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It STILL doesn’t feel like Friday. The mister and I are parked in the tiki bar enjoying a glass of merlot. (Well, he has beer; the merlot is mine.)

It’s uncommonly warm — 70s even now that the sun has gone down and supposed to be in the 80s again tomorrow. It’s the warmest holiday season I can ever remember in Florida. Thanks, Koch Bros!

My godless heathen teen is attending a church youth group function with a friend. I told her I didn’t have a problem with that as long as she didn’t come home with a crate of snakes and babbling in an unknown tongue.

What are y’all up to?

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  1. 1.

    shelley

    Enjoying a glass of Woodbridge Chardonnay, myself. Yup, thinking of getting back into the workaday routine and ….here’ s the weekend already!
    ************
    It’s been a warmish season in the Northeast here , but compared to last winter, I ain’t complaining.

  3. 3.

    satby

    Hot chocolate with gingerbread peeps, tastes like Mexican cocoa a bit.

    My soap kerfluffle and rebatch has left me with (sigh) 24 bars of soap that aren’t sale worthy, though they’re fine to use. Some people do all that on purpose because they like a really rustic homemade look but I’m not one of them. It’s going to take 3 weeks for them to harden up all the way too. What a pain.

  4. 4.

    elmo

    On my second glass of Carnivor Cab, which is my new favorite inexpensive go-to. It’s nearly 7 pm, and the service tech who was supposed to come by and check my boiler still isn’t here, and the agency says he will come tonight whenever he gets done with his previous call. I stayed home from work to make sure I’d be here.

    Not complaining about the staying home from work part, tho. I get more done in my home office anyway.

    Will probably finish out Dr. Who tonight or tomorrow night, after starting the series on Christmas Eve. My wife was obsessed with it, but I never started until then. Now I understand. But Matt Smith is such a disappointment after David Tennant!

  6. 6.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    Not much at all. I’m sort of preparing my presentation to 4 year psych residents about stigma around brain disorders (mental illness) and how they as MDs can help combat that.

    @satby: You’d mentioned earlier wanting to try some new ideas. Would you like to try a couple of my old recipes? They do have palm and PKO (they are nearly 10 yrs old) – and castor for big showy bubbles! – so you may need to up the coconut for enough hardness, or add some stearic instead.

  7. 7.

    West of the Cascades

    Enjoying the warm Oregon afterglow of the Ducks’ beatdown of FSU, looking forward to the National Championship in a bit more than a week!

  10. 10.

    cmorenc

    I just finished a vigorous hour-long workout at the Y, took a steambath and a shower, and now I’m back home sipping apple cider laced with three dashes of Tabasco Sauce. Gives it a nice zip. Later maybe a quiet night at home with a beer – wife is working tonight delivering babies.

  12. 12.

    jharp

    I am savoring the Ohio State win.

    An amazing game. On par with the win over Miami to win the 2003 National Championship.

    And I was lucky enough to be at that one.

  14. 14.

    jharp

    @Betty Cracker:

    I see the Ducks are favored by 7 1/2 points.

    After the beat down Ohio put on the best team in the country I would take Ohio. Oregon is very good no doubt. But Florida State isn’t.

  15. 15.

    Betty Cracker

    @jharp: Beat down? It was a seven point win. A great victory, no doubt, and all credit to the Buckeyes. But 59-20 — now THAT’s a beat down!

  16. 16.

    Peale

    New Years cleaning is taking longer than expected. I now need to disassemble the treadmill that was part of a New Years five years ago. Paid 1,500 for it then. Payin $120 for someone to haul it away.

  17. 17.

    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)

    Lifted free weights for the first time in years (since I blew a disc)
    Did dead lifts and squats, and an easy 30 minutes of hill repeats on the treadmill.

    It was a good day.

  19. 19.

    Linnaeus

    I’m drinking the remainder of the Christmas ale and waiting for my dad to give up the television, since I’ll be back home in two days and won’t have the benefit of HD.

