem Democrats have versus Republicans.

    Republicans have created a national brand, if you will, that automatically lets voters know they will not raise taxes, will work to make sure you can take your gun wherever you want and use it whenever you want to, and so on.

    What they do may not be working well for you, but you know what you are going to get upfront.

    Each Democrat in each state has to build their own identity and if there is a prominent national Democratic figure, like a sitting President, it may either help or hurt you. You are on your own developing your identity to your voters, whereas the Republican is just part of a chain that many people are satisfied with.

    She still has to put together a group, basically on her own, that can get her 50%+1 of the vote.

    What liberals hope for, in stating politicians need to have a vocal liberal platform, is to copy the Republicans and develop a national brand for Democrats. I do not think that can work from the top down, where all the Democrats stay on script. The Republicans built themselves up by having the fundies work from the bottom up to take over state and local politics and make sure their church goers voters turned out to vote and flooded their Congressman’s office with phone calls on the outrage of the day.

    I’m not sure, if liberals have the displine or patience to spend 35+ years to build up this national identity for Democrats the way the fundies have for Republicans.

  112. 112.

    john fremont

    December 4, 2014 at 11:13 am

    @Tommy: I saw the Meters on a bill with Robert Randolph & the Family Band here in Denver. A friend of mine’s reaction was the same thing; how come these guys aren’t more popular? This friend was a headbanger too. He broadened his listening tastes to include soul and R&B after that show.

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