I am about halfway through the report, and I simply can not believe what I am reading. There is honestly nothing that Hayden has not lied about. Nothing. I know we are never going to force that man to see the inside of a jail cell, but he ought to at least have his pension removed. Scumbag.
Speaking of scumbags, check out this guy named Ben Edelman, a professor at Harvard, who is raising sheer hell against a family run Chinese take-out business because their online menu was not the same as the in-store menu, so he was overcharged by… $4 dollars. He is, of course, a lawyer, and surprisingly not an MBA as well.
NotMax
Per the article linked, it is Edelman, not Adelman.
Baud
How do you say “dick” in Chinese?
JPL
CBS evening news spent a few minutes discussing the report and using the word torture. They then showed 9/11 footage and a previous clip of George Tenet saying he will do whatever it takes to protect Americans. Mike Morell then came on to discuss all the errors in the report. I turned it off at that point. It was sickening.
An innocent man died of hypothermia and CBS new gave most of the broadcast to the CIA to defend.
Omnes Omnibus
Jesus, Edelman’s pic looks like it came off of one my fraternity’s composites from the 80s.
Baud
FWIW, I’m sad that there won’t be prosecutions, but I’m opposed to the idea that pensions should be taken away as a sanction.
aimai
Edelman’s a socipath but I actually think, in the end, that someone in his family or among his friends is going to call him out and force him to drop the lawsuit. I can’t believe it even made it onto TPM. I mean: people are stupid all over this country. What makes this newsworthy? anyone can sue anyone in this country, and they frequently do. Its just not news.
Baud
Looking at his website, online advertising is this guy’s profession.
Citizen Scientist
Ugh. Two local legislators are furious over the “slap in the face” that PSU president Barron executed by raising his hands up in solidarity during a protest over Ferguson. He really “threw LE under the bus” with that one. Please.
Just Some Fuckhead
Ran Duan is lucky to get this kind of free publicity courtesy of a world-class douchebag.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Citizen Scientist: We’re going to need more buses before we see justice.
Mike in NC
Edelman should consider a future in politics. Douchebag.
Incitatus for Senate
@Baud: Sure, I mean torturing is wrong, but taking away a pension? That would be impolite.
Big ole hound
Or why Jewish layers get ridiculed. This snob has decided he will not communicate with a non lawyer. I hope Harvard steps in and forces this jackass out of his job.
Felonius Monk
#bgedelmanIsAShithead
Corner Stone
Take away his pension? That is laughable in the extreme.
Hayden has become wealthy beyond the dreams of most Americans during his tenure. He has no need of a pittance pension.
Betty Cracker
MBAs will be the ruination of this country. Mark my words, whippersnappers!
beth
Holy hell, he’s asking for triple damages. He wants $12 credited back to his card. What a prick.
Baud
@Incitatus for Senate:
That’s a silly response. Torturing people is wrong, and it should (but won’t) result in jail time. Taking away people’s pensions should be off the table, IMHO. I’m not opposed to a general monetary penalty, even if it has a deleterious effect on a criminal’s retirement. But I don’t think pensions should be singled out as valid basis for punishment.
Cervantes
The restaurant — I am familiar with the Brookline location — is a more or less sleepy little joint that offers reasonably authentic, and reasonably good, food — and the staff is good-natured to a fault.
Ben Edelman is an embarrassment.
Mike E
CIA Asst Deputy John McLaughlin was on NPR ATC…that motherfucker was unapologetic and on the offensive, calling the report a Dem hit job that cherry picked elements to mischaracterize a valuable program. Awesome, thanks a pantload NPR.
Tree With Water
I am looking forward to hearing what Hillary Clinton has to say about Torture Inc.
Omnes Omnibus
@Big ole hound:
Quoi?
There actually are rules that prevent lawyers from talking to adverse party who they know are represented by counsel. Edelman is a dick and quite possibly a snob, but not for that. OTOH, continuing to correspond with the guy after he said that was pretty dumb.
What if he is very good professor but a crappy person?
Cervantes
@Betty Cracker:
Edelman is an economist, a statistician, a lawyer, and an embarrassment — but he does not have an MBA.
Baud
I didn’t read the whole article, but why didn’t the restaurant just credit Edelman the $4? Not saying Edelman isn’t a jerk, but it seems like he had a valid initial point about the website prices?