  22. 22.

    SWMBO

    Years ago a Fox news watching friend asked me what religion I am. I told her I was a heathen. My grandmother used to call us in from the rain saying, “You heathens get in here!” I told her my grandmother would never lie to us, so we were all heathens. There are three branches of heathenism, similar to the three branches of Judaism. There’s Reformed. A Reformed Heathen is deeply conflicted and needs therapy. There’s Conservative. They just need a drink. And then there’s the third branch of Heathenism. “Orthodox?”, she asked. Nope. Unorthodox. Ask anyone who knows me and they’ll tell you I’m a little unorthodox. “Unorthodox Heathen. It fits you somehow.”

  24. 24.

    danielx

    After another five hours wrestling with installation of a Dryerbox*, enjoying a serious Irish coffee made with freshly ground dark roast, brown sugar, fresh whipped cream and Black Bush. Coming up: fire in the fireplace and whatever leftovers are edible or available to be thawed out.

    *Worth the effort, but god what an utter pain in the ass.

  25. 25.

    brendancalling

    Eating pork schnitzel with the boy, drinking my new favorite session beer, Genesee Beer, bracing for the ten hour drive to bring him back to Montreal, and listening to classic country on 107.3 WRDV.

    And, yes I called Genesee my new favorite session beer, up there with PBR. If I want something light, I’m not spending craft beer prices on it.

  27. 27.

    Keith G

    @jharp: It’s been a sweet season for a team that has had more than a few gut checks. The young men of the team are fun to watch. They are joyful yet serious and without a sense of entitlement that is so easy to develop at that level.

    I wonder where Betty’s negativity for them springs from?

    Speaking of the incomparable Mrs. Cracker

    My godless heathen teen is attending a church youth group function with a friend.

    My gran pap had an observation of youth meetings of the Christian devout:

    Souls saved ….and babies made.

  28. 28.

    Turgidson

    Going home, then lying on the floor in various somewhat-uncomfortable contortions that are meant to mitigate my New Year’s surprise – a bout of sciatica currently cruising down my left leg and forcing me to hobble around like someone thrice my age.

  29. 29.

    Howard Beale IV

    I’ve been gorging on Youtube documentaries on leopards. We need to import them here.

  31. 31.

    Poopyman

    @elmo: Carnivore Cab is my dealer’s wine o’ the week, but I didn’t get to the tasting today because I evidently caught Baud’s crud.

  32. 32.

    Roger Moore

    @Keith G:

    I wonder where Betty’s negativity for them springs from?

    I suspect that the “negativity” is just questioning the claim that Ohio dominated Alabama. Yes, they won, and against a very strong opponent, but it’s hard to say they dominated when the outcome was in doubt on the final play.

  34. 34.

    sparrow

    Made a gluten-free chocolate gingerbread today, it was AWESOME but would have been even awesomer if I had taken it out 5 minutes earlier (I’ve really, really got to learn to trust when my nose says something is done, whatever the recipe says). Fortunately my SO has an affinity for bitter tastes so he’s getting all the burnt crusts.

  37. 37.

    Keith G

    @Roger Moore: I was referring to a season’s worth of commentary.

    A thunderstorm is rolling into downtown Houston with the type of long rumbling thunder that I associate with spring and summer.

    It’s a different world.

  38. 38.

    burnspbesq

    Sweating out a crazy-ass set of United delays. The kid is supposed to be on a 7:35 p.m. flight from SFO to Heathrow to go back to school, and at 5:45 he’s still on the ground at LAX.

  40. 40.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Yatsuno: There is a cougar* living in the woods just north of my home town.

    *The mountain lion type of cougar, not the woman of a certain age or WSU types. Although, to be fair, I don’t know where the cat went to school.

  41. 41.

    Betty Cracker

    @Keith G: My kid is queer, so no worries on that score, thank bloody FSM.