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: As a retired general, he could conceivably be recalled to active duty for a court martial. One of the possible penalties upon conviction by a court martial is forfeiture of pension and benefits.
Mike J
Why does he believe that because the price listed online is different from the price in the restaurant he was overcharged?
ira-NY
My guess is Edelman is one of those guys who excelled in the classroom, but flunked recess.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
I just don’t like seeing vested pension benefits being treated as a lessor form of property, in any setting.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: They offered him the three dollars they mistakenly believed they owed him and the error apparently set him off, causing him to demand that the meal be half price. It spiraled from there.
Roger Moore
@Baud:
My local Chinese market uses “pizzle”, but that’s to talk about a “specialty” meat.
Incitatus for Senate
@Baud: If you’re going to be an apologist for these people, why don’t you be honest about it? The traditional penalty for what these people have done ranges from decades in prison to the death penalty. And your whining about somebody maybe losing their pension? A soldier breaks the law, they get a bad conduct discharge and lose their pension. But we can’t have that happening to a rich powerful white guy, can we? Punishment is for the little people.
Baud
@Incitatus for Senate:
Well since I’m not going to be an apologist for these people, the rest of your comment is worthless.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thanks. So we’re back to Edelman being a dick.
Botsplainer
Just fucking shoot me. There’s a community band playing all the Time-Life Christmas hits of the last 50 years at my YMCA, upper exercise level.
They suck. Half the instruments are out of tune, they’re accompanied by a solitary snare drum played by some zitted up teen who occasionally segues to wood blocks and cowbell. And they’re loud.
Worst part is that they brought an audience of cranky old hags in Santa hats and ugly sweaters, Christer moms, dads and teens in antler heads, none of whom has ever graced a gym because they glared at me as I walked through between them and the band to work out (no choice – I’m a rude fucker but not THAT rude). Anyway, left my headphones in the locker, and I don’t want to get glared at again, so I’m doing Modern Family by closed caption.
Omnes Omnibus
@Incitatus for Senate:
And wild mischaracterization is for Incitatus.
@Baud:
Yep.
Schlemazel
@Betty Cracker:
What do you mean WILL BE? they already are.
Gene108
As the old saying goes 99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Douchebag lawyer lawsuits, the below link for the lawyer, who sewed a dry cleaner for misplacing his pants and whe they found his pants refused to take the back.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_v._Chung
bago
America Ass Hummus.
PurpleGirl
I’m taking it that the Chinese restaurant is a small, family run place with a few tables and it mostly does take-out orders. (I’m eating Chinese food from just such a place as I type…) It is possible that someone made the web site, or it’s part of a local alliance of small take-out places. And there is no one to change prices if they go up at the store front. Maybe they should have put on a disclaimer of the variability of prices.
Trentrunner
So let’s see:
Police killing of unarmed black men and boys. No indictments.
Rape at UVA and via The Coz. No indictments.
Torture propagated by the American govt. at the highest levels. No indictments.
Murder. Rape. Torture. No punishment.
America! Fuck YEAH!
Corner Stone
Not to be an Edelman about it or anything. But local places around here pretty consistently try to charge unusual prices for meals, especially to go.
I just point it out, get it corrected, and go home.
GregB
I have sneaking suspicion that Richard Engle might have slept with General Petreaus.
Botsplainer
@Botsplainer:
Forgot the best part – the grumpy hags and Christers are also chewing on pound cake, cheap cookies and sugary punch.
At the fucking gym.
Baud
@PurpleGirl:
We wouldn’t want big corporations to do with this family-run restaurant did, without being subject to suit, so in that limited sense I’m sympathetic to Edelman. But this isn’t a big company, and the restaurant apparently offered to refund the difference, so the atmospherics are just horrible.
Incitatus for Senate
@Omnes Omnibus: You know, those dumb bastards who tortured prisoners at Abu Ghraib lost their pensions, why is Hayden any different?
Mike J
@Botsplainer: Would it be better if they had expensive cookies?
Anne Laurie
Local jingoism requires me to point out that Professor Edelman is at Harvard Business School, which is not Harvard. From everything that’s said about HBS, a douchecanoe thesis like Edelman’s here is probably a requirement for tenure.
(Also, I understand that one accepts the delivery options available, but I’ve eaten at the Woburn branch of the restaurant and IMO it’s absolutely, perfectly mediocre. If we’re eating out, we drive the extra ten minutes to SuChang‘s, which is excellent.)
Schlemazel
@Baud:
Diǎo
which to my damaged western ears sounds like DE-yow with a downward lilt on the yow part
Baud
@Incitatus for Senate:
It shouldn’t be. But if that’s the rule, I accept it, and agree that high-level officials shouldn’t be treated differently. But it would take some convincing for me to accept that that should be the rule.
Mike J
@Incitatus for Senate: The people from Abu Gharib were active duty and faced courts martial. He could lose his pension, if he is recalled to duty to face a court martial. Just like Omnes said.
Omnes Omnibus
@PurpleGirl:
Per the exchange of emails, they did have one. Edelman argues that such a disclaimer is valid for minor variations in pricing but not for across the board price increases on a website that, by Duan’s own admission had not been update for too long and was out of date. It’s actually fucking hilarious.
Betty Cracker
@Cervantes: You’re right; I misread the OP. All I can say is, he should be. Might as well add the douche-canoe cherry to the odious prick sundae…
Botsplainer
@Mike J:
HFCS and preservatives do not a good cookie make.
Besides, it’s the gym. You’d think somebody could have put an elbow and spoon to a mixing bowl.
Elizabelle
Meanwhile, Ran Duan, of the Chinese restaurant, sounds brilliant at what he does. He trained at Johnson and Wales, is renowned in Boston for his creative cocktails, all his bar’s bitters and mixers are made in house, he literally carves his own ice cubes with a bandsaw. Restaurant filled with antiques, including vintage bar glasses. Ran himself sports some beautiful ink. Cool guy.
Article from Boston Magazine.
GQ magazine has honored him as most imaginative bartender.
I’m not sure Attorney/Professor Edelman is doing as much for his profession.
lamh36
So wait, was it just Powell they withheld info from, or did they also withhold in from Condi as well. For some reason, I don’t think they would have? Condi Rice always seemed like a part of the inner circle, more so than Colin Powell ever seem to be.
Omnes Omnibus
@Incitatus for Senate: I did not say he was and all Baud said was that he was generally opposed to taking someone’s pension as a punishment. Your suggestion that he was, therefore, an apologist for Hayden was a wild mischaracterization. That’s all I was saying.
Baud
@efgoldman:
That’s fine. I’m not going to lose sleep if that somehow happens here. Like I said upthread, I don’t understand why earned benefits should be treated from any other form of property. Jail them and/or fine them as punishment.
Anne Laurie
@Incitatus for Senate: Hey, “we” ruined Lynndie England’s life — wasn’t that enough to demonstrate that nobody is above the law?
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: No, unfortunately what he is doing is purely lawyerly shitty behavior.
Mike J
@Botsplainer: I’m sorry their attempt at holidaying didn’t meet your standards. Why don’t you stop by Dean & DeLuca on your way in next time and show the classless how it’s done?
Cervantes
@Betty Cracker:
His uncle is Peter Edelman, the Kennedy aide who subsequently resigned his post in the Clinton Administration to protest “welfare reform.”
And Peter is married to well-known children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman.
Whereas Ben is, as I say, an embarrassment.
And no, he does not yet have tenure. He comes up for review at the end of next year.
GregB
@Trentrunner: You forgot: Summary execution for petty cigar and cigarette theft.
I am starting to think that our American experience may be close to having a curtain call.
skerry
@Mike J: Hayden was active duty (3 stars) as DIRNSA and got the 4th star when went to DNI as deputy. Was active duty when he began as DCI. He retired as a 4 star General USAF during his time at CIA. Continued as DCI as civilian for not quite another year after retirement.
His USAF pension should definitely be on the table if he ever faces punishment. (not holding my breath)
Anne Laurie
@Botsplainer:
Well, it’s a Y. They’ve dropped the “Christian” and “Association” from their header, but you don’t get to take advantage of their exercise equipment and also whinge that some members choose to enjoy themselves in ways of which you don’t approve.
You want a “better” clientele that will conform to your exacting standards, find an upscale private gym, and pay for it.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman:
I am sure that is true of the orchestra people, but band?
Elizabelle
@Cervantes: I don’t think this is going to look good at untenured Mr. Edelman’s review.
Using your legal acuity to harrass local small business? And leave a massive papertrail. Uh, no.
(Am guessing Ran Duan of the Chinese restaurant orchestrated the document dump. Refreshing, with a twist.)
Cervantes
@efgoldman:
It’s in the Village. Been around for twenty years or so.