    As for OSU, half of Ohio seems to have migrated to FL, so I’ve been listening to their whining since 2007 or so, and it has become tiresome. I used to be utterly indifferent to the Buckeyes and even favorably disposed to Urban Meyer since I have fond memories of his tenure in Gainesville, but now, thanks to the legions of butt-hurt Buckeyes I encounter in my daily life, I hope Oregon beats them like a rented mule.

  45. 45.

    Josie

    @efgoldman: I don’t know who from the Big 12 you are referring to. The only whining I read about from the Big 12 was from Art Briles. I have to admit I was not sorry to see him lose. The one who deserved to whine was Patterson of TCU, and he never said one word. His team, however, proved that they deserved a better ranking by playing their hearts out.

  46. 46.

    Tree With Water

    There’s an episode of Law & Order on now in which Jerry Orbach aka Lenny Briscoe is a defense attorney. Lenny as a stinking lawyer! I thought I’d seen all the episodes, but obviously I haven’t. I am nearly as surprised as when I first learned Orbach was a song and dance man. It didn’t seem right somehow. On the other hand, he may have only been a make-believe TV cop, but he was one of the greats. Right up there with Columbo in my book… maybe a tier lower.

  47. 47.

    burnspbesq

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    He’ll be fine. If he misses his non-stop, United will most likely put him on a red-eye to either Newark or Dulles with a connection there. And now that he’s 21, he’ll just drink if he gets stuck at SFO for a while.

    I just hope he remembers to keep his AT&T SIM card in his phone if he gets stuck at SFO. O2’s roaming charges are American in size.

  49. 49.

    Violet

    Having lobster tails for dinner. They were on sale. It’s raining and miserable out so going to watch a movie. Have been doing a jigsaw puzzle I got for Christmas. I love jigsaw puzzles so I’m enjoying working on it.

  50. 50.

    lamh36

    It’s 60 here in NOLA too. I think it’s supposed to last the weekend?

    Right now though, I watching Pacific Rim on one of the cable premiums…Idris Elba with his British accent, Charlie Hunnam buff body without the SOA beard and scruff…what’s not to like.

    I liked it so much, I made this pic of Idris Elba “suited up” for battle as my laptop background.

    Idris Elba – Pacific Rim

  51. 51.

    dmbeaster

    Loved the Oregon beat down of FSU. Grew up in Ohio and was a Boy Scout usher for Buckeye home games in their 1968 championship season. Rooting for Oregon but happy for both teams.

  52. 52.

    Keith G

    @Betty Cracker: That must be a peculiar pathology found south of the St. Mary’s River. Maybe its something in the water. Up North, we exuded a quiet confidence.

  53. 53.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Omnes Omnibus: As a non- alum resident, for the record, I’d like to state unequivocally that I do not like Ohio State. Intensely, I do not like them.

  57. 57.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): As an Ann Arbor native, let me congratulate you on your taste. As someone who now bleeds Maroon and Gold, let me also preempt any, “I don’t like Michigan, either,” comments by saying that that, too, would raise my estimation of you.

    Bastards need a women’s ice hockey team.

  58. 58.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Tree With Water: Jerry was one of the greatest song-and-dance men. He was the first El Gallo in The Fantasticks, the longest running musical ever, and the original Billy Flynn in Chicago, among many credits.

  61. 61.

    Bonnie

    @jharp: Florida State plays in the weakest conference in the country. But, don’t discount Oregon so quickly. I think Ohio State is lacking the defense needed to be effective against the Oregon offense. And, Alabama was not the best team in the country; they were just ranked that. Oregon is and has been the best team in the country all season.

  64. 64.

    Mike E

    @Brendan in Charlotte: We guzzled 12 Horse Ale in PA 35 years ago, back when everything had to be bought at the LCB store…or brown bagged at a bar.

    When I got to NC in the late 80s I was astounded over the option of picking up a tallboy at the gas station. What a country.