Omnes Omnibus
@Cervantes: I’ve always found the elder Edelmans (Edelmen/Edelmanen/Edelmanim?) to be rather admirable; their nephew seems less so.
Cervantes
@Botsplainer:
My unsolicited advice: It’s difficult enough to feel good in this world. Other things being equal, don’t grudge them the attempt.
KG
@Tree With Water: she will speak up shortly, right after everyone else has had a chance to speak, and public opinion has settled. Because that’s what leaders do!
srv
@Botsplainer: I thought you were talking about BJ for a minute there.
Elizabelle
Could Mr. Hayden face perjury charges?
And I think some of his pension should indeed be on the table.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: The Connies (Conservatory of Music students) and theater people at Lawrence usually had access to the best/most drugs.
eemom
First I thought there was something incongruous about a post combining “scumbag” torturers with a “scumbag” two-bit run of the mill lawyer/MBA asshole filing a frivolous lawsuit……but then I thought, nah.
Omnes Omnibus
@eemom: He’s not an MBA; Cole’s wording was unclear, but there’s no MBA on his CV. If you haven’t read the string of emails in the linked article, you owe it to yourself to do so. It’s hilarious in a sad way.
Quaker in a Basement
Edelman dude needs a less annoying hobby.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: We were in very different armies.
Southern Beale
Ha ha ha ha ha. Chuck C. Johnson outed the wrong person. What a buffooon.
Cervantes
@Quaker in a Basement:
Actually, it’s his job …
srv
@efgoldman: congress will give him a fifth star and Obama will give him a medal of freedom. Presuming he doesn’t have one already.
beltane
I feel sick. Darkest hour is before the dawn and all that, but we are probably nowhere near the darkest hour. My husband is badgering me about claiming my dual-citizenship and leaving. Speaking of which, it is very expensive to obtain documents from certain states these days and if someone needs these documents to be able to vote, they might find themselves in the hole for quite a bit of money. I’m not sure if I’m feeling shame or disgust but whatever it is, it’s not good.
skerry
Mike Hayden interview with Politico – “Michael Hayden is Not Sorry”
Omnes Omnibus
@Southern Beale: A dangerous buffoon. Some of the flying monkey brigade on the right are going to swarm all over the wrong girl – noting that the actual Jackie does not deserve to be swarmed either.
Southern Beale
Anthony Romero of the ACLU had an op-ed in today’s NYT calling on Obama to pardon everyone involved in torture because at least that way we would establish that a crime had been committed.
That just seems like such a low bar. “At least we could establish a crime had been committed,” like we hadn’t known torture was a crime? Unbelievable.
Baud
@Southern Beale:
Weren’t people expecting exactly that outcome?
beltane
@Southern Beale: I’d like to laugh at him but I’m too horrified. In his world, any woman participating in a slut walk is a woman who needs to be taught a lesson. We are surrounded by bullies, cowards, and sociopaths.
Southern Beale
Who hasn’t wanted to eat through a rectal “feeding tube” amiright, people?
Baud
@Southern Beale:
I saw that mentioned in the earlier thread. I don’t mind debating it because at least it gets people talking about the Bush torture regime. But in the end I don’t think Obama should do it.
Cervantes
@Southern Beale:
Something can be (known to be) a crime but knowing that Jerks 1 and 2 and 3 committed the crime is quite a separate thing.
Jebediah, RBG
@Omnes Omnibus:
It may have been half the price of the meal, but he specifically was demanding treble damages as allowed “for certain intentional violations.” He’s not just a douche, but a very strict letter-of-the-law douche.
Southern Beale
@beltane:
He’s a total narcissist. He’s always wrong yet doesn’t care about being wrong. I just don’t get that.
Omnes Omnibus
@beltane:
We are also surrounded by decent people who take in abandoned animals, volunteer for good causes, and simply try to live their lives well. Focusing only on the parade of horrors leads to despair.
skerry
@Southern Beale: From the Politico interview with Hayden:
Southern Beale
@Baud:
I sorta agree with the position that a country that pardon torture will not stand up for justice anywhere, and that emboldens people like, well, the Ferguson PD for example. We have to draw the line somewhere.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jebediah, RBG: Yeah, that part is included in my remark about it spiraling.
beltane
@Southern Beale: There are stories going around that he really stank up the joint in college: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/wait-did-clowntroll-blogger-chuck-johnson-shit-on-the-1668919746
srv
@beltane: well, nothing personal, but Austin is overcrowded.