  65. 65.

    lamh36

    Back to Pacific Rim, I saw the movie originally in the theatres. This is the first ime I’ve watched it since then, and IMHO, it’s still pretty awesome. I know some people just wrote it off as Godzila w/Rock’em Sock’em Robots, but the fight sequences with the “robots” and the creatures were pretty EPIC.

  66. 66.

    Betty Cracker

    @Bonnie: I am so looking forward to the game! Gotta admit I’ve been face-palming in despair at the so-called analysis of it since yesterday though.

    One of the things I love about college ball — something that makes it distinct from the pros — is the role rivalries and heart, etc., play in the outcome. Who is the best team in the country? FUCKIFINO–ask Arizona and VTech. But the Ducks and the Bucks will settle it shortly, and that’s good enough for me.

  68. 68.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Betty Cracker: Is this one of the HateTheGays Christian churches or one of the PretendToLoveTheGaysButReallyHateThem Christian churches or the NotReallyChristian Christian churches?

  69. 69.

    lamh36

    @Baud: The effects really were great but I’m not surprised. Guillermo Del Toro is a damn fine SX director. I mean, Hellboy (I & II) and Pan’s Labyrinth…sci-fi fantasy SX is def his wheelhouse.

  71. 71.

    lamh36

    Reading on IMDB that there has been an annoucement of Pacific Rim 2 and Hellboy 3. Both movies I am really psyched for.

    Although Pacific Rim with no Idris???

  72. 72.

    raven

    Just watched “The Wind That Shakes the Barley”. I enjoyed Cillian Murphy in Peaky Blinders and he’s really good in this.

  76. 76.

    Mike E

    @lamh36: Wow, Hell Boy 3 could be a bit late with Ron Perlman…he’s a badass, but they’ll need extra SFX for this last one.

  77. 77.

    Tehanu

    @Tree With Water:
    The first time I ever saw Jerry Orbach was on the Ed Sullivan show and he sang “She Likes Basketball!” from Promises, Promises. I’d never heard of him up to then, and I’ve never forgotten it. Just saw him the other night in Crimes & Misdemeanors (which probably is Woody Allen’s best film because it’s almost the only one in which the Woody character is shown as a jerk instead of a hero) — and Orbach was wonderful in that too. So sad he’s gone.

    We just got home from seeing A Most Violent Year — not the kind of film I usually like, too gritty and urban and all that, but absolutely riveting and I’m in love with Oscar Isaac now!

  80. 80.

    lamh36

    @Tehanu: Loved L&O: The Original, but Jerry Orbach will always be Dr Houseman, Frances “Baby” Houseman’s father from Dirty Dancing…MY FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME!

  81. 81.

    Central Planning

    @brendancalling:

    my new favorite session beer, Genesee Beer

    Wow. Next you’ll tell us Utica Club tastes good too :)

    The missus and I have found a couple of new wines we like when out at dinner. The Rodney Strong merlot is quite tasty, as well as the Oberon Merlot. I haven’t found the Oberon Merlot at the 2 liquor stores I checked, but I did find an Oberon Cabernet Sauvignon which is quite tasty as well.

    They are a little pricy for us ($15-$18) but they do not seem to be giving us after-effects, if you know what I mean.

  82. 82.

    raven

    @Gin & Tonic: The ACC is OK, it’s not spectacular top-to-bottom but Clemson fucking destroyed the mighty Sooners and Georgia Tech ran through Mississippi State like crap through a goose. I think the PAC 10 and B1G are pretty weak too.

  83. 83.

    raven

    This will ignite ya’ll

    (CNN) — The police chief in an upscale community outside Atlanta said he was sleeping when he moved a gun in the bed and accidentally shot his wife in the back, according to a 911 tape released Friday.
    “Who shot her?” the 911 operator asked William McCollom, the police chief in Peachtree City, Georgia.
    “Me,” McCollom replied.
    “How did you shoot her?”

    “The gun was in the bed, I went to move it, put it to the side, and it went off,” McCollom said.

  86. 86.