My only experience with torture is the Bergstrom exit light.
Baud
@Southern Beale:
And pointless. Pardoning people who aren’t asking for a pardon and aren’t even willing to admit what they did was wrong would not establish that a crime was committed or anything else.
Southern Beale
@beltane:
Oh good lord, he went to CMC. Jesus. I went to Pitzer. Our campuses are, like, right next to each other. Part of the Claremont Colleges. But we are worlds apart, ideologically.
Of course, I graduated long before he was born, too.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: A pardon in return for a complete and detailed description of the illegal activities that s/he committed. Anything that subsequently comes out that is not in the confession is fair game for prosecution. that is some thing I could discuss.
Keith G
@Southern Beale: I love that in Chuck’s picture, he is sporting the Wayfarer knock off glasses that can be had at your local bodega for under a sawbuck.
Okay…My Google news feed just won the internets tonight with this headline courtesy of NBC:
‘Rectal Hydration’: Inside the CIA’s Interrogation of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
Drop the mic and leave the stage.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
That seems right, at a minimum. But I think it’s a non-starter. All the pardonees would probably just wait to see if the GOP wins the presidency in 2016.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud:
I agree. But no one is going to ask either of us anyway.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
True. And that goes a long way toward explaining why the world is in the shape it’s currently in.
Booger
@Trentrunner: But don’t f*ck wid the chinese carryout food.
Elmo
@Omnes Omnibus:
None of those people are in power.
Bobby Thomson
@Anne Laurie:
Local jingoism sounds pretty ignorant, since it’s the graduate business school of Harvard University.
Hard cases make bad law. If a Chinese immigrant were being charged a different price for web orders than Wal-Mart advertised on their website, I guarantee most of you would be singing a different tune. Yes, the optics of this are terrible (I seriously doubt that the restaurant does enough volume to have overcharged a substantial number of people), but I don’t think the takeaway should be to mock consumer protection laws or those who use them.
Anne Laurie
@Southern Beale:
Just linked to Romero’s op-ed, in the new post up top.
He’s not real happy with the current administration either, sounds like.
Anne Laurie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Quoted for truth.
People have brought up South Africa’s Truth & Reconciliation Commission. But there’s a reason the words come in that order — truth first, then reconciliation.
Omnes Omnibus
@Bobby Thomson:
I’ve done consumer litigation, and I think that resorting to litigation in this case is simply wrong. And it would be even if the numbers were higher. The restaurant is clearly taking steps to rectify the problem (taking the menu down until it is updated, offering a refund, etc.). What public good would be accomplished that was not accomplished by simply contacting the owner?
Bobby Thomson
@Omnes Omnibus: I agree that actually filing a complaint was pushing it too far, assuming they had taken corrective steps before then. At that point he’s just wasting everyone’s time.
eemom
@Bobby Thomson:
Solid, intelligent points both. Are you perhaps new to what passes for logic around here?
Omnes Omnibus
@Bobby Thomson: From the order of the emails, it seems that the corrective actions were offered voluntarily as soon as the issue was raised.
Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason
@Southern Beale: HMC here, and yeah, graduated long before this a$$hole graced the planet.
Anne Laurie
@Bobby Thomson:
The relationship between Harvard and HBS are as fraught (if on a much more minor scale) than those between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Just wanted to get that on the record.
Also, I don’t believe we’re mocking consumer protection laws — I totally agree the restaurant should’ve given Professor Edelman his $4 back, and maybe thrown in a free order of Peking Ravioli or Crab Rangoon — we’re mocking douchecanoes who use their big, shiny credentials to throw their weight around. The $4 would’ve meant something to your theoretical Walmart-shopping immigrant; to an HBS prof, not so much.
(Although I am totally expecting the Professor to dig himself a little deeper by giving us details of his crippling student debt, the high costs of living in Brookline, and possibly his small childrens’ future educational expenses.)
Roger Moore
@Omnes Omnibus:
Only if this is followed by mysterious kidnappings that wind up with them delivered to the front door of the ICC.
SiubhanDuinne
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Fixed.
Culture of Truth
Shockingly, Anthony Romero is another in a long line who tv-time seekers who got on tv tonight to treat Obama like his flunky, demand Obama pardon all torturers, or else “Obama is mumbling.” I know, recover from your shock.
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: I didn’t note that anyone who took that deal would be strongly advised to never leave the USA again. A confession to war crimes/crimes against humanity in the public record does deter the travel bug.
SiubhanDuinne
@Tree With Water:
Didn’t it take her a week or more to react to Ferguson? I’m thinking we might get a carefully-crafted response to Torture Inc. ’round about New Year’s Eve.
Keith G
@Culture of Truth: Wow, he had the temerity to actually treat Obama as his flunky?
I missed it. How did that play out?
joel hanes
@Omnes Omnibus:
but band?
Marching bands and football are not all there is to bands.
To some of us, they’re not even an important part of the universe of bands.
I truly hope you enjoy the following as much as I enjoyed playing them
(not in the Eastman or Tokyo, but in a fine symphonic band)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzTpJNLq-b4
(Can’t find Fennell/Eastman doing all of this, so had to settle)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1vBTTbYlss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gha6Qx4fF9w
Hi, ef! I know you love the Holst too.
joel hanes
Comment in moderation because it contains three links to superb music made by bands.
smintheus
When exactly did you imagine Michael Hayden told the truth about something?
Omnes Omnibus
@smintheus: That’s a lie.
Omnes Omnibus
@joel hanes: Some of us may have been poking fun.
joel hanes
@Omnes Omnibus:
Some of us play other parts in this-here ensemble.
Tonight, I’m appearing as “the ingenuous goat”
smintheus
@Omnes Omnibus: This remains my favorite Michael Hayden line:
Omnes Omnibus
@joel hanes: Better that than the clever sheep.
@smintheus: There you have it, a statement from Hayden that is true. Just not in the way he intended.
smintheus
@Omnes Omnibus: Have to admit, it is true.
Death Panel Truck
@efgoldman: In my high school, the band WAS the orchestra. I played second trumpet in both. I have no fond memories of orchestra, but we had good times drinking and smoking weed on the bus en route to and from the Spokane Lilac Festival parade every spring in the late 1970s. Yes, good times indeed.
TriassicSands
No penalty is great enough for the Chinese restaurant and its owner. It’s hard to imagine a worse crime than an out-of-date website with incorrect prices. Even genocide pales by comparison. It will be only fair if when Edelman completes his righteous legal crusade he owns the restaurant and succeeds in having the restaurant’s owner (and his family) deported and forced to return to China. Let the punishment fit the crime. If it weren’t for principled lawyers like Edelman this country wouldn’t be half as great as it is. He deserves a Presidential Medal of Freedom.
SFAW
@Southern Beale:
Significantly off topic, but:
Pitzer! A friend’s kid is thinking about going there (if he gets in, of course). Before he told me, I had never heard of it. (Claremont, sure, but not Pitzer itself.) At the risk of asking for a War and Peace response, what can you tell me about it? Basically, the significant pros and cons.
Thanks!
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Standard disclaimer (not a lawyer, etc.)
But it seems to me that Ran Duan (or the restaurant) was not rep’ed by counsel at the time that Edelman made the statement. In fact, one could argue that Edelman was acting as a complaining customer, not a “legal” representative of said wronged customer. Couching it in terms of being a lawyer-who-can’t-talk-to-non-pettifoggers, at the point where he did, would imply that any lawyer who complains about poor service (or whatever) to a store owner (or whatever) would not be allowed to talk to anyone but that store’s lawyer.
beergoggles
Just because they’re a mom n pop shop they should not have to follow the law about honoring advertised prices?
I would be pissed if the place I order takeout from would charge me extra because of their laziness in updating their menu.
But that doesn’t mean the lawyer in this case isn’t a giant douchecanoe.
Redleg
This is just another example of an elite institution (Harvard) hiring it’s own graduates instead of hiring from a broader labor market. Most good state university B-Schools are at least willing to hire faculty from other universities. It is quite common, at least in B-Schools, for the elites to hire only their own, with the occasional hiring of a person from another elite school. The rest of us state school schlubs have to actually go out on the open market and compete for work at universities. Now I gotta get back to my grading or my students will feel completely lost.
trnc
@efgoldman:
Something more to fill his time, yes. Molding more lawyers (via greater teaching load) – god, I hope not.
Kerry Reid
Hope Edelman likes the taste of shit and spit in his food. Because now that every restaurant in America knows who he is…
Kerry Reid
IANAL, but there’s this which suggests that Edelman is wrong in several particulars of the law he cites