    CaseyL

    @efgoldman: I dunno. I wonder how many of those “accidents” really are accidents, and how many of them are lightning-bolt homicidal impulses the person regrets immediately afterward.

  87. 87.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @raven: Why did he need a gun in the bed? Why was it loaded with a round chambered, and the hammer cocked (alternatively, if it was a revolver, why was it loaded and cocked)? Is his bedroom that dangerous? I have more questions, but they start to use expletives.

  88. 88.

    RobertDSC (Quad Intel Mac)

    I’m watching Orphan Black episodes while trying to recover from some kind of flu bug.

  90. 90.

    Botsplainer

    Sleepy, up since 3 am – wife flew out and is headed for Myanmar. Running Goldfinger out of nostalgia.

  91. 91.

    Gin & Tonic

    @efgoldman: I think one of the reasons I’ve stayed married so long is I’ve never shot my wife in the back. Accidentally or otherwise.

  99. 99.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @raven: I remember that. An odd claim, I thought. Still, the police chief – WTF?

    I’m waiting for my RWNJ sister in law to shoot her husband or vice versa. They’re askeered of something and keep a handgun in the bedroom. She has mentioned that it’s on the nightstand when he’s out of town.

    They are idiots, but they’d best do something else with the gun when 23 year old son who lives with them gets out of the joint. Where he’s doing 2 years for viewing illegal photos. Probably sending them on, as well, but he got a break in charging selection.

    @satby: Do you want me to send them through your shop contact?

  100. 100.

    PurpleGirl

    @Tehanu: That Law & Order with Jerry Orbach as a lawyer was from early in the series before they tapped him to be Lennie Briscoe. And yes, he was a very fine singer. I saw Crimes and Misdemeanors because he was in it. Another actor in an early show who was later tapped for a steady role was S. Epatha Merkerson. Her first role was as a mother whose son is shot by mistake.

  102. 102.

    lamh36

    Whoa!

    @Nightline 30s31 seconds ago
    JUST IN: Ky. State Police: 7-year-old girl walks up to man’s home, says she was involved in a plane crash; 4 found dead in wreckage – @ABC

  105. 105.

    satby

    I’ve been working my way through the Foyle’ s War series on Acorn TV (Roku channel, all British stuff). I missed them when they were shown on PBS, and they’re really enjoyable.

  106. 106.

    trollhattan

    IPAs and Korean beef-n-sweet potato fries burritos (yeah, I know) at the local nanobrewer and now the Huskies and Oklasomebodies with an ’04 Amador Country syrah. No complaints other than the score.

  107. 107.

    ruemara

    make potachos (homemade potato chips as nachos) and writing a letter to my roommate. He and his girlfriend returned the evening of the first and she’s been here ever since. It was amazing to me how pleasant it was to have no one around for a few days. My entire being changed by day 2.I was hoping the intense need for togetherness would be abated since they were with his family for over a week and/or some level of empathy and understanding would allow them to know they need to give me some space from her constant presence, but, no. I hate having to make a confrontation with someone I’m living with, but damn, I can’t do another 15 – 20 day spree of her being here.

  108. 108.

    PurpleGirl

    @satby: Yeah, that was one L&O: Criminal Intent. He played a man who was forging documents and artifacts of “saint”.

    @efgoldman: Yes, I always liked how they reused actors in different roles and in different series. If you’re observant you can actors in other series in their early L&O roles. It made for an interesting experience watching the show.

  111. 111.

    ruemara

    @PurpleGirl: I’ve been wondering if she moved in sometime in November and he forgot to tell me. Or ask. It doesn’t matter, based on California law, she’s a resident. Legally, I can sue her for back rent & utilities from December 2013, where I had the first conversation with him about her 15 day straight stay in our place.They’re both really young and rude and lacking in sensitivity.

    @trollhattan: I can do it on my kindle

  116. 116.

    eemom

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You may have been in Virginia too long.

    That I have, and my usage of “y’all” is, of course, an embarrassment and mortification to the NYC birthplace which is the fundament and essence of my entire existence.

    That being said, however, I offer the following affirmative defenses: (1) I’ve lived in this godforsaken wasteland for 24 years now; (2) it is actually TRUE, as Virginia native eedad has insisted all these years, that there is no satisfactory alternative to “y’all” as a plural form.*

    * “youse” is icky and ignorant. “Y’all” is not. Don’t know why, just is.

  118. 118.

    burnspbesq

    Kid made his connection, and is somewhere over Wyoming. Flight is taking a very southerly route for some reason; no circle route via Greenland and Iceland, but a long reach over water from Newfoundland to Ireland.

  119. 119.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @eemom:

    “youse” is icky and ignorant. “Y’all” is not.

    Exactly why y’all is the plural. My family knew that, even in the hollers (KY). It always made my NYC born dad laugh when I used it. Still do.

  120. 120.

    burnspbesq

    @eemom:

    Y’all is singular and plural, masculine, feminine, and neuter. It’s a floor wax and a dessert topping. It is the single greatest achievement the South has ever achieved (Brunswick stew is a distant second, and perverting the academic processes of an entire university to keep football and basketball players eligible is an even more distant third), and there is zero chance that it will ever be beaten.

  121. 121.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    I sold another story. It’s to a semipro publication and the proprietor is hoping that he’ll have the money to publish the next issue next December. So it will be a wait before it shows up. I should make about $100 on it, and I can convert some of it to additional writer’s copies of the magazine.

    And I’ve picked out a cover design for the novel. It needs a bit more work to be finished, but I like it a lot.

  123. 123.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @raven: I’d take the top of the Big 10 (OSU; MSU; Wisconsin) or the top of the Pac 12 (Oregon; UCLA; Arizona) over the top of the ACC (FSU; Clemson; Duke). I’d take the bottom of the Big 10 over the bottom of the ACC (remember that Indiana beat Missouri) though the middle of the ACC might be better than the middle of the Big 10. The middle of the Pac 12 is definitely stronger than the middle of the ACC.

    I think there’s a pretty obvious hierarchy of the power five conferences in football: SEC; Pac 12; Big 12; Big 10; ACC.

  124. 124.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    I am in the process of building a realtime kernel for my Ubuntu Studio distro because I am determined to get better than 21 msec of latency on my supposedly-hot-shit audio interface. Determined.

    That’s if the goddamned jack server will even decide to start up (so far, it hasn’t). It works, for a while, then decides to go on strike, Then it decides it will work, but only with 42 msec of latency (no good for recording). Then it stops working altogether again.

    I’ve never had to custom-build a kernel before. It takes a while. And I can’t tell you the kind of warm fuzzies I get when I see various warnings scroll by.

    I should go to bed, but I need to finish this because if I don’t I’ll flush all that working state and won’t know where to pick it up in the morning, meaning I’ll screw something up and have to start all over again.

  125. 125.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m just waiting for the check. The difference between a semipro and pro publication isn’t just the difference in pay rates; it’s that being published in professional journals counts towards qualifying for membership in the Science Fiction Writers of America and semipro ones don’t and I’d like to get the membership at some point.

  127. 127.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    @eemom:

    there is no satisfactory alternative to “y’all” as a plural form

    ‘Round here, “y’all” can be either singular or plural; “all y’all” is unambiguously plural.

  128. 128.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @burnspbesq: You are precisely correct that y’all is an all purpose pronoun. Therein lies a great deal of its charm.

  134. 134.

    eemom

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I will also mention that tea is a hot beverage, damn it.

    Aha!! An admission of the fact that ordering “tea” in a restaurant south of the Mason-Dixon line is inherently ambiguous in that regard….which means you must have actually been here, at some point.

    Y’all come see us again soon, hear?

  135. 135.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @eemom: Tea is a hot beverage. The fact that a rather retrograde part of the country sees it differently doesn’t convince me anymore than state’s rights arguments do.

